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wm6 and cingular video

does anyone know how to get it work? i put the link cingularvideo.cingular.com, and it shows something about need a 3g phone

tbl178 said:
does anyone know how to get it work? i put the link cingularvideo.cingular.com, and it shows something about need a 3g phone
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DO A SEARCH HERE OR AT HOFO!

thanks for nothing, if you dont have info then don't reply. i did but didn't find anything about wm6.

tbl178 said:
thanks for nothing, if you dont have info then don't reply. i did but didn't find anything about wm6.
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You didn't read enough or search enough and with an attitude like that I wouldn't help you anyway. The methods are here if you look around.

tbl178 said:
does anyone know how to get it work? i put the link cingularvideo.cingular.com, and it shows something about need a 3g phone
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found info.

wpbear said:
You didn't read enough or search enough and with an attitude like that I wouldn't help you anyway. The methods are here if you look around.
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you are just a smart A**...if you dont want to help...dont say nothing
Here is the write up i found from another member
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282651&page=24

wratran said:
you are just a smart A**...if you dont want to help...dont say nothing
No he's not a smart a**. He's actually a quite helpful member of this forum. His suggestion to search is that standard answer by anyone who's been around and/or contributed to this forum for any amount of time.
The point of the Search function is to try and get newbies and the inexperianced to look for the answers themselves and not make other members repeat the same information over and over for every new member that is either too lazy to search and read or just doesn't know that the Search function exists. The information posted here is so far and above what your carrier or software or hardware vendor could provide you for any price and it's available for FREE. So respect the forum and respect the members or go call your service provider for answers. (HA)
You are in no position to tell anyone, especially a Senior member to "shut up" if they don't have an answer.
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@evilhomer - thanks for the support.
@wratran - so the seaching or reading is working for you obviously since you found one of those links I was talking about.
To the topic - I wish we could get the UA bypassed in WM6 PIE since I do not like NetFront. I think pappl is looking into it.

wpbear said:
@evilhomer - thanks for the support.
@wratran - so the seaching or reading is working for you obviously since you found one of those links I was talking about.
To the topic - I wish we could get the UA bypassed in WM6 PIE since I do not like NetFront. I think pappl is looking into it.
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wpbear, have you tried this solution to the UA problem? PAPPL and some Europe users were having the same issues and he made a .zip with some files to replace the default files that are keeping PIE from sending out the changed UA in the registry
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1184509&postcount=13

chenga said:
wpbear, have you tried this solution to the UA problem? PAPPL and some Europe users were having the same issues and he made a .zip with some files to replace the default files that are keeping PIE from sending out the changed UA in the registry
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1184509&postcount=13
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I am happy to report this works and I will be posting two cabs shortly to make this install the two files and make the reg fix. One cab will be just the fix and the other will be a realplayer all in one fix.
EDIT: Here are the CABS
EDIT- Cabs removed- the fix by pappl causes some to have email problems. If you still want his fix since it works for most people then go to his thread.

Glad it works for Cingular Video as well. Nice work making the .cab files!

wratran said:
you are just a smart A**...if you dont want to help...dont say nothing
Here is the write up i found from another member
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282651&page=24
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Exactly what has changed in this forum when people who are upstanding members of this community, like wpbear are put down and attacked by "big shots" who want to show they are better than the others on here? wpbear's comments were valid and to the point. It's really quite annoying on a **developers** web site to have the same questions asked over and over again. wratran--get over yourself. So, you can search. Yay. How about you post the results of your search without the person attacks next time, huh?
This forum is NOT for kiddies who are just learning how to make a phone call. It is, in my opinion, a forum designed for DEVELOPERS who actually understand what they are doing! There are n00bie forums around that will fit you better. HowardForums.com comes to mind...

I rest my case....
you noticed wpbear finally post a link to help a member...instead of making smart AS* remark. Look at his first response after the question was asked...and see how obnixious he was...
The search function on this forum does not work very well. I did not get that link by using the search command.

Since I have still not upgraded to WM6 (holding out for WMXL 3.0), I can confirm it works on WM5 AKU 3.3 with PIE. Awesome work guys, I really didn't like Netfront and now it's bye-bye gone!

