Hello everyone,
I have a Cingular 8125 and I'm thinking of switching to Sprint for their data coverage in my area. I've tweaked my phone with all of the treats this site has to offer and I've really grown fond of Stereo bluetooth.
Can anyone here tell me if the Sprint Mogul has A2DP available out of the box or if not, has someone created a workaround? I've looked all over and can't find an answer.
Thanks for your help
I have both a Tytn and the Mogul (Titan).
I will try the BT stereo tomorrow and let you know.
Brad
Switching from AT&T to Sprint... an opinion.
Where are you located? I recently dropped AT&T (after more than 6 years with them)... My business partner was recently dropped by Sprint (via one of their now infamous letters) after nearly ten years... and we both switched to Alltel.
I can't speak with any authority on Sprint's roaming agreements, but I do know that Alltel has agreements in place with both Sprint and Verizon for data coverage. Which means that EVDO in any market is accessible for me and has been very fast so far (I average 500-800 Kbps on the fringe and 1-1.5 Mbps in the well-covered areas).
If you live in an area that is covered by Alltel, I can't recommend them strongly enough over Sprint. Alltel is a smaller comapny with better customer service (you can get a real person on the phone in less than five minutes) and has better data roaming agreements... but I recommend some research before a switch.
Cheers,
Mick
Hi Mick,
I live in Southeast Kansas and my area is well served by Alltel. I used to be a subscriber and had excellent service coverage. I jumped because of an "all in" service plan through Southwestern Bell. I would consider them again in a heartbeat, but they don't seem to offer a phone like the Titan (that I can tell anyway). The do offer the PPC6700, but I prefer a phone without the antenna. and I would like a faster processor than my current phone (Wizard) Another factor playing here is that my Brother in law works for Sprint and I might be able to get a discount on my service agreement through him.
All that being said, I would not consider Sprint if they hadn't made their roaming agreement with Alltel. Maybe by the time I make the switch this fall Alltel will have the newer phone too. I recommend Alltel to anyone who can get it.
Thanks for writing
Rick
whoa, Alltel can roam on verizons EVDO?! or just 1XRTT???
zanda61 said:
Hello everyone,
I have a Cingular 8125 and I'm thinking of switching to Sprint for their data coverage in my area. I've tweaked my phone with all of the treats this site has to offer and I've really grown fond of Stereo bluetooth.
Can anyone here tell me if the Sprint Mogul has A2DP available out of the box or if not, has someone created a workaround? I've looked all over and can't find an answer.
Thanks for your help
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I've been using a TyTn on At&T's network for 6 months and the Titan (Mogul) on Sprint's for the past month. Before that, I used an HTC Blue Angle, and a Wizard on T-Mobile's Network. Here are my conclusions.
I live in Salt Lake City, Utah where AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon have great 3G coverage. I'm get 600 to 1200 kpbs a lot of the time on both AT&T and Sprint. In the rural areas, all I get is Edge data speeds with AT&T which is 70 to 140 kbps. The funny thing is that Sprint has 3G running in a lot of small towns in Utah. The speed in those towns is unbelievable. Also, when traveling , I notice that I'm getting 3G speeds in many more cities with the Sprint than with the AT&T. The funny thing is that at my home, I have better AT&T service than Sprint. So I keep the TyTN and wait for the Kaiser also.
As far as a comparison of the Mogul and TyTN. The TyTn is heavier and the build quality seems a little better (it may be the TyTN's weight makes it feel better built). I prefer the D pad of the TyTn to that of the Mogul, but the Mogul's works great.
All in all the software that comes on the Mogul is just as fast as any I've flashed on the TyTN. With cabs one can customize it sufficiently until some great ROM chef figures out how to crack the Mogul.
All things considered, the Mogul is a great value (they have a deal going at $299.00) I bought two for my family also.
The only downside is not being able to switch the SIM card from one phone to another.
rambo6 said:
I've been using a TyTn on At&T's network for 6 months and the Titan (Mogul) on Sprint's for the past month. Before that, I used an HTC Blue Angle, and a Wizard on T-Mobile's Network. Here are my conclusions.
I live in Salt Lake City, Utah where AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon have great 3G coverage. I'm get 600 to 1200 kpbs a lot of the time on both AT&T and Sprint. In the rural areas, all I get is Edge data speeds with AT&T which is 70 to 140 kbps. The funny thing is that Sprint has 3G running in a lot of small towns in Utah. The speed in those towns is unbelievable. Also, when traveling , I notice that I'm getting 3G speeds in many more cities with the Sprint than with the AT&T. The funny thing is that at my home, I have better AT&T service than Sprint. So I keep the TyTN and wait for the Kaiser also.
As far as a comparison of the Mogul and TyTN. The TyTn is heavier and the build quality seems a little better (it may be the TyTN's weight makes it feel better built). I prefer the D pad of the TyTn to that of the Mogul, but the Mogul's works great.
All in all the software that comes on the Mogul is just as fast as any I've flashed on the TyTN. With cabs one can customize it sufficiently until some great ROM chef figures out how to crack the Mogul.
All things considered, the Mogul is a great value (they have a deal going at $299.00) I bought two for my family also.
The only downside is not being able to switch the SIM card from one phone to another.
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I agree 100%!
I am also in Utah, (Heber City) and am lucky enough to be in one of those small rural areas where Sprint data is much faster than AT&T's.
