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keyboard attachment in tablet mode?

hi all...1st post i believe....
i am interested in this device with some hesitations as with most upscale pda-phones, one cannot go down to the store and play with one so until one can do that , he just makes templates and pretends!
well, i did previously have the i-mate jasjar and loved it, and especially the form factor, which still has me thinking if an htc omni is waiting around the corner...giving time to sell a bunch of advantages first, before the launch, but i digress.
the actual question is whether the keyboard attaches magnetically to the back of the device when using it in tablet mode, so it is in essence always with you and there is no need to remember where you may have put it when using in the tablet mode.
2nd question for you users is if the joystick is appropriately functional to use one handed...at least until the device weighs you down.
thanks in advance
djsell

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hi all...1st post i believe....
i am interested in this device with some hesitations as with most upscale pda-phones, one cannot go down to the store and play with one so until one can do that , he just makes templates and pretends!
well, i did previously have the i-mate jasjar and loved it, and especially the form factor, which still has me thinking if an htc omni is waiting around the corner...giving time to sell a bunch of advantages first, before the launch, but i digress.
the actual question is whether the keyboard attaches magnetically to the back of the device when using it in tablet mode, so it is in essence always with you and there is no need to remember where you may have put it when using in the tablet mode.
2nd question for you users is if the joystick is appropriately functional to use one handed...at least until the device weighs you down.
thanks in advance
djsell
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On mine, the x7500/Advantage, the keyboard does magnetically attach but it's very weak and slides all over the place. I just keep my device in the case because I've learned that if the case is not protecting the device, the device gets scratched up. Since I keep it in the case, when I do use it in "tablet mode" I just bend the keyboard part of the case behind the main unit and all is well. Hope this answers your question #1. An alternative is to utilize a full screen keyboard and eliminate the use of the hardware keyboard alltogether.
I don't really use the joystick much. I use a combination of Microsoft Voice Command and when I need to browse I use the stylus.
Hope this helps bro.

I use my Dopod u1000 directly in my ocket without any protection case.
Belive me , I was owner of jasjar and HTC Advantage is the only one device so far ...

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I don't know where you are based but my local T-mobile store (in London) was happy for me to play with an Ameo for quite a while (presumably because they get a hefty commission). That may apply elsewhere.
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well, i did previously have the i-mate jasjar and loved it, and especially the form factor, which still has me thinking if an htc omni is waiting around the corner...giving time to sell a bunch of advantages first, before the launch, but i digress.
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I too came from a Universal and think the Ameo's great (even more so now I have Salling Clicker!). The Omni keeps on coming and going. Without wishing to be profane - there are other options if you want to keep the Uni format (Imate Ultimate 7150, Toshiba G900 etc)
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the actual question is whether the keyboard attaches magnetically to the back of the device when using it in tablet mode.
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No. I tend to leave the keyboard at home or in the case.
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2nd question for you users is if the joystick is appropriately functional to use one handed...at least until the device weighs you down.
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It is perfectly positioned for your left thumb in landscape or portrait mode. And the Ameo is not that heavy!

thanks for the responses, they are quite helpful!
responses to some responses:
i am in ann arbor , michigan, USA and t-mobile does not have it available here for "playing"......yet?!?!
i guess the answer to the kb attaching to the back of the device when using in tablet mode is that it does but slides off?, meaning it was not meant to attach or it is faulty, bc from what i see/hear about the magnet it is supposed to be quite strong.
i hesitate to wait for the i-mate ultimate bc in photos it appears "cheap" looking and have found the htc devices are of good, sound durable make, and i have had cheaper devices that are lighter but i believe the sacrifice of durability and incr weight is worth it, ie., the jasjar.
i did not know the G900 was a convertible pda-phone....i will check on it and google "salling clicker", as i have not heard of that either!
for me using the virtual kb defeats the purpose of the form factor as i love to have the device sitting on my bedside table in laptop or reverse laptop mode for viewing and the keyboard acts as the stand/cradle...i guess the advantage could NOT be used in reverse laptop mode as i think of it?!
also, for me the idea of protecting the large screen with the keyboard is a must at all times when stored away.
thanks all, the responses are making me lean toward trading up my o2 xda trion for the advantage.
i wonder if i can sneak it past my wife without her knowing!!
djsell