Huge problem with this fix with outlook email not opening. Email list opens and then the message will try to open but it freezes. Have to close poutlook to get out of it and still can't view emails until HR. I veriefied it is was by installing each app I Had one a a time. I havenot tried this again with the manuall fix and checking email. I will try later.
Edit-The webview dll is causing the email and sms problem but without it the favorites links in pie do not work.

Ugh... yeah, I can definitely confirm that problem!
Is it possible to fix without a hard reset? (I haven't looked inside your cab yet.) I just got all my apps reinstalled and set up on the latest LVSW!

some reason i did not have the outlook problems.
i am using wm6 black 1.2 version with netfront 3.3 and shogun realplayer. i followed the instruction from lokemup and it works.

to many things to comment on here... so i will just tell everyone to place nice or i will lock this thread, since there was already a massive thread on this....

NOOBIE here w/ a Few Q's

title says it all. I have been browsing for a few days, on this great forum, before posting to find an answer but to no avail.
1. How can I connect Active sync via bluetooth and/or wifi. Currently I am using a Dell latitude D610(please no jokes..work laptop) with integrated bluetooth. I have tried every conceivable option except for the one that works apparently. I've partnered the devices and when trying to connect from the laptop my phone keeps denying the request.
2. I want to also customize mine with a 'cooked' ROM(I believe that's the terminology) but what are the best one's out there???????...and once I flash it can I still install my apps from a spb backup file? I still want to put the 'Iphone' theme on it...I like the dialer...also the 'Slide2Lock'.
3. Will I also have to re-hack the registry for AD2P upgrade 'bitpool=48' deal all over again or can I use a back-up'd registry I made with PHM RegEdit?
4. How can I tell what SPL/IPL version I have?
BTW - I have Hermes 8525 w/
ROM version: 2.15.502.3(latest official HTC ROM)
Radio version: 1.40.30.00
I've seen people with higher radio versions.....what advantage does this give? And does this require a ROM upgrade or is it a seperate upgrade/program(.cab)?
Its not that I'm new to hacking...I've also hacked my 2 PSP's with custom firmware, game-boots, waves, & Icons here:
PSP1:
halo3 custom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQVyypNVIbM
PSP2:
gears of war custom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mBJvwFXX7Q
oh and please no flaming on the vid's used my sh***y kodak camera.
Sorry for all the NBISH questions but also wanted to say HI & great/informative site!!
Any help to the questions above is greatly appreciated!!

First of all most of these questions have been answered elsewhere. Please search for the answers before starting new threads.
1. Right click activsync icon and select "connection settings." / Allow connections from bluetooth.
2. The choice of cooked rom depends on the person. It only takes a few mins to flash one so try them and decide on your own. Other people may like ones you dont. DOnt know about the SPB backup but I assume it might not go as planned.
3. There are apps around that will do the reg hack for you. Pimp My Black is one of them.
4. Hold down the Power (right side) and OK (left side) buttons and push the reset button on the bottom in with the stylus. You will get a screen that will display both.
jokinawa

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B00TL3GG3R said:
2. I want to also customize mine with a 'cooked' ROM(I believe that's the terminology) but what are the best one's out there???????...and once I flash it can I still install my apps from a spb backup file? I still want to put the 'Iphone' theme on it...I like the dialer...also the 'Slide2Lock'.
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There are no best ROM's out there. Yes, you can reinstall whatever you have on your PDA. This has been answered in previous threads. Please read before posting.
B00TL3GG3R said:
3. Will I also have to re-hack the registry for AD2P upgrade 'bitpool=48' deal all over again or can I use a back-up'd registry I made with PHM RegEdit?
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This has also been answered. The latest WM6 ROMS do not require these keys as they are dynamically adjusted.
B00TL3GG3R said:
Sorry for all the NBISH questions but also wanted to say HI & great/informative site!!
Any help to the questions above is greatly appreciated!!
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Two tips... READ READ READ READ then SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH then READ READ READ READ...
Cheers mate.