The main thing keeping me hanging on to my Tytn is that I might want to sell it when the Kaiser becomes available. Intergrated GPS with Sirf III radio will eliminate the need for me to carry my additional ITrek m5+ BT GPS. But Sprint's cheaper data plans can't be beat.
Also I tried the BT headphones today on my Mogul and they worksd fine..stereo and all. It took a while for them to pair but once they did, I could listen to MP3s all day without a problem.
Cheers!
AT&T vs. Alltel vs. Sprint
@dcd1182: Yes, Alltel has an EVDO roaming agreement in place with both Sprint and Verizon and I have successfully connected on all three networks. Bear in mind that certain PRL's (Preferred Roaming List's) enable or disable Sprint EVDO roaming... so if you find it necessary to roam on Sprint's network, be sure to load one that enables this.
@zanda61: I'm using a Telus P4000 from Canada (purchased on eBay) and have had little trouble provisioning it for Alltel. I've also successfully used both Sprint and Verizon handsets (including 6700's) on the Alltel network. I found the P4000 for $300, so I took a chance on being able to unlock it (both Sprint and Telus use MSL's to prevent carrier switching).
Now that HTC has issued an update to WM6 for the P4000, I'm much happier about this handset.
I have also talked to my friends that work for Alltel and I'm told that Alltel has already started shipping accessories for the 6800, which is due for release in August.
I hope this is encouraging...
Mick
Very cool. Thanks for all the info, Mick.
Can you tell me if you are able to use the bluetooth to listen to stereo music on the Titan?
I'm probably waiting till October on this switch (2 year agreement) so I might make the jump back to Alltel.
Stereo bluetooth on Titan...
I used the registry edits listed for enabling stereo bluetooth and have had no trouble listening to stereo music on my bluetooth headphones.
Just one note... if you activate your own handset (i.e. purchase one from an eBay seller), you won't be required to initiate a contract with Alltel.
Good luck in October...
Mick
Stereo
I do not use a BT headset for my Mogul but I do use a Shure SE210 e/w a microphone. The one that comes with it is junk! I have connected an ORA adapter that has an extUSB and a 3.5 jack w/ mic. The Ora mic has an answer button on it so when a call comes in I can answer it remotely.
Two Issues I think exist:
1) BT headsets run out of battery, and they do not have a bat life indicator: headset dies mid ride
and
2) I have not found one that has a mic in case a call comes in while you are listening to music
How do you deal with incoming calls? I ride my bike and use the Mogul as an MP3 player.
Bluetooth Stereo Headphones...
@bduerr: I use Anycom BSH 100 headphones... they're inexpensive, definitely not audiophile quality (I was a studio engineer in a previous life), but they have a microphone (that attaches via the mini-USB port) for using the headphones as a hands-free device. This makes them useful for listening to music and taking calls because both profiles can be enabled at once...
In short, these are not going to outshine some of the other headsets available, but for the price (around $60 on eBay), they are very hard to beat.
My battery life tends to be at or about 1.5 hours, YMMV...
Hope this helps,
Mick
I was able to use stereo Bluetooth headphones with my Mogul out of the box. I applied the reg edits that are supposed to increase A2DP sound quality but I didn't really notice a difference.
BT vs. wired
Although BT has it benefits, I am not a big fan. It needs improvements. . .
Per mwheeler2, he only get 1.5 hours on his stereo headset. I can ride my bike for 2 hours or more and if I travel, plane trips go from 2 hrs to over 8 hrs. I have not seen a BT headset that lasts that long.
Improvements: The new cell phones like my Mogul have a good sized screen so why can't I get info on the status of the headset, like battery life, connection stats, etc. and how about putting some controls on the handset for the BT device?
Also, the handset's battery decreases faster with the BT radio on. My Mogul barely makes a day with it checking email every 15 minutes.
When I want to use my BT mono headset, I need to turn on the radio and let the headset sync. If I use my wired headset I can just plug it in and use it. I get notified of status by different beeps that make no sense. Again, why can’t it report these events to the screen?
A friend of mine just purchased a BT GPS, unless it is plugged in to the cigarette lighter (isn't that why we use BT Wireless - wireless?), it lasts only 2 hours. His recent trip from Chicago to Cleveland was over 4 hours, hummmm.
And, I have yet to have the BT connection for Active Sync work consistently. It will sync as a modem or some other device I do not understand but not for PIM (personal information manager).
Wired is definitely more dependable, has a defined quality and never needs to be charged. Not to dis the developers but they need to do a little more on the user’s controls.
I have Jabra BT620's and I get 14 - 15 hours of listening time. That's no exageration, they last forever. The sound quality is pretty good too. Bluetooth isn't perfect, but with BT 2.0 EDR and newer headsets and headphones, it's getting better all the time.
i have bluetrek BT stero headset and it last for hours ive never listen to it for over about 5 hours but its never died on me yet an the sounds good and thats way longer that 1.5 hours
BT battery life...
I described my Bluetooth battery life as 1.5 hours, because (as with any battery that degrades over time) that's how long my headphone battery lasts now. When it was new, my battery in the Anycom headphones lasted ~12 hours. Another solution is to buy a spare battery, which would extend the life to ~24 hours and offer much greater listening time.