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thanks for the responses, they are quite helpful!
i guess the answer to the kb attaching to the back of the device when using in tablet mode is that it does but slides off?, meaning it was not meant to attach or it is faulty, bc from what i see/hear about the magnet it is supposed to be quite strong.
i hesitate to wait for the i-mate ultimate bc in photos it appears "cheap" looking and have found the htc devices are of good, sound durable make, and i have had cheaper devices that are lighter but i believe the sacrifice of durability and incr weight is worth it, ie., the jasjar.
i did not know the G900 was a convertible pda-phone....i will check on it and google "salling clicker", as i have not heard of that either!
for me using the virtual kb defeats the purpose of the form factor as i love to have the device sitting on my bedside table in laptop or reverse laptop mode for viewing and the keyboard acts as the stand/cradle...i guess the advantage could NOT be used in reverse laptop mode as i think of it?!
also, for me the idea of protecting the large screen with the keyboard is a must at all times when stored away.
thanks all, the responses are making me lean toward trading up my o2 xda trion for the advantage.
i wonder if i can sneak it past my wife without her knowing!!
djsell
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OK - responses to some of the responses to some of the responses!
Shame there's no unit to play with. I've never understood why it is that some companies expect customers to part with large amounts of money on things like this without being able to try them first. Good luck on that.
The magnet is strong - but only on the front. I have never heard that it was supposed to be usable on the rear. That suprises me a little as suerly that would require some extra shielding??
I agree re HTC phones. I am, however, just about to send my third Universal back to be repaired.
The problem with the trion is that it didn't really add anything over the Uni.
As to protecting the screen - a good screen protector is obviously a must. I have also fitted a body shield.
Good luck
BTW - regarding sneaking it past your wife - you'll be lucky.....

apd,
thanks for the responses to the responses to.........well you know where i'm going!
i'm still caught in that "love the small compact size, but love that large vga screen even better", dilemma...until a fold out screen is reality i have to choose one over the other.
i am a doctor and like to have my device in my pocket all the time to use as my pda-medical software/internet device, camera for lesions, email, etc that is work related, but also use it for mp3 player for the commute home, gps and of course phone. i had the jasjar for about a year but the camera is abysmal and so i had a separate canon camera in the other pocket and it did weigh me down and got hot and uncomfortable in my pockets with 2 devices so i would end up leaving the jasjar on my desk and not using it for work at all!
the trions macro mode camera is quite good for up close photos for documentation and small enough to be comfortable in my pocket, but now i find i need more memory as the micro sd is full at 2 gb w/ music, photos and medical programs and photos, and i do miss the jasjars vga screen and form factor, sooooooooooooooooo, alas the advantage, it would solve the camera, space and screen problems and without the keyboard attached it might be small enough to be in the front pant pocket, but i have to try to see for certain.
i'll probably see if the omni surfaces before getting an advantage, unless i can get a good return policy to trial the advantage.
btw, i almost convinced my wife that my fujitsu 1510 was the same device as my fujitsu T4020 tablet until she heard me calling them different names!!!, i just slipped up!!
have a guiness on me!
djsell

The BBC have just put a video up on the Tech section of the news website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6711785.stm where they look at a Sony Ericsson G-sensor and also demonstrate the Advantage/Athena. I thought they would also mention the g-sensor on that, but they appear to only be interested in the deficiencies in the magnetic attraction between the keyboard and screen. Is it as bad as is shown? I guess the whole idea isn't to walk around and hold the unit by the keyboard though.
Andrew

The keyboard does not stock to the back is the unit. It would only to the front.
However, if you are like me in having discovered a far far better way of entering data, you would see the hardware keyboard as redundant and in fact much inferior method of input. I don't use the supplied keyboard even at home, let alone carry it with me.
I use TenGo software keyboard. It works in both QVGA and VGA mode, it is clever, there is virtually no learning curve, and typing is FAST with this magic.

