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Atom or HP rw6828

Thinking of getting one of them, which one is a better device? Since both of there are basically the same device with different housing, is it possible for me to flash atom's ROM to rw6828 and vice versa just like those prophet like dopod 818pro, imate jamin and qdek s200?
One more question, do I really need 192mb ROM in atom exec or 128mb in atom is sufficient enough?

Get the HP my friend, the Atom and Atom Exec have faulty LCD screens. I know because I have had 3 Atoms and 2 Exec's replaced and the devices still squeal like a mosquito. O2 is horrible to deal with each time the device needs to be sent away you can expect it to be gone for at the very least a month and they do not give extended warranty for the time spent at the service centre.

Hi homer285, thanks for your reply, just curious, if there is LCD problem in atom/exec then HP should suffer the same since they are sharing the same device except for the housing and design. Anyway, I am testing the HP now, so far so good except for the wifi range and battery life...

nukie said:
Hi homer285, thanks for your reply, just curious, if there is LCD problem in atom/exec then HP should suffer the same since they are sharing the same device except for the housing and design. Anyway, I am testing the HP now, so far so good except for the wifi range and battery life...
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Not necassarily true, I am yet to hear the HP has this problem and I think you'll find there's more than just housing and design difference.

Borrow one unit rw6828 back for testing, the wifi reception not very good, I have Apple Airport Express in my study room next to my bedroom, the signal only one bar where my 4 yrs old Toshiba notebook has 4 bars. Battery life also not very good, having the phone in standby mode for about 6 hours (played 2 songs, make and received 3-4 short phone calls), the battery drain from 100% to 49%. Does Atom did the same?

O2 Atom or HP 6828 (I've found something better!)
Hi All,
After having the O2 Atom for 3 weeks, I've decided to sell it off. I hate to say this, I have been a firm supporter of O2 from the days of XDAII to the days of O2 Mini, but I am sad to say O2 Atom is the worst of the lot I have ever used. I don't think it can get any worse (hmm maybe I am wrong and it can get worse?!). Maybe all the good phones are by HTC and this real bad one is by Quatar (or is it spelt that way? Who cares, I'm never gonna buy any phone from that manufacturer again).
This is what I have found bad about the Atom:
1) Bad design of hardware buttons (both O2 & HP)
- Why would any manufacturer design a hardware that doesn't take advantage of the new OS?? WM5 was design with ease of use in mind with the introduction of the left/right hardware keys (much like the nokia h/keys).
- Imagine you get the latest OS but you still have to touch the screen to access those quick menus, is this dumb or what?!
2) FM Radio is almost useless (reception & design)
- Poor reception (my pocket radio gets better reception, but then again this is a PDA phone so what the heck ..)
- Poor design because you need to have the wired headset attached to it when you want to hear the radio!
3) Cheap Plastic Cover
- Reminds me of the USD2 cheap nokia cover made in china (both the HP & Atom) squeaks, both the top and bottom does not allign properly
- I personally feel that both the XDAII & Mini built is much better (feels more solid)
- For the price you are paying for the Atom Exec, we should be getting the state of the art carbon fibers casing.
After I have sold it off, I have moved on to the Dopod 838pro. Any regrets? Other than the steep price (hey it's only USD100 more that then Atom Exec..) & microSD, it's a dream phone!!
Specs:
- GSM 850/900/1800/1900, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS(3G), HSDPA(3.5G)
- 13 hardware keys (1 dedicated video call key)
- a side slide out keyboard (w smart backlight) & Real Wheel (not jog dail)
- 2M pixel camera
- 802.11g Wi-Fi (802.11b compatible)
- 128mb flash 64mb RAM
... I can't ask for more. So .. for those planning to get an Atom Exec ... I would strongly recommend you check out the 838 Pro or in some place it's called the TyTN, HTC hermes, O2 Trion, Qtek 9600, iMate JasJam etc ..

HP 6828 Battery issue can be solved
Well you can certainly address the battery issue on the 6828 with success. Find help thru the link here

choice between 3300 and 3600

hi guys. need some help!! time to upgrade frm mda vario. looking at 3600 aka orange m700 and 3300 aka tmobile compact 3/ o2 orbit. if we leave out the 3g function of the 3600 which would you choose. if the advice is 3300 would it be tmobile without wifi or o2 orbit, although tmobile web and walk tariffs are good. please heeelp. thanks in advance.

rags_999 said:
hi guys. need some help!! time to upgrade frm mda vario. looking at 3600 aka orange m700 and 3300 aka tmobile compact 3/ o2 orbit. if we leave out the 3g function of the 3600 which would you choose. if the advice is 3300 would it be tmobile without wifi or o2 orbit, although tmobile web and walk tariffs are good. please heeelp. thanks in advance.
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There are only 2 reasons that I can think of to choose the P3300 over the P3600...The P3300 has a wheel thingy and a roller ball in the middle, that would be personal choice, but I like the Dpad better. The P3300 has a slower processor so the battery lasts a bit longer, however if you limit the connection on the P3600 to Edge then it saves battery life. Otherwise, they are almost the same size. Why anyone would buy a P3300 now that the P3600 has GPS is a mystery to me.