Just a quick note. Don't rely on SPB Backup. When backed up on WM5 and migrated to WM6, you'll have a plethora of problems. My advice, backup manually.

Music ID

Hey all, i really want this as everyone seems to rate it but when you download the CAB file it downloads two link files and an XML which takes you to opera - doesn't seem to want to download like a normal CAB file...still a bit new at all of this but if anyone can tell me how I actually get it installed and working I would be very grateful!
Thanks.

Try this version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3041910&postcount=37
Put the cab file on the device, find it on the device using explorer & launch it. It will install.

argh misicid
finally downloaded it didnt work and now cant uninstall searched here did what they said with the reinstall and now i have three dead nusicid icons !! any help please?

Getting rid of MusicID
Hey all, posted on this before but it seems to have gotten lost. I downloaded MusicID using the links people posted, never got it to work so tried to uninstall and it left an icon in my programmes, did what people said and tried to uninstall by reinstalling and now i have THREE musicid icons left none of which work - can someone tell me how to get rid of this horrid programme (which incidentally sadly doesnt compare with Shazam at all :-( )

DIANEGREY said:
Hey all, posted on this before but it seems to have gotten lost. I downloaded MusicID using the links people posted, never got it to work so tried to uninstall and it left an icon in my programmes, did what people said and tried to uninstall by reinstalling and now i have THREE musicid icons left none of which work - can someone tell me how to get rid of this horrid programme (which incidentally sadly doesnt compare with Shazam at all :-( )
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This is the third new thread you have started on this topic. Please read the sticky at the top of the Forum and stop polluting - this is not a Helpdesk and you are not entitled to an answer.
I suspect diligent use of the search tool would give you what you need - I'm sure I remember seeing a solution

Thank you for your post.
There is no solution posted here as regards to uninstall (and my initial direction was as to "install"), or rather there is one that was posted to another member and does not work, indeed it is a problem many have referenced hence the inquiry (not a demand for a response).
There are many questions posed here with people asking for assistance and many people who are good enough to provide answers recognising that is part of the spirit of this forum - if you do not wish to answer the thread then there is no obligation to do so but I do not feel that people should have any hesitation in posting on any matter they may choose.

If by what your saying you mean there's an broken shortcut to the application under the programs menu that was left behind after you uninstalled the application, you can delete those broken links by going into Windows/Start menu/Programs. Here you should see all the .lnk files associated with every program you have on your phone (including the broken links for musicId). Just delete these and they should be gone. Of course needless to say.....I'm sure you've already uninstalled the application from under start-->settings-->system-->remove programs.

in /windows/Start menu/Programs folder remove the icons.
and i agree with iain.fraser, a simple bump to the original thread should have sufficed

Thank you for the help.
The icons are there when you go windows/start/programs (not in the scroll down start menu or the slide along menu but actually on the programmes screen which shows all programmes i.e just like the icons for all the other applications, activesync, camera etc...) and cant seem to be deleted from there and there is no option to delete icons ( this is following uninstalling the programme by "removing programmes").

Its always good to have a program like SK Tools and officialy uninstall the programs from there to make sure they are completely gone!

Hmmmm that's weird. What options do you get if you tap and hold using your stylus on the musicID icons? Coz well, deleting icons is a pretty straight forward process.

DIANEGREY said:
Thank you for your post.
There is no solution posted here as regards to uninstall (and my initial direction was as to "install"), or rather there is one that was posted to another member and does not work, indeed it is a problem many have referenced hence the inquiry (not a demand for a response).
There are many questions posed here with people asking for assistance and many people who are good enough to provide answers recognising that is part of the spirit of this forum - if you do not wish to answer the thread then there is no obligation to do so but I do not feel that people should have any hesitation in posting on any matter they may choose.
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Your slightly hurt tone might have been avoided by your reading the rules of the Forum, which apply to you just as they do to everyone else here.
It is not your request that poses an issue, rather the three requests in fairly quick succession, which edges towards demanding.
Plugging the search terms 'MusicID' and 'uninstall' into the Forum Search facility at the top of the Forum returned two hits, the second of which is a thread around the coolest applications installed. Post 17 of that thread purports to offer a solution to uninstalling. If you have already tried that, you could widen out to other Forums, to the Internet as a whole, or even contact the developers of MusicID before bumping one of your original threads. Any of these would be fine - starting another new thread isn't.
Please do read the sticky - it might prove useful in future

