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can i get my trinity to work with line 2

hi, my provider (orange uk ) supports line 2 ,does anyone know of a way that I can get my device to work with line 2 please?
thanks

no, there is no way to use line 2 on the pocket PC phones, only on the smartphones m600 etc.
BMF

please, what is line 2?
I'm using 2-PIN-SIM for 2 different phone lines successfully. deactivat phone, reactivateand give him the other PIN.
Provider: Mocistar,Spain
best regards

Karl der Käfer said:
please, what is line 2?
I'm using 2-PIN-SIM for 2 different phone lines successfully. deactivat phone, reactivateand give him the other PIN.
Provider: Mocistar,Spain
best regards
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You're using a dual SIM adaptor. The poster is asking whether the service provided by some operators; whereby you can have two distinct numbers on ONE SIM, will work. The answer appears to be 'no' on PPC devices.

Excuse me if i misunderstood... you mean that there can be no call waiting/ call on hold on PPC phones?

darkilici said:
Excuse me if i misunderstood... you mean that there can be no call waiting/ call on hold on PPC phones?
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Not that I know of. Anyone else?

Call waiting has nothing to do with 2nd line. Call waiting is an operator service thatt allows you to keep a call on hold/wait while you talk with someone else. IT WORKS on Trinity if your operator has it.
2nd line means that with one SIM you can be reached on two different phone numbers without having two phones and without restarting your phone to switch sims. You can make/receive calls on any of the 2 numbers.

Ok, sorry for the confusion

I know this post is a bit old but the answer is certainly no to having Line 2 on the SPV "M" series (or eqivalent - operator model) seems only the "s", "c" or the newer "e" series of orange branded SPV that support that function.

Why not ? waiting CAB !!

I hope someone will understant what am talking about !
there is somthing that am missing from normal phones that i can't find it in PPC which is waiting notification !
for e.g if i called someone and he is allready on the phone i will hear a tone or a messag will pop up like nokia phones
this option is only avilibal in one O2 PPC
and i think this one here

aref said:
I hope someone will understant what am talking about !
there is somthing that am missing from normal phones that i can't find it in PPC which is waiting notification !
for e.g if i called someone and he is allready on the phone i will hear a tone or a messag will pop up like nokia phones
this option is only avilibal in one O2 PPC
and i think this one here
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ehh..every HTC Phone is capable to do so (al my older htc's could do that...you just have to configure "Call Waiting" (i think) on your phone..)

TheVmaster said:
ehh..every HTC Phone is capable to do so (al my older htc's could do that...you just have to configure "Call Waiting" (i think) on your phone..)
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No my friend this option will allow you to receive another call whil you are busy with onther call
but what if you call someone and he is on the phone other mobiles will give you a kind of alram ( messag or tone ) to tell you that the one you are trying to call is busy with other call
:-D

aref said:
No my friend this option will allow you to receive another call whil you are busy with onther call
but what if you call someone and he is on the phone other mobiles will give you a kind of alram ( messag or tone ) to tell you that the one you are trying to call is busy with other call
:-D
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Yes, I know what you mean. I miss that function too since I change to a PPC 3 years ago... have not been able to fine this feature (yet).

Here are two options.
First is an auto-responder like what you were talking about. I don't know if it is any good. Should have trial period. This is the first one that i found through Google.
http://www.bytesurge.com/mobiledownloads.aspx
Second is SPB Phone Suite which gives you (I think) a button to reject a call and send a preset message in one click.
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/phonesuite/?en
Just search PPC sms auto responder on google.

am talking about somthing els

I use this with my Trinity all the time.
It is PROVIDER SETTING which can be switched on in phone settings.
Example: I am talking to my friend Mr. A. While I am talking my wife calls. I hear a sound and On the screen I see ("wife calling") I than have the option to take wifes call (while Mr A. has to wait).
Is that what you mean?

saminegm said:
I use this with my Trinity all the time.
It is PROVIDER SETTING which can be switched on in phone settings.
Example: I am talking to my friend Mr. A. While I am talking my wife calls. I hear a sound and On the screen I see ("wife calling") I than have the option to take wifes call (while Mr A. has to wait).
Is that what you mean?
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Saminegm, yes my Trinity is working like what you are saying above.
However, what I meant is something else. Allow me to explain.
Say the scenario is that my wife is talking to Ms B. My wife has call waiting activated on her cellular service. IF I call her while she is on the phone talking to Ms B, on my trinity side, I get a ringing tone without any indication that she is on the phone (which will leave me thinking why she is not picking up).
In the same scenario, should I be using a nokia phone (you all can try), if I call my wife while she is on the phone with Ms B, on my nokia phone screen I will see Caller waiting, and I will also be getting a ringing tone as well. This way I know she is talking on the phone and I won't go wondering why she is not picking up the phone.
Do you all get me now?

