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Should I buy One?

Hello all, I am very sorry if the answers to these questions are posted else where but I just could not find them.
I am looking to upgrade my XDA II and this has caught my eye. Im trying to get it on Orange, so first does anyone know a release date for Orange?
Secondly I like this and especially the WiFi capability, internet access is very important for me. How good is the WiFi capability?
Probably lastly can I answer the phone without opening it all up, I would much prefer to be able to press a button and answer like I can with the XDA, the idea of opening, looking who is calling and answering with the whole lot open or closing and ignoring is a put off really.
So can anybody help, or can people recommend this device or would they suggest I go for a different device.
Many Thanks
James

If you are heavy Phone user then you wont be happy with JJ ....
1st its PDA and then comes Phone functions with it...
As everyone agreed in here, Phone users are not yet comfortable with it...
Another honest opinion about it is... TOO COSTLY FOR NOTHING.... so if u can wait for a while.

Not true!!!
It is very good for making calls too. Use a BT headset with caller ID like the Jabra BT800 or the SonyEricsson HBH-660/662 and you wont even touch your phone to make or receive calls. BT voice dial is simply fantastic.
As a PDA, its absolutely FAB!!!
Cost factor, i agree. It is tad expensive

Thanks for the repliies, I am not to worried about the cost, Orange reckon due to my history with them it could well be free.
It just worries me that it has to be opened before you can see who is calling, it is a shame there wasnt a button to answer or dial on the front.
Also these caller ID headsets, how do they work? do they just say the number to you or am I getting the totally wrong end of the stick?
Also any ideas on price of these headsets?

I have the i-mate JasJar version of the Universal, and I am very very very impressed with it. It's a very well rounded device, and sure, there are a few quirks, but they are very minor in my opinion.
You can definitely answer and hang up the phone without opening it. There are two buttons on the side for answer and hang up, so you don't actually need to open the phone to answer. Also, if you use an application like voice command, your phone will tell you who is calling.
I use the wifi at home and I don't have any problems with it. I do wish they would have put in 802.11g, but hey, it's only for internet, so you don't really need that kind of speed just yet.
As for the bluetooth headsets, some of them support the caller ID feature via a little screen on the headset. I have heard different people say that their headset displays only the number, but others have said they display name too. I think the Jabra BT 800 is one that displays only the number with the JasJar, and I think I have heard that the SonyEricsson headsets display the name too. I am not 100% sure though.

Headsets
Can you clarify whether or not you can voice dial from a bluetooth headset WITHOUT first opening up the phone. I have seen some people say yes to this questions, and others say no.
I am happy from what I have read so far that you can ANSWER a call via bluetooth headset without opening up the EXEC, but what I really need to know is about MAKING a call via the bluetooth headset without opening the EXEC.
Thanks in advance
Mike

Universal BT headset survey

Please list what BT headset do you use with your Universal and the Pros and Cons. I'm in the market looking for the best BT headset for the Universal so I'll need as many feedbacks as possible, thanks all

As if you'd need warning, but I would (on the whole) advise against going for a cheapy clip-on one. I bought one a while ago on the basis that (a) it was cheap and (b) I didn't want to strap a 2.4GHz mini-microwave oven to my head :lol:
It works ok, but is just about fiddly enough to make me stay with a wired setup or speakerphone.
From what I've read in other posts, there isn't yet a bt headset that integrates with the ppc well enough to show the name of the caller. I think that until that one's resolved I'll be holding fire anyway.
[OK, I know it's not a particularly helpful addition to the thread, but at least it bumps it, right ]

Sony Ericsson HBH-660
+ Small
+ Light
+ Cool display
- Display only displays number with HTC devices
- Battery life poor
Jabra BT800
+ Battery last for ages
+ Really big display
- Takes ages to pick up a call
- Display only shows number with HTC devices
- Big

Hi,
I hope you people can help.
I looking for a Bluetooth headset thats got a a little display.
Hopefully this will display information like time, person calling, and possible scroll through contacts.
Due to the size of the Exec, I would like to store this in a backpack when out and about. And a smartheadset would really help.