Or hold off until June for the P4550

dew.man said:
Or hold off until June for the P4550
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True. I just checked the specs again on the P4550.
Some things I liked:
USB 2.0 (finally not nec. to take out the card for file transfer)
Autofocus Camera
Slide out keyboard with a case the size of a Trinity
Increased ROM to 256mg (supposedly)
WM6
Things I didn't like:
Micro SD (this is a big negative unless 4gb microSD cards become available)

Matterhorn said:
There are only 2 reasons that I can think of to choose the P3300 over the P3600...The P3300 has a wheel thingy and a roller ball in the middle, that would be personal choice, but I like the Dpad better. The P3300 has a slower processor so the battery lasts a bit longer, however if you limit the connection on the P3600 to Edge then it saves battery life. Otherwise, they are almost the same size. Why anyone would buy a P3300 now that the P3600 has GPS is a mystery to me.
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I've heard bad things about the GPS in the P3600, it seems to have a very bad sensivity compared to the P3300's top notch Sirf III.
Another point in favor of the P3300 would be its free upgrade to WM6.

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I've heard bad things about the GPS in the P3600, it seems to have a very bad sensivity compared to the P3300's top notch Sirf III.
Another point in favor of the P3300 would be its free upgrade to WM6.
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Well, my experience is that in real world use, you don't see much of a difference. I have a SirfStarIII GPS too so I can compare, the Trinity is slower to lock on a cold boot, but once the Trinity is locked in it just works. I believe WM6 will come to the Trinity one way or another eventually.

I bought a P3300, but as soon as I discover that the P3600 has also GPS I exchanged the P3300 for a P3600.
P3600 vs. P3300:
P3600 has 3G + irda + 400Mhz
P3300 has radio + StarSirf III
I have tested both of them and I can say that although many people here says that there is no difference in the GPS, I can assure you that there IS a difference, mainly in cold start time and dilution of position, with my P3300 once you get the position fixed it stays centered around the real point with little dilution, with the P3600 I get change in position of between 5 and 30 meters without moving the HTC. If you are looking for a really good GPS the P3300 is the way to go, the P3600 is not good enough for difficult geocaching.
But.... I have also to say that although many people would tell you that 200Mhz in the P3300 is enough, I was quite unhappy with 200Mhz, many apps, starting by the GUI of WM5 would run slower and you can clearly notice it if you check both of them. Besides 400Mhz 3G (for the future) and IrDA (for the past) are good things. The P3300 has an integrated radio, but my iRiver HP-120 has it too (I won't use my P3600 as a mp3/radio player) so I can live without it.
Conclusion... I exchange a P3300 for a P3600 and I'm really happy, I think that the P3600 is the almost-definitive pocket pc, if they would have put a StarSirfIII in it I think I would keep it forever, anyway I don't look forward for a N95 or an iPhone ... P3600 fulfills all my needs. My recomendation ... if you need very high precission GPS go for the P3300 in other case, the P3600 is the MACHINE!
:-D

The accuracy of GPS on my P3600 is indecipherable from that of my old TomTom 500. The only difference is the cold start time to get first fix.
I have heard many things about the slow processor in the P3300 not being able to cope with many popular applications. It is I think half the mhz of a P3600 cpu.

The 3300 CPU is slower but its not directly proportionate to clock speed, its battery life will also be better. I have had no problems running any applications on my 3300 and if I overclock it to 250MHz then I would say it out performs my previous BlueAngel at speed over 300MHz.
The thing I really like about the 3300 is the jog dial / trackball - best control device I have used on a pocket device.
3300 has got a major issue regarding MicroSD card corruption though which may be WM5 related.
What memory card type does the 3600 have?

P3600 has miniSD

Matterhorn said:
Things I didn't like:
Micro SD (this is a big negative unless 4gb microSD cards become available)
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Hopefully it will be fully SDHC compatible, which is expected since it is a much newer device and hopefully HTC will have addressed the problem. If so, 4GB MicroSD cards will become available soon, SanDisk and Kingston have already announced them.

p3600 over orbit
i did have an orbit for a month could not live with slow prossesser and no 3g band
i now have spv m700 upgraded rom to dopod d810 and if you can do without radio its much better than orbit its faster and it has hsdpa system lets put this way its like a ford and bmw so which one you go for?