Call waiting tone
The call waiting tone is a network thing - I have that supported in my Trinity and I also had that in my Prophet (and obviously in all land and cellular phones). This leads me to believe that you need to talk with your service provider about that.
I always hang up the minute I hear I am on someone's call waiting.. I hate for them to have to switch calls in the middle.

Hi,
when I call someone with any PPC and the other person is on the phone, I get the busy-ringtone and Windows Mobile displays "busy" on the screen.
Or am I wrong?

dnts said:
The call waiting tone is a network thing - I have that supported in my Trinity and I also had that in my Prophet (and obviously in all land and cellular phones). This leads me to believe that you need to talk with your service provider about that.
I always hang up the minute I hear I am on someone's call waiting.. I hate for them to have to switch calls in the middle.
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Yes I agree that tone is a network thing, however my network cellular support some sort of 'display notification' on the LCD of nokia phones regarding the other party is on the phone. I am just wondering if this 'display notification' is available here on the trinity ...

No No No :-D
to make it simple lets amagen :-D
tom was trying to call joe ! But joe is busy with other call , if tom is using Nokia phone he will see a message on the phone with the word ( waiting ) so tom knows joe is busy and may be he can't talk to him !!
But if tom like me and he is using a PPC he will keep calling and can't know that joe is on the phone .
of course if your phone support more than one call

aref said:
But if tom like me and he is using a PPC he will keep calling and can't know that joe is on the phone .
of course if your phone support more than one call
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This is only the case if 'Joe' has set up his network/phone so that he can switch between two conversations. If Joe's network/phone only allows one conversation at a time, the caller will get a 'busy' tone.

Plastriq said:
This is only the case if 'Joe' has set up his network/phone so that he can switch between two conversations. If Joe's network/phone only allows one conversation at a time, the caller will get a 'busy' tone.
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Yes :-D i have this option i can switch between calls so anyone can help me ?

I miss that option as well... Hope if O2 tell us how they solve it?!!!!

man2003 said:
I miss that option as well... Hope if O2 tell us how they solve it?!!!!
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Hope if O2 tell us how they solve it?!

aref said:
I hope someone will understant what am talking about !
there is somthing that am missing from normal phones that i can't find it in PPC which is waiting notification !
for e.g if i called someone and he is allready on the phone i will hear a tone or a messag will pop up like nokia phones
this option is only avilibal in one O2 PPC
and i think this one here
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My old Ericsson (NOT Sony Ericsson) phone does that as well. It displays "Call Waiting at Other Party" when I call the other guy who is already on the phone.
It is some info for me - but I don't think I can't live without it.

ww2250 said:
My old Ericsson (NOT Sony Ericsson) phone does that as well. It displays "Call Waiting at Other Party" when I call the other guy who is already on the phone.
It is some info for me - but I don't think I can't live without it.
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Well, I CAN live without it (have been living without it for the past 3 years since I changed to a PocketPC), however it's a nice thing to have.

So, have this issue solved yet thus far?
I like this features a lot but my O2 Atom Exec doesnt seems to come with it...
sighz...

EventHorizon said:
Hi,
when I call someone with any PPC and the other person is on the phone, I get the busy-ringtone and Windows Mobile displays "busy" on the screen.
Or am I wrong?
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you will only get the busy tone if the person you are trying to call is still connecting or has not established a connected call.

Please help - receiving phone calls

Hello,
I bought a new HTC advantage x7501 unlocked, trying to use it on Fido network, however whenever I call the unit, the unit does not being to ring until at least the second ring, usually the third and often I miss a phone call completely. The signal strength is at its maximum when tried this. I did do a hard reset, searched google and all nada. Can someone please help ?
Thanks

Just tonight I was running call tests on my unit, and I see the same 2-ring delay. Doesn't matter if its asleep or fully on. I still have plenty of time to answer before voicemail kicks in. That delay is dictated by your carrier.

What sim card are you running? Do you know? Is there any way the check if you have the 64k or the 128k? I found some threads not related specifically to the X7501 but to the HTC hermes, that if you have the 64k sim card and an HTC hermes you might get some communication troubles, but that thread was pretty old and I'm sure HTC fixed that issue already.
Anyhow, hard reset doesn't solve this problem, and I do not even know how to begin addressing this issue.

