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What next after the Uni goes to the grave?

Will yuo lot all get an HTC Omni?
I am thinking of it - I cannt go back to a norma phone now!
Even the tytn doesn't quite do it for me.
What do youse lot think?
lr

Well from what I understand, the Omni is still a concept...... So until I know specs, size etc I will reserve judgement. Altho the Tytn looks impressive I won't be runnning out to get one just yet. I was an early adopter for the PDA2k and the universal and don't relish the teething problems again.
That said, most software is WM5 compliant now and I have my uni running like a dream. As has been said before, I like both the form factor, VGA and the keyboard so will defo be interested if and whwn an omni materialise

well according to the dude in the know - the vp for mobile comms for micro$oft, it's the same form factor but thinner, lighter and with more h/ware buttons on it.
lol.
it can apparently output to a projecter too - tho that's nothing I imagime many users would cherish.
have a look on the mocado forums it's all on there...

little_rock said:
Will yuo lot all get an HTC Omni?
I am thinking of it - I cannt go back to a norma phone now!
Even the tytn doesn't quite do it for me.
What do youse lot think?
lr
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I went from the Uni to the g-Smart i128. Haven't looked back!!!

will take a look at the g smart..
lol you betrayer!
would u not go back to htc phone then?
why it the g smart so much better than the uni mate?
cheers,
lr

Gigabyte g-Smart i128
little_rock said:
will take a look at the g smart..
lol you betrayer!
would u not go back to htc phone then?
why it the g smart so much better than the uni mate?
cheers,
lr
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LR.,
I just love the size of it, it actually fits in my pocket! It's just as quick (albeit with a slightly slower processor) and I love the extra features that Gigabyte have supplied, such as answer phone, call recording, call background noises (great for pretending you're somewhere where you're not! ) and it's even got the gimicks of live analogue TV and Radio.
Gigabyte don't seem to offer good tech support, but if you've had one PPC... you'll know how they work. Also you get a spare high capacity battery, desktop charger, case, all as standard (With i128 version)
The screen is just as crisp, the speakers louder and clearer than the Uni.... I've started a thread about it here with more indepth info and pictures...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273825

The VGA screen and clamshell design is important for me. So if the new phone can't surpass or can't match what the Universal have, I won't even bother looking. A while back, there was another thread showing a little specs for the Omni and the first thing I noticed was there was no mention of a VGA screen and 3G, If that is true, then it is more of a downgrade than upgrade.

cktlcmd said:
The VGA screen and clamshell design is important for me. So if the new phone can't surpass or can't match what the Universal have, I won't even bother looking.
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Inclined to agree, woul also appreciate an improvement in battery life. I am fortunate, cause mine spend most of its life plugged into an active car cradle otherwise, I don't think I'd make it through the day!

Paul O'Brien, a Microsoft MVP and Admin of MoDaCo (which should give the following story some credibility) claims many HTC Universal's wishes have come true - HTC IS working on a Universal successor, a clamshell QWERTY phone device with a VGA screen. The device, code-named the HTC Omni, will be smaller and thinner, but sport more buttons.
It will have HSDPA, and will ship with AKU 3, which will allow projector functionality. Unfortunately one of the biggest requested improvements, a small external display, did not make it into the design.
Paul claims the design is still fluid, but if it is meant to ship at the end of '06 / early '07 this does not seem likely.
http://www.clieuk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?threadid=7826
Just in time for my next upgrade

Cheers slave this was a better version of my original post - lol mine was made from my uni on teeny tiny opera!

Charms said:
Inclined to agree, woul also appreciate an improvement in battery life. I am fortunate, cause mine spend most of its life plugged into an active car cradle otherwise, I don't think I'd make it through the day!
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I wouldn't recommend this, it's not good for the battery, it needs to drain down otherwise won't hold it's capacity as well.

The real Exec successor?

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/umpc/htc-omni-revealed-umpc+like-but-runs-windows-mobile-6-275023.php
I bought the Athena as it appeared that the Omni was going to be shelved, and part of the dry-soldering around my Exec's screen meant the touchscreen hardly worked.
But I'll say, if this comes out soon and it ends up being as good as it looks right now, i'll be ditchin this big-a$$ Ameo so damn fast...!!
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r you kidding me you think this is the real "Exec successor".... lol
lets look at the specs
no 8gb hard drive
smaller screen..... 4"
AND only 400MHZ - samsung processor..... puhlease
hey anton do you have an x7500

No way!!! This device is worse in every aspect, even thoug it looks a bit nicer.

