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After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
The helpful Jann at T-Mobile said:
Good Morning Mr Woods
Thank you for your enquiry regarding handset updates.
So far the new AKU versions have all came out with new devices and the upgrade has never been supported from eg 2003 to 2005. if this will be available for the Crossbow then I don?t know.
From a t-mobile marketing point of view I would say it probably won't be available.
Kind Regards
Jann
T-Mobile
On 13/12/06 00:01, I wrote:
[From .CO.UK]
message:Now that Crossbow has been sighted in the wild on an Orange-branded flavour of the lovely Hermes, does T-Mobile have any kind of an ETA (be that from Microsoft themselves, TM head office or otherwise) for rolling it out to its Vario 2 customers?
I've read that Crossbow most likely won't be AKU3 of WM5, instead being an entirely new update which will be released before Microsoft release their Photon OS, and I've also seen it described as Windows Mobile 6 - but yeah, now that there's shots of an M3100 running it, it can't be that far from retail release, so I was just wondering if you had/have any plans in the works for letting us customers get it for their devices!
Cheers in advance
Christopher
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... Oh well. :/
that sucks :-(
He also is saying that there wont be a AKU3.x at all for the Hermes, and I think that's a load of BS. What he's saying is, if we want the latest AKU's, we have to buy new devices, FU buddy (the t-mobile guy that is)!
I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
If anyone has their hands on a Crossbow Hermes, get in touch with us. Buzz is temporarily detained, but source code of grabbit is available if required. What's needed?
Use Mamaich's rom dumper, the wiki solution or Pof's solution if you can. If not, contact a mod.
I suggest that it's unlikely an official Crossbow upgrade will come for Hermes. BUT the Samsung CPU has been popular and I imagine HTC will base a number of upcoming devices on the architecture. If so, a possible leaked rom may be hackable.
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I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
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A dump from WinCE is not as good as a dump from bootloader.
Someone should write a windows tool that communicates to bootloader over USB and does all the 'rbmc' commands needed to dump xbow.
Sleuth255: I see you've developed several apps... are you able to write such a tool if i give you the right bootloader commands? USB is seen as a serial device.
Keeping this thread alive and on top, maybe seen before, lots of Crossbow screenshots on this site:
http://www.pgcw.com.cn/newsdetail.asp?id=1366#here
How can we make it stealthy though? I may get my hands on a CrossBow equipped Hermes during MEDC 2K7 in May, but if I do, it'll most likely be in the exhibit area for only 5-10 minutes. This is why something like buzz's solution is so compelling.
I can certainly work on an app that will pull the ROM image when a device in bootloader mode is connected up to a PC. Having this certainly increases our chances if someone does manage to get one for a few hours.
I'll see what I can code up, but IMO we should also pursue buzz's stealth solution. Go ahead and point me towards the commands pof.. I can start with the instructions you left for tsuishui.
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After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
... Oh well. :/
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Reading the message with open mind and not only with the eyes I read:
1) The man answering doesn't even knows the difference between OS and AKU. He speaks about 2003 and 2005 as AKU difference: ISN'T AKU, is a new OS release!
2) The same fellow doesn't even know the NAME of OSes! 2003 was right but we have Windows Mobile 5 an NOT 2005!
3) He is a man from the customer service, or, worst, probabily the answer comes from Tmobile marketing man, with little or no knowledge about the future of windows mobile devices, he knows about the past but seem really short sighted abut the future
4) The answer is the only answer he could give: if he will say "may be.." or "we will see" everyone will start asking WHEN, boring him from is well paid chair, so is better to say "no", beacuse "no" was the answer given since yesterday and worked! They don't sell devices, the sell radio time and traffic
5) In the Operators market strong agreements exists between MS and operators and marketing doesn't drive, they follow!
Overclock the brain reading messages and spokesmen transcripts from companies, not only eyes and be carefull when asking something simple but revolutionary to a large and with good revenues company: 90% of answers will be NO
Hi Guys
Now that HTC have said they are releasing a WM6 upgrade for the Tytn and other operators (see here)
I think it is time we started a mass pester on T-Mobile UK to release the Vario 2 Rom and Rom Updates, I have had mine since October of last year and so far it seems all other operators are providing the original rom and the rom updates except T-Mobile.