Magnets in athena

I'm thinking of deconverging myself to two devices. I currently use my htc herald as my daily driver. I need to read a lot thesedays, so, small screen is not going nice for me. I'll be using athena as a standalone, non-connected device. I also have nuts on the newly released ipaq 210. Since, athena has 8GB HDD, it would be great to store my PDFs and movies.
The only thing that bugs me about athena is its magnet thing. I've head that it can destroy/format HDDs of laptops; discharge the parking cards(magnetic ones) etc. Is there anyway to stop this?
Also, putting it in its factory case removes the magnetic effect?

no the factory case is not also magnetised, without the phone being in it

the keyboard is the only magnetic part...
if dont use the keyboard you have nothing to worry about

boinger66 said:
the keyboard is the only magnetic part...
if dont use the keyboard you have nothing to worry about
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So, the main unit does not have magnets..right?

No,that's not correct.The main unit does have magnet. It's even labelled on the bottom of the unit itself.
However, I've never found it to be an issue.

eaglesteve said:
No,that's not correct.The main unit does have magnet. It's even labelled on the bottom of the unit itself.
However, I've never found it to be an issue.
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so the reports making the parking lot cards and formatting the HDDs are fake? hmm.. athena here i come

kdskamal said:
so the reports making the parking lot cards and formatting the HDDs are fake? hmm.. athena here i come
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I won't discount those report. I carry it without keyboard with a belt pouch. Therefore it never had a chance to come into contact with credit cards and parking tickets.

I've heard that the keyboard's magnet is much stronger than the magnet in the device. FWIW.

juiceppc said:
I've heard that the keyboard's magnet is much stronger than the magnet in the device. FWIW.
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Just tested it, and I can confirm that the keyboard magnet is very much stronger than the device's.
I will test a parking ticket with just the magnet device and try to deliberately wipe out its data later and report the result later.

I too am a little concerned about the magnet but don't see myself carrying around that keyboard since it makes it bigger. Also the screen on the Advantage is so big using a on screen keyboard like PCM should be fine. No?

juiceppc said:
I too am a little concerned about the magnet but don't see myself carrying around that keyboard since it makes it bigger. Also the screen on the Advantage is so big using a on screen keyboard like PCM should be fine. No?
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Using on-screen keyboard works better for me. As long you choose the on screen keyboard wisely, you should have enough real estate left to still see what you're doing. I stay away from the full screen keyboard of course. Very large ones like Finger Touch, the iphone skin of Resco, Tengo Thumbs Touch Pal, are all too big. I use Resco default skin and Tengo Nano.
Without the keyboard, tt's easire to slot this GPS into my device holder in the car without case and keyboard.

I did test it on a parking card and yes, the parking card now does not work. So, I took my associates employee badge (with magnetic strip), Put the keyboard on it for about a half hour...Now he needs another badge...So the keyboard must have a strong magnet. Although, I carry my athena on my side in a carrying case right next to my wallet and have never had any problems with my credit cards, etc...So ican it needs direct contact for a while, not the occasional wave over, etc....

eagle 1 said:
I did test it on a parking card and yes, the parking card now does not work. So, I took my associates employee badge (with magnetic strip), Put the keyboard on it for about a half hour...Now he needs another badge...So the keyboard must have a strong magnet. Although, I carry my athena on my side in a carrying case right next to my wallet and have never had any problems with my credit cards, etc...So ican it needs direct contact for a while, not the occasional wave over, etc....
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Holy ****! Can you do a test on the magnets on the device?

eagle 1 said:
I did test it on a parking card and yes, the parking card now does not work. So, I took my associates employee badge (with magnetic strip), Put the keyboard on it for about a half hour...Now he needs another badge...So the keyboard must have a strong magnet. Although, I carry my athena on my side in a carrying case right next to my wallet and have never had any problems with my credit cards, etc...So ican it needs direct contact for a while, not the occasional wave over, etc....
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OMG, what in the hell were the engineers at HTC thinking while designing athena?

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OMG, what in the hell were the engineers at HTC thinking while designing athena?
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I know. The lack of an earpiece and the implementation of those magnets keeps this from being the "perfect" device IMHO.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/magnet4.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,116572-page,1/article.html

kdskamal said:
OMG, what in the hell were the engineers at HTC thinking while designing athena?
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I really don't think there is anything wrong with the Athena Magnets. I have had mine for many months, and have never accidently had any issues due to the magnets. Yes, I have used them intentionally to try and mess up parking cards, employee badges, etc. but overall, seems to work well to attach the keyboard. ANd a lot of pouches and cases have used magnets for years.