Thanks i know its strange and frustrating - basically it created a new file called "ATT music", you click on that file in the programmes page (not the touch flo programme page where you can select and remove whatever you want but the windows programme page which shows you everything) and it opens a new icon saying "3 music id" i try to delete that by holding the stylus on it and it just says the file cannot be opened and to try reinstalling or restoring it. There are three such ATT files now on my system that i can't delete.

Hmmm...try deleting the files through activesync. Or as a last resort.....use SK Tools. It's pretty effective. You can download a trial version.
Good Luck.

Great thanks - i'll give it a go. help much appreciated!!!

DIANEGREY said:
Hey all, posted on this before but it seems to have gotten lost. I downloaded MusicID using the links people posted, never got it to work so tried to uninstall and it left an icon in my programmes, did what people said and tried to uninstall by reinstalling and now i have THREE musicid icons left none of which work - can someone tell me how to get rid of this horrid programme (which incidentally sadly doesnt compare with Shazam at all :-( )
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Hi, Sorry to hear it did not work for you. Did you have .net 3.5 installed?
This is the link I used to find the right cab: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3041910&postcount=37
I did read on another forum that the trick to uninstalling it was to install again on top and reply "yes" to the remove earlier version option and then cancel the install after that.
It works very well on my HD - I can sit in the chair across the room from the radio and it will pick up the music fine and after about 30 seconds it has done the sampling, analyzing and provided the track details.
It's not very good on classical music though !!

Thanks cheesy dave. I tried what the uninstall by reinstall and it just gave me another dead icon (now 3 as i tried it twice).
It's a shame as it looks like fun if you can get it to work. I think i have the old net compact (is there a way to check) maybe the first thing i should do is upgrade it.

DIANEGREY said:
Thanks cheesy dave. I tried what the uninstall by reinstall and it just gave me another dead icon (now 3 as i tried it twice).
It's a shame as it looks like fun if you can get it to work. I think i have the old net compact (is there a way to check) maybe the first thing i should do is upgrade it.
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Hi, you should know if you have .Net 3.5 as it needs to be installed separately. By default the HD comes with the much earlier .Net framework. So if you have to ask then probably you have only the standard. I would recommend installing the new version - there are links in this forum for it. Also, try the wiki pages:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Software
Many applications need the new version to work. I personally have no idea if musicid needs it. It does work fine on my HD and I do have .net 3.5 installed and set as the default.
Here is a useful link that has the registry key you can check to see what .net you have:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460006
I find the musicid fun, I doubt I will use it every day but now and then it will be good to have it available.
Regards, D

Here is the Microsoft link for .Net 3.5:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3c6b-42f1-9fd9-0041345b3385&displaylang=en&tm
(if the link is no good then go to microsoft and search for "NETCFSetupv35")

DIANEGREY said:
Great thanks - i'll give it a go. help much appreciated!!!
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what happened when you tried SKtools?

[Q] Everlasting Questions

As many of you will have seen I've been quite active on this forum from the moment I joined. I want to figure everything out for myself as much as possible, but it's just not possible to look up (and find!) everything. Thus, here are the questions that I can't find an answer for myself:
1) How do I change the standard SW keyboard, without it resetting after a soft reset? (E.g. to blackstone keyboard)
2) How do I change a registry value, without it resetting after a soft reset, when it normally does? (For instance the value whether your headset is plugged in, I want it to be default ON.)
3) How can I extract a cab file from a ROM? I would like to get WLive messenger from the stock ROM, but I just can't find a guide anywhere!
4) Is there a way to fix the problem that occurs with the HW keyboard when Blackstone SW keyboard is installed? The problem is the first keytap not being registered correctly, so the first letter ends up being the second or later. Call it input lag.
I intend to add the found answers to this post, as well as add other hard to answer questions others may have. That is, if an answer exists. Thanks in advance for those who try to help.

