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wifi antenna orientation ???

Hi, just wondering if anyone has seen inside a M3100 (TyTN) and knows which way the wifi antenna is orientated..
I find that the signal from my WiFi router is best when the M3100 is used vertically (portrate)... If I slide out the keyboard and use it in landscape the signal drops... It may just be that by holding the keyboard it blocks RF signal.
Not even sure what orientation the antenna is now on my router as I've just switched to Orange broadband and have one of those upturned book type things with no visible antenna.... The liveBox!... All I know is the signal still behaves the same way...
Thanks Phil
P.S Anyone know of a forum for finding out about the LiveBox.. I want to see what the extra unused Ethernet and USB connectors are for.

I use Socket Wi-Fi Companion
great software
http://www.socketcom.com/product/SW1221-596.asp

WiFi
Have been inside and antena is along top edge so would explain better reception in portrait mode - hand obscures a bit in landscape.
Yes that Socket Wi-Fi Companion looks good. I use Hitchhiker cos it's free and actually very easy to use for the old cruising of hotspots.
Mike

Re the antenna, that does make sense with the effect I was getting....
Cheers both.... Phil

GPS internal

I know this has been up before but I´m still confused.
On this site http://cnn.cn/shop/htc-tytn-c-277_279.html
they sell antenna for the hermes gps.
As we know Hermes has an internal gps but without the internal antenna that is necessary...
So has anyone installed such hardware?

It would certainly be interesting to know if with the external antenna the GPS would work. Looking at it I think it might, the only problem I can think of would be the device recognising the GPS. Great find!! Good on you!!

strandkanten2 said:
On this site http://cnn.cn/shop/htc-tytn-c-277_279.html
they sell antenna for the hermes gps.
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Looking at the product page on this antenna there are som pictures with it installed.
It attaches to the connector behind the rubber protector next to the camera.
Is'nt this the connector for external radio antenna?
Or is there any smart electronics that connects this connector to the internal gps module?

mippen said:
Looking at the product page on this antenna there are som pictures with it installed.
It attaches to the connector behind the rubber protector next to the camera.
Is'nt this the connector for external radio antenna?
Or is there any smart electronics that connects this connector to the internal gps module?
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I wondered the same thing.

This has been discussed to death so many times. Most recently, this exact antenna was discussed in the Hermes Accessories section of this forum (use search, I'm not going to do it for you).
Here's the FACTS!
1) There is some of the circuitry (hardware) for a GPS in a hermes. Some is missing. This is most likely due to the chips that the hermes uses having multiple built in functions. One function was needed so they used a chip that just happened to have part of a gps built in.
2) Adding the rest of the gps harware isn't practical and has a 99.9% chance of destroying the device even if you are highly experienced in working with surface mount components.
3) Even if you added the antenna, etc. successfully there is no firmware to drive it. You still need to write everything from scratch and make the firmware work with the rest of the pda/phone. You would have to do this without benefit of having any existing source code for the pda. Good Luck
4) Assuming you managed to do all this, and plugged in this antenna, you would have a gps that needed this big ugly antenna wired to the phone. So why not just spend the $50 and buy a bluetooth gps that works without wires and doesn't need the phone modified?
5) The store selling this antenna have stated to queries (see other threads) that this antenna is for use when using an EXTERNAL gps with the hermes. In other words, some bluetooth and wired gps units that work with the hermes have an external antenna jack so that if they are used in poor conditions this antenna can be used to boost the range by placing the antenna outside the vehicle, etc.
6) You cannot use this antenna plugged into the hermes external antenna jack. it will probably destroy the phones radio instantly and permanently. In fact, its a very bad idea to use any external antenna with any radio that wasn't specifically designed for the radio. There are many reports of frying the radio by using 'universal' cell phone antennas.
In conclusion.... GIVE IT UP!
There is no usable gps in the hermes!

deach01 said:
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In conclusion.... GIVE IT UP!
There is no usable gps in the hermes!
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ok then, anyhow very misleading pictures on that site then.
why would i install a wire to my phone if i have gps on bluetooth. makes no sense.
Ps. I knew this was discussed earlier but I wanted uptade on if someone tried it recently.

strandkanten2 said:
ok then, anyhow very misleading pictures on that site then.
why would i install a wire to my phone if i have gps on bluetooth. makes no sense.
Ps. I knew this was discussed earlier but I wanted uptade on if someone tried it recently.
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deach01 is correct. I agree the people selling this antenna should make it MUCH clearer as to its purpose.
To the best of my knowledge all development work has stopped, on getting the partial GPS functionality of the chip to work on the Hermes for the reasons deach01 states - it's just not practcal, and as said already the bluetooth receivers work well without major surgery to the Hermes.
Mike