Think a massive email spam from all Vario 2 users on here would help to put the pressure on, if not just annoy them enough to stop giving us the same old answer....
Here to complain
I tried that a few weeks back, and they gave me a flat out "no" and the main bulk of their message was that if I wanted WM 6 then I would have to purchase a newer device.
What a load of drivel from them, they are being ultimate t****rs, I have sent another spam mail to them asking what is going on!
I am doubtful I will get a decent reply. What is annoying is HTC are providing the ROM royalty free to the operators! Why are the end users not seeing the benefits in a rom release from them, even the original rom isn't being released as of yet. I know we have the hard work of Cluster, JJ and others creating WM6 but it would be nice of T-Mobile UK to support their users!
Sorry to rant just getting a little miffed off with them!
I know the feeling i've got both the mda's on t-mobile uk and i've seen a rom update (not wm6 mind up the aku 3.3 update) for the mda vario but not the vario 2, so to get wm6 like i'm running on the hermes i had to use a rom that i downloaded from xda. if i have to send it back to be repaired i'm buggerd as t-mobile dont have a rom download for it so i can download to wm5, looks like t-mobile uk are supporting the ameo now and the newer devices
I have send them a uber snotty email I wanna know why there is a lack of support for the device after only 9months!
A response and its not a no or a yes
Thank you for your further Email.
There has been discussions regarding a ROM update for the MDA Vario II to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6, however there has been no clarification as to whether T-Mobile will be providing this as yet.
Any ROM update that is available for any of T-Mobile`s SDA and MDA range of handsets will always be updated onto the following T-Mobile run download website, the link for this is as follows:
www.tm-phonedownloads.com
I would recommend trying this site periodically for any updates or possibly enquire at a later date for any developments.
I am sorry if this is not the answer you were hoping for.
If we can help further please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
David McAnally
T-Mobile
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David McAnally
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*Sniggers like a juvenile* How apt.
does someone know when WM6 will be released for the X7500?
I'd like te know a date or something.
You took the time to make a new thread, so you know how to use search I'm sure.
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You took the time to make a new thread, so you know how to use search I'm sure.
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Quite. Not the most auspicious start to membership of xda-developers.
hetallerbeste, may I suggest you read these two threads urgently:
Read me first (note there is also a Advantage wiki)
And don't forget to read me - all of the posts are relevant.
I think one irrelavent post pointing out the search and not answering his question is enough....
Hetallerbeaste no one knows when the WM6 update will be officially released its meant to be sometime in June/July probably expect July given
1. HTC's usual lateness with these things
2. The knowledge that the X7501, which comes loaded with WM6 goes on sale August, 1. Therfore theres the likelyhood that you'll see the ROM in that time frame.
Then again point 2 could be useless given that there are 4 upcoming WM6 roms likely to be launched at same time, but nevertheless June/July is about as close to a release date as there is.
HTC is already advertising with the X7501. It seems a matter of time before this is "leaked" to this forum.
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_x7501.htm
Cheers
According to this (June 11, German language) news item, T-Mobile Austria confirmed WM6 updates in line for the Ameo (Athena/X7500), Vario II (Hermes) and Compact III (Artemis).
The ROMs are supposedly in testing now an "will be made available to customers within the next couple of weeks".
Whatever that means, if we allow up to 6 weeks of testing, the updates might indeed turn up by early August.
Regards,
Darkguy
hello ppl...
a bit of an FYI here, but I just got off the phone with i-mate support and I pressed the issue of an official WM6 update for the Jasjam which won't void the warranty (that would also fix A2DP issues and such). The lady on the other end said that they are currently working on the new ROM and expect to have it out by the end of this month. I guess this has gotten my hopes up but I also know that i-mate is a lot of talk and no action as well. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. But come the end of the month, I will definately be calling and nagging them. That said, it was a real pain trying to find their phone number. They don't make it easy.
Its nice to dream Imate phone support is pathetic..Go and have a read of there forums.
"Dear Sir,
Thank you for contacting club i-mate™ Technical Support.
With regards to your query, please do note that we will not release a Windows Mobile 2006 ROM upgrade for the JASJAM or for any previous similar devices (e.g JASJAR, K-JAM, JAMin).