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Answers in bold.
Angelusz said:
As many of you will have seen I've been quite active on this forum from the moment I joined. I want to figure everything out for myself as much as possible, but it's just not possible to look up (and find!) everything. Thus, here are the questions that I can't find an answer for myself:
1) How do I change the standard SW keyboard, without it resetting after a soft reset? (E.g. to blackstone keyboard)
Use either Sktools to set it as default (it then uses a small program that starts up in startup folder) or Sipchange http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=271008 (not certain if this one works anymore)
2) How do I change a registry value, without it resetting after a soft reset, when it normally does? (For instance the value whether your headset is plugged in, I want it to be default ON.)
the headset is a tricky one, one way would be to run a script (mortscript maybe) to change the reg entry at startup, but I don't know how often the headset is polled (if at all) to check whether it's in or not).
3) How can I extract a cab file from a ROM? I would like to get WLive messenger from the stock ROM, but I just can't find a guide anywhere!
depends on whether it's a cab or not, unlikely. First you need to extract the rom, there are plenty of threads on this. but's it's obvious if you've tried a rom kitchen, you bung the ruu-signed.nbh in the baserom folder, start the kitchen.cmd and follow the instructions.
Then pour over all the folders and see if there's a cab. If there isn't you need to build one.
search for quickcab as a start (although that one doesn't allow you to import reg files (or *.rgu as they come out in the roms) so you have to do it manually.
4) Is there a way to fix the problem that occurs with the HW keyboard when Blackstone SW keyboard is installed? The problem is the first keytap not being registered correctly, so the first letter ends up being the second or later. Call it input lag.
use a different keyboard, I've not had this issue, but then I prefer the raphael one. There's plenty of other free keyboards about, lifes too short to work out why the software keyboard off one piece of hardware doesn't work with another.. ;P
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-keyboard-1-date.html
I intend to add the found answers to this post, as well as add other hard to answer questions others may have. That is, if an answer exists. Thanks in advance for those who try to help.
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yellowjaap none of those are hard to find answers for questions,
just ones lazy people who can't be bothered to read ask.

fards said:
yellowjaap none of those are hard to find answers for questions,
just ones lazy people who can't be bothered to read ask.
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Haha, I'm afraid you're right on that one fards.
Thanks for your replies, can you give me a link to the raphael keyboard? I'd like to check it out.
Also, I've got tools to create a cab, but extracting a ROM the way you proposed will probably prove difficult, I'll look into it.
The headset value is polled by for instance the FM radio and audiobooster from HTC.

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yellowjaap none of those are hard to find answers for questions, just ones lazy people who can't be bothered to read ask.
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Oh yeah You're soooo bl**dy right
I owe you another beer fards
A "please search and read!!" SUPER POP-UP would solve 99% of the ubiquitous questions posts

Angelusz said:
Haha, I'm afraid you're right on that one fards.
Thanks for your replies, can you give me a link to the raphael keyboard? I'd like to check it out.
Also, I've got tools to create a cab, but extracting a ROM the way you proposed will probably prove difficult, I'll look into it.
The headset value is polled by for instance the FM radio and audiobooster from HTC.
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I can't even remember where I got teh keyboard cab from, I'll post it when I get the phone working again!
extracting the rom really is easy, the kitchens make it simple..
that new rom kitchen I linked to makes it even easier, but I still prefer the out and out gui pleasantness that's Pofs Linux rom kitchen
I don't mind answering your's and gtrabs questions, they seem to be the right questions !
just noticed I'm rapidly approaching a kilo posts, must make sure it's not a grumpy post that one...
I managed to miss some text out, but basically when you find the folder containing your desired files take the files out of the folder you want, including the corresponding 409 (or whatever language) folder and stick 'em in the cab software pretty easy to do .
Sometimes it doesn't work so try changing something or try to see if there's a dependency that's missing.
it's really not as secret or hard to do as it's sometimes is made out to be. The hard work has been done by the genius who write the software to let us do this.

turns out it's Smabergs keyboard I use..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2966597

Ah, very nice. Thanks. I've tried smabergs, it has some bugs (landscape mode broken) and it doesn't seem to be supported anymore. Will tinker around with it a bit, as it's good for portrait mode. (Blackstone, but then without the bugs!)

