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learn to make program.

good day!
can anybody please tell me what to use and how to make a program for a PPC?
i just want to learn.
thanks a lot.

- Microsoft eMbedded Visual c++ 4.0 (IDE)
- Microsoft PPC 2003 SDK
Thats for c++ development. Can also do VB if you like.
A device for testing is handy as well... and some patience.

or visual studio 2003 .net if you want to do .net applications
here are some links to pocketpc code examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21786&highlight=today+plugin

Perhaps the best tool to make PPC apps is NsBasic http://www.nsbasic.com/ce/

development environment?

hi
i was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of some decent but free development tools for wm5
thanks

embedded visual c++
you can also get free compilers like gcc and a .net compiler which run on the pocketpc itself
but it's hardly en ide

Depends on what language you want to code. For instance I couldn't find a decent assembly IDE yet (free or not). For C++/C# (managed and unmanaged) VS2005 is probably still the best. And the epxress versions can be obtained for free. Integration of embedded stuff would have to be done manually, I guess.

well i prefer programming in c/c++ so are there any free tools/IDEs for it?
don't i have to pay for embedded vc++ or is there a free version that lets me program for wm5?

oh and i downloaded the express c++ but when i want to instal the wm5 sdk it tells me it needs visual studio 2005

PSPad is awsome, and free.
Regards,
Jason

hey thanks for the reply but that's not for windows mobile 5 development
i really need something free for windows mobile 5 development
if anyone could help i would appreciate it
thanks

Ok little clarification:
a) You don't need WM5 SDK to develop apps that will run on WM5 and use its special features. You will just have to work a little harder and use LoadLibrary and GetProcAdress for functions not supported in WM2003. Also you can manually unpack the SDK installation and use the binaries and header files (this is VJ's advice I have yet to test it).
b) There is no version of eVC for WM5 because MS switched to Visual Studio. The express version does not support mobile development in any way. I always use eVC 4 this not only works fine for WM5 apps but also insures backward compatibility and saves me keeping two separate projects for one app.

I agree with levenum, as ever.
You don't NEED VS2005 if you're only developing in C++ (which you should be). I don't think VS2005 offers enough over EVC for me to spend a gazillion $$ on it as a hobby programmer. However, you can get VS2005 on trial for free from MS if you feel the need to try it out.
Also - EVC only requires a small number of mbs of space (great to stick on a USB). VS2005 is > 1gb from memory
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thank you for your replies
i will do as you suggested
thanks

one last question:
does anyone know if there is an SDL sdk for wm5?
if not then any links to wm5 programming tutorials?

wajih.boukaram said:
one last question:
does anyone know if there is an SDL sdk for wm5?
if not then any links to wm5 programming tutorials?
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Regards,
Jason

Hi,
There is an open source IDE for .net that supports (v2.2.1 only) the compact framework 2.0 : http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/.
I'm using it for windows coding and it's a very good soft.
Regards,
Imer

want to start ppc programming !

Hello people. I see lot of you make very nice programs for ppc's, so now also want to try with it. I have experiences in programming windows application with JAVA and C# (.NET using visual studio).
But if i want to programming for windows mobile, which software do i need to use, and can anyone give me some beginner guide? I preferred to work with C# or JAVA.
Thanks in advance.
Kay.

KayDK said:
Hello people. I see lot of you make very nice programs for ppc's, so now also want to try with it. I have experiences in programming windows application with JAVA and C# (.NET using visual studio).
But if i want to programming for windows mobile, which software do i need to use, and can anyone give me some beginner guide? I preferred to work with C# or JAVA.
Thanks in advance.
Kay.
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You can use Visual Studio 2005 to develop in C#.
You can use EWE (www.ewesoft.com) to develop in Java.
You can use the (free) Microsoft C# compiler itself and compile using the GAC libraries on your device (take a look at this topic).
You can use eMbedded Visual C++ or eMbedded Visual Basic, but I think it's better to use C# if possible.
As you see, there are many choices.
If you have experience with C#, however, I suggest you to start using Visual Studio 2005 and move to the C# compiler (if you have licensing problems) after you learnt the differences between the .NET Framework and the .NET Compact Framework. This way you can benefit of a RAD environment such as Visual Studio while using your knowledge of C#.
If you want more specific information about some WM-specific features, just check the Internet. I think the most important features are the PIM (and, consequently, the Pocket Outlook Object Model also known as POOM), the Comm Manager and the SIP (Soft Input Panel... the virtual keyboard). Should you need to interact with ActiveSync you should also check the Remote API (RAPI) of Windows CE.
The MSDN Library is also a great reference if you need information about Windows Mobile API's. When you'll need to use these API's into C#, take a look at www.pinvoke.net.