Total BS! That site actually shows a picture of that antenna plugged into the back of the Hermes, talk about misleading!

deach01 said:
This has been discussed to death so many times. Most recently, this exact antenna was discussed in the Hermes Accessories section of this forum (use search, I'm not going to do it for you).
Here's the FACTS!
1) There is some of the circuitry (hardware) for a GPS in a hermes. Some is missing. This is most likely due to the chips that the hermes uses having multiple built in functions. One function was needed so they used a chip that just happened to have part of a gps built in.
2) Adding the rest of the gps harware isn't practical and has a 99.9% chance of destroying the device even if you are highly experienced in working with surface mount components.
3) Even if you added the antenna, etc. successfully there is no firmware to drive it. You still need to write everything from scratch and make the firmware work with the rest of the pda/phone. You would have to do this without benefit of having any existing source code for the pda. Good Luck
4) Assuming you managed to do all this, and plugged in this antenna, you would have a gps that needed this big ugly antenna wired to the phone. So why not just spend the $50 and buy a bluetooth gps that works without wires and doesn't need the phone modified?
5) The store selling this antenna have stated to queries (see other threads) that this antenna is for use when using an EXTERNAL gps with the hermes. In other words, some bluetooth and wired gps units that work with the hermes have an external antenna jack so that if they are used in poor conditions this antenna can be used to boost the range by placing the antenna outside the vehicle, etc.
6) You cannot use this antenna plugged into the hermes external antenna jack. it will probably destroy the phones radio instantly and permanently. In fact, its a very bad idea to use any external antenna with any radio that wasn't specifically designed for the radio. There are many reports of frying the radio by using 'universal' cell phone antennas.
In conclusion.... GIVE IT UP!
There is no usable gps in the hermes!
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If they used a chip and it had GPS as a bonus and they just ignored it, why then would the go through the troubleb of adding an external antennal connection and mod the device housing to accomandate it?

The external antenna connection is NOT for GPS. Its for the cell phone radio.
Don't believe me?
Go ahead, plug in an antenna!
Hope you can communicate by smoke signals as your cell radio transmitter final amplifier toasts itself.
THERE IS NO WORKING GPS IN A HERMES!
Do you really think that HTC would build in a feature like GPS and NOT market it?

An expensive option, Kaiser!
An expensive option is to go for Kaiser(soon to be at&t 8925 ?)
Does anyone know for sure that at&t is NOT gonna kill GPS on Kaiser? Just heard today it has pass thru FCC (
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/windows-mobile/-283367.php )

As soon as the Kaiser comes out over here I'm going to get one, it's like the WM version of the N95.

External antenna connector

Is the external antenna connector just for GSM, EDGE and the like, or can it be used for other stuff like WiFi and/or GPS antennas also?

on the top of my head i'd say yes
because it would be odd to put more then 1 antenna inside the device
when various parts could just demodulate the signals they needed from the
same antenna

Can anyone confirm this?
Rudegar said:
on the top of my head i'd say yes
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GPS: answered in this Trinity accessories thread
WiFi: asked again in this Trinity accessories thread

The external connector is only for GSM and all data bands, GPS is a other antanna its quit different than GSM or WIFI bluetooth, wifi and bluetooth are the same (both 2,4 Ghz) that's also the problem when using them at the same time.
That's my vision.

are you talking about the antenna or the system to demodulise the signal ?
all an antenna is a dipol device which acording to the nyquist frequency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_frequency rules have to be min ½ of the wavelenght of the signal it's to recieve
as it's basicly just a conducting rod it would be silly to fit more inside the case then one would need

Rudegar said:
are you talking about the antenna or the system to demodulise the signal ?
all an antenna is a dipol device which acording to the nyquist frequency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_frequency rules have to be min ½ of the wavelenght of the signal it's to recieve
as it's basicly just a conducting rod it would be silly to fit more inside the case then one would need
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Hi
That's tru and that's whet I ment ,you coud not use the same conector for different frequenties (only to receive,not the GPS)the GSM and WIFI/bluetooth antenna have no inpedance, GPS I don't know it's a 3d antenna that's all i know, so it coud not tell the differece.
And why woud the do that WIFI/Bluetooth were made for 10 meter radius and it works.
and the GPS is extra it was not ment for the market.

[Q] External antenna socket?

Does anyone know what the socket/plug on the back of the phone (under the cover) at the bottom-right corner of the battery is? It looks like a socket for an external GPS antenna or something similar...
I can't find anything related to it on here.

I think that it`s the external antenna GSM, NOT gps.
In other phones like older omnia, this connector is for gsm external antenna

Ah - looks about right. Might need that then, with the way Vodafone are round here....

