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Developing Apps for WM2003SE Phone Edition

Hi everybody,
I'm a newbie and ask therefore a newbie question! What do I precisely need from M$ to develop applications for my Magician and similars?
My list is:
1)eVC 4.0 (latest SP)
2)WM2003SE SDK (for Smartphones or for PocketPC??)
am I right here? where is the simulator?
Thanks

you're right
and the sim is inside Vc

SDK for PPC; smartphones is only for smartphones!
If you can get it, "MSDN" is also useful to install, but it's all available online easily enough.
V

OpenMoko on QTEKS200

Hi! I'm a user of a QTEKS200, with Windows Mobile 5.0
And I find this new OS for SmarthPhone
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
And I'm asking if somebody knows, how to boot this Linux Distribution on my S200.
If somebody know something, just tell in this forum!

You can't.
Since the hardware drivers for WM based devices like your S200 are part of the ROM image and tightly packed along with the OS, unless someone goes to the great trouble of reverse engineering them and recompiling for this new platform, there is no way your phone will run this OS.
Plus, from what I see on their site this is not a generic distribution, but like other embedded OSs a device specific version.

guillemhs said:
And I'm asking if somebody knows, how to boot this Linux Distribution on my S200.
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First, this distribution is not available. Second, the Prophet has omap850 CPU
which is a PITA to support with Linux because it is completely undocumented.

Which languages for WM devices?

I come from years of Symbian PDA owning/development, and I had several languages available, besides C++: OPL (Basic-like), PersonalJava, J2ME, MidletPascal, Python, Jython, m-Shell... all of them for FREE!
What are the alternatives on a WM machine? Can I only develop in C++, or have I some FREE alternatives?

do you mean languages or programming envioments ?
embedded visual studio is free if you mean envioments

Rudegar said:
do you mean languages or programming envioments ?
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both.
I just found info about the embedded visual studio you talk about. I see c++ allows API access,but VB cannot. Any workaround?
I also found WABA and EWE: for the first, site states "you can write native code by modifing WABA sources"; I guess it means writing additional C++ code?
for the second, it says it allows accessing native functions: does it mean you can use EWE to start/receive calls, send/receive SMS, access COM port,...?

The following languages/interpreters are used nicely on HTC Typhoon:
1. Jython 2.2 for Java 1.1.8 SE (along with Personal Java CE 1.1 and the JDK runtime/library);
2. Perl CE 5.8.0 from the Rainer-Keuchel portings;
3. nScriptm HPCARM 0.104 by Nakka/ S/K;
4. Rebol CE 1.5.5 by Carl Sassenrath.
An advanced application manager such as SPHelper is needed to solve the pointing device stuff ...
There is a Smartphone patch for Python CE from one of the developers at SF.net released in March I did not try yet, (perhaps someone interested will) ...

anfd said:
The following languages/interpreters are used nicely on HTC Typhoon:
1. Jython 2.2 for Java 1.1.8 SE (along with Personal Java CE 1.1 and the JDK runtime/library);
2. Perl CE 5.8.0 from the Rainer-Keuchel portings;
3. nScriptm HPCARM 0.104 by Nakka/ S/K;
4. Rebol CE 1.5.5 by Carl Sassenrath.
An advanced application manager such as SPHelper is needed to solve the pointing device stuff ...
There is a Smartphone patch for Python CE from one of the developers at SF.net released in March I did not try yet, (perhaps someone interested will) ...
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thanks, that's very interesting, especially Jython: Is Java 1.1.8 supported by all HTC devices?

Yupp, it sure is ... but Sun Microsystems stopped releasing it alltogether to the end user, R.I.P Personal Java (this was the actual compatibility with CE) ...
The link is:
isiam.blogspot.com (I`ve made it as described) ...

anfd said:
Yupp, it sure is ... but Sun Microsystems stopped releasing it alltogether to the end user, R.I.P Personal Java (this was the actual compatibility with CE) ...
The link is:
isiam.blogspot.com (I`ve made it as described) ...
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that blog is just the reason for which I asked about PersonalJava compatibility
I use PJ compatible PDAs since several years (SonyEricsson p800, Motorola a1000...), and I'd like to continue being able to use PJ applications even when I'll pass to Windows PDA!

I guess you can add Python CE v2.5 to that list as well now ...
It`ll be working fine on every single WM version existing, although I did not test`em all:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pythonce/PythonCE.WM.CAB?modtime=1191509518&big_mirror=0

Google's Android on Magician !

Hi all,
Just read an artice on the hack of Google's impressive Android mobile OS. Hackers have used files from the emulator and installed the OS on some Linux phones. I was just thinking that there was a post on this forum saying that Linux could be Installed on Magician. Also Android uses Linux's kernal. So why not give Android a try. Would be great to use the new Android on Magician.
Any clues on how to proceed with the Installation ?

Is it really? I listen about porting on only Linux-PDA but Magican isn't Linux-PDA.