As for BT GPS devices, mine (Globalsat BT-338) averages 19 hours of continuous use on batteries and I can also swap the battery if a power source is unavailable. As I rarely drive more than 12 hours in any given day, this has been more than adequate.
On the subject of BT ActiveSync and BT DUN (Dial Up Networking), my handsets (Wizard/8125, Apache/6700 and Titan/P4000) all work flawlessly and I've had no glitches that weren't my own fault.
When considering BT as a wireless connection medium, one must consider that the greatest benefit is convenience and the greatest detriment is reduced security. All BT devices, whether powered by battery or some other auxiliary source, require radio RX/TX with the handset being paired. This does use the handset's battery at a faster rate than it would without the Bluetooth radio enabled... So the question is whether the increased convenience outweighs the shorter battery life, reduced security and setup issues.
For my own use, the pros of Bluetooth devices (in whatever capacity) have far outweighed the cons.
Cheers,
Mick
It all depends on all you want, the mogul does have stereo sound, and if you also care for internet speed then i would go with mogul just for the fact of rev a witch is coming soon, while at&T is just starting on 3g.
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whoa, Alltel can roam on verizons EVDO?! or just 1XRTT???
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Just 1X....
I had Verizon before and now Alltel. My alltel PPC 6800's stereo bluetooth works great out-of-the box with my Jabra BT8010. The agreement that Alltel has with Verizon/Sprint has EV coverage EVERYWHERE I go. Love it. This was quoted from another forum...
"Sprint today took the wraps off of their new data roaming offerings. PCS Intel first reported on data roaming additions in prior PRL updates, but today Sprint confirmed that data roaming would become a major offering off-network.
Alltel and Sprint have entered into a 10-year agreement to offer shared network services across both their networks. While this will save Sprint and Alltel on voice roaming, it also will offer Sprint and Alltel customers access to each other's network 3G services, including EV-DO.
Sprint data roaming will be available at no additional charge over existing data rates, however, many Sprint customers will have to purchase new phones, as prior devices have been programmed to not anticipate data roaming. Most current phones have a debug toggle option to enable data roaming, which while disabled in-firmware, could be turned on via a firmware over-the-air (FOTA) update.
The agreement between the two carriers will take effect July 1st. This development will also pave the way for Sprint to potentially deploy international data roaming, similar to Verizon Wireless, in the near future"
Also read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alltel
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All,
I got a new MDA and for some reason, it just does NOT work in my house all the time. I move my SIM into Razor, works fine. MDA would only work 50% of the time. It can not find T-Mobile network AT ALL! I would go down the street and it will pick up the signal. They I go back home... it works fine... then it will either lose signal and that would be it until i leave the house or, it will be OK for a while... Makes NO sense...
Are their upgrades or anthing i can do? This is specific to cell reception only...
Thank you very much!
wouldnt that mean that its the struture of your house which may be affecting your signal...like them big Iron beams...(not the wooden ones)
thats the only thing i can think of
but he says that his other phone works....
i have the same problem. i had a sidekick2 and a nokia before my mda. at my work (which is in a concrete/brick building) i get zero 0 reseption. my other 2 phones work fine. the other two phones do not have external antenas either. i called tmo cuase i was very pissed after spending XXX.XXX on the phone and having it not work. where as my other phones with the same carrer did. they said that the MDA does have a known problem with ant. weakness.
its so bad im on the fence about returning the phone. but i love the phone so its a tough call. i just switch the sim out at work so i have a phone. such a pain in the ass. i have week left on the 2week buyer remorse buy back. its the other thing i hate about the phone;.
Reception
I'm having the same problem with my mda. this is the second mda I've had and it sucks. I also can take my sim out and place in another phone and have a signal. I just got off the phone with Tmobile and was told there was a tower down in my area. I attempted to explain to the individual that my other phones are working and it has to be a mda problem. I'm on the verge of switching to a Blackberry. any suggestions would be appreciated.
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bennyhill said:
I'm having the same problem with my mda. this is the second mda I've had and it sucks. I also can take my sim out and place in another phone and have a signal. I just got off the phone with Tmobile and was told there was a tower down in my area. I attempted to explain to the individual that my other phones are working and it has to be a mda problem. I'm on the verge of switching to a Blackberry. any suggestions would be appreciated.
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There is a posting over on howardforums MDA boards about this very issue - Guy there gives a tutuorial on how to mod the antenna in the MDA and several people claim much better reception.
The antenna mod works, tried it yesterday. btw, it's here (had to search a bit)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=895090&highlight=mda+antenna+mod+tutorial
I didn't want to open this cute little thing up - felt like I would be doing an operation on one of my kiddies [No daddy that hurts ]...Couldn't do it...
what I did do was tape on the backside of the battery cover, two 1 1/2 half inch bass bands [maybe a 1/4 inch each] Didn't think it would do anything but by gosh, I'm sitting at my desk where I'd get 2 bars and the reception meter is full.
I'll have to update to see if it does anything for reception at home [has anyone noticed most of the reception problems happen at home?]. Will let youse know...
did you connect the bass bands to anything? Or just tape them there? What *are* bass bands anyway? Make pictures
Glad I saw these posts. I am having the exact same issues as everyone else. My Treo 650 had perfect reception everywhere and now this MDA is not getting the same level at all. As per the previous post, can you describe what bass bands are and how you attached them?
This may or may not be any help to any body, but just to report on my experience....