Destroying card info. yes but not strong enough to wipe out the hard drive. Just in case you are wondering there is huge magnet motor reside in your hard drive.

Rudegar said:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/magnet4.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,116572-page,1/article.html
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May be some of the parking cards are more fragile to magnets then
But now atleast I'm less worried about the magnets
PS: the earpiece thing aint going to bother me. I'll be buying myself a SE K850i for tele communications

Just get an audio addaptor to go from the mini USB to 3,5MM socket if you want headphones wired to the device - works a treat - Mike

HTC patent for Capacitive screen stylus....

Found this interesting item on pocketnow.com Htc seem to be working on a stylus for capacitive screens. Should be interesting
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/htc-brings-stylus-accuracy-to-capacitive-touchscreen-in-new-patent

old news.....

Question is if some support must not be built in the device. There is no public working prototype, and no one said it could work with existing displays. So don't hope too much ..

Old news alright, I was hoping this device would ship with the stylus, now hoping its available to purchase separately at some stage (SCUMMVM benefits from this, as do a few other things, not needed at all for usual use of the handset).

NZtechfreak said:
Old news alright, I was hoping this device would ship with the stylus, now hoping its available to purchase separately at some stage (SCUMMVM benefits from this, as do a few other things, not needed at all for usual use of the handset).
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where are you planning to stick the stylus in?
There is no hole in the HD2 so it's useless..

Xeon said:
where are you planning to stick the stylus in?
There is no hole in the HD2 so it's useless..
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ah ok, if your phone doesnt have a hole for the stylus, your keyring, pens, wallet and similar, you can't carry one with you.

I've been waiting for it ever since i first read about it..
come on..

You can already get a stylus for a capacitive screen, the HTC one might be nicer - who knows. Some have inbuilt pens etc.

The HTC one is much nicer, it looks like an ordinary stylus with a pointy tip. The existing ones have big fat heads, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a stylus in the first place...

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defeats the purpose of having a stylus in the first place...
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absolutely!!!!!!!! what's the point? :S gimme the pointy ones

NZtechfreak said:
The HTC one is much nicer, it looks like an ordinary stylus with a pointy tip. The existing ones have big fat heads, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a stylus in the first place...
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I agree, I like the HTC version the best, however, until they come out you really only have two options...
1. Get over having a stylus (not realistic for some)
2. Buy the current versions and at least have a working solution until the HTC ones area available.

I'm in the camp that don't need a stylus, I'd just like to have one for the occasional use, so I'm happy to wait until HTC release theirs (or someone else comes up with a palatable alternative).

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I agree, I like the HTC version the best, however, until they come out you really only have two options...
1. Get over having a stylus (not realistic for some)
2. Buy the current versions and at least have a working solution until the HTC ones area available.
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3. Don't buy an HD2 in the first place. It's not the law that you have to.

I ordered a Pogo stylus with a soft tip and big head only for use when I go out with gloves... I would love a pointy tip one though so that I can run through some WM app's menus a lot easier.... I suspect the little scroll bars that pop up during some app settings changes are going to be hard to do without one

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If a capacitive screen designed for finger-only use was a good idea, there would be no market for a capacitive stylus.
If the HTC stylus works well and is affordable, I have to wonder why it's not already on the market

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You can already get a stylus for a capacitive screen, the HTC one might be nicer - who knows. Some have inbuilt pens etc.
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agreed x2! have you seen the ones on eBay? the tips are as big as your finger tip!!

mr_Ray said:
3. Don't buy an HD2 in the first place. It's not the law that you have to.
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From a work perspective it is.

eskasi said:
I ordered a Pogo stylus with a soft tip and big head only for use when I go out with gloves...
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Hmm, will that work? I'd assumed that a capacitive stylus works by establishing an electrical connection between the screen and your skin. If so then it won't work unless your skin is in direct contact with the stylus - so even a conductive stylus won't work if you're wearing gloves.

According to the report, the stylus will replace the electrical connection with the skin with some sort of magnet. If it was that easy...
I wonder if it would work if one were to dissect off a square centimetre of skin and glue it to the tip of one of the old fashined styluses...?

