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Alpha Testers Needed: TouchNav (Scroll with your fingers)

Hi All,
I have been working on an enhancement that allows scrolling from anywhere on the screen, not just using the scrollbars. The idea is to tweak the UI so that it functions more intuitively. This app is still in Alpha. However, for those that like this functionality and would like to help me with testing and provide me with good suggestions, that would be extremely appreciative.
Here is the run down on the app:
-Loads on startup and places an icon on the home screen.
-Currently, a flicker of the startup screen will appear during bootup.
-May not work at times on initial loading of a window.
Thank and enjoy. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
EDIT: Sorry guys, I had to remove the cab.

This is a great idea. I have been looking for such an application.
I installed it, did a soft-reset and the little icon appeared on the home screen as you indicated. The following is my feedback:
- the scrolling does not work in IE (where it's probably most useful)
- the direction of the scrolling is counter-intuitive. I expected that dragging down to scroll down (as in iPhone); it does the opposite.
Thanks for the application.

good idea maybe. i may misunderstand the features of this program. i'm currently able to scroll by dragging in most apps on my wm5. in IE i use PIE to scroll by dragging. in contacts (both default wm5 and inesoft address book i can also scroll by dragging. i also able to scroll by dragging in resco file explorer. for image i also scroll by dragging using resco photo viewer. am i missing something ?

peter733 said:
good idea maybe. i may misunderstand the features of this program. i'm currently able to scroll by dragging in most apps on my wm5. in IE i use PIE to scroll by dragging. in contacts (both default wm5 and inesoft address book i can also scroll by dragging. i also able to scroll by dragging in resco file explorer. for image i also scroll by dragging using resco photo viewer. am i missing something ?
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the issue is that by default, you have to scroll with your stylus and there are no out of the box functionality that allows you to scroll from anywhere with your finger. Similar to the iphone.

rawmean said:
This is a great idea. I have been looking for such an application.
I installed it, did a soft-reset and the little icon appeared on the home screen as you indicated. The following is my feedback:
- the scrolling does not work in IE (where it's probably most useful)
- the direction of the scrolling is counter-intuitive. I expected that dragging down to scroll down (as in iPhone); it does the opposite.
Thanks for the application.
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You are right about the drag position. In terms of the PIE issue, that is known. I am working on it.

I tried to run this on WM5 and it says that my "mini" .net framework is not compatible. Is this only designed for WM6?

dymlu said:
I tried to run this on WM5 and it says that my "mini" .net framework is not compatible. Is this only designed for WM6?
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It requires CF 2.0. It is not designed specifically for WM 6.

rathoughts said:
You are right about the drag position. In terms of the PIE issue, that is known. I am working on it.
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You may also know this already, but I thought I mention it:
The application disables the "click-and-hold" function in IE which is used to go Back and to select Favorites.
Thanks,

Installed and works great for me - I do agree that the scrolling should be the other way round though. Thanks!

this worked great on my hermes!

One bug I noticed is that to be able to scroll through my contacts, I have to first enter my contacts list, and then click "ok" and then again open the contacts list.

Any news on development or fixed alpha version? I would really prefer this over TouchFlo on my Hermes, since it does not eat so much performance and HTCHome is excellent app though!!
Olioaglio

ei,
any news from this must have application?
dont give up, go on man, you are the one

Yeah... keep us posted on Beta, and possibly RC releases

Thanks for this apha release. I would prefer not to have the icon on the today screen because I have a limited amount of space on there.
The scrolling worked on File Explorer / Resco Explorer. Did not seem to work on my newreader pRSSreader. In PIE I always have 'screen drag' turned on so prefer to use that but would still like the right-click menu which this disables.
Kismat

May the force be with you
rathoughts ,
i came to this thread, every hours just to check if we have more news, i´m waiting for the TouchNav without bugs.
May the force be with you , and work on this wonderful app.
best regards

any news on a future release?

hi,
I only have 2 options:
1. install this app
2. install the rom FantasticB4 or VID
and you people, what you gona do?
isntall the entire rom just only because the touchfo is not the rigth solution.
what is your opinion on this ?

raymondu999 said:
any news on a future release?
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Sorry for not posting an update. I have been swamped with work and all. Life of a consultant!
I am planning to get back into it sometime soon. Maybe this weekend.

Marcos200 said:
hi,
I only have 2 options:
1. install this app
2. install the rom FantasticB4 or VID
and you people, what you gona do?
isntall the entire rom just only because the touchfo is not the rigth solution.
what is your opinion on this ?
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I tried touchflo, but it didn't give me what I really wanted...integrated functionality with the OS. I like the "coolness" of it.