I have an MDA Vario which I tried with a TMobile SIM to make sure it worked before I unlocked and put my Orange sim in....
The Tmobile signal was max at home, when I put my Orange sim in I could only get between 1 and 2 strength bars.
Since upgrading my firmware from 1.6.x to 2.17.x I now get max signal all the time on Orange.
Hope this helps someone (moral of story - update firmware)
Regards
Mark
I'm quite clueless with anything you guys are talking about, the wizard is my second mda, first one was the compact, and I've never had reception problems, I have vodafone as carrier and it says 100% all the time, and analyzing the radio a bit with p3kit says the signal is usually stronger than the phone can perceive, although I must admit I had a bit of problems when I was abroad in rural areas, but switching to tmobile for a tiny while fixed that, I guess a weak signal can still be received fine outside and poorly inside
I love my TyTn no problems at all, very fast and HSPDA rocks, so does the scroll wheel one handed operation is now a reality
Chris
So far, I'm very impressed with the speed.
The one-handed aspects (like the scroll wheel) are tremendous.
HSPDA definitely rocks. Depending on where/when I try, I've seen download speeds between 600kbs and 1.2mbs. Not too shabby!
I'm having issues with "Internet passthrough" access while connected to ActiveSync, but otherwise, problem-free!
goestoeleven said:
So far, I'm very impressed with the speed.
The one-handed aspects (like the scroll wheel) are tremendous.
HSPDA definitely rocks. Depending on where/when I try, I've seen download speeds between 600kbs and 1.2mbs. Not too shabby!
I'm having issues with "Internet passthrough" access while connected to ActiveSync, but otherwise, problem-free!
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OK.
Then please tell me the following:
(a) How do you conclude you are on HSDPA ? I assume you are deducing that from the downlink speed you experience, ain't ya ? Acc. to my experience you can conclude you are on HSDPA if you get good continuous rates of well beyond 400kbit/s.
(b) Then which software (PDA or PC-based) are you using for checking the downlink data rate ?
(c) Can you disclose in which town in the US you are residing ? Afaik Cingular has only recently rolled out HSDPA. So I'd assume you live either in or slightly outside a larger town to have access to HSDPA.
Something else - regarding the scroll wheel:
I agree, this could be a great helper for a one-hand operation.
Unfortunately I think it could work more intuitively and is in some aspects even lacking functionality where functiuonality would really be needed.
E.g. when surfing in the internet.
You can invoke the IE using the scroll wheel; but how the hell can you then access your IE Bookmarks ??? :-(
As a resolution HTC could have programmed the first up-scrolling movement with the wheel after invoking the IE as a trigger for starting the Bookmarks. What do you think ?
Also when scrolling thru the Bookmarks the wheel opens every sub-folder when moving on it, thus it needs really very long for selecting any specific bookmark if you have accumulated a big collection.
Why is the wheel opening a sub-folder when only a click at a folder should open it ? A little bit of a bug. What do you think ?
My opinion is:
The wheel definitely is a step forward, but still needs development.
Regarding HSDPA: There is no way of finding out if the device is really on HSDPA (same applies to EDGE btw) other than by judging on the downlink data rate experienced (which tool ?).
As my operator offers HSDPA here (and I get tremendous downlink rates using one of these Vodafone Mobile Connect Cards) I somewhat doubt that the TyTN already offers HSDPA capability as the speeds I experience (both when using as a surf machine as well as a modem) are good UMTS speed but really not HSDPA !
Which brings me back to my mantra:
"Guys, we need a generic way for distinguishing between HSDPA/UMTS and EDGE/GPRS, like the registry tweak for the predecessor models !!!"
Oh the TyTN does indeed do HSDPA. I live in a Cingular HSDPA launch city, namely Salt Lake City.
I've teathered it to my laptop and have acheived speeds of over 860/kbit download via dslreports.com. I can also acheive nice low latency between 200-300ms.
I have seen the device drop to GSM/EDGE mode when I'm in a bad area and the speed immediately drops to 100kbit or less.
At least in Salt Lake City, wherever the phone shows a U icon, I'm getting increadible speeds.
I ran the dslreports mobile test on the device and it gets the same speeds as when teathered to the laptop. Also I ran dslreports speed test through my wireless internet connection at home which is teathered to an 8mbit cable modem account. On this connection the TyTN tops out at being able to measure around 1500/kbit through pocket IE, so the average 600-800kbit over HSDPA must be pretty accurate. Very rarely am I seeing less than 600kbit download.
-James
For Salt Lake City let me clarify. When I have a U, it's always getting HSDPA speeds, when it shows a G, I'm always getting EDGE or less speeds.
Around here I assume everywhere we have UTMS, we have HSDPA enabled, this is how cingular did it. This is the same for GSM, wherever Cingular has GPRS, they have EDGE so whenever I see a G icon, I'm getting edge speeds.... now wether it truely is EDGE, or regular GPRS I don't care, in fact who cares, it's so slow compared to HSDPA the difference is not important to me. As long as I got the U, I know I'm getting HSDPA.
I guess for networks in Europe that deployed UMTS before HSDPA this doesn't help you determine if you are getting HSDPA or not. However from what I understand, if the network has HSDPA, and your phone is capable of it, then you just automatically get it. You are not selectively being denied HSDPA or anything, it's more spectrally effecient for the operator to let you use it if it's available. It would simply decrease their cell capacity to somehow deny you use of it.