Cmon guys,
i have both HD and HD2 and i used the stylus on HD for less 5% of the time (never for writing). Now with HD2 i don`t even think to stylus.
I have over 100Kg so my hands were not very slim

Should HTC have provided a stylus with HD2?

I am finding clicking links which are quite small a bit hit and miss and the lighter the touch the easier it is to register a click Also registry tweaks on things like total commander are very difficult and I miss a stylus for things like this. I beleive a capacitive stylus should have been provided and left to the user to use or not. What do you think?

Nope - capacitive screens don't need styli. What they should have done is made all of the wm 6.5 menus finger friendly and maybe added a safari-type magnifying glass for clicking links in Opera.

While I was waiting for my phone to arrive, I had ordered a cheapo Pogo stylus "just in case". I've used it a few times when I first got the phone and started changing stuff in the registy, but got confident enough with my "finger poking" very quickly. Haven't used it in nearly 2 weeks now.

I think the HD2 is perfectly finger friendly. However, if HTC could have produced a stylus for the capacitive screen that was the same size as a normal stylus and managed to find room in the current case for a silo to hold it then I wouldn't have objected. Regardless of what the finger nazis would have you believe, you can still get more done faster with a stylus and ruling it out is as silly as ruling fingers out.

jakem said:
I think the HD2 is perfectly finger friendly. However, if HTC could have produced a stylus for the capacitive screen that was the same size as a normal stylus and managed to find room in the current case for a silo to hold it then I wouldn't have objected. Regardless of what the finger nazis would have you believe, you can still get more done faster with a stylus and ruling it out is as silly as ruling fingers out.
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I agree. The transition from stylus to finger may be ok for people with slim fingers but my fingers are not slim, I have bloke hands so a stylus for me is essential for some operations like editing the registry.
The possibility of screwing something up with a large fingered prod after using that slider thing to navigate to the right registry key doesn't bear thinking about. That alone stopped me in my tracks mid regedit and made me go to the bay and buy a pogo.
Koreans and snake hipped ladyboys might find styluses obsolete but some actual men use these devices, some of us have been doing so since they were invented and some of us are over 40
HTC ought to have included a stylus, whether the user chose to use it or not.

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I am well over 40, neither Korean nor a ladyboy... but quite tall with quite big hands and not so small fingers...
And I got used to the touch screen after some practicing... after having some experience from Apple devices.
"Problem" is maybe that HD2 is really fast with everything. One has to get used to the sensibility of the screen and the sheer speed.

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Should HTC have provided a stylus with HD2?
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Yes.
Next question?

Im also using pogo stylus, works great and regarding registry editing on mobile i use CeRegEditor which basically connects from PC to mobile registry and on PC you can fast and easily edit it.

compact_bijou said:
I agree. The transition from stylus to finger may be ok for people with slim fingers but my fingers are not slim, I have bloke hands so a stylus for me is essential for some operations like editing the registry.
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Erm finger size not quite an excuse ... I've got slim fingers, true (I'm a girl), but instead I have long nails to contend with (and I mean long - they "stick out" by about half an inch) so I had to find the right angle to poke at. Agree with you that it would have been nice of them to include a stylus anyway and let the user decide.

i really need a slim stylus...i use VNC/RDP alot and with this phone it's quite impossible.

tictac0566 said:
One has to get used to the sensibility of the screen and the sheer speed.
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I'm getting there with the sensitivity of the screen vs the insensitivity of my digit (it's only been 6 hours) but I have to say that I'm delighted to have finally found a hand held device which fast enough to work my way.

Will be doing an indepth review of the Note - let me know your questions!

Hi everyone,
I'm getting a Note (whenever it does actually release that is).
Keen to know what questions you have about the device? Either ask here, or post a comment here (it'll probably be easier for me to track questions via the blog).
Will also be getting a Razr and Nexus if you have questions about those handsets.