Jabra BT800
Long battery life
Quick recharge
Reliable
Light
I never look at the display, other than to see the charge status.

din007 said:
Hi,
I hope you people can help.
I looking for a Bluetooth headset thats got a a little display.
Hopefully this will display information like time, person calling, and possible scroll through contacts.
Due to the size of the Exec, I would like to store this in a backpack when out and about. And a smartheadset would really help.
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BT headsets with displays don't display anything other than the caller number when used with HTC devices such as the Universal. Not sure why.

Smartphones need Smartheadsets..
Its just the XDA Exec is to big to carry in your jacket pocket.
And you need to open it everytime you need to call someon.
Living in london you get some looks on the underground.
And majority of all streetcrime involves mobile crime.
I`ve been toying with the of idea of a Mini-XDA Exec....
A device that small enough to fit into your pocket.
Snycs between the headset & XDA Exec.
With a display for Caller ID, Contacts, SMS...(Basic phone functions)
This would be a top seller..

I agree this would cost but would be perfect.
No more fearing getting mugged at the station.
No more being a flash git in the pub.
No more carring a brick in your pocket.
HTC should consider designing accessories.

Both the SE HBH-608 and Jabra Bt800 workl well. The battery life on the HBH-608 is just fantastic. I get about 8 days of use from it (it is on 10 hours a day). Ear piece volume is low on both models when used with the JJ. Need to test my HBH-300 and Jabra BT330.
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"

SE HBH 662
Just got my SE HBH 662. It's small, lightweight, seems comfortable. So far sound quality seems good on both ends.
I'm new to this headset business, so I'm not the best one to offer comparisons. I bought this model based on remarks on this and other forums, and so far my impression is that I have definitely benefited from the collective wisdom of great online communities like this one.
Thanks All.

I tried with Motorola HS850 and Jabra BT 250V.. Dont think they are made for jasjar... I know both of them doesnt have Display, was hoping to good sound quality.... But I was not lucky enough.

SE HBH-300
10 hours talk time, 300 hours standy.
Sound quality on an 02 XDA Exec is okay but not as good as with an SE P910i. The XDA's bluetooth suffers from static background noise.

jah said:
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"
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This is correct.
HTC state that their devices do have a handsfee profile. No idea why they can't pass the caller ID to the headset though.

Jabra BT 800 is OK with me.
*Long battery life.
*Discharging in short time.
*Big display screen.
*Big, but light.
*Easy to use.
*Can make calls from the Head Set for the last 10 Nos. without needing to open the phone.
*Reliable.
I was using sony erricson before buying the Jabra, but Jabra is far better than sony erricson........sony erricson battery dies in a couple of hours standby.
Regards,

I did try my hbh-660 just to see if it would work but shortly after changed over to my preferred bluespoon AX which works fine with the voice dialling etc. no issues there for me

rilot said:
jah said:
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"
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This is correct.
HTC state that their devices do have a handsfee profile. No idea why they can't pass the caller ID to the headset though.
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Guys, the phone number is the exact caller ID you're after. It is working as advertised. However, what you want is the _name_ behind the caller ID. Not sure if this is specified in the bluetooth specs, though...

problem with Jabra bt800
Has anybody experienced a crap sound with Jabra?
I can hear pretty well, but the person on the other side complains a "drummy" sound.
I tried deleting the pairing and restoring it, same results.
Any thought?
:shock:

I use the HBH-662, very comfortable, shows the number, has improved the voice quality 10 fold and sounds alot better than using the phone itself, dont use my phone without it anymore regardless of where i am.

This is strange. My SE HBH-662 (BT 1.2) works perfectly with my Jam and shows the caller-id as long as the number exists in the Outlook AB. IT doesn't show the number then, just the name. In the absence of a name, it will show the number only.

stamppot said:
rilot said:
jah said:
Edit: @rilot, for caller ID to work you need a particular BT profile, the Se P910i does support the profile, which I think is the "hand free profile"
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This is correct.
HTC state that their devices do have a handsfee profile. No idea why they can't pass the caller ID to the headset though.
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Guys, the phone number is the exact caller ID you're after. It is working as advertised. However, what you want is the _name_ behind the caller ID. Not sure if this is specified in the bluetooth specs, though...
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No it isn't
They both display the caller name when used with my SE P910i

Jabra BT800 - yes or no?