A good example is on Cingular, I have a data package, I popped my 3G sim into my phone, and the same data login settings still work, only it's a hell of a lot faster.
Can you determine if HSDPA is indeed availabel on the towers in your area?
-James
In Europe, as the operators started off with UMTS a couple of years ago, HSDPA is definitely something of an "upgrade", thus not seamlessly switched on.
Would suppose its to a large extent a question of licensing and licenses have a better payoff where the services offered thru them are actually taken up by the customers.
This is surely the reason why there is generally not (yet) HSDPA available in every cell which is offering UMTS. (Agreed there are other reasons for that as well, but this one is a very important reason.)
As I live in the capital of my country and the HSDPA coverage is very good here (also other populated places in the country are well covered with HSDPA already) I can get high data rates using one of these high-speed PCMCIA data cards for the PC (e.g. the Vodafone Mobile Connect Card).
In the same cells I get a much lower data rate when surfing with the TyTN.
This made me wonder whether the TyTN at all already supports HSDPA.
My only complaint so far is the A2DP. The headsets I have tried with it do not have great connection. In that I mean that it connects fine, but there is always these constant pauses within a song (i.e., when I'm listening to a song) that drives me nuts. My M600 from Sony Ericsson does not do this as the connection is problem free. Also, the whole phone seems to slow down when I'm using the bluetooth headset to listen to music.
That's it so far.
tkao2025 said:
My only complaint so far is the A2DP. The headsets I have tried with it do not have great connection. In that I mean that it connects fine, but there is always these constant pauses within a song (i.e., when I'm listening to a song) that drives me nuts. My M600 from Sony Ericsson does not do this as the connection is problem free. Also, the whole phone seems to slow down when I'm using the bluetooth headset to listen to music.
That's it so far.
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Check out the wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry
There are some registry hacks that help the AD2P performance
jmacdonald801,
Thanks for the post. I'm in Salt Lake City too using heavily hacked Wizard on T-mobile's network. I love the wizard but have been missiing the Evdo speeds of Verizon but I need a world phone for my business.
Where'd you order your TyTN from and what is your cingular plan costing you?
Thanks again.
rambo6 said:
jmacdonald801,
Thanks for the post. I'm in Salt Lake City too using heavily hacked Wizard on T-mobile's network. I love the wizard but have been missiing the Evdo speeds of Verizon but I need a world phone for my business.
Where'd you order your TyTN from and what is your cingular plan costing you?
Thanks again.
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I created a big stink on ho-fo because my TyTN was defective and I tried to return it after the 7 day policy of the online reseller.
Listen, I would be neglectful if I didn't tell you you are taking a big risk by purchasing this device, regardless of where you buy it. As you may have read here, this device has a serious quality control issue. Even replacement units are not always bug free.
That being said here are some things you really need to consider when purchasing this phone.
HTC is not obligated to repair your phone outside of the countries where it is meant to be sold. The United States is not on this list. I read the warenty documentation carefully. This doesn't mean they won't repair it, it just means they can tell you to bug off at their leisure. You could end up shipping this thing back to Europe and who knows if you will ever see it again.
The phone will cost between $700 to $800. Now that's a lot given that HTC isn't obligated to fix it, and the retailers you will encounter online will only offer a 7 day "exchange" policy only. Not only that, this policy may not be made clear to you during the checkout procedure.
Now assuming the HTC didn't have the number of issues that have been reported here, I could recommend someone to buy it from, but I certainly don't want you to take the chance of ending up with a defunct device with no warranty and basically up **** creek without a paddle.
While the device is "fun" and "neat" I doubt it's really going to provide you with any more functionality than your current device.
Now onto some positive information...
I have an older $19.99 media net package. It has unlimited data. I get 1200 text messages and 200 MMS messages. This package will work fine on the TyTN regardless of what anyone at Cingular will tell you.
What they won't tell you is what the physical difference between MediaNet and the PDA/Laptop plan are.
Firstly, there is not speed difference, if you have HSDPA, then you get the speed, period.
Secondly, Media.Net uses a fake IP address, similar to what happens when you have a router at home. the PDA Plan will give you a real internet IP address that people can connect to from the internet. The operational difference is simple, Media.Net will not allow you to use Corporate VPN, I have tried. Skype, and about every other application will work fine on Media.Net.
I don't know why Cingular makes such a big Stink about this, I use Cingular video MobiTV and you can literally eat hundreds of megabytes of data using Cingular's very own Media.Net applications. It's really just a scam to get you to buy a more expensive plan, which is fine if you need VPN.
As for me, I'm in the process of returning my TyTN and I'll stick with the LG CU500. It's an excellent phone. I think I'll find a PDA with 640x480 and bluetooth and just get the internet via the phone over bluetooth. This way I only need to carry the bigger device around when I need it and the phone just works without any complication.
If you can accept all the complications and risks involved in buying an imported phone for that amount of money, then I can recommend a good person, however I didn't fair so well.
Wait for the Cingular version.
-James
James,
Thank you for the candid response. I was going to wait anyway. I get a new phone every 6 month now and I've only had the Wizard for 4. In browsing this forum, I see there's quite a few bug which need fixing. Your advice to wait a while is much appreciated.
My wizard is working so well that the only thing I miss is the 3G internet. T-Mobiles 2.5 G ain't bad for anything except streaming video.