Happy P3600 User
Now that I got the official GPS-enabled ROM from HTC I am very happy with the Trinity/P3600. I agree with the earlier comments that if your main focus is GPS, then the built-in receiver in the 3600 may not be the ideal choice. That said, there's nothing to stop you using a BT receiver. I find the built-in works just fine and actually got rid of my BT receiver.
What really impresses me is the 3G connectivity, which finally makes internet access on a mobile really worthwhile. On a 3G network (which seems to be spreading daily), I can download e-mails, surf the web and make phone calls, all at the same time. It's so fast and reliable, I can even stream internet radio while driving to work!
I was thinking of getting a 4350 for the slide-out keyboard, but I'm not giving up 3G for anything. I will definitely look at the 4550.

artemis plus touchflo rom - better than the Elf?

Hi All,
Tryign to satisfy my gadget craving with another HTC device to replace my Wizard. Looking at the Touch (cool, but not many buttons and no radio/GPS) and the Artemis.
If I were to put some of the later Touchflo ROMs on the Artemis, does it add *all* the Elf/Touch functionality? Is it as slick as the touch but with more features?
Would really appreciate advice from someone who's compared the two..
Ric

Hello, I have both. Artemis with touch flo rom and a new touch elf. I prefer the touch elf, it is slimmer and easier to carry in the pocket. Besides with a external gps receptor the performnace is better. I use the Holux 1200 and it is more precise.

Just a quick one, M700 or HTC Touch?

I have an M700 and XDA has helped me loads to get it where it is now. It does everything i need, but the HTC Touch looks better! Materialistic, i know but what the hell.
Don't know much about the HTC Touch, hope thats the right name for it. Seen a picture with a keypad slide down on it. Is that on all models or are there 2 versions?
So anyway, to the point, orange are offering me a upgrade, shall i take it? Presume it has built in gps, a must as i use tom tom on my m700.
Many thanks George

for many parts it's a downgrade
Trinity http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Trinity
HSDPA
wifi
cpu400Mhz
gps
elf http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf
EDGE
no wifi
cpu201Mhz
no gps
if you want a new one
get touch II
kaiser
or the new touch cruse

Thanks for that. Great links! I'll stick with my M700 then, i didn't realise it was that much better.

Polaris = Trinity II?

Got a quick question. I've been looking around for a new pda. I currently own a Trinity and am wondering if the Polaris is equivalent to a Trinity II? Similar to how there is a TyTN and now there is a TyTN II, except with the name change.
I know the Polaris has streamed from the Artemis i.e. P3300, but the specs and alias model name (HTC P3650) seem like it can possibly be a the new Trinity? Or is HTC going to release a Trinity II later this year or in the near future?
I'd like some helpful input if possible. Thanks a lot.

fried_potatoes said:
Got a quick question. I've been looking around for a new pda. I currently own a Trinity and am wondering if the Polaris is equivalent to a Trinity II? Similar to how there is a TyTN and now there is a TyTN II, except with the name change.
I know the Polaris has streamed from the Artemis i.e. P3300, but the specs and alias model name (HTC P3650) seem like it can possibly be a the new Trinity? Or is HTC going to release a Trinity II later this year or in the near future?
I'd like some helpful input if possible. Thanks a lot.
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Polaris=Cruise not Trinity 2
Kaiser=Tytn2
Trinity 2 is P3600i but it is made by only Dopod

fried_potatoes said:
Got a quick question. I've been looking around for a new pda. I currently own a Trinity and am wondering if the Polaris is equivalent to a Trinity II? Similar to how there is a TyTN and now there is a TyTN II, except with the name change.
I know the Polaris has streamed from the Artemis i.e. P3300, but the specs and alias model name (HTC P3650) seem like it can possibly be a the new Trinity? Or is HTC going to release a Trinity II later this year or in the near future?
I'd like some helpful input if possible. Thanks a lot.
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I think we can consider that Polaris (Touch Cruise/P3650) is the evolution of Trinity (P3600) exactly like Kaiser (TyTN II/P4550) is the evolution of Hermes (TyTN/P4500).
For me the P3600i is just an enhanced version of P3600.

i see it as Wallaby-VIII
but seriously
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

P3600i = Trinity 1.5?
fktsndr said:
Polaris=Cruise not Trinity 2
Kaiser=Tytn2
Trinity 2 is P3600i but it is made by only Dopod
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Thanks a lot for your input. Yes, I agree that P3600i is an upgrade to P3600, but in reality, physical appearance is the same. Perhaps, it is more towards a Trinity 1.5. Polaris or Touch Cruise on the other hand is very similar to a Trinity style pda phone, but seems a lot better. However, the appearance seems like it is an upgrade for the P3300. My question, I guess, is that since the Touch Cruise has been release, do you think the Trinity "style" be phased out?