This is something that can benefit ALL HTC Touch Screen Devices

I have been trying to work on something that will enable some sort of Haptic feed back on my XV6800. The Haptic feed back is a feature that enables vibration to the screen when you press on the screen. Such as the Voyager.
I dont intend to try and make this just to work with the XV6800 but for ALL HTC Touch Screen Devices and if it can others too.
There is a feature on my phone and on many others that allows our phones to play a sound when the screen is taped. I thought of an idea of why not replace the sound with vibration?
There is already a CAB out there that changes the dial tone into a vibration feedback ( when you press the dial buttons ) but it doesnt do much for the rest of the applications or screen.
So far I have been working on this for a couple of days but havent had much time to put much effort into it.
I was hoping that some developers / hackers can help out the cause and help develope or create a feature that enables this on ALL HTC Touch Screen Devices.
If I do find a way to do this I'll post my findings here, but any help to make this a reality would be gladly appreciated.

I was just reading about this very thing HERE: http://www.immersion.com/vt/haptics-for-mobile.php
I was wondering if somebody was going to give it a try. Good luck with it, BOO

it has already been done, and someone posted it up on these forums a while ago, probably buried extremely deeply by now... i forgot the name but i just know it's out there and although it worked, i quickly worried about battery life/hardware issues, so i uninstalled. i'll try to find it for you

bootheresa said:
I was just reading about this very thing HERE: http://www.immersion.com/vt/haptics-for-mobile.php
I was wondering if somebody was going to give it a try. Good luck with it, BOO
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Thank you. I am hoping that we can get this done.
I mean we are constantly trying to make our touch screen devices finger friendly. We enlarge buttons, the creation of Touch FLO and the Cube, enlarging menus and so on.
My theory is why not combine all these I deas with Haptic feedback and make it even more finger friendly and try to limit the use of the stylus. If made possible this would be able to work on any HTC Touch screen device or any WM Touch screen device out there.
This would also help users that have a hard time inputing anything into their phone. For example, some one trying to make a text message through t9 or even less then that just pressing on the screen to access a short cut with out having to pound their touch screen until it inputs that they are trying to press. This would help with that because it will acknowledge the input that was made.
Just an Idea

Azimuth21 said:
it has already been done, and someone posted it up on these forums a while ago, probably buried extremely deeply by now... i forgot the name but i just know it's out there and although it worked, i quickly worried about battery life/hardware issues, so i uninstalled. i'll try to find it for you
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If this has been made possible for the entire touch screen and all applications including the standard OS please inform me of this find. I would gladly appreciate it.

yeah it was an application that ran in the background (maybe as a service, i don't remember), but every single tap created a vibrate feedback. argh i just looked around for it and i have no idea where to find it. it was in some thread, someone's reply had the app attached to it. something about how he knew someone who was working on it, and waited for that person's permission to post the app here on xda-dev. sigh.

Azimuth21 said:
yeah it was an application that ran in the background (maybe as a service, i don't remember), but every single tap created a vibrate feedback. argh i just looked around for it and i have no idea where to find it. it was in some thread, someone's reply had the app attached to it. something about how he knew someone who was working on it, and waited for that person's permission to post the app here on xda-dev. sigh.
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Interesting. If it has been done already I wonder if we can replicate it and put it on this thread. That is if you dont find the link to the page or the program it self.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354890&highlight=Vibrate&page=2
Around post #15. I do not know if it works or not..

appless03 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354890&highlight=Vibrate&page=2
Around post #15. I do not know if it works or not..
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Thanks this is a good find.
Ill see if i can make it available using another method. Because they reported that it worked on every other tap of the screen and that it runs the battery down faster too.
What I might try to do is have mine work but have the option to disable it ( like the way you do when you disable screen tap sounds) to save battery power.

[email protected]$ said:
Thanks this is a good find.
Ill see if i can make it available using another method. Because they reported that it worked on every other tap of the screen and that it runs the battery down faster.
What I might try to do is have mine work but have the option to disable it ( like the way you do when you disable screen tap sounds) to save battery power.
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Hay [email protected]$
True like u said, i've tried it 2, but it do not respond to every fingertouch, if u can figur a way for an app that will respond 2 every touch even the small ones (where u don'nt need 2 hold for a sek before it regonise and verb.).. that will be really great

Cobra2 said:
Hay [email protected]$
True like u said, i've tried it 2, but it do not respond to every fingertouch, if u can figur a way for an app that will respond 2 every touch even the small ones (where u don'nt need 2 hold for a sek before it regonise and verb.).. that will be really great
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So far I have planned some steps on ways to do it through the registry but it is not perfect. I am not an expert programmer but I can give it a shot, but it might take a while since I am not as great as the experts here in XDA.
But I'll do what I can. If I do find a solution I will post it here, but any help to make this project possible would be great.