You've made me very eager to try the device on the Cingular network.
Thanks again.
@rkorzuch
Thanks for the A2DP performance tip from the Wiki, works for me with ITech S35 - improved audio quality.
jmacdonald801 said:
For Salt Lake City let me clarify. When I have a U, it's always getting HSDPA speeds, when it shows a G, I'm always getting EDGE or less speeds.
Around here I assume everywhere we have UTMS, we have HSDPA enabled, this is how cingular did it. This is the same for GSM, wherever Cingular has GPRS, they have EDGE so whenever I see a G icon, I'm getting edge speeds.... now wether it truely is EDGE, or regular GPRS I don't care, in fact who cares, it's so slow compared to HSDPA the difference is not important to me. As long as I got the U, I know I'm getting HSDPA.
I guess for networks in Europe that deployed UMTS before HSDPA this doesn't help you determine if you are getting HSDPA or not. However from what I understand, if the network has HSDPA, and your phone is capable of it, then you just automatically get it. You are not selectively being denied HSDPA or anything, it's more spectrally effecient for the operator to let you use it if it's available. It would simply decrease their cell capacity to somehow deny you use of it.
A good example is on Cingular, I have a data package, I popped my 3G sim into my phone, and the same data login settings still work, only it's a hell of a lot faster.
Can you determine if HSDPA is indeed availabel on the towers in your area?
-James
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out of curiosity, do you ever see an "E" when connected to edge networks? or does the TyTn handle "G" as either gprs or edge and "U" for UMTS?
edit: nvm...read the FAQ. that kinda sucks...i hope someone can figure out how to enable the "E" icon for the hermes.
Hi
I live in Austria - I am on T-Mobile and I just gut 664kbit/s using http://performance.chello.at:81/
So that seems to be HSDPA
BR
Daniel
@mdajax:
No "E" for edge on the TyTN unfortunately. The known reghacks don't work. Some are playing with the bitmaps that make up this display but so far I haven't heard of any success stories.
vodafone hspda
just measured 1100Kbps, so much for my monthly data allowance at this rate it'll last approximately 300 seconds ......
Battery is draining too fast when 8525 is connected data mode ( Goodlink or Xpress.)
This forced Cingular to postpone the imminant release of 8525
Any body is noticing this with the TyTn ?
Goodlink is a notorious battery killer on many devices...
I used to use Xpressmail on my SX66, and it was also a battery killer (and extremely unstable).
I'm not using either program on my TyTN though...
I'm using Exchange ActiveSync with DirectPush via PDAConnect (and isp.cingular APN). I've seen no issues whatsoever with battery life.
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I'm using Exchange ActiveSync with DirectPush via PDAConnect (and isp.cingular APN). I've seen no issues whatsoever with battery life.
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Goesto11, do you have to have the PDAConnect plan with Cingular to get pushmail without using Goodlink, or can I get it with just unlimited Medianet plan?
I have been on 3G, with DirectPush from my exchange server and battery's down to 50% since morning ..
I don't use Goodlink at all (never did).
Unlimited MediaNet forces you to use wap.cingular, which can cause timeout issues (see Sleuth's notes on the subject).
There is definitely better performance on mail delivery / polling frequency (and thus battery life) on using isp.cingular, which is only available with PDAConnect.
Whether or not the improvements are worth an extra $20/mo is a personal decision...
austin_boy ... OT .. Any news of anymore ROMs from Cingular?
@austin_boy: I can test this on my TyTN to see if the problem reproduces (Indicating hardware or not). Is v1.34 the ROM I should be using?
Cingular release of 8525
Does anyone know when Cingular plans to release this phone? My SX-66 is on its last legs.
Goesto11... thanks for the info.
Jhouse... that's the question of the year. No one knows. Speculation has been wild all over the internet. Some piece of Cingular literature said Oct. 29th, and then that ended up being an outdated piece of literature. I've heard everything from tomorrow all the way through the end of the year as release dates. Don't bother asking any of the sales people in any of the retail stores. They don't know either.
There is no one place on the net to go to keep updated on the status, but if I had to suggest a couple places to keep in tune to everyday to see if any news about it comes up, it would be Engadget Mobile (www.engadgetmobile.com) or Cingular's HTC forum (forums.cingular.com and then click on 'Cingular/HTC' and do a search for 8525). Take what they say in that forum with a grain of salt though.
Be patient. The release is imminent (before the holidays). No operator will launch a device with a potential defect. The battery problem is on the way to get solved
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Be patient. The release is imminent (before the holidays). No operator will launch a device with a potential defect. The battery problem is on the way to get solved
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You evidently don't have Sprint
<---Patiently (not really) waiting
@austin_boy:
If you need more testing done prior to release, you know where to drop off the "fixed" ROM...
I have noticed the Battery drain on my Tytn, but it is only a problem when connected to 3G. Seems to be a little better on the Cingular 1.34 rom, than the stock Tytn 1.18.
I am in a 3G area all the time so my Tytn is always connected to the 3G network using the Cingular isp.cingular APN. When I first got the Tytn, the battery would go down 50 to 60 percent overnight without use(only push email with about 10 emails rec'd) if left in the Auto selection (it seems to search for the signal when set to Auto). It would only go down maybe 10 percent if set to GSM only. And would go down 30 to 50 percent if set to 3G only.