Try some or all of the following:
Make sure your ringtone is in the Windows folder, or the ringtones folder.
Try a .wav ringtone (yes, i prefer mp3 too - wavs are too big)
Tweaks2k2.net has a disable 3 second delay option - there is probably a registry key somewhere.

marek101 said:
Hello,
I bought a new HTC advantage x7501 unlocked, trying to use it on Fido network, however whenever I call the unit, the unit does not being to ring until at least the second ring, usually the third and often I miss a phone call completely. The signal strength is at its maximum when tried this. I did do a hard reset, searched google and all nada. Can someone please help ?
Thanks
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which radio version are u using sometimes it is releated to the radio version and upgrading or downgrading to another rdio helps the problem. missing calls are mostly releated to radio version of devices.

I have not flashed this unit at all, and the default ringtone is there and yes I tried changing it too.
I'm begging to suspect that this might be a sim card issue. I'm using SM-32 from fido, is there one that is sm-64 or 128? google search did not reveal much..
Thanks

hi,
i use phonealarm software with my athena, and i have the next issue:
if i active phonealarm, the phone sounds after the second or third ring,
but if i deactive phonealarm, the phone sounds just after the first rings.
use you PA soft?
note: i have tested and obtained the same results storing the rings at the
storage card, microdrive or programs memory. the problem is PA !!
next probe:: enable PA but set to "System" the "ring" and "ring type" parameters
at the all profiles. the result is fine: plays the configured sounds after the
first ring [i use mp3]

S.O.S
Is PhoneAlarm software enabled by default? I can not seem to be able to locate this anywhere on the phone?
Plus I got a little bit further with Fido, I have disabled my voicemail and now the phone rings after the second ring. Does this make any sense to anyone ?
S.O.S

SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM, READ:
Simple, the "Radio" code that comes with the x7501 / x7500 unlocked can NOT handle the the "Name Display" feature properly, thus causing the phone to miss class and or ring later. In EU they do NOT have "Name Display", wow. Thats the problem. I wish to that I found the answer sooner, I thought that is the purpose of such boards like these, no? Am I that wrong?
http://www.palonek.ca/

Just need to call your carrier and have them increase the ring count before voicemail picks up. Tonight at dinner my mother complained about this on her phone - it would go to vm after 3 rings. She called cust service and upped it to 6 rings. Problem solved.

marek101 said:
SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM, READ:
Simple, the "Radio" code that comes with the x7501 / x7500 unlocked can NOT handle the the "Name Display" feature properly, thus causing the phone to miss class and or ring later. In EU they do NOT have "Name Display", wow. Thats the problem. I wish to that I found the answer sooner, I thought that is the purpose of such boards like these, no? Am I that wrong?
http://www.palonek.ca/
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is the solution at the palonek web ?? i don't not !!

Problem with MultiSIM and HTC Shift

Hello
Some days ago I received my HTC Shift and I am very satisfied!
Unfortunately there is one strange Problem:
I am using a MultiSIM by T-Mobile, that means I have one number for multiple devices.
If the HTC Shift would make phone calls and someone calls me, the shift and my MDA Vario III would be ringing.
When I activate the Modem in my Shift it seems the Shift receives phone calls and then denies them! So nobody can call me when I am using my shift, since all calls are directed to my mailbox
Has anyone of you an idea what can I do?
(btw: I unlocked my Shift already to full WM6 )

The shift doesnt support phone calls...even if you have on sim card it wont ring
Use it for its gprs/edge/3g and sms sending n receiving

rdosti said:
The shift doesnt support phone calls...even if you have on sim card it wont ring
Use it for its gprs/edge/3g and sms sending n receiving
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Hello
thats exactly what I like to use the shift for. I am not interested in making phone calls with it.
But the Shift is blocking calls, which should also arrive on my mobile phone...
I think HTC has made this blocking to avoid connection problems when somebody tries to calls the shift (which is not supported).
Is this right?

Might work?
I don't know for sure about T-Mobile. I am using a similar service (they call it "FlexiCard") from E-Plus. They have a function that allows you to designate one of your SIM cards as the primary card. This is the card that will receive calls (and SMS) first, only if this card is not active (phone turned off) or busy a call or SMS will be routed to the other card.
However, there seems to be a service difference between T-Mobile and E-Plus: I have the SIM card in my Shift still designated as the "primary" card. If the modem is turned on, this is interpreted by E-Plus as "busy", so calls go to my phone (which holds the "secondary" card). If the modem is turned off, the SIM card in my Shift is obviously inactive and not visible to the mobile network. So the only reason for me to switch "primary" vs. "secondary" would be to continue receiving SMS messages on my phone rather than the Shift. Unfortunately, for SMS E-Plus does not bother whether the "primary" card is active / busy or not, SMS always go to that card (understandable when you look at how SMS works on mobile networks).
If you don't find any information about switching primary/secondary card in your documentation that came with the card I suggest contacting the T-Mobile hotline. They should be able to tell you whether this functionality is available with your "MultiSIM" and how to switch "primary" between the cards.