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r you kidding me you think this is the real "Exec successor".... lol
lets look at the specs
no 8gb hard drive
smaller screen..... 4"
AND only 400MHZ - samsung processor..... puhlease
hey anton do you have an x7500
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well a smaller 4" screen with higher resolution....
a 400mhz samsung processor wich is as good as or better than 624 mhz intel processors...
did i mention it is pocketable and can be used as a PHONE

fallenczar said:
well a smaller 4" screen with higher resolution....
a 400mhz samsung processor wich is as good as or better than 624 mhz intel processors...
did i mention it is pocketable and can be used as a PHONE
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I fully agree with the 1st 2 statements, but "pocketabloe"?! Why, because of 10mm less in witdh?! used as a PHONE?! C'mon, both devices aren't suitable for use as a phone, unelss used with a BT headset. :-(
However, as a PDA device, they both deliver, but there is the storage issue, where the X7500 takes by far.

sorry falenczar but a 400mhz samsung in not better than a 624mhz intel.
and before you start with the whole "its not only about speed its also about design" the 400mhz is not designed better than the 624mhz. sorry

Spec wise I know it wouldn't be as good but thanks for the kind words irus. Yes I do have an x7500 - which is an Ameo...
But I'm tired of being unable to use the phone without a headset. The exec was big, but you could close the screen and use it as a normal phone and I didn't care about it being a bit big.

Anton.Valleyman said:
But I'm tired of being unable to use the phone without a headset. The exec was big, but you could close the screen and use it as a normal phone and I didn't care about it being a bit big.
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But only a 4" screen - everything would look just so....small!

Anton.Valleyman said:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/umpc/htc-omni-revealed-umpc+like-but-runs-windows-mobile-6-275023.php
I bought the Athena as it appeared that the Omni was going to be shelved, and part of the dry-soldering around my Exec's screen meant the touchscreen hardly worked.
But I'll say, if this comes out soon and it ends up being as good as it looks right now, i'll be ditchin this big-a$$ Ameo so damn fast...!!
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I think this phone may go head to head with the Universal but not the Athena. I probably would still go with the Universal though.

no such thing as a HTC Omni
this is only a joke. There is no HTC Omni, my friends in Taiwan told me so. So if you guys are still waiting for something that does not exist. Please wake up.. if u want a universal replacement, place an order for the Imate 7150.

Nice renders though. To bad we cant see it in an isometric view with a hand comparison.

It is a joke..no Omni

Whats the better phone??

Hey i have a few questions. I own a HTC TYTN and i'm looking for a new phone, and i'm not sure if i wanna get the X7501 or the Kaiser? What do you think?? size doesn't really matter to me. i'm just looking for the most functional phone. thanks for any help!!

get the htc x7500 if you know other people with cell phone that have a front cam. if not then get the x7501 but both r def better then the kaiser

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get the htc x7500 if you know other people with cell phone that have a front cam. if not then get the x7501 but both r def better then the kaiser
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Is that the only difference between the x7500 and x7501???

lino8419 said:
Hey i have a few questions. I own a HTC TYTN and i'm looking for a new phone, and i'm not sure if i wanna get the X7501 or the Kaiser? What do you think?? size doesn't really matter to me. i'm just looking for the most functional phone. thanks for any help!!
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Silly question to ask in an Athena forum! Given the Athena's size, if you're not sure you should read the many threads here on how wonderful it is.

The kaiser is a great phone if you are worried about size, The only drawback of the Athena is it's big - but that's because it has a massive screen.
It is the best 'device' just not as good as a phone. It depends what you want.