Hi!
I was about to buy another bluetooth headset and am seriously considering the jabra bt800.
I had a Jabra bt250v....which recently took a spin in my washing machine, now rendered worthless
The problems with my 250v were -
1. Lots of static noise (phone in my pocket)
2. Bad range
3. Most times, the voice dial wouldnt pick up, when i hit the button on the jabra (this i think is a ms ppc os problem though)
Having said that, i think the bt800 would be better due to their new DSP technology, and of course the btooth 1.2 specifications. A few questions i have though -
1. How is the audio quality when you keep your device in a tight jeans pant for instance?
2. Whats the range of the device?
3. Does the caller id display the name in my address book?
4. How's the battery life?
And the last question, is it worth buying it....and will i regret it???!
Thanks!
San

With the Universal:
- okay sound quality
- no caller name just number on the display
- good battery life as long as you run down before first full charge
- range is good but is limited by the Universal not the BT800
Yes it is worth buying but be aware that on the ear it may not feel as secure as the BT250

jah said:
With the Universal:
- okay sound quality
- no caller name just number on the display
- good battery life as long as you run down before first full charge
- range is good but is limited by the Universal not the BT800
Yes it is worth buying but be aware that on the ear it may not feel as secure as the BT250
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I heard some of the devices, when paired with, reveal the contact name in the address book too....i saw it on a couple reviews. Strange that the universal cant do something like that...
Have you tried with the latest Jasjar ROM? (with aku2?)
Thanks for your feedback Jah...
cheers,
S

@dreamtheatre, I have not tried the latest Universal ROM as I am waiting for O2 to release their version. But I do have the latest BT800 firmware for Europe. For transfer of the Contacts details you need the handfree BT profile (or is the heaset profile?) - not sure if the latest ROM supports both BT profiles though.

I have not got that working
More to the point, I can not find any settings on my universal or BT800 for remote sim or remote contact access which is needed to access the address book.
I would love to leave my universal in my bag and make a call from the headset accessing my address book.
I see no menu in the BT800 to allow this.
Hope I am wrong and someone can tell em how to do it!
I have latest t-mobile a2dp rom and latest jabra rom

@GDawes, I don't think the BT800 allows remote access, it allows previously used numbers (people who call you) to be called from the headset. I think the Tekkeon ET3000 gives you the function to access the address book, but not with the Universal as fas I know.

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GDawes said:
More to the point, I can not find any settings on my universal or BT800 for remote sim or remote contact access which is needed to access the address book.
I would love to leave my universal in my bag and make a call from the headset accessing my address book.
I see no menu in the BT800 to allow this.
Hope I am wrong and someone can tell em how to do it!
I have latest t-mobile a2dp rom and latest jabra rom
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I guess my question wasn't lucid enough....
what I meant to ask was...if the display on the headset shows the caller's name which is taken from the address book on the device.
Does it?? please tell me it does!
thanks,
San

BT800
The BT800 does not show the name even with the latest ROM. It only shows the number of the person that is calling you.

@dreamtheatre,
there are two functions:
1. When you get a call, the name of the caller is extracted from the address book
2. You can scan through your full address book from your headset to make a call
Now, for #1 I know you need both handfree and headset BT profiles, for #2 I have only seen the Tekkeon and I think some SE headsets that claim they can do this. But I think you need both BT profiles. I do not think this is the case for the Universal. I hope someone with the latest ROM can verify the BT profiles that are supported.
(my free Moto v3x supports both BT profiles and yes with my Tekkeon I can see who is calling me - but the HTC Universal may be behind the curve a bit)

jah said:
@dreamtheatre,
there are two functions:
1. When you get a call, the name of the caller is extracted from the address book
2. You can scan through your full address book from your headset to make a call
Now, for #1 I know you need both handfree and headset BT profiles, for #2 I have only seen the Tekkeon and I think some SE headsets that claim they can do this. But I think you need both BT profiles. I do not think this is the case for the Universal. I hope someone with the latest ROM can verify the BT profiles that are supported.
(my free Moto v3x supports both BT profiles and yes with my Tekkeon I can see who is calling me - but the HTC Universal may be behind the curve a bit)
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thanks for the detailed reply m8!
Its a pity that this 200kg monster cant send out a friggin name :twisted: arghhh!
again, somethings dont change.....we got to wait for our sweet monopolistic company to release a rom upgrade....we know how long that can be! (well, i actually love MS )
cheers,
S

well, you guys still didnt answer my question........
do i buy it or not??????!!!
best,
San