Thank you mw65719 four your tip.
I just phoned with T-Mobile support.
They don't support it like Eplus to switch between SIMCards.
It is just possible to define a primary card for SMS service, not for phone calls. Whenever someone calls me both phones are ringing.
So I will have to buy a new contract with T-Mobile just for data transfer, which is more expensive than the combination of phone/data contract.

I have the same issue with the MultiSIM from t-mobile. Both phones (the other one is a Touch) are ringing, after the first ring a line-busy message is generated.
Seems that the Shift in canceling the incoming call after the first ring.
Does anyone has an idea to solve this problem instead of splitting the MultiSIM into two separate contracts?

Have just opened a suuport case at HTC Europe concering this issue. Seems to be a German (and t-mobile) specific problem.....

speech service ?!
gsiakoe said:
Seems that the Shift in canceling the incoming call after the first ring.
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find out how the call canceled
a: is it the 3g modem that set the networkstatus to -> data service only
b: or a apllication that will call canceled - reason busy
see here what i mean
http://www.t-mobile.de/downloads/laptop/hyperterminalmulti-sim-anleitung.pdf

I think it's part of the WinMo/SnapVue side.
Vista enables a lan connection with WinMo for internet.
So there could be settings in the registry to enable/disable this busy status.
I try to find somethin, but unfortunately i'm not a pro like others here in the Board.

Where are you folks, on Planet Mars, everyone and all documents I read say that the Shift cannot support phone calls???????

alexn2 said:
Where are you folks, on Planet Mars, everyone and all documents I read say that the Shift cannot support phone calls???????
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it can be made to recieve them though. we all say Bengalboy's pics. about the phone calls being blocked. that does suck. i guess we have to wait till the phone side is re activated.

Idea how to activate phone pad
Pawel062 said:
it can be made to recieve them though. we all say Bengalboy's pics. about the phone calls being blocked. that does suck. i guess we have to wait till the phone side is re activated.
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I had some phone calls with T-Mobile Business support and they told me a trick how to activate the phone function, but I dont get this to work.
What I have to do is the following:
1. Download and install a hyper terminal application on Windows mobile (I found http://www.cambridgevx.com (Server seems to be down at the moment))
2. Open a direct connection to the modem
3. Enter the following commands:
3a: AT_odo?
(this should show 1 which means speech is deactivated
3b: AT_odo=0
(speech is beeing activated)
4. Reset Windows Mobile and the phone should be activated
I was told this is known to work on some data modems and should work on the HTC Shift too.
But always I try setp 2 I get an error "cannot open data connection"
Has anyone an idea?

Irgendware said:
I had some phone calls with T-Mobile Business support and they told me a trick how to activate the phone function, but I dont get this to work.
What I have to do is the following:
1. Download and install a hyper terminal application on Windows mobile (I found http://www.cambridgevx.com (Server seems to be down at the moment))
2. Open a direct connection to the modem
3. Enter the following commands:
3a: AT_odo?
(this should show 1 which means speech is deactivated
3b: AT_odo=0
(speech is beeing activated)
4. Reset Windows Mobile and the phone should be activated
I was told this is known to work on some data modems and should work on the HTC Shift too.
But always I try setp 2 I get an error "cannot open data connection"
Has anyone an idea?
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problem there is no phone pad aka dial pad in production models as far as i know. so even if u can re enable it u wont have any images etc... it'll most likely require a custom rom or if we get lucky a cab.

Pawel062 said:
problem there is no phone pad aka dial pad in production models as far as i know. so even if u can re enable it u wont have any images etc... it'll most likely require a custom rom or if we get lucky a cab.
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I am not interested in using the phone pad.
I like to solve the busy line problem (read some posts above). When activating the speech on modem side, this would be solve and I could use my Shift with my MultiSIM-Card

Irgendware said:
I had some phone calls with T-Mobile Business support and they told me a trick how to activate the phone function, but I dont get this to work.
What I have to do is the following:
1. Download and install a hyper terminal application on Windows mobile (I found http://www.cambridgevx.com (Server seems to be down at the moment))
2. Open a direct connection to the modem
3. Enter the following commands:
3a: AT_odo?
(this should show 1 which means speech is deactivated
3b: AT_odo=0
(speech is beeing activated)
4. Reset Windows Mobile and the phone should be activated
I was told this is known to work on some data modems and should work on the HTC Shift too.
But always I try setp 2 I get an error "cannot open data connection"
Has anyone an idea?
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souds interesting ! .. have you try some scenarios ? with 3G enabled, with 3G disabled, with wifi enabled, with wifi disabled ... etc ?
I can't try myself.. but as there are data connection through 3G.. I think that it is possible to find a solution to the step 2 !