Of course you can find the anwsers to the blackstone cabs, if you would search them all individuality.
I found numerous people asking this question. Call them lazy, but this forum does not make it easier to find information in a convenient way. All i want is to make a nice overview of what all the cabs do and what they look like.
Member Norti has done the same with all the programs/tweaks. If you continue your statement you might also think that topic is unnecessary. I think this forum is very unorganized. Do you think its strange that people keep asking the same questions? I think the problem here is not in the hands of the people asking, but in the forums way of storing data. The search function is not a great tool to search with. Does anyone have some input so we kan make it better?
Maybe this is the wrong topic to post this in, but i thought it was a question many would like to have answered...

yellowjaap said:
Of course you can find the anwsers to the blackstone cabs, if you would search them all individuality.
I found numerous people asking this question. Call them lazy, but this forum does not make it easier to find information in a convenient way. All i want is to make a nice overview of what all the cabs do and what they look like.
Member Norti has done the same with all the programs/tweaks. If you continue your statement you might also think that topic is unnecessary. I think this forum is very unorganized. Do you think its strange that people keep asking the same questions? I think the problem here is not in the hands of the people asking, but in the forums way of storing data. The search function is not a great tool to search with. Does anyone have some input so we kan make it better?
Maybe this is the wrong topic to post this in, but i thought it was a question many would like to have answered...
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Fair enough. Do me a favor and move that post to a seperate topic, it's quite long.

The new Forum GUI doesn't work on HD2

First of all: I like this forum, it is really a good place to find and exchange informations. Congratulations to the team!
But the new layout/GUI of the forum sucks! At least, when you try to do it with your mobile device.
Usually I go with my HD2 in the forum. Normally through a Post, which I have received through the RSS Feed. If I'm interested in the thread, I subscribe to it.
But with the new layout it is not possible to click and open the thread tools. Just nothing happens.
And especially for a forum which is about mobile devices, this is an absolute NoGO!
Some technical details - I use
- HTC HD2
- StockROM 1.66.407.1
- Opera Mobile 10
- CHT 1.8
Would be really good, if anyone could find the bug.
Hugo the JungleDyret

Hi,
when i use my HD2 with Wifi, i can read the board. It needs some time to load, but it is possible.
But when i'm on the way and try to load it over GPRS or UMTS (if available), it loads only some little parts and then stops. So i can maybe read the first one or two postings of a thread.
With the "old" layout all was fine and easy. So i think, the new layout is not really mobile-campatible.
For the users it should be possible to change the layout between the currently and a mobile-friendly modus.
Greetings
Hardy

Spiogent said:
Hi,
when i use my HD2 with Wifi, i can read the board. It needs some time to load, but it is possible.
But when i'm on the way and try to load it over GPRS or UMTS (if available), it loads only some little parts and then stops. So i can maybe read the first one or two postings of a thread.
With the "old" layout all was fine and easy. So i think, the new layout is not really mobile-campatible.
For the users it should be possible to change the layout between the currently and a mobile-friendly modus.
Greetings
Hardy
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I actually contacted the Owners/Mods about this, the reply was, in a nutshell, "A mobile version is on the list, but a lot of stuff going on right now, so it is not a priority" ...
I am sure they will get to it at some point, but I did see somewhere a way to switch back to the old view ... hmmm will have to look for that again ...
EDIT: under http://forum.xda-developers.com/profile.php?do=editoptions , the very last option choose the custom skin ... it is the old version ...

Hmm. I can't recall having any issues with the new skin on opera 9.7.

Running also great here on Opera 9.7 .

I don't read it much on my HD2, mostly on the PC. One thing I hate though is the threads I've replied in don't show up as so when there's new post even though there's suppose to be a little down arrow in the thread icon. The icon does show if there are no new post though.