Hey!
I can't wait to get this phone!!
The stylus looks interesting, and I'm keen to know whether it feels "right" as a pen and paper substitute. Can you write on the screen easily without the stylus dragging too much/feeling too slide-y etc? I'm talking purely as using this as pen/paper rather than using handwriting-recognition etc.
Oooh - also, if this is something you were planning to do, I'd be interested to know how Divx/videos look/work over HDMI out
And battery life is always a good Q, although I know it normally takes a week or two to get a feel for this.
Very jealous of your new phone! Thanks for your report

Thanks man, I waiting for one myself. My one question is: When can I upgrade to ICS? Not easy for to answer
An overall comparison between the devices would be nice.

I am so hopeful that it will come to the US on AT&T, I'll skip the SGS II for this one! I'm very interested in the stylus and its functions, if you could go over that I'd appreciate it.

Please try to include stuff that other videos don't.
It seems like the videos cover the exact same stuff over and over - it's incredibly boring. I'm close to making my own video actually, if I don't see a review that I like.
Stuff I want to know, for example:
1) Most of the stylus writing demos are stupid. They write 'HELLO' or "BOB' in huge finger paint letters.
That's not how it's supposed to be used. It's supposed to emulate a pad of paper and a pen. Can you write, say, a shopping list on it? Is it comfortable to write on? Does it have enough friction or does the stylus slide all over the place? Is it really noisy and would annoy everyone around you? (plastic vs glass = tap tap tap generally) How comfortable is the stylus?
How well does say, a regular capacitive stylus work? what exact functions will you lose? (pressure sensitivity, screenshot button, anything else?)
2) Show some pocket tests. Show how easily it slides into say, a front jeans pocket. Then sit down. Do jacket pockets, or whatever. People always ask how pocketable it is.
3) Ideally show some useful ways to use the stylus.
There's a demo of some guy circling the weather map and writing 'nice weather'. is anyone really going to do that?
The 'trace an outline to crop'- that's clever. Anything else like that?
A better example is to say, take a screenshot of a map, with buildings circled that you want to visit. I think a stylus is at its best when annotating things like documents or whatever.
4) Does the s-pad scroll, like you are a window above a larger sheet of paper? or is a fixed block?
- Frank

Pocket tests +1.
Like jeans, trousers etc. Might as well have to completely refresh my wardrobe for this.

One thing that I did not see yet is how the applications would look like in 1280x800 and compare to let's say a regular 800x480.
Can we return to a 800x480 mode if we want (with a reduced window)?
How easy is it to crop images ? What are the different functions of the built in drawing program?
Are there any other apps for taking notes compatible with the pen ?
Does the pen work as a mouse in a VPN connection/remote connection to a Windows system ?
On the audio outputs, what is the maximum output level?
Can you take pictures with the volume buttons ?

Hi,
Im interested much on Note, because dont want to have both smartphone and tablet PC, so hope Note can replace both.
Im worry about matter, said on some forum & review: Note as phone is too big but as web browser is too small.
Also with a high price, i worry to buy very expensive but not for daily use product.
Pls give your review how Note is comfortable for the daily use?, Can it completely replace a smartphone and tablet ?

kunalparwani said:
Pocket tests +1.
Like jeans, trousers etc. Might as well have to completely refresh my wardrobe for this.
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Here is a nice video that shows the note fitting into some jeans. I have seen most of it before, but the pocket demonstration is not till after the 14 minute mark!
BTW, I have a Dell Streak 5" and its actually a little longer than the Note. Fits into my pockets fine, even with Otterbox case...
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk

Where you getting it from and how much @nztechfreak
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium

DJKick_fr said:
Can we return to a 800x480 mode if we want (with a reduced window)?
Can you take pictures with the volume buttons ?
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Why on earth would you want the former?
I have some games on my current phone which don't scale, and appear in the middle. I can't stand it - the controls are impossible. ( i guess since we have the stylus it is okay, but why would you actually want this? It's not like you can open multiple windows)
I'm quite certain the answer to the last question is no - you have to use the camera app (and I beleve the galaxy s 2 is the same way)
- Frank

Is the touch experience as fluid as galaxy s2? I mean is the stylus an added bonus or a requirement? Did you try throwing it against the wall?

vuvan said:
Im worry about matter, said on some forum & review: Note as phone is too big but as web browser is too small.
Pls give your review how Note is comfortable for the daily use?, Can it completely replace a smartphone and tablet ?
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It's a matter of taste, and how you use a phone/tablet.
As far as tablet goes, would you be willing to go down to a 5.3" screen for pocketable 24x7 access? Depends - for example if you read a LOT, maybe you prefer that 7"/10" screen.
As far as replacing your phone goes - it's mostly how big are your hands, and how important is one handed usage? This is a two handed device, like all tablets.
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Can you also answer my concern?