Confucious said:
The kaiser is a great phone if you are worried about size, The only drawback of the Athena is it's big - but that's because it has a massive screen.
It is the best 'device' just not as good as a phone. It depends what you want.
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confucious is right with regard to the size. i predominantly use my Athena as a standalone office and browsing gadget. i can remote desktop, watch films and even youtube (though i NEVER thought the day would come!). I Rarely/never use the athena as a phone as i cant be bothered faffing about with bluetooth headsets, and it would bother me to be seen holding it to my head, so I just use an N95 for out-and-about. Other people get along fine with bluetooth kits AND without. its all down to personal taste.
The Kaiser has better connectivity than the Ameo as it supports category 6 HSDPA (3.6mbps) and the wonderous HSUPA. I believe it also supports EDR with its bluetooth 2.0.
I suppose the Kaiser is technically on a par with the Ameo in respect to its overall features, but its QVGA screen does look a little jagged and wishy washy when you're used to an athena.
if HTC recalled all the Kaisers and stuck a VGA screen on board then they would have a damn near unbeatable and future-proof bit of kit, and id sell my arse to get one, but until that day im sticking with my athena.

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confucious is right with regard to the size. i predominantly use my Athena as a standalone office and browsing gadget. i can remote desktop, watch films and even youtube (though i NEVER thought the day would come!). I Rarely/never use the athena as a phone as i cant be bothered faffing about with bluetooth headsets, and it would bother me to be seen holding it to my head, so I just use an N95 for out-and-about. Other people get along fine with bluetooth kits AND without. its all down to personal taste.
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I would never hold it to my head but am happy to use a BT headset. I also use the web all day, have instant email etc etc etc. I just simply couldn't manage without the wonderful screen, especially at 128dpi

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I would never hold it to my head but am happy to use a BT headset. I also use the web all day, have instant email etc etc etc. I just simply couldn't manage without the wonderful screen, especially at 128dpi
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Ditto here.

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Ditto here.
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true true true

argh..
i cannot agree more with you! im used to the universal, loved the device in its vgamode.. then i broke it and now im stuck with a ****ty kaiser. WHY NO VGA!!!?? Maybe the glofish m600 would be a better step towards a smaller device but with vga? So no HSDPA 3.6mbit on athena?? thought it was?

Who would swap their athena for a smaller device with the exact same specs?

I just sold my athena, and got a touch enhanced. Same rom and ram, 1/3rd processor speed and no 3g are the main differences to me.
But, I was wondering, who would swap their athena for a kaiser or touch cruise if those devices had vga, making them basically the same specs as the athena.
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It seems that people wouldnt want a vga screen on a device with a small width in inches. I think this is really funny, because all people did when both the kaiser's and Touch Cruise's specs were finalised, was say how if only it was vga. But now I thnk about it, with realvga on my athena [96dpi], it was basically 4 hermes screens glues together, in terms of size and res. So, the text was about the same size on today as ti was n my hermes. But imagine real vga on a 2.8 screen, it would be like having 4 3cm by 2 cm screens glued together. Tiny writing. So i think you're right about the vga.
Rory

I would, but I can't stress enough how much I love the VGA screen. I have a TyTN as well and although the screen size is smaller, I can't stand the QVGA resolution

i imagine most would. I don't know why htc are so slow on the uptake with vga displays, they're hardly new technology. 800 by 480 would be better though

I would not swap my athena for anything but a higher spec upgrade. I would like something with the same size screen but true native vga resolution or above with more cpu and a gpu that can be used. For me the size is no problem and i love the keyboard. People stare at my athena all the time and i think it is funny. The only person that has commented negatively was the typical iphone user. But i shut him up when i told him my device specs My favorite thing to tell iphone users is can your phone do "copy and paste" then i just laugh at them. It seems that they might be fixing that in the next firmware release though. Anyway the athena is my first step into pda phones and i don't think i would be able to use anything else.

mcwtrekkie said:
I would, but I can't stress enough how much I love the VGA screen. I have a TyTN as well and although the screen size is smaller, I can't stand the QVGA resolution
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Dido.
It is to note that I had a TyTN before the Athena, that had been given to me as a replacement for a Universal. And:
- that was the worst replacement I got ever. To me, screen was too small and low-res --> no usable Internet or word processing, however basic --> no need for the integrated keyboard, however good it may have been + no need for Wifi --> too thick and big, as well as too expensive for its practical use;
- the universal screen is 3,5" and VGA, and even if I am lucky to have excellent eyesight, I found it the bottom limit for readability.
So.... I'm not entirely sure one can really make full use of a VGA+ screen if it is not at the very least 4", and again, *at the very least*.
IMHO, of course.

