This is for those of you with intermitent loud speaker problems especially those who have noticed problems when the stylus is inserted into the silo as mentioned here and here. Facing a daunting 4-6 week separation whilst my UK import TyTN was shipped to Germany for warranty repairs, I caved and cracked open the back.
Attached is a slightly grainy closeup (the macro on my Contax U4R sucks) showing what I found. Yes, that's the damnable clear vinyl shim (pink circle) that others have encountered. And that's a loose speaker connection (thankfully not a full blown short as I had feared).
The shim appears to have been jammed by the stylus into the loudspeaker connection (red circle) and unseated the plug 'just so' (burgandy circle) from the mobo. The case was keeping it partially seated. However the case would flex out thanks to the stylus- a condition that was probably exaggerated by the shim. Without the shim my stylus no longer comes out of the silo fully extended- but that's a small price to pay for hearing the phone ring.
In addition to what teambnet says - even if your stylus retaining block of rubber has not come off and hit the connector - that connector (see teambnets picy) is not the firmest and could easily come loose as teambnet says and cause poor/non-existent connection to speaker. Simple fix it's just a push in pull out block connector. Don't assume you have to have given your device a hard knock. Even the odd vibration over time could work this one loose.
This does not of course 100% rule-out, that some folks may have a software issue instead.
Mike
Thanks,
Very useful tip. It fixed my phone
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hello to everybody!
i got my xda trion 2 weeks ago. after one week, it was impossible to bring the stylus into the xda. so i got a new one.
after again one week, the stylus wont come out of the trion.
someone else prob's with the stylus?
greetings
karl
+ 1, probleme like a wizard too
same ting happened with my TyTN today...
+1 with one week old tytn
Same here...
First I couldn't get it out / then I couldn't get it in / then it would simply slide in-and-out freely to the point that only gravity was holding it in place (sorry if this sounds dirty, but this is what happened).
Had to have mine replaced. I've heard this issue has been around since the Wizard...
I really hope I don't have the same problem on TyTn #2!!!
After a few days of having mine suddenly the stylus was becoming enromously difficult to remove. At one point it just wasnt moving so after a forceful tug it pulled out and a tiny transparent square of plastic/rubber fell out with it. Looks like it was in there to keep it in place but i have no idea how to put it back in. Now the stylus removes fine and stays in place too :shock:
I had the same problem.
Could not get the staylus in with my TyTN.
So I did the mistake and pushed it in... a "knack" sound alerted me that something bad happened. Could not get the stylus in still... so I yanked a small rubber plastic piece from the stylus hole on my TyTN. Now I can slide easily the stylus in.
From teh reports I heard my guess is that the rubebr plastic inside the TyTN is used to firmly hold the stylus in. While without this rubebr plastic there is nothing to hold the stylus until you fully place it inside the TyTN.
andmjones said:
After a few days of having mine suddenly the stylus was becoming enromously difficult to remove. At one point it just wasnt moving so after a forceful tug it pulled out and a tiny transparent square of plastic/rubber fell out with it. Looks like it was in there to keep it in place but i have no idea how to put it back in. Now the stylus removes fine and stays in place too :shock:
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Same here TyTN 1 week old.
same here,
think I'll swap mine over for a new one.....
raptorian said:
I had the same problem.
Could not get the staylus in with my TyTN.
So I did the mistake and pushed it in... a "knack" sound alerted me that something bad happened. Could not get the stylus in still... so I yanked a small rubber plastic piece from the stylus hole on my TyTN. Now I can slide easily the stylus in.
From teh reports I heard my guess is that the rubebr plastic inside the TyTN is used to firmly hold the stylus in. While without this rubebr plastic there is nothing to hold the stylus until you fully place it inside the TyTN.
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Same here in 5 days
happend with me after 2 weeks. I've been struggling for a week, and now it's workng again! Don't know how long it will last. I hope it won't brake down, I bought Hermes thrue internetshop. Always sick to return things.
I carry something like this, and only use the tytn stylus in emergencies. I'm hoping this will reduce wear.
Same here - less than 2 weeks.
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Same here 5 days, luckley I had a replacment on order for BT problems recived that today lets see how this one goes.
me 2
my TYTN's stylus wouldn't stay in the hole.
i sent my tytn to be replaced (due to BT problems and screen alignment)
and i hope i t won't happen again.
when i put the tytn in the box to be sent so the stylus stopped falling :? )
that is odd
My stylus is a little difficult to remove at times, so I had a look down inside the stylus hole and it appears that there are three of those little pink rubber squares protruding from the side and a dark rubber 'socket' at the end to grip the tip when it's fully inserted. The pink squares are obviously there to provide a little more grip along the length of the stylus, but my guess is that even without them the 'socket' at the end would hold the stylus in place. I imagine that over time the pink rubber will either soften up or disintegrate entirely with the friction.