Anybody found a solution for this?
Getting my shift soon, and im going for a twin sim solution. would suck if i cant get phone calls on my kaiser cos the shift is on in snap vue mode and rejects the calls.

I am experiencing the same Problem with my Shift.
It is crazy, because my Mobile rings a halt time, then the Shift rejects the call. Afterwards, I have to call back.
The problem should be able to solve, but you have, anyhow, to tell the shifts modem not to reject voice calls. Still, I do not know how to tell the modem

Hello?
Has anyone resolved this issue? I'm a new MultiSIM user, and the idea of not having any internet with my shift is ****ing me off (that would make it as useful as a brick ).
Any resolution is appreciated.
Cheers.

HI @ all, i don´t know, if you fixed that problem.
I´m a multi SIm user too. With the original Radio Version (shipped with german SHIFT) the same problem. After that, i update the radio Version to the Phone edition radio Version:
see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486234
(but here always my WinCE Side was really slow??) so I Downgrade back the phone edition
1.27.35.28 and ce OS version 5.2.1620 (I00 ROm I think)
And now, Phone is working, and never the Multisim usage hangs up.
I don´t know why, i play every 1 month with Shift and upgrade, downgrade something, then the most time shift is not in use, so i don´t make a history what happend...
:-(
But with the new radio Version it will work.
maybe this rom work too:
Cmonex posted another radio for backup. This radio is for original rom (ie all other roms from the forum). Look for the link on page 5, or here
http://rapidshare.com/files/20211808...ift1582123.zip <- this is not for the phone or for this rom
Mirror: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=7...e6ba49b5870170

Irgendware said:
Hello
Some days ago I received my HTC Shift and I am very satisfied!
Unfortunately there is one strange Problem:
I am using a MultiSIM by T-Mobile, that means I have one number for multiple devices.
If the HTC Shift would make phone calls and someone calls me, the shift and my MDA Vario III would be ringing.
When I activate the Modem in my Shift it seems the Shift receives phone calls and then denies them! So nobody can call me when I am using my shift, since all calls are directed to my mailbox
Has anyone of you an idea what can I do?
(btw: I unlocked my Shift already to full WM6 )
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it happens with all multiple sims when you have all the devices activated!!!...
when you have multiple sims and you have all the devices open...
which device should accept the call ??
it does not work as douplex land line... not all of your mobile devices should ring at the same time ... obviously the one that was opened first and got the signal from your provider should get the line...
the twin sim solution works fine with me ... plus unlimited internet access from phone and the shift...
BUT one device open at a time ...

[Q] hd2 dont let me call to a diferent cellphone provider than mine

does somebody have this issue?? if i want to call to a person that uses a diferent cellphone provider than me (example: i have t-mobile and want to call to a at&t number), my hd2 wont let me make the call!! and with my nokia i have no problems makin the same call, so it's not sim related
thanks

huevo0000 said:
does somebody have this issue?? if i want to call to a person that uses a diferent cellphone provider than me (example: i have t-mobile and want to call to a at&t number), my hd2 wont let me make the call!! and with my nokia i have no problems makin the same call, so it's not sim related
thanks
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what exactly happens when you try to call the number? any message or anything?
might be worth a call to T-Mobile to verify they don't have any restrictions on the account or anything

i just hear a beep and nothing happens! i just notice that this aldo happens when i try to call a numer that it's not saved in my contacts.. so i can only call someone if his nurmer is saved in my contact list.. do you if there is an option to disable this?
thanks!

try having a play in
settings - menu - all settings - personal - phone - services - call barring (typing this from memory, wording may be slightly different).

huevo0000 said:
does somebody have this issue?? if i want to call to a person that uses a diferent cellphone provider than me (example: i have t-mobile and want to call to a at&t number), my hd2 wont let me make the call!! and with my nokia i have no problems makin the same call, so it's not sim related
thanks
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SAME situation I'm on T-Mobile and hubby's on AT&T (work) and I can NEVER call his phone (always get voicemail) unless his phone is right next to me!
We've tried everything... once he leaves our little onclave ZAP! he's no longer reachable unless it's late at night.

this worked for me
settings - menu - all settings - personal - phone - gsm/umts services - caller ID - check everyone
thanks for all the help guys!!