It is definite that we will only issue WM6 for the recently released i-mate™ devices (e.g. JAQ3, PDAL) and for the forthcoming Ultimate Devices - https://www.clubimate.com/ultimate/.
In addition, just in case you'll find a WM6 upgrade from other websites, we strongly advised you not to use it as it will only bring faults to the device.
If you have any other concerns, please do not be reluctant to contact us and we will be delighted to support you.
Regards.
Technical Support - i-mate™"
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hello ppl...
a bit of an FYI here, but I just got off the phone with i-mate support and I pressed the issue of an official WM6 update for the Jasjam which won't void the warranty (that would also fix A2DP issues and such). The lady on the other end said that they are currently working on the new ROM and expect to have it out by the end of this month. I guess this has gotten my hopes up but I also know that i-mate is a lot of talk and no action as well. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. But come the end of the month, I will definately be calling and nagging them. That said, it was a real pain trying to find their phone number. They don't make it easy.
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they will be releasing a official wm6 update (ENU) until Jan 2008
there exist some wm6 rom updates in chinese and arabic and there is one
non official for the jaq3 im talking about the rom for the ubiquio 501 the ugly brother of the jaq3 if you are willing to risk you can try the ubiquio rom in your device of course having the backup files of the original & official imate rom
Need to Vent!
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Well, with all these mixed responses from i-mate, I just called them up again to enquire about this WM6 ROM which was supposed to come out end of September. The lady said this time, "we are testing the ROM now and expect to release it by November. Many people have asked the same question. I assure you everyone will know when it is out".
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Have these people never heard of project managers or sticking to deadlines? Come on i-mate - HTC and Dopod released their official ROMs a long time ago. i-mate are absolutely hopeless! If i-mate management requires someone to come in, do some hiring and lots of firing, cut costs and increase productivity, let me know. If it wasn't for that 2 year warranty that they have, I would have used a cooked ROM a long time ago. Also, just on another aside, warranty repairs done in Australia take 1 month. Why??
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I still love the HTC products and my phone, and the next phone I get will definately be HTC branded (never again will I have anything to do with i-mate), and all the people on this forum are absolutely fantastic
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Hello Dinty,
I have a 2 yr warrenty with my jasjam, I flashed to WM6 (dopod official release)
Would not go back now. Hopefull if there is a fault, I will still be able to flash back. Unless I brick it during flashing, everyon knows here that WM6 will not fail your device.
warhammer, I got a different reply from Imate, much kinder about cooked rom upgrades, see below:-
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting Club i-mate™ Technical Support. As per your query, be informed that however there is several Rom builds available on the internet such http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=355 but we didn’t release official WM6 Rom build for any i-mate device yet as we are currently investigating possibility of installing WM6 on our devices.
Note: Rom build available on any website other than www.clubimate.com is considered Third party Rom build and we don’t guarantee its usability or functionality.
Please do not hesitate to contact us, we’ll be happy to assist you
Best Regards,
Technical Support - i-mate™
need to reinstal wm 5 on imate jamin
hi can anyone tell me what to do.I have a used imate jamin italian version,i'm trying to register it on imate.com but the previous user already was registered with the imei and s/n,so wont let me subscibe.I need to change the language from italian to english only way is to reinstal wm 5 full version in english.please if anybody has something that can help me,my e- mail is [email protected]
thanks
qwsoftware said:
I have a 2 yr warrenty with my jasjam, I flashed to WM6 (dopod official release)
Would not go back now. Hopefull if there is a fault, I will still be able to flash back. Unless I brick it during flashing, everyon knows here that WM6 will not fail your device.
warhammer, I got a different reply from Imate, much kinder about cooked rom upgrades, see below:-
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Hi Qwsoftware,
Have to say that I am amazed by the response they gave you. When I called back in September, they had said that by using a non-standard ROM the warranty would be instantly void. It sounds like i-mate have a clear case of "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing". That said, I was never in the biggest rush to upgrade to WM6 back then, but now that I require more space (such as from a 6GB or 8GB microSDHC card) and would like the extra stability, I reeeealy want WM6.
l.e749 said:
hi can anyone tell me what to do.I have a used imate jamin italian version,i'm trying to register it on imate.com but the previous user already was registered with the imei and s/n,so wont let me subscibe.I need to change the language from italian to english only way is to reinstal wm 5 full version in english.please if anybody has something that can help me,my e- mail is [email protected]
thanks
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hi l.e749,
Firstly, this is the forum for the HTC Hermes / i-mate Jasjam. The forum for the i-mate JAMin is the same as the HTC Prophet. Also, ROM's are one of the most discussed things on this forum.