I would be happy if my phone would just vibrate on keyboard input.

I am running this older vibro cab. Works very well however...
The vibration lasts aslong as your finger has contact on the screen. It would be better if it just gave a quick blip of vibro each touch maybe?
When you slide a cube etc it virbos the whole movement.
MM

MaxMotus said:
I am running this older vibro cab. Works very well however...
The vibration lasts aslong as your finger has contact on the screen. It would be better if it just gave a quick blip of vibro each touch maybe?
When you slide a cube etc it virbos the whole movement.
MM
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Do you happen to have the CAB with you? Maybe I can find a way to change the effect this program does when you press the screen and lower the vibration feed back.
If I can do that then I can maybe create some registry settings to make the same effect but just replacing the sound that is emulated when you tap the screen. That way you can disable it or enable it when you want it. ( In case you need to save battery or something )

The length of the vibration should be shorter, other than that it's a really good tool.

wow i must be stupid. i just posted a thread about this yesterday. anyway, it'd be cool if we could figure out a way to just incorporate it into the registry, probly wouldn't use as much battary and stuff then.

This has been done already on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354890&page=2. On the second page, Kpyto posted a download link for it. I haven't tested it yet though so I can't tell you how well it works.

hows this coming along?

I tried the VOA program mentioned above, but i don't really like it - it's simply annoying by vibrating all the time when scrolling trough lists, or attempting to bring up a tap-and-hold context menu. Not to mention additional battery drain caused by the motor running for such long periods of time.
For me, much better screen tap confirmation is a very short vibra pulse - i often use Vibrate(50) as a confirmation in my mortscripts. That's only 50 milliseconds, but it' enough to be clearly felt, and since the motor is powered only for such short time, it causes almost no additional battery drain. I'd really love to see an application creating such confirmation instead of the screen tap sound.
I'd just like it to have customizable vibration time - since the minimal time needed to make vibration even noticeable can probably vary from device to device, and play nice with fTouchFlo - since both capture touchscreen events there are probably possible conflicts.
Good luck with the development. I hope you'll be able to realize this great idea

mr_deimos said:
I tried the VOA program mentioned above, but i don't really like it - it's simply annoying by vibrating all the time when scrolling trough lists, or attempting to bring up a tap-and-hold context menu. Not to mention additional battery drain caused by the motor running for such long periods of time.
For me, much better screen tap confirmation is a very short vibra pulse - i often use Vibrate(50) as a confirmation in my mortscripts. That's only 50 milliseconds, but it' enough to be clearly felt, and since the motor is powered only for such short time, it causes almost no additional battery drain. I'd really love to see an application creating such confirmation instead of the screen tap sound.
I'd just like it to have customizable vibration time - since the minimal time needed to make vibration even noticeable can probably vary from device to device, and play nice with fTouchFlo - since both capture touchscreen events there are probably possible conflicts.
Good luck with the development. I hope you'll be able to realize this great idea
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Lets hope some one makes this. isn't there anyone on these forums with great programing skills?

Pocket CM

Hi guys,
I have been going through quite a bit of reading of the threads here in XDA Developers. I realised alot of people is using Pocket CM.
When i read up what PocketCM is used for, it is offering functions that the Polaris default contacts manager offers to. Finger scrolling, Random Alphabetical Access at the side and such. The only main difference i found is that PocketCM has skins and thats all about it.
May I just ask with politeness that what is the main difference about PocketCM that you guys are encourage to switch from the default contacts manager in polaris to PocketCM ?
Greatly Appreciate it..
Thanks

The main reason is that it can easily support the language you want (apart from English, for example Greek contact names) in a WWE ROM.

Oh ok... only that ?
Hmn.. alright.. then i think i am fine with the default contact manager

For many users the supported skins (iphone look) are much much better than the default contact manager. This is a good reason too...

i saw it on one of the youtube video Can you just enlighten me if the finger scrolling is much smoother than the one offered by the default contact manager ?

donchen said:
i saw it on one of the youtube video Can you just enlighten me if the finger scrolling is much smoother than the one offered by the default contact manager ?
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I used PCM for awhile and uninstalled it. I found performance to be lagging.
However, you should give it a try and see if it works for you.

donchen said:
i saw it on one of the youtube video Can you just enlighten me if the finger scrolling is much smoother than the one offered by the default contact manager ?
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This is true... it's working smoothly on Polaris.