Petty they did not give u the 2nd battery cover with the hole in it. Samsung normally do that. This make this phone very good for country drives now I can set it up to use external car antenna

Wlan Antenna Part Number Question

Hello,
I have the ThinkPad tablet and I wanted to use the Gobi 3000 wlan card, but I don't have the wlan antennas installed. Does anyone know what part number for the antenna, or where to get it? I even looked in Tabook, and I searched in Google and eBay. Can you point me to the right direction please?
Thank you for your time.
Sent from my ThinkPad Tablet using Tapatalk

Here's the parts list to the thinkpad:
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/0a96158.pdf
I think the antenna may be in the base cover assembly:
"Base cover assembly, 3G capable" 04W3318

gallahad2000 said:
Here's the parts list to the thinkpad:
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/0a96158.pdf
I think the antenna may be in the base cover assembly:
"Base cover assembly, 3G capable" 04W3318
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Thanks for the response.
I have looked into the PDF file that you sent me, and it has some nice info.
It seems that Lenovo does not list the part number for the antenna.
I know that the LAN and wlan are the same antenna, except for the color and length of the wire.
I have seen some pics over the Lenovo forums stating my claim, but I don't remember exactly where (I'm at work as I'm typing this).
If that's the case, then I might as well make my own antenna, or find something that is close to the real antenna.
I will update this thread if I find any more info, or if I find a way to make an antenna for this product.
I know many people has a tablet that does not have the wlan antenna installed.
One more question.
Anyone who has the wlan antenna, can you please take a look at it, and tell me if there is a part number on it?
Can you check the back of the antenna?
Please excuse my spelling and grammer for English is not my first language.
Thank you very much for all your help.
Sent from my ThinkPad Tablet using Tapatalk

D_Smitt said:
Thanks for the response.
I have looked into the PDF file that you sent me, and it has some nice info.
It seems that Lenovo does not list the part number for the antenna.
I know that the LAN and wlan are the same antenna, except for the color and length of the wire.
I have seen some pics over the Lenovo forums stating my claim, but I don't remember exactly where (I'm at work as I'm typing this).
If that's the case, then I might as well make my own antenna, or find something that is close to the real antenna.
I will update this thread if I find any more info, or if I find a way to make an antenna for this product.
I know many people has a tablet that does not have the wlan antenna installed.
One more question.
Anyone who has the wlan antenna, can you please take a look at it, and tell me if there is a part number on it?
Can you check the back of the antenna?
Please excuse my spelling and grammer for English is not my first language.
Thank you very much for all your help.
Sent from my ThinkPad Tablet using Tapatalk
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Don't know if this might help:
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2012/01/06/lenovos-thinkpad-tablet-gets-an-fcc-tear-down/

WLAN antennas
Hi,
I encountered similar situation as you are. I have TPT 183822U and has no 3G WLAN option, so I bought separate GOBI 3000 module. When I opened my TPT, I found that there were noextra antennas for GOBI. I bought from semiconductorstore.com and they carry WWAN antennas. I bought FXP14-07-0100A (Cell hepta-band) and PC27-07-0100A (Cell quad-band).
They all work perfectly for ATT 3G reception.
Enjoy!

Senore, sent you a PM. Do you mind posting some details as to how you installed them?
Many thanks!

The antennas themselves are very thin. One came with double-sided tape, so just stuck it on empty space alongside the other existing antenna. Since both antennas are thin you could position them on any space edges of either the vertical or horizontal lengths of TPT. You may have to adjust to attain the highest-bar reception of the 3G signal.

Do the parts you listed provide GPS capability as well?

I had questions like this too, here's what I came up with.
http://blogs.tech-recipes.com/jimmyselix/2011/10/06/modding-adding-3g-to-my-lenovo-thinkpad-tablet/
http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/0a96158.pdf

WLAN antenna is not a 3000 GOBI module
At the start of this thread, we were talking about where to get WLAN antenna for a GOBI module at add the 3G access-functionality of TPT.
A GOBI module cannot function as GPS. Both GPS and GOBI needs antenna. Besides the TPT already has a separate GPS module and its own antenna.

senore said:
Hi,
I encountered similar situation as you are. I have TPT 183822U and has no 3G WLAN option, so I bought separate GOBI 3000 module. When I opened my TPT, I found that there were noextra antennas for GOBI. I bought from semiconductorstore.com and they carry WWAN antennas. I bought FXP14-07-0100A (Cell hepta-band) and PC27-07-0100A (Cell quad-band).
They all work perfectly for ATT 3G reception.
Enjoy!
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I found my answer delete if possible. Sorry for the clutter.