@dreamtheatre, after a bit of reflection I suggest you buy a modern SE BT headset with caller ID as the DSP capability (for reducing background noise etc) of the newer SE headset will better than the 2 year old design of the BT800. Also I have found the newer SE headsets to be more comfortable and lighter.

Another annoying point of bt800
The BT800 only pairs to a single device at a time.
My moto ht820 support multiple connections which is nice, I have my universal as my phone paired, and my magician with a2dp paired as an mp3 player. When I get a call it is routed throught headset and music is paused.
Wanted to connect my BT800 to laptop for Voip and mobile phone, but forced to choose 1 the other.
Also the design is not that re assuring , have the feeling it could fall off at any moment

I have the V3 BTH-8 and Im quite happy with it. i think it's cheaper, lighter, faster, better than Jabra bt800...but Im not ecstatic since it has the same problem as BT800. It just shows the number not the name. It says it's able to show the name and even browse the phone book of other models.. but not our beloved universal. I hope someone comes out with an upgrade for our phone so that i can maximize my V3 headset..

cuteangelika said:
I have the V3 BTH-8 and Im quite happy with it. i think it's cheaper, lighter, faster, better than Jabra bt800...but Im not ecstatic since it has the same problem as BT800. It just shows the number not the name. It says it's able to show the name and even browse the phone book of other models.. but not our beloved universal. I hope someone comes out with an upgrade for our phone so that i can maximize my V3 headset..
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After i saw your earlier post where you mentioned about your oled headset, thats ever since i've been thrown into a dilemma (i never knew the v3 headset existed!). Now i'm finding it hard to make a choice...
According to the feature sheet, the oled claims more (15 number history compared to 10 - i know i'm being a little anal here , and address book browsing etc.)
The problem though, I dont seem to find a distributor here in this god forsaken place :evil:
I'm trying to get it from a friend of mine who's currently in singapore....if he manages to find it, i might just end up with one of those....lets see
btw, ca....you have no major issues with it, do you? Stuff like static noise, or interference problems, or whatever may be! ??
cheers,
S

I have both the Jabra BT800 and the Tekkeon 3000. Both are good units but the Jabra has better sound quality when used with my Exec. I have also used both units with a XDA Mini S for about 2 weeks and came to the same conclusion. With the Mini S, I was able to pull the phone book but it was a pain. It allows you to scroll from a to z one name at a time, one number per name at a time. This means that if you have say 50 names with 2 numbers each (mobile number and home number) then you would have to press the button 20 times just to get to the 10 person in my phonebook and the second number for that person. When I first read about this feature I was exicited but in application it is a pain so this is not a feature I will be using. Other than that the features are pretty close and with the Tekeon coming out alittle ahead with last 15 number recall versa the last 10 of the Jabra.
The Jabra (with it's out dated looks) has become my choice for 2 reasons, sound quality (as mentioned above) and upgradability. The Jabra can be firmware upgraded by the user as Jabra releases new code so it may be possible to have new features in the future.
Just my humble opinion

Batman - agree about the scrolling problem with the Tekkeon but its battery life, for me at least, has been much better than wih the BT800. The funny thing is that my 3 year old SE HBH-200 can do basically what the BT800 is designed to do (i.e. caller ID and making calls from the headset).

WOULDNT BUY IT AT ALL.
I have installed latest ROM, and use BT800. No caller ID. But this could be sortly solved with latest firmware.
Dont like sound quality. To be more precise, almost nobody understands me while using it. If I am in the street, forget about having a conversation. Metallical sound, etc.
Despite some things I have read before, not that good battery life I'd say.
In the end, I dont like it, but check out more opinions. Mine is a little bit "oriented" as I am so with it.