JNGold said:
I used PCM for awhile and uninstalled it. I found performance to be lagging.
However, you should give it a try and see if it works for you.
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Well, I used PCM too, for about one hour and uninstalled it. But I have a problem: when I press "Contacts" (in the right corner or in the Start-menu) i get an error that he can't find PocketCM...My Polaris doesn't open my old Contacts-list. Somebody got the right solution? Also, I uninstalled it on the right manner, but the program symbol "PocketCM" remains in my Programs.

It's a nice app. It's smooth, can be made to look really professional, but I found it laggy, tempermental and ultimately uninstalled it.
It has several advantages over the default viewer (larger text for a start) but in the end it just got annoying.

Does someone know how I can solve my problem? When I press Contacts I get an error:"The file PocketCM cannot be opened..."...someone who knows where I can change the function of Contacts so I get in my good old contacts-list again...Thx in advance

Need to regedit. Do a search on the Dev/Hacking forum for ":MSCONTACT".
As for PCM, it also has threaded SMS capability. And I guess some would say its "slicker" than the stock contact app.

GScroll

Does anyone know about this ..looks like a cool app...ordering it right now
http://www.handango.com/catalog/Pro...&deviceId=2062&platformId=30&productId=239378

wow looks awsome, ill try the trial

looks neat - the question is how to enable/disable it without it interfering with the normal features of the phone...

basically a basic version of ftouchsl, ftouchsl has gestures though

xboxhaxorz said:
basically a basic version of ftouchsl, ftouchsl has gestures though
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It's using the touch panel though- the capacitive part of the screen...not the main screen itself.

Ok, I bought the app, but the installer doesn't work on Vista, can anyone please provide me with a .cab for this? Thanks!

its in program files or the directory you saved it in. so im installing right now, well tell you what I think of it very soon!

might hsve been just the way my settings were but when I used this it did not seem one bit functional, I advise you to try the trial first. I uninstalled it slmost immediately. Just ststing mu experiences yours may be different

Wow, how secret is this. Need to register at Handango to download a trial that expires after 2 minutes, YES in words: TWO MINUTES.
And it comes as .msi file that requires .NET 3.5
Hell that's a challenge to try this thing out.
Hopefully it will not be considered as warez if I attach the cab here.

axelpix said:
Wow, how secret is this. Need to register at Handango to download a trial that expires after 2 minutes, YES in words: TWO MINUTES.
And it comes as .msi file that requires .NET 3.5
Hell that's a challenge to try this thing out.
Hopefully it will not be considered as warez if I attach the cab here.
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Yes. It will be considered as Warez to attach here since Handango needs registration to download this file which is mandatory as per their policy. Removing the attachment from here and please refrain from re-attachment else its bansville
Its like XDA needing registration to post something in here

Hey
I just tested the app.
I think the scrolling is not that best, or I m even doing wrong.
But I like the feature to assign Applications to the Buttons.
So You have the 4 buttons ( home, back, call, end ), and
you can assign 4 Apps to its touchpanel.
So we can map a Taskmanager to a Button.
Maybe someone can test the scrolling, and tell his results
greets doena

I attached the trial .cab file for everyone (without windows, .NET, etc) to try...
For me the program works good. The scrolling feature will help a lot of us, who can't easily find the directional buttons...

I HAVE POSTED A WARNING JUST 2 POSTS ABOVE YOURS. IF ANYONE CANT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS PM ME AND I'LL EXPLAIN. DO NOT POST THE CAB FILES HERE, HANDANGO DOESNT NEED XDA TO ACT LIKE MIRRORS. NEXT ATTACHMENT HERE WILL SEND THIS THREAD TO CLOSURE AND NON OBEYING MEMBER TO BANSVILLE

doena said:
Hey
I think the scrolling is not that best, or I m even doing wrong.
Maybe someone can test the scrolling, and tell his results
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Yes, the scrolling through G-Sensor is not the best experience in my opinion too. I tested this in TotalCommander and contacts list. It's too slow for me.
But the swipe scroll works quite fine. It's like a whole page down every swipe.
Yes. It will be considered as Warez to attach here since Handango needs registration to download this file which is mandatory as per their policy
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Understood. Thanks and sorry!

It works fine for me, but it doesn't work for games (I tested it with Gstunt).... Maybe future releases will solve the problem...