Solution stylus problem
I had the same problem with my stylus, my solution is take a Poster Buddy Brand name Pritt it is so called here in Holland you can place posters and photo's with it on wals, doors etc. looks like white rubber glue, think I see it in the UK with the name Sticky here you can buy it with photostores and bookstores etc. Take a small piece of it turn it between your vingers to a small ball and put it in the stylus hole after that push it to the end with your stylus.
After I do this I have no further problem with the stylus it works great.
Same issue here... the 2nd day I had it a small transparent square rubber went out of the stylus hole. Now i can put it in and out without problems...
Loose/Jammed Stylus
I'm afraid sending device back for replacement/repair for the stylus problem and loose locking keyboard may only be a temporary fix. Having had my device dismantled I can see exactly what the problesms are with both stylus and keyboard.
For the stylus there is a small block of clear plastic designed to create a friction lock to stop it falling out. There is luckily another small plastic spring lock at the far end so if the stylus is fully in it should click in and not drop out even without the plastic block. The problem is that the plastic block is not held firmly in its slot and as it gets loose creates far too much friction against the stylus which can then drag it right out.
The loose keyboards are due to the metal runners (that you see on back of keyboard partially springing apart (breaking tiny micro welds) at the ends where they lock (or not!) open and closed. These runners if they have sprung open like this will never lock firmly again unless you perform a bit of DIY.
I have performed small operations to fix both these problems and my Keyboard now locks very firmly both open and closed. The stylus issue is dealt with internally with a felt runner at a specific location. BEWARE of course performing these operations will invalidate your warranty. I can be much more specific for anyone who wishes to contact me directly particularly with the keyboard issue which requires quite a chore in dismantling the device - though I can now perform this in half an hour start to finish (Not something I'm proud of with a new device, but I had to workout just how to do the fixes!! )
Actually otherwise I think TYTN is great - superb in fact which is why I did not send it back for repair - couldn't bear to be without it!.
PS Finger around the screen method works every time for me forget all that align screen caper.
Mike
@mikechannon: Do you have high quality pictures of disassembled device where we can see the chipset references? we need to gather information on the hardware used inside the Hermes...
Hi,
The speaker on the outside of my universal (the onw you hold against your ear with when the screen is on the inside) is broken.
That started as something like a bad contact (if I pressed the phone against my ear it would work, otherwise not). Now it is not working at all.
The speaker on the LCD side is working fine.
The advice I want:
I took a look at the service manual PDF I got and disassembling the phone to reach that speaker is a lot of work. I do have experience with diassembling electronic devices and even do some soldering, etc. However, my doubt is this: I have a phone which does work, but the way I like to use it to make calls does not work.
Question 1
Is it worth the trouble to diasassemble the whole device just to check if it is indeed a bad contact due to i.e. dirt? Or will I actually risk breaking something off, which will render the complete phone useless? Looking at the service manual, one needs to use a plastic tool to actually open the phone. How easy do the hinges break off?
Question 2
Has anyone had a similar problem? Was it easy to fix?
Thank you!
Cheers,
vma
you dont need to disassemble the whole phone just disassemble the screen . It isnt that hard to do, just remove all the screws from the screen . The screen casing is difficult to budge at first but once you have freed part of it open, the rest follows quite easily.
Hi,
Meanwhile I couldn't resist and opened it...
...and I found the guilty part.
It seems that the outside speaker is actually attached to the case and uses a contact connection to the PCB. This connection is made by to metal plates, which are tiny and folded. They will compensate the varying pressure made on the case (i.e. when you press it) and I guess with time they tend to break at the fold.
This happend to one of the two contacts. First I tried to fix it, but the truth is that it is so small that it is quite impossible to do anything about it. I considered soldering a small wire, but that would require to solder the other end to the pin on the PCB, which then would mean, I could no longer use a regular replacement speaker, if this one had any other fault (unless I could clean the contact again, but trying that, I could break something else, also).
This means: now I am not able to use the outside speaker anymore...
Question: where can I purchase a replacement one? Would anyone sell me one from a broken Universal (for a symbolic price - anything over 10 Euro is too much, as I would prefer to just buy a another second hand Universal)?
And as I was figuring this out, I used the occation to fix that loose stylus!
1) Open the underside case (4 screws, then open the case all around with some thin plastic).
2) Roll a little bit of celotape and place it between the case and the pin that fixes the stylus in position.
3) Try it out until it is OK.
4) Close the case and that's it!