Of course, Android can run on the Magician, BUT never forget that you need drivers for the device - even for Linux!
And that's the problem: if you don't have any information about the chipset etc you will need month or even years to develop them.
If you want to run Linux on the Magician, there is already a project which try to develop drivers for Linux. Last time I read from their progress Linux runs on the Magician with the possibility to use the phone (but no GPRS)...
Use the search if you are interested;-)

Melkor said:
If you want to run Linux on the Magician, there is already a project which try to develop drivers for Linux. Last time I read from their progress Linux runs on the Magician with the possibility to use the phone (but no GPRS)...
Use the search if you are interested;-)
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It is http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician , isn't it?

So If Linux can be installed, then Android can also be installed. Because it supports all Linux compatible devices according to the hack.
For the DRIVER part, pls check the official Android website-
http://code.google.com/android/
and let us know. Waiting for your reply...
Thanks!

Peoples - a hve WORKING linux on my HTC magician.
name is Angstorm with GUi OpenMoko.
Work - tochscreen,Sound,GSM,blootuth.
thet meens - drivers are exist and work

Can anybody say, where i can download Google's Androuid for ANY platform ?
I'm Find =) Android For Zaurus
it seems to me, For using rootfs on magician we mast change drivers in it
http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusAndroid
As me say one man, it takes compiling magican's drivers using Google android SDK.
Some useful links
Буржуйский форум -> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=158
ЗАУРУС -> http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/static.php?page=ZaurusAndroid
Cкрины -> http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/article/75516785.html
Angstrom на Qtek s110 -> http://grigio.org/howto_openmoko_htc_magic...dual_boot_wince
Немного о портировании для OMAP -> http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP
Sory for my English =)

does anyone know how to actually download the Android platform? regardless of phone model or drivers? or is it just included in the SDK and you gotta compile it yourself? If I can somehow get my hands on a copy of the image I'll probably end up spending the next 3 weeks trying to flash it natively into the ROM

The Android sources can found on this page: http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list

It is only kernel. Without drivers.

Found a new article for search on "Android on HTC", got this:
Android Kernel Found, Android on HTC Kaiser imminent
It says, that the kernal works only on MSM7200A chipset for now.
Take a look, link: http://fandroid.net/content/android-kernel-found-android-htc-kaiser-imminent

what i cannot understand is:
if there is an working linux kernel (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianXanadux) than android should be executable also!?
All necessary driviers shold be available.
So why should it be impossible to have a running android on a Magician?
cheers
aitsch
p.s.: the Magician is a very fast device. maybe android is running well on it.

UPDATE: Google has released a new version of Android, v0.9
Any updates on running Andriod on Magician ?
I could run Linux (Openmoko) successfully.

yea! Android 1.0 it very good
we need this

linux can run on a magician and u can use phone on it but no sms and it's full of bug's

Hi all,
I have tried to download the angstrom linux and follow the instruction from this site http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/....
but I always had kernel panic when start booting the linux, after then I found out the unzipping wasn't successful there is an error occurred during unzipping.
Does anyone ever encounter the error when unzipping? your help would be much appreciated. thank you
wayne

Hi everybody,
are there any news on running android on magican. Did anybody manage to get it running?

w00t!
I for one cannot wait to boot winCE on my Magician! Id love to put ANDROID on it! from what it looks like they are only 80% done!

I have opie II running on magician (http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/)
and it runs perfectly (except a little bug eith the menu).
And here is a list what works in linux (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician)so android should work

header2k said:
I have opie II running on magician (http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/)
and it runs perfectly (except a little bug eith the menu).
And here is a list what works in linux (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Magician)so android should work
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Interesting, I'll take a look! What are the bugs you personally notice?

[Q] test roms on emulator

Hi,
I would like to test the roms I can find here, on an emulator.
for that, I will need something like the SDK for the Acer tablet A500.
(to build my AVD)
I can't find it. anyone have an idea where I can find it ?
thanks
Olivier

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+sdk

ah ah ah . so fun )
unfortunatly, it is not provided by google !
I know well the android SDK, I am talking about a small part which is sometime provided by constructor in order to help the developper to build application with android SDK.
for example, Sony provides the SDK part for some of its device. it has to be added to the android SDK.
I think it could comes from Acer, or developer who has it because they are working near or far from this (in the same way, the Leak comes from someone which is near from developer team)
I am still looking for that.
thanks
Olivier

Im totally confused as to what you are looking for.. If its reference sdk from acer . They have not provided this.. I think its something they provide to google then google adds it to the sdk. or acer will provide a repo to add to your sdk.
now here is what setup i have..
1 download the sdk tools from developer.android.com/sdk i think is the url (use search )
2. download eclipse (there is a link on the developer.android.com site)
3 download the correct FULL Java library abe sure to read the requirements on the version of eclipse you use for what jave version you need )
4 Read read READ .. Read the how to install sdk development environment in Eclipse for your EXACT OS . Pay close attention to every detail. like is is x86 x64 and so on.
5 Follow the instructions word for word on again the install and setup for android development platform for your OS Version.
This is what i use as well as CYGWIN (this is for advanced users) As well as there are other tools that make developing much easier. YES IM NEW TO all of this as well.But have learned alot over the last year.
The above only gets you ready. Once you get to this point . KEEP . WELL YOU KNOW THIS Part already KEEP READING.. in a few weeks you will on your way.
GOOD LUCK developer.android.com has everything your asking and beyond.
If any of the above is incorrect Blame it on developer.android.com or the mighty thor. god of the universe..