Newbie Guide to C++

I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?

ronschaefer said:
I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
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WHAT kind of applications you are trying to write?
Do you need to write a device driver for your PDA?

ronschaefer said:
I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
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You should be able to do it with visual studio and the emulator, im not 100% sure though, I only know a limited amount of Java.
Most phones support .net/C#/Java, so pick a language

What I want to write
Just some fun stuff =
One idea I had is a generic sound simulator, tie buttons to different sound - .wav files; animal sounds, machine sounds, phasor blasts, drum kit, theme music like - http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/illuminated/a5bf/
I want to have it look nice too with decent graphics.

i suggest to use Visual Studio 2005 or 2008.
It's simplest way to start (and continue) to write programs.
Both native and NET technologies are supported. C++ and C# available.
Both VS versions are coming with integrated Device Emulator with WM5(VS2005) and WM6(VS2008) images for PDA/PDAPhone/SP and remote debugger for real PDA/PDAPhone/SP devices.

If you are using VS2005/2008. Download the latest Windows Mobile 6 SDK (Standard and Pro) for the best Emulation.
Ta
Dave

but c# only works with .net
where c++ works with win32(native) microMFC(Native) and .net
more info can be found
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380069&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382995&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=226412&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336251&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305926&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302548&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=228043&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317913&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=237932&highlight=programming

yes, С# is for NET only. This language appeared together with NET technology as alternative to Java after breakup with SUN
C# is closer to BASIC than C++. I, personally, don't recommend C#. Ths "strange" language is for lazy people. Almost nothing left of C++ and its ideology.

Visual Studio 2008 Pro trial version
Thanks for you advice - i deleted all that embedded C++ stuff - was way too confusing, must have had like 8 programs installed and still was not working - I like the idea of just 3 things the visual studio and the 2 WM6 SDKs
Im going to try the visual studio 2008 - there is a trial version of it for 90 days
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/products/aa700831.aspx
Would i be better off with the 2005 version as Im using Xp not Vista on my main computer. Should I get the Try Visual Studio "Team System" 2008 - Trial Software or just stick with the regular one i downloaded?
I also downloaded the standard and professional WM6 SDKs
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...745-88EF-3D48091A390B&displaylang=en#filelist

I used embedded visual tools in the past (3 and 4). Be aware that you cannot use the WM5 SDK with eVC, you must use Visual Studio for that. The latest thing usable with eVC is the WM2003 SDK, as far as I know. Also, the emulator handling in eVC was quite sluggish and buggy. When I switched to VS2005, it was like a deliverance to me. Also, the help system in VS is a blessing. *g*
Though I used Delphi's VCL in the past, I would never freely touch such a thing on restricted hardware such as in PDAs. Hence, .NET, MFC and of course *cough* Java *cough* are out of the question. I'm a pure C++ writer. The progs are nicely small and fast. And there are always alternatives to the things I can't use because of that: for instance instead of MFC CStrings I got acquainted with STL library's strings. There's also ATL which supposedly can be used instead of MFC for GUI programming, but when I looked for it some years back I found only very little information about that.
Happy coding.

Is it true that you can only develop WinMo C++ in VS Pro?
I read on the Microsoft marketplace that the standard edition dosnt support mobiles..
are there any alternatives (C++ only please..)

yes they only support through pro... but you can get it for free through dreamspark if you are a student

joel2009 said:
yes they only support through pro... but you can get it for free through dreamspark if you are a student
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damn, I am a student but my uni isnt listed
I asked one of the admins and they are looking into getting on the list
But it might be too late coz its my last year..

Mic159 said:
damn, I am a student but my uni isnt listed
I asked one of the admins and they are looking into getting on the list
But it might be too late coz its my last year..
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Good news. My uni isn't listed either. It is a simple matter of verifying your student status on journey ed. I'm glad I could help with this because it turns out that I could get all the dreamspark software through my school's MSDNAA program anyways.

program/compilers for xda softwares

Ei, Anybody now what programs do programmer used to make softwares for windows mobile or for xda phones? like for example nokia its java..
tnx..

get visual studio 2008 it let you program in c# or c++
== best way to make native apps for windows mobile

Rudegar said:
get visual studio 2008 it let you program in c# or c++
== best way to make native apps for windows mobile
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Thnx bro. for the reply... Is there any other compiler/programs?

maybe you should look at mono not sure if they do compactframework too though
check it out
or embedded visual c++
or gcc compiler
all are free
or you could make java midlets like on symbian but they are a bit limited in the midlet managers on ppc though