Cheers,
vma
Hi buddy, in fact I did have the same problem that you're having some months ago, my uni fell and since then the problem just got worst, until some day a couple months ago I opened it and fix it.
It's just like you say, the little golden plated contacts wore off, then the little speaker's metal plates just were too high to make any contact against the pcb, it's really simple, just pull the plates gently away from the little speaker, do clean both sides of the contacts (pcb and speaker's plates), i did this with a little xacto knife (be very gentle), and that's it! It worked just fine.
The problem is that in my case one of the metal plates broke off.
I tried to fix that, but it is to small for me to achive anything.
Cheers,
vma
Hi, i have been experiencing a screen display problem.
When i power on the Hermes the screen does not power on.
If i then place the Hermes on a hard surface and press down hard on the long sides at the edge of the screen i can make the backlight and display appears.
However, if i release this pressure the backlight remains on but the display will become scrambled. The scrambled display is variously showing white noise, scan lines, mispositioned graphics, and ultimately fading to white.
Also, if the phone rings the audio is distorted and crackling.
I have dismantled the Hermes as far as removing the housing for the LCD from the rest of the phone. I then opened up this housing and disconnected / reconnected the LCD flex cable that is by the very edge of the housing. Then reassembled phone. No improvement was made, in fact the display issue was made more tempermental!
However the phone stil works as i am using it at the moment as a 3g modem for my laptop.
But it is extremely frustrating / near impossible to use it for any other purpose in this condition!
I am wondering as to what the problem could be and how i might solve it?
I am thinking that the problem must be due to a poor connection / oxidation / dry solder somewhere.
I would appreciate advice as to what i could do to solve this issue myself.
Next steps???
>>> Would there be any use in spraying a little WD40 into cable contacts?
>>> Someone has suggested passing a heat gun over the PCB to bond any solder that may have cracked.... Although i am sure that this is a trick that can work with old PCBs that he plays around with i am not so sure that this would be such a good idea on the flimsy multi layer boards in the Hermes.
Let me know what you think of these ideas...
white screen
Hi..not sure which version of the hermes you have, but this has been a common problem for years. My Cingular 8525 did the same thing. I finally figured out while placing the phone into a desktop charger that it was putting pressure on one lower corner of my phone and it would go white. It got to the point any pressure on it would cause the screen to fade to white. I contacted AT&T tech support about it and even though fone was out of the warranty period(over a year) they sent me a refurb ATT branded 8525 at no charge. I've had that one now close to two years with no problems.
Hi Oleschuldad, thanks for your reply. I have the Hermes100 branded as the "ORaNGE SPV M3100". Yes i have read that the white screen issue is a major blight for the hermes phone. From what i have read It seems that there are numerous causes and the problem can be difficult to trace to a specific component. The problem that my phone has is the opposite to the what you had with your phone. In that i must EXERT PRESSURE on the phone to be able to read the display. The indication is such that i am certain that it must be the result of either loose connection / bad solder / corrosion somewhere.
Think that i will get a can of electrical contact cleaner spray and clean the contacts on the flex cables.
Looks like corrosion is definitely an issue in my phone as there is some green oxide on the round watch type battery that sits on the main board next to the contacts for the main battery.
I will have to strip the phone down again at the weekend.
I'm hoping somebody with some knowledge of the HD2's innards can help me...
My vibration stopped working on my HD2. I found the plastic LED flash cover to be 'pushed in' (with the help of a couple xda threads I dug up). Others said it was an easy fix: Open the case and push that piece of plastic back into place.
I opened up the case to correct it. But after putting it back together not only does vibrate not work, but the volume keys, speakers (both earpiece and speakerphone), flash, notification led, and camera all don't work.
I obviously screwed something up, but I have no clue what it could have been. I was very careful. One thing I'll note is that when I pulled the case apart, the plastic volume rocker went flying. When putting the phone back together I got it back into place so that I THOUGHT it should work (it was seated properly and felt "clicky" for up/down movements.
But clearly wasn't just the volume rocker that was affected. It doesn't seem that I pulled anything else loose or anything like that...
But no luck, all that I listed above is non functional, and what I'm left with is a glorified 3.5 in tablet
Any ideas?? Thanks in advance!!!
Snapped a couple quick pics which may help:
http://i50.tinypic.com/mmsa36.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/sl1kdx.jpg
Unfortunately when comparing these to other pictures of the inside of the HD2 that I found online, I fail to see any differences, or anything I could have inadvertently screwed up.
Most likely you screwed up(or disconnected from motherboard) somehow your main flexboard, but your picture are not usable for this, you should take off your motherboard+main flexboard from chassis to have a full view!