@jmcl, as I said before the digital signal processing technology of the BT800 is now 2 years old. The latest SE phones are better for noise reduction or you can use the HBH-300 with a very good boom mic.

@jah
what nextgen headsets from SE are you talking about? I dont find any headsets from SE with a display on it (except for one, which is totally lame )
is there something i'm missing?
thanks for all your views guys,
San

Bluetooth Headset recommendation?

Now i have finally got a working ATHENA (after over a month!)
I realise that as a phone its pretty Enormous to put it mildly.
Can someone recommend me a bluetooth headset that works well with it, i was thinking of the LG Style i but it is not on sale in the uk (like a mini phone)
cheers

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spacecat said:
Now i have finally got a working ATHENA (after over a month!)
I realise that as a phone its pretty Enormous to put it mildly.
Can someone recommend me a bluetooth headset that works well with it, i was thinking of the LG Style i but it is not on sale in the uk (like a mini phone)
cheers
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If you actually search this forum and other forums (eg the General forum) you will find numerous reviews / comparisons of bluetooth headsets. Please don't lets start yet another thread on the same thing.
For what it's worth (and as I've made clear in other threads in answer to similar questions) I favour the Jabra BT8010.

spacecat said:
Now i have finally got a working ATHENA (after over a month!)
I realise that as a phone its pretty Enormous to put it mildly.
Can someone recommend me a bluetooth headset that works well with it, i was thinking of the LG Style i but it is not on sale in the uk (like a mini phone)
cheers
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Highly recommended, Jabra BT8010 (combined with Jetware for Caller ID that can show names instead of number). The second choice would be i.Tech Clip D.

I have the 8010, but do like the look of the Style-i from LG - and the fact it has keys to dial with. The problem with the 8010 is that if it isn't a number you've already entered into its phone book, you can't dial the number. No surprise there and still more useful than most other headsets, which is why I bought it together with the vibrate and bt stereo. But I would like to limit how often I bring the phone out of my pocket - particularly at weekends or when walking about.
The only thing is, other than ordering through the US, I can't find anywhere that stocks the Style-i.
Hmph
Ant

Anton.Valleyman said:
I have the 8010, but do like the look of the Style-i from LG - and the fact it has keys to dial with. The problem with the 8010 is that if it isn't a number you've already entered into its phone book, you can't dial the number. No surprise there and still more useful than most other headsets, which is why I bought it together with the vibrate and bt stereo. But I would like to limit how often I bring the phone out of my pocket - particularly at weekends or when walking about.
The only thing is, other than ordering through the US, I can't find anywhere that stocks the Style-i.
Hmph
Ant
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May be you can try to use voice dial for dialing numbers.

My Style-I will be going on eBay as soon as my Jawbone arrives.... I'll post a note here to say it's available.

Pantaloonie said:
My Style-I will be going on eBay as soon as my Jawbone arrives.... I'll post a note here to say it's available.
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Welcome to Jawbone. I hope you ordered the jabra eargel (discussed already in the athena forum) so you can have a perfect fit. You may need to twist the earloop a bit as "all ears are not equal". And remember to let it rest on your JAW and not on your CHEEK

BlueAnt V12 -- vibrate is really helpful, shows number received on lcd (no names though), great range. plus a nice price for the feature set...

Question about using the Advantage as a phone.

Hi I am sooo tempted to get the Advantage but the fact it doesn't have an earpiece really kind of kills it for me. I don't voice talk that much so if it had a earpiece I wouldn't mind holding it up to my ear and looking like a dork for the total of 5 or 10 mins a day I'm on the phone talking. Most of it I do in my car anyway which could be on speaker. But,... the times I may only have it on me and I don't want anyone to hear my conversation I'd like to talk. Bluetooth headsets are very annoying to me. It's something else I have to carry around try not to lose and keep charged. Another device to babysit. So I don't want to go that route.
Some people said if you put the volume way down to maybe one notch that it might work. Does anyone do this or have another alternative... That screen is awesome. And I think I could even front pocket it in cargo pants. But the voice talking is an issue for me. Carrying around a uber small voice phone isn't an option either as I'll need another plan because I'd like to take advantage(pun not really intended) of the 3G.
Thanks.