Look at the WIKI under ROMs and Upgrading:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet
and also, search the forums:
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:http://forum.xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all
I've got a jasjam and im just annoyed iMate haven't bothered yet, theres text all over their website that says they wont be bothering either. Considering we've been hearing mixed sources on Wm6 for Jasjam for ages, i wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't come out.
It's all this crap that makes me never want to buy an imate/o2 device again, i'll be purchasing from Dopod/HTC next time. O2, my atom was average with lots of issues that couldn't be fixed. Jasjam, in my opinion after sales support is just CRAP.
Hello!
I send to HTC a mail with a question will and when will be a new ROM upgrade to a new WM6.5.3. for HD2.
Here is HTC answer:
"Dear QQQ,
Thank you for contacting us,
Kindly note that your device was manufactured for the Czech Republic. So regarding any updates or hotfixes for your phone it’ll be through the Czech Republic page. However, the compatible Rom Upgrade for your phone is not yet released on that page. But it should be released soon. Kindly check on our website from time to time regarding new releases for new softwares."
So does it mean it will be or it will be only a new ROM with "old" WM6.5?
What do you think?
The answer is not really and the guy from HTC who answered doesn't seem to know what you were talking about when you mentionned WM6.5.3...
I don't think we should wait for a 6.5.3 upgrade, 'cause even if it's a minor upgrade, it's the same situation than for the HD which was released with WM6.1 and never upgraded officially with WM6.5 :/
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it's the same situation than for the HD which was released with WM6.1 and never upgraded officially with WM6.5 :/
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Which is why I cant wait for WP7S at least then we'll get OTA updates straight away instead of having to wait for htc or phone operators to offer up a updated ROM
It would be very sad if they dont make compatabile 6.5.3 ROM for HD2. It's silly if they just stop in inventing in HD2
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It's silly if they just stop in inventing in HD2
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Well lucky for us, we have XDA.
wow he was really talking out his a$$ it would of been announce one way or another through some blog. now and days its hard for some one to keep things in the low especially HTC now that their getting to be bigger and bigger by the minute. i would see that coming from palm or danger (sidekick) nobody even cares about them any more so if they release some update nobody would really care other than device owners. sorry for getting out of the topic a bit but 6.5.3 would see the light by the end of the end of year microsoft putting all their brains on windows 7. hd2 for t-mobile might be the last windows 6.5 of the year in a american carrier
I ask this question to HTC: "Is the HTC HD2 going to get a windows mobile 6.5.3 ROM upgrade?"
And this is their answer: "Dear Eric Lui, Thank you for choosing HTC! Regarding to ROM update issue, we are sorry to inform you that currently we do not have the information of the WM6.5.3 ROM upgrade for HTC HD2. If any update in future, HTC will release the news on the website once any update, Please pay attention to our Official website for the update. In addition, we had recorded your information, and we will inform you in advance once any update related with HTC HD2. Thanks a lot for your understanding and cooperation."
Hope this can help.
HTC releases too many devices and they actually don't care of upgrades for current devices. Even if it's hi-end device like HD2. They will rather release HD3 than make official WM6.5.3 ROM for HD2. You have to pay for anything
I'm using Samsung Omnia II. I like this phone and i like Samsung attitude to their products. It came originally with WM6.1. Then it got upgrade to WM6.5. Now it get another upgrade to WM6.5.3. Same phone - 2 major upgrades.
Yes, it's possible to make your own WM6.5.3 ROM, but alas you can not tweak all OEM applications to be compatible with 6.5.3. That's why official upgrade is the key point.
Without official upgrade to 6.5.3 from HTC, user won't get normal HTC dialer/callerID. They will stick either to 235xx builds or add workaround to fix incompatibility. I even don't mention about minor graphics issues after migrating from 6.5 to 6.5.3.