Hell...I did it!!
What can I say....did I go off the Athena? Never, but my needs changed and I needed to be able to use my all-in-one device as a normal phone, without running into trouble when I forgot to charge my BT headset.
...So I ditched and got the Kaiser. Love the Kaiser even with its hardware driver issues, but I miss that large VGA display. There is nothing like it.
Having said that, that's all I miss. This thing is pocket friendly and with the exception of TV-Out (which I never really use) and the VGA screen, the Kaiser does it all.
Each to their own I guess. But I'll never have a bad word to say about the Athena....she'll always be my baby, lol. She's just too darn big to take out in public. ROFL.

Yeah i ditched too, after only 3 weeks, ive moved on to the tiny touch 256. I love my athena, and i dont want to send it off to its new home in italy, but i dont need it, and my mum's quite happy that i made 130 quid today. I think i will miss the massive screen, its area is about 3 times the touch's.
But i dont drive, so sont need gps, dont use tv out, and the touch at only 201 mhz wont make use of the hsdpa, and at school on both tytn and athena, i usually get 3g max, hardly ever hsdpa.
But theres my reasons for switching.
Oh yer, and because it couldnt make calls [check my sig]
x

No, I won't settle for a screen less than 4.5 inch big. realvga is useless for a 3.5 inch vga screen even at 128dpi.
I also hate having the integrated hardware keyboard. I'm a tablet person, loving Tengo very much.
I don't find Athen any less portable than say a Universal. I carry it without keyboard on my belt pouch, covered by my shirt so you don't even know or see me carry it.

well, before my athena i was using a mio a701 for like a year. it was quite a change because prior to that i was using an xda2i...which had a bigger screen. and switching over to the mio took some getting used to.
but now that i have a 5 inch screen it's so difficult to even think of switching back to a device with a smaller screen. i already upgraded the rom to ak 3.0 and it's the best ever. besides, the large screen is a good pacifier for my 3 year old when she want's to watch toons =)
cheers

why choose? I have both a touch, a tytn II and an Athena. My girlfriend uses the touch.. I use the Athena with a style-I in the car, as a gps, movie player or wherever i need to do work which involves browsing, excel and typing up large text bodies. Using style-i and Microsoft voice command I rarely take it out in public to make a call. The Athena is my best phone ever! The tytn II is a great side kick. Awesome keyboard for fast smses, putting in pim, even though the camera sucks, I still use it sometimes just to make a quick shot (hardly ever use the Athena camera as the quality just doesnt weigh up for the size) I even use the world card reader occasionally. Must say that I don't like browsing with the Tytn II, but it's still handy to have the chance to check some info etc in case my Athena is not close by.
in case of the Polaris, or an old universal for that matter, a 3,5 inch VGA screen is not big enough for my needs, (don't even think I would like a 4" screen) so if I had to choose, hypothetically speaking, I would still go for Athena

The large screen and internet anywhere (especially at 3G speeds) were the biggest reasons I bought it, so no, I wouldn't go back to a smaller screen even if most of the other specs on the other phone were better.

rorydaredkign said:
I just sold my athena, and got a touch enhanced. Same rom and ram, 1/3rd processor speed and no 3g are the main differences to me.
But, I was wondering, who would swap their athena for a kaiser or touch cruise if those devices had vga, making them basically the same specs as the athena.
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It seems that people wouldnt want a vga screen on a device with a small width in inches. I think this is really funny, because all people did when both the kaiser's and Touch Cruise's specs were finalised, was say how if only it was vga. But now I thnk about it, with realvga on my athena [96dpi], it was basically 4 hermes screens glues together, in terms of size and res. So, the text was about the same size on today as ti was n my hermes. But imagine real vga on a 2.8 screen, it would be like having 4 3cm by 2 cm screens glued together. Tiny writing. So i think you're right about the vga.
Rory
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I have an Athena and love it. I also have a Kaiser (2), Universal, Hermes, Wizard and a couple of other phones. I could/would never switch. The Kaiser is not that impressive. Plus performance on the Kaiser sucks until the driver issue is resolved, etc. Kaisers are also dying left and right so reliability is not up to par. I was a little upset with my Athena due to a MicroDrive hardware issue but after hooking it up to my laptop using WMStorage and formatting the MD with Windows XP and running defrag/scandisk on it, I have not had any issues with it. Let's just see how long I have before experiencing another problem..if it ever happens again.

by the way, find these threads, trying to evaluate the quality of the Athena boring and unnecessary. I will stop posting on them I think...