I let the battery run out several times in between full charges and it seems to be better.
I have found it is better to set the network band to either GSM/1900-850 or Wcdma/1900-850 and the battery lasts longer. Yes, it lasts a lot longer on GSM, but if I wanted just GPRS/EDGE why buy the Tytn. SO I usually set it to 3g.
I charge it on my daily commute (45 minutes) while listening/watching morning TV and the occasional call via bluetooth. Receive probably 35 to 60 emails via MSexchange Push. Make approx 10 to 15 calls and occasional surfing the web while on the phone. I sometimes have to charge it during my day at the office, but it will usually last until my drive home.
So, yes the battery does not last very long. My Prophet and Universal can easily last more than a day. But I love that 3g speed. So, if you have a tytn; get a charger for home, work and a car charger also.
I am hoping another Cingular Rom shows up for more testing.....
I have just got the viewty phone but obviously browsing on an Athena is a better experience, is it possible to use the viewty (other phone) as a modem for the Athena without their being a sim card in the Athena.
I know it works on WIFI but can another phone do this
Yes provided you have the right data package on the viewity you can connect via bluetooth and use the viewity as a modem, but there are a couple of things to consider.
1) is the viewity HSDPA !! is it even 3G if not expect SLOWWW speeds
2) if your on T-mobile having the £7.50 per month web and walk is not good enough, you have to pay the extra £5 to get web n walk pro! this is because the LG acts as a dial up modem not an internet sharing device.
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Yes provided you have the right data package on the viewity you can connect via bluetooth and use the viewity as a modem, but there are a couple of things to consider.
1) is the viewity HSDPA !! is it even 3G if not expect SLOWWW speeds
2) if your on T-mobile having the £7.50 per month web and walk is not good enough, you have to pay the extra £5 to get web n walk pro! this is because the LG acts as a dial up modem not an internet sharing device.
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The viewty is HSDPA im on webnwalk pro
I am also selling my ATHENA!
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The viewty is HSDPA im on webnwalk pro
I am also selling my ATHENA!
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bt DUN is more than fast enough to provide an enjoyable browsing experience with the Athena and the Viewty as a modem. Certainly no worse than using your SIM in the phone (in my opinion).
However if you're getting an EEE I'd wait for that and just plug the Viewty in!
BTW, how are you getting along with the Viewty? Is it enjoyable to use?
Also do you know what category of HSDPA it is? T-Mobile are supposedly about to inflate their service to 7.2mbps in some areas very soon.
Cheers,
Leon
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bt DUN is more than fast enough to provide an enjoyable browsing experience with the Athena and the Viewty as a modem. Certainly no worse than using your SIM in the phone (in my opinion).
However if you're getting an EEE I'd wait for that and just plug the Viewty in!
BTW, how are you getting along with the Viewty? Is it enjoyable to use?
Also do you know what category of HSDPA it is? T-Mobile are supposedly about to inflate their service to 7.2mbps in some areas very soon.
Cheers,
Leon
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The viewty is a very very nice fone. TBH I am just amazed that so much has been crammed into what is a FEATHERLITE phone!
I can use the touch screen no probs , i dont have sausage fingers. It does FULL screen DIVX playback superbly out of the box.Media streaming is much better than Ameo
can watch ORB with absolutley no Buffering and Mobile TV(which theAmeo cant do).
Nice music player , nice organiser
The software to sync is a bit crap but i have it working ok
obviously browsing is not as good as the AMeo due to screen size but thats what the EEE is FOR
I think this is gonna be a keeper , i just dont think 1 device can be a decent fone and a laptop type thingy
i have used big fones for a long time now, AMEO,MDA Vario, XDA 2i P900 and its really weird to have something so small that can do so much.
I am much more an entertainement and internet kinda guy so this new set up suits me great.
Just Sold my AMEO!
BTW, is this normal that during BT connection with external phone, the connection icon in the top bar shows no connection (two arrows with cross)?
When I'm connected with PC via ActiveSync it shows connection properly, however when use external BT modem, it doesn't recognize connection status.
Internal GSM module is switched off continuously.
How do I set my Tilt up as a BT modem for the Advantage? ICS does not work. How do I get the Advantage to look for a BT internet gateway?
Rather than doing this, whatabout alternative solutions such as:
- Getting a dual SIM card, one for Athena, and another for your little phone. In that way there is no need to make the little phone Athena's modem. One phone plan, one number. I'm not sure if your serviceprovider offers it.
- Use Athena as the primary phone, but use a blue tooth headset such as LG style I, or bluetooth watch headset called blue sound? You can them make and receive call with these little gadget instead of using the brick.
Because this is F'ing ridiculous. I'm soon going to be on my 3rd HD2(T-Mobile is shipping me a new one tomorrow) the previous 2 just kept dropping my data connection. After about 3 hours of LESS of use my data would go out and only way to fix this is by doing a soft reset which is absolutely ridicules considering the damn thing just came out not less then 3 weeks ago. Am I just having bad luck or is there really an issue here that either T-Mobile or HTC need to address ASAP?!
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ok now im starting to think it was T-Mobiles network not being able to handle all the new data over there lines or what not. Its been a full 2 days and I'm getting great data coverage. I'm getting my replacement HD2 tomorrow via UPS since I called T-Mobile and told them about the problem they said they would send me a new one. What should I do now. Its such a pain to have to set up my phone the way I like it but then again I dont want to risk having another data problem.