I tried it for the 2 minutes it was worth. The scrolling is really just one movement up or down at a time...not really kinetic scrolling. It was a little tricky to get it on and off also (waiting to feel the vibration of it comin to life). I may buy it though...for the price I'll play with it...it does keep your figners off of the screen.

I played with the demo this morning instead of doing work.
Not bad with the scrolling, although it does not recognize 100% of the finger swipes. I couldn't get tap and tilt to work at all. And the slide over the center key was glitchy.
What I really would prefer is an app that will scroll up and down just by me tapping, but not clicking, the screen. It seems Gscroll could add that feature pretty easily.

The demo cab is available at the programmer's website, so it is neither "warez" nor is there any need to post it here. The website is www.mobilesrc.com.

Similar issues for me...
For the money, it's a reasonable piece of software, but useablility... it's not that good in my opinion. As mentioned above, it's far too slow. One 'swipe' moves one item in the list. It needs to be kinetic like a finger swipe on the screen. And it's not that responsive to touch. Sometimes it'll respond OK, other times it ignores my touch on the pad.
Great idea... needs a little more work

^is this guy for real, or what?
didn't he see the 2 posts from the mod in this thread?
well, look like the thread will be closing soon.

[IDEA] touch friendly brightness app SetBrightness - screenshot included

Fellow developers
As many here, I have welcomed the new era of touch friendly apps and GUIs. In the plethora of great applications that we can all find here, I feel there's a need for one more (most likely for many more, but this post focuses on only one )
Basically in everyday use, I have always had a problem with quick brightness change. The urge for that usually strikes in the least convinient moments e.g. during a car drive when the sun starts shining straight into my screen and there's no time for little tete-a-tete with good 'ol stylus, or cycling the level of brightness. None of the existing solutions seem to be perfect.
Therefore I think there's a hole to fill in by an application that I imagine, could work on very similar basis to MarcLandis's - SetVolume.
Please have a look at the concept screenshot attached.
I believe it's pretty self explanatory.
Just few words of comments:
- two separate battery & external brightness tabs (though they can be on a single screen as well),
- advanced button - is a link to system brightness panel,
- power button - is a link to the system power panel,
- +/- increase/decrease brightness level.
Optional features could include:
- skin support,
- cooperation with current apps such as S2U2,
- linking to hardware/software buttons,
- ... I'm sure you can think of some other things as well.
I understand, that due to different implementation of brightness panels/reg keys by different manufacturers this app can be a challenge. But I'm sure that's not impossible also and can be solved by different configuration profiles, or other solutions that I'm prolly not aware of.
Unfortunately being 'code deblitated' I cannot write this app myself. However, on my side I can offer full support in the graphics department and help to prepare the needed elements for different screen resolutions.
Your comments are most welcome, and hopefully someone can stand up for the challenge
regards
efbiaye

Its already done in WKTASK - the best task manager for WM.
I suggest you change its normal setup to do a Launch when you hold the close X button down (easily done with a finger).
This then brings up a customized menu that can have the brightness, volume you are looking for.

this is exactly what I want to do as my next project!
I hope you will help me with graphics.
Stay in touch, please.

Dear bsw11,
I'm of course familiar with your app, which btw. is really great, however it exceeds the simple functionality of just a brightness app that I was looking for.
My point was, to have such app literally 1 click away (either hardware/software button). Currently I had created a direct shortcut to my Windows brightness panel, the problem is - that it isn't finger friendy at all - you have to pinpoint the slider, which is next to impossible if you're driving a car, or even in public transport where everything is shaking.

Maybe MVBklight... which is a today plugin also

francarl said:
this is exactly what I want to do as my next project!
I hope you will help me with graphics.
Stay in touch, please.
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Glad to heear that francarl of course I'm ready to help.

Hi..In the last few days i wrote an application like this.. if you want to try.. all feedback are welcome..
Only VGA/WVGA HTC for now..

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Hi..In the last few days i wrote an application like this.. if you want to try.. all feedback are welcome..
Only VGA/WVGA HTC for now..
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Unfortunately I don't have VGA HTC device to test :/

fbifbi said:
Unfortunately I don't have VGA HTC device to test :/
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this is an alpha.. QVGA WQVGA are now supported too..
For other brand i need more time.. i have to find the right dll to invoke

Can Mylight be themed like the concept? In the new rom I installed my volume adjustments look much like the concept it would be nice if the backlight adjustments matched. Is this something easy to do?

I installed mylight aaaaannnnnddd yeah it doesnt seem to actually do anything? Is this just a graphic demo of what it would look like? Cause as I push the yellow thing up and it fills it up it doesnt actually change the screen brightness.