[email protected] said:
by the way, find these threads, trying to evaluate the quality of the Athena boring and unnecessary. I will stop posting on them I think...
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Not sure what you're trying to tell everyone but ok. Take care.

ltxda said:
Not sure what you're trying to tell everyone but ok. Take care.
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there are already many threads about what people think about the Athena. I think people keep it when they like and sell it if not.

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there are already many threads about what people think about the Athena. I think people keep it when they like and sell it if not.
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Gotcha. Crystal clear.

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there are already many threads about what people think about the Athena. I think people keep it when they like and sell it if not.
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absolutely a good point. Smaller devices with with equivalent specification but smaller vga screen already exist. If there are so many voting yes but don't actually do it in action, something doesn't make sense.

My name is telling you my answer
The big screen is THE reason.
I've installed realVGA and use the 96dpi resolution. My GOD! I can't believe what I'm seeing. For once, a real workable work horse can be carried around. My previous phones does not let me see enough. The only problem I have is the keyboard. It's too small, even if I chose the big key option. Is there a way to make the keyboard standard size?

athenalover get lost. learn something on xda-wiki instead.

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athenalover get lost. learn something on xda-wiki instead.
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Sorry, I'm still in the honeymoon period..I'd take my time, not in a hurry.
Joking. Your point taken. Thanks Martin.

touch leo, i hope sony are watching

leaked touch leo (replacement to the touchHD)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7674
yeah i know it does not have a keyboard and it (imo) does not look that great, but the specs are right.
with this and others (toshiba, lg, samsung etc) all coming out, why cant SE see that there x2 is so far behind?(hw specs wise)

great specs but too big and ugly

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great specs but too big and ugly
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i agree, not sure why there trying to copy toshiba's phone design

Come on HTC, stop experimenting!!! Touch Pro2 is almost perfect, it just lacks a bit of multimedia for the younger like me. So add 3.5 mm jack, good 5+ MP camera with flash, 1Ghz processor and call it Pro3, and me and many others will buy it!
3,6 inch display is perfect, anything else is too big!
Add 3.5 mm jack, 5+ MP camera with flash, 1Ghz processor!!! Is it so hard???
Please someone give me the coordinates of the chief of HTC, so that I can tell this to him, or where can I post this for HTC to seeeeee?

i dont get it ... has somebody a big pocket enough to carry that thing ??????
Cant those big companies understand that it's all about portability the limit between a netbook and a POCKET pc???

THIS IS IT!
Give me a slide-out keyboard with it (Leo Pro anyone?) and a D-Pad (no D-Pad = no go) and I'll buy it at any price. Sweet, that would fit perfectly in my hand/pocket. It has a room for a keyboard - look how thin it is!
HAHA SE, you got told (or shown) how it's done. X2 should have had that hardware, damn.
I didn't have time to read it, so is there a 3.5mm or not?

Ganondolf said:
i agree, not sure why there trying to copy toshiba's phone design
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I find the size perfect (from the pic and having toyed with that Toshiba garbage).
It is kinda ugly, but with those specs I would buy it even if it said "iPhone" on it LOL . It isn't fat enough, NEEDS MORE KEYBOARD!

The screen size is nice,
but the looks and controls look like a fart.
As well as 90% of HTC design. Don't they have any design department?

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It is kinda ugly, but with those specs I would buy it even if it said "iPhone" on it LOL ...
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Be honest! You wouldn't ...
topic: I like the phone, but not sure how big it is... Mite be too big, yes.
But I'm more into Android phones now. Soon there will be more choices
if you decide for android...
Orelsi, why not the K01?

If those specs were on x2 would be definitely the best phone in the world

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Be honest! You wouldn't ...
Orelsi, why not the K01?
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OK, I admit, I wouldn't....
I'll reserve judgement on the K01 until I hear some reviews and get it in my hands. Attaching a keyboard won't do the trick, unless they change something about the device itself.

Oh yeah:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/25/htc-hd2-inches-closer-to-reality-hitting-europe-in-october-for/
Another one:
engadget.com/2009/09/25/htc-leos-touchflo-3d-build-demoed-on-video/
I hate TF3D... and capacitive screen? MASSIVE FAIL!
I don't want it anymore .