juiceppc said:
Hi I am sooo tempted to get the Advantage but the fact it doesn't have an earpiece really kind of kills it for me. I don't voice talk that much so if it had a earpiece I wouldn't mind holding it up to my ear and looking like a dork for the total of 5 or 10 mins a day I'm on the phone talking. Most of it I do in my car anyway which could be on speaker. But,... the times I may only have it on me and I don't want anyone to hear my conversation I'd like to talk. Bluetooth headsets are very annoying to me. It's something else I have to carry around try not to lose and keep charged. Another device to babysit. So I don't want to go that route.
Some people said if you put the volume way down to maybe one notch that it might work. Does anyone do this or have another alternative... That screen is awesome. And I think I could even front pocket it in cargo pants. But the voice talking is an issue for me. Carrying around a uber small voice phone isn't an option either as I'll need another plan because I'd like to take advantage(pun not really intended) of the 3G.
Thanks.
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Unfortunately, even if you adjust the volume to the lowest, your conversation could still be overheard by those around you, especially in quite environment.
Another factor to consider is that because it is a speaker phone, when making VOIP calls, the voice of the other party coming out of the speaker will feed back to him again, hence creating the echo on the other side.
I overcome both of these problem without using blue tooth. I use wired headset, which I need for music anyway. It needs no charging.

I know that you have stated that you don't want to carry around another device. Personally, I don't like the 'wired' headset option. I too, think that the BT headset is uncomfortable, akward and most of the time annoying as it isn't right wearing it for 8 hours during a normal work day and to use it for 15 or 20 minutes of that time (or even for an hour).
I have been using the Dopod U1000 (aka Athena) since it became available in the US in April. I had the Plantronics 640, and the JawBone headsets but have since put them away. I use the Lg Style I during the day and leave the Athena docked at my desk uless I need to move out of BT Range, then I move the Athena with me but keep the Style-I at hand. It is smaller than a typical highlighter pen, shows caller ID numbers, has its own dial pad and holds its own for call quality, privacy and function as a 'micro-phone' handset extension for the Athena or any other PDA 'brick' phone. By the way, I also use JetWare Mobile BT extension to help the functionality with various BT car and hands free kits.
I will not hold the Athena up next to my ear.

BT Headset is the only way to go with the Athena
Just my 2 cents worth, but for me, a wired headset is far more cumbersome than sticking a BT Headset in my ear!
It really isn't that bad. Especially if you spend very little time per day making/receiving phonecalls.
I use the Plantronics 640 with vibrate mode, so never miss a call and only put it in my ear when I get a phonecall, or when I'm driving.
I don't get it. How is sticking a little BT device more cumbersome to stick in your ear for the duration of a call than holding a much larger mobile phone to your ear, for which you also constantly loose the use of your left/right hand?
Also, my BT headpiece lasts 3 days without needing a recharge when I make/receive limited calls, plus it has an additional lighter-like extention that keeps it charged for up to 15 hours, if your a heavy user. I've never even had to use it to date.
As for listening to music on the go, I quite like using the earpiece to route sound to it, as I have at least one ear free to be aware of what's going on around me.
Each to their own I guess, but IMHO if your not willing to use BT earpiece, the Athena is not for you.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm still tempted. If I do get it I will probably either end up caving in and using a Jabra jx10 I have or just not take calls in public...
Maybe I'll look into finding the flattest/smallest BT headset I can find and adding on a little compartment for it on the Advantage.

mackaby007 said:
Just my 2 cents worth, but for me, a wired headset is far more cumbersome than sticking a BT Headset in my ear!
It really isn't that bad. Especially if you spend very little time per day making/receiving phonecalls.
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It does seem that a BT headset is the way to go, but battery life does concern me - what kind of hit is there on the Advantage battery as a result of having the headset on and connected the whole time? Do you get through a whole day with it connected but only light/moderate use (say 20 min of calls)?