Dragooon123 said:
Is the touch experience as fluid as galaxy s2? I mean is the stylus an added bonus or a requirement? Did you try throwing it against the wall?
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It seems just like a big S2 (I have both), the stylus is a bonus, not needed.
I didn't throw it against the wall, since my S2 has become to small, so I will throw that against the wall.
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kunalparwani said:
Pocket tests +1.
Like jeans, trousers etc. Might as well have to completely refresh my wardrobe for this.
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No, you wont have to I guess.... Until now the Note fits everywhere where the S2 fitted before.

ChodTheWacko said:
Why on earth would you want the former?
I have some games on my current phone which don't scale, and appear in the middle. I can't stand it - the controls are impossible. ( i guess since we have the stylus it is okay, but why would you actually want this? It's not like you can open multiple windows)
I'm quite certain the answer to the last question is no - you have to use the camera app (and I beleve the galaxy s 2 is the same way)
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Originally Posted by DJKick_fr View Post
Can we return to a 800x480 mode if we want (with a reduced window)?
Why on earth would you want the former?
I have some games on my current phone which don't scale, and appear in the middle. I can't stand it - the controls are impossible. ( i guess since we have the stylus it is okay, but why would you actually want this? It's not like you can open multiple windows)
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This is just in case the scaling looks odd or in case the app does not launch properly.
The scaling from iphone to ipad apps is quite bad, often I don't use the scaling for iphone apps on ipad so just making sure you can remove scaling if you want to.

Please test the audio quality in headphone out and let us know if its good or atleast any better than galaxy s2.

Test the glonas gps. How does it work? Does it work without internet connection?

Greatbape said:
Test the glonas gps. How does it work? Does it work without internet connection?
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I tried the Chartcross GPS Test and got without a SIM-Card and deactivated Wifi a fix in under 10 sec!
smeddy said:
Hey!
I can't wait to get this phone!!
The stylus looks interesting, and I'm keen to know whether it feels "right" as a pen and paper substitute. Can you write on the screen easily without the stylus dragging too much/feeling too slide-y etc? I'm talking purely as using this as pen/paper rather than using handwriting-recognition etc.
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ChodTheWacko said:
Can you write, say, a shopping list on it? Is it comfortable to write on? Does it have enough friction or does the stylus slide all over the place? Is it really noisy and would annoy everyone around you? (plastic vs glass = tap tap tap generally) How comfortable is the stylus?
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The Stylus has nearly no friction and is sliding very fast over the glass. A little tap noise is there, but not annoying. Also the Stylus is a little bit small! imho its not very comfortable to write but for me thats ok because I just wanted the big screen
ChodTheWacko said:
2) Show some pocket tests. Show how easily it slides into say, a front jeans pocket. Then sit down. Do jacket pockets, or whatever. People always ask how pocketable it is.
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It fits in a front jeans pocket but if you sit down it is visible a litte bit at the top of the pocket!
DJKick_fr said:
How easy is it to crop images ? What are the different functions of the built in drawing program?
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With the stylus very easy because if you hold the button on the stylus and hold a long tap on the screen it takes a screenshot of the whole screen!
DJKick_fr said:
Are there any other apps for taking notes compatible with the pen ?
Does the pen work as a mouse in a VPN connection/remote connection to a Windows system ?
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The Stylus works everywhere like a finger, only that it is more accurate for handwriting/drawing! I tried Gmote and it works flawlessly!
DJKick_fr said:
On the audio outputs, what is the maximum output level?
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On maximum the speaker sound is really loud. It sounds quite well. While watching a video everything sounds loud enough and clear!
DJKick_fr said:
Can you take pictures with the volume buttons ?
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Unfortunately only the on-screen button works!

ankydu said:
Please test the audio quality in headphone out and let us know if its good or atleast any better than galaxy s2.
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Please nswer my question as well.