You probobly just disconnected a small cable. I have no idea of the HD2 innards but did multiple repairs of small stuffs and the flat cables hold in place by a plastic clicker pull out easily - just reopen and check them all, you should be fine.
Thanks for the input! I figured it's something like that, just one small cable. But I didn't even take off the board at all... The pictures show the full extent of the disassembly... Do we still think it's necessary to disassemble it further?
I checked all visible connections, but yeah, maybe I somehow yanked out something that is NOT visible. I'll try to check again today... In the meantime, any more ideas from anyone else? Thanks!
For al that to be not responding I would assume main-flex damaged or as mention before maybe connection to mainboard got moved during pulling cover !
Volume button can be troublesome, sometimes the little plastic caps come off but if it felt clicky should be good in that respect.
also be very carefull of thin spring metal legs that contact antenna pads on back cover, one near screw above & right of vibro motor looks a to be a bit flat. They bend easily & break easily too ...
Have u tried starting up the phone without the backing? I had this issue when I painted my housing the led cover was stopping the motor from spinning but if i took out the backing it works. So I just trimmed the led cover and now it works.
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For al that to be not responding I would assume main-flex damaged or as mention before maybe connection to mainboard got moved during pulling cover !
Volume button can be troublesome, sometimes the little plastic caps come off but if it felt clicky should be good in that respect.
also be very carefull of thin spring metal legs that contact antenna pads on back cover, one near screw above & right of vibro motor looks a to be a bit flat. They bend easily & break easily too ...
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I'm nooby with regard to this stuff; I only attempted the repair since I read in a couple other threads about multiple self-proclaimed non-super-tech savvy people were able to open it up and move the plastic LED cover for an easy fix.
So what exactly am I looking for with regard to the main-flex? Where is it? I thought I wouldn't really see that unless I removed the board which I haven't done... is it still possible I knocked it loose or damaged it? I didn't think that would be possible since I ONLY removed the back cover (though it does take a slightly uncomfortable amount of force to do so, so I guess anything can happen...).
If not the main flex cable, is there anything else specific to look at which may be disconnected? It seems to be all the stuff at the top of the phone that fails to work (camera, speakers, vibration, flash, volume keys). While the stuff on the bottom (other hardware buttons, charging jack, headphone jack, etc).
THanks!
I have given up. After being stumped briefly how to hard reset the device without the volume keys working (I have Android installed), I was able to do it via ADB from the Android dev kit.
To ebay I go...
I purchased the wireless charging cover for my Droid 4, and two LG wireless charging pads for work/home. I can't stand the beep it makes when it begins charging.
I opened up one of the pads, hoping there was an obvious speaker with some wire leads I could cut, but it's not obvious to me what makes the beep. I've attached a picture of the board if anyone has any input. I'll update this if I figure something out.
Here's a guy that pulled a speaker off the PCB with pliers, but didn't describe which component.
The speaker is actually the large box at bottom-right. I ran a knife around the edges and pulled at it with some pliers, and the top of it came off like a cover, with some piece inside. The beep is no longer emitted without this piece.
at first i couldnt figure out how to remove the back but found the screws under the four rubber nubs.
I followed the directions on the amazon link posted and pulled the entire black box off from the circuit board!
I put the thing back together and it now charges silently. I really dont see how this thing ever left the design room after the prototype was made with that terrible beep sounds
Component PZ1 (Bottom Right on that picture) is the buzzer. The other black thing with glue around it (Reference L1 on the silkscreen) is an inductor, which is very likely to be part of the charging circuit or voltage regulation circuit, removing it would end in tears, as was the case with one of the guys on that Amazon page.
Also, I strongly recommend against yanking parts off PCBs with pliers. Depending on how strongly it's held on you could crack the circuit board or damage neighboring components. You really want to clean away that adhesive, being careful not to cut the PCB, and then use proper desoldering equipment (soldering iron and solder wick, hot air gun, etc.) to remove the speaker.
What's the best way to get the back cover off? I can't seem to rip the rubber nubs out.
Ok I got the back cover off, but I'm having a hard time taking off the screws that hold the circuit board to the back.
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What's the best way to get the back cover off? I can't seem to rip the rubber nubs out.
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I have a hard time with mine as well
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
Ok, I finally got sick of hearing that annoying beep. So I searched it and found this post. Did the deed and fixed it. Thanks for all the help.
Now, I would also like to find the notification sound that comes on when I place my phone on the pad.
If I turn my phone sound "off" it doesn't make the sound (obviously). But I have gone through all the settings to try to find where I can switch it off permanently.
Unfortunately I can't find it. I thought it would have been under Settings/accessory/Dock Sound but that was not it. Does anyone know how to turn off this notification???