FWIW I've had the Advantage x7500 for a couple months and routinely use it as a phone, although my call volume is low. In my car I have a BT setup so whenever I'm in the car the Advantage is automatically linked and I can control my "phone" from my steering wheel. But in the office or at home, I just use it as a speaker phone -- I move away from other folks so I'm not a nuisance, but it's really not much different from other folks using their cellphones, except if someone is close to me (2-3 feet) they could hear my caller. I've even received and made calls while outside and, surprisingly, no problem hearing the call or being heard. It's a really well-designed device.

Just buy an LG Style I.
http://reviews.cnet.com/front-door/lg-style-i/4505-1_7-31826853.html
It's the only way to go.

Ameo upgrade coming
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!

Had my Style-i for months now and i LOVEe it - very useful - plus there's a safety feature too... if you're walking along and you get your 'phone' snatched, all they'll get is a £30 bluetooth gizmo that is useless.... you Ameo will be safe. They'll assume the Style-i is your phone and wont mug you for the actual one so you can get away!​

Here's the ultimate solution. IMHO .
A BT headset that fits inside the bigger device. Like it docks in or something. And charges while the host device is charging. That way you don't really have another devicer to carry around per se and/or worry about charging. I mean you do but you don't have to do it seperately. And you kind of dont' have to worry about carrying it around or wearing it when you not taking calls. Advantage rings, pick out head set, talk, hang up, put headset back in Advantage, done. I like that. I like that a lot.
You hearing this HTC?
Or just put the dang earpiece in there and let me look like a dork and call it a day. Sheesh.

adamelphick said:
Had my Style-i for months now and i LOVEe it - very useful - plus there's a safety feature too... if you're walking along and you get your 'phone' snatched, all they'll get is a £30 bluetooth gizmo that is useless.... you Ameo will be safe. They'll assume the Style-i is your phone and wont mug you for the actual one so you can get away!​
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Cheers, your response did make me feel better, although i still have some reservations on living with an ameo (read travelling)(p.s. gona be moving to London). Perhaps at some point the I style solution info+tweaks could be added to the wiki. Ive been following many athena posts (although im only a hermey for now(hermes) and reading the Tmobile business users thread makes me feel they might discontinue the phone by oct-nov 07; its out of stock on their uk website since over 10 days.
Update: Ok the Ameo is now in stock on the Tmobile uk website (just checked after posting)

juiceppc said:
Here's the ultimate solution. IMHO .
A BT headset that fits inside the bigger device. Like it docks in or something. And charges while the host device is charging. That way you don't really have another devicer to carry around per se and/or worry about charging. I mean you do but you don't have to do it seperately. And you kind of dont' have to worry about carrying it around or wearing it when you not taking calls. Advantage rings, pick out head set, talk, hang up, put headset back in Advantage, done. I like that. I like that a lot.
You hearing this HTC?
Or just put the dang earpiece in there and let me look like a dork and call it a day. Sheesh.
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BOOYA!
http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/samsung-bt-headset-removable.jpg

stryker1355 said:
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
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You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.

stryker1355 said:
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
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You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.

veethree said:
It does seem that a BT headset is the way to go, but battery life does concern me - what kind of hit is there on the Advantage battery as a result of having the headset on and connected the whole time? Do you get through a whole day with it connected but only light/moderate use (say 20 min of calls)?
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Take a look at the below link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1430475&postcount=36

leoni1980 said:
You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.
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Technically you are carrying to devices and that I definitely do not want to do.

lpsi2000 said:
Technically you are carrying two devices and that I definitely do not want to do.
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That's kind of why I don't want to carry a BT headset.

juiceppc said:
That's kind of why I don't want to carry a BT headset.
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The BT headset is different for me, it is an accessory needed for the phone. I have been using BT Headset for a least 4 years with every phone I had within that time frame.

lpsi2000 said:
The BT headset is different for me, it is an accessory needed for the phone. I have been using BT Headset for a least 4 years with every phone I had within that time frame.
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Not to mention that anyone not using a headset and calling while driving is certainly more prone to accidents holding and/or dialing from the phone.
Brad