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Because this is F'ing ridiculous. I'm soon going to be on my 3rd HD2(T-Mobile is shipping me a new one tomorrow) the previous 2 just kept dropping my data connection. After about 3 hours of LESS of use my data would go out and only way to fix this is by doing a soft reset which is absolutely ridicules considering the damn thing just came out not less then 3 weeks ago. Am I just having bad luck or is there really an issue here that either T-Mobile or HTC need to address ASAP?!
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Dude, you are having some bad luck!
My phone is perfect. Well, it could use a keyboard, but otherwise...
same problem
I am have same problem..t-mobile 3g sucks i guess
It appears to be a common problems with HD2 users on the other side.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614119&highlight=connection
I was on the phone with T-mobile a few hours ago for an hour because my data connection would randomly drop. When I try to click it to turn it on, it would make me start a new data connection, wtf?
If I turn my phoen off and back on, it wouldn't even connect, with anything. The guy at T-mobile made me do a hard reset. My connection is fine now, but this was a hassle. I also notice Im not getting any better 3G service (as he said he update my network with better coverage).
I have the same problem with my phone. I have to constantly turn the data off and back on to get connection.
Both of my phones are doing it. They were both replaced recently too. Wish I could vote twice.
same here even if i have a full 3g bar data wont stay stable
No issues here.
been reading and stuff and more than half of the people with an HD2 have this BUT THERE IS A FIX search for it just like I DID
if you can't find it ill just post the cab latter when I got nothing bette to do.... haha lol
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been reading and stuff and more than half of the people with an HD2 have this BUT THERE IS A FIX search for it just like I DID
if you can't find it ill just post the cab latter when I got nothing bette to do.... haha lol
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That's great for you if you have a problem lol...I didn't when I was on stock. Glad to be on Elegancia now...pretty good s***.
No issues here. Bayarea.
The other day, I was in the Dade County Fair in Miami and my cell phone completely lost all connection (not just data, but cell signal as well). It would randomly come up again for a few seconds before dropping. I soft/hard reset, took the battery out for a few minutes... nothing seemed to work, so I called TMO USA the day after to see if maybe I was in the middle of an outage, but nothing and the guy from tech support couldn't help either... I had better service with MetroPCS....
The data connection dropping happens the moment I set foot in my home. It switches out of 3G and the phone starts displaying Edge, which is a lie because there is no network connection at that time (try to update weather and it simply spits out a connection error). I'm gonna try to flash something else and see if that works (I am on stock right now). If I cannot get this solved by the end of this week. I am switching to Sprint and getting myself a TP2 (since I need SIM card capability in my phone).
I did notice one strange thing though. I used CleanRAM (level 3 option) at one point at home when I was with the faulty Edge, and it switched back to full 3G. So, at this point, I am starting to believe that TMO put something in the stock rom that either hinders, or makes the connection lousy...
I guess I put away my ORD for as long as I could with this phone
To put it lightly, T-Mobile plan sucks in my area, I had to switch to AT&T ever since then I havent lost any data connections.
Although I just moved to EnergyROM the other day since I just like that ROM since I used to use it on my Touch Pro. I never had data issues with the Stock ROM. Only time I had a data issue is when there was an outtage in my area and then even the phone didn't work.
I could not get my data connection to stay on more than a few minutes at a time until I loaded up HD2Tweaks. Since then, it's been running perfectly.
It's odd...however, if your phone's only problem is just switching between Edge and 3G try setting the phone to only run on 3G...under Settings->Wireless Controls->Phone->Baseband->WCDMA...
If your phone is cutting out...that sucks lol...not a whole lot I can think of except for the fact that the laws of physics apply in this case...the higher a frequency is, the farther it travels with less energy but the less it penetrates the environment around it. This is in part caused by higher frequency waves becoming extremely tiny, with over 1900mhz having waves that are smaller than a drop of water.
AT&T 3G uses 850mhz and 1900mhz for their 3G. Its lower frequencies don't travel as far, but they have more towers to make up for coverage area and the signal will penetrate.
T-Mobile 3G is 1700mhz/2100mhz meaning that the slightly higher range, while seemingly insignificant, when coupled with less towers, will cause the far end of the signal range to have too great a degradation of power, and not enough penetration to be viable.
Along with this is the fact that many government agencies still operate on the frequencies that T-Mobile purchased, due to not having a backup for their systems. Enough power generated within a frequency range will raise the noise floor enough that your phone's signal will get cut off. Sounds crazy, but it does happen quite often. You ever hear static on your radio? Analog is great in that you can lose data and still function. So government radio's are perfectly okay with a little bit of background noise.
However, signals that broadcast an analog translation of a 1's and 0's, function like a digital connection. When packets of information are lost in significant quantities, or in this case they are known are "frames", your phone cuts out.
Signal interference is becoming more and more of a problem in the cellular world. Satellite communications have had to deal with this problem for years. Only now are enough cell phones being packed into a single area for the noise floor to rise in significant quantities.
Just my $.02
~Jasecloud4
for those who fix the problem can you post how you guys did it. i tried changing data to just 3g didn't work changing to voicestream it didnt work
I'm using HD2 since 25 march. Stock room. So far no problems.
Chicago & east sub.
No problems here... Ever...
Louisville, KY