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Network selection hierachy - Wifi vs GPRS (Kaiser)

When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
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I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.

Hi guys,
I use 3 different wifi networks during the course of a day, well 2 a day, 3 through out the week probably. Home/Work/Friends house
I have a very small data package (5mb) so i am very choosy about when I use my data connection!
Anyways, did some testing.
I already know that if I have no wifi, no data connection on, then I try and start outlook or Internet Explorer, then my data connection starts up (as it should)
now if i have my data connection on, then i turn on wifi on the phone, the wifi connection takes over and the data connection is not being used, even though it's on.
I also have no problems with when wifi is on and data is off, and if i goto outlook or IE, that gprs decides to go on. this does not happen tome (unless for some strange reason wifi cuts out, gprs tries to take over)
So i dont know if its something with your settings or not, maybe your phone goes to sleep and wifi turns off then gprs takes over, or i could be misunderstanding your question, because now that I think about it, perhaps you are asking something like..
- at home no wifi or data connection is active at that moment
- you navigate to a page in IE and instead of gprs turning on, wifi turns on/scans for lan and uses that
Yeah, that's probably waht you are asking.. haha yahoo for long winded useless post
If you figure it out, i want to know! lol

Iain.m said:
I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/

briggs81 said:
You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
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Great little utility , thanks very much for pointing that out - it at least allows me to do what I want manually - i.e. use my wifi without having to turn the phone off.
Although I know you can disconnect GPRS from the Comm manager, it also doesn't seem to have an idle time out so once an application (like Emoze) has started it up it keeps running in the background. Also, as soon as you turn it off, inevitably Emoze turns it straight back on! The NoData application gives much more control so thanks for that.
I do go abroad reasonably often so also happy to be able to use it for its primary purpose of disabling GPRS whilst roaming to avoid silly charges
It would be great if HTC could build a bit more intelligence and control into the network side of these things though.
I.

You may want to look into Schaps Advanced Config or KaiserTweak for wifi/gprs settings.
You can set timers and disconnects, etc, with those applications.

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
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The Good News: I fixed this behavior on the phone w/o any 3rd-party utilities, etc.
The Bad News: I'm not 100% sure how. :-/ My apologies. Here is what I think did it:
Make sure your browser is closed and you have no open data connections.
1- Open the Wireless Manager and make sure "WLAN" is on and "Data Connection" is off.
2- Go to Start>Settings and choose the "Connections" tab along the bottom.
3- Open "Wireless LAN," choose your home wireless network, and make sure you're actively connected to it (should see a signal quality meter, device network settings, etc).
4- Close "Wireless LAN" and while "Settings" is still open and on the "Connections" tab, open "Wi-Fi." Your list of known Wi-Fi networks should be showing: make sure your home network says "connected."
5- Close everything back out to your "Today" screen.
When my Tilt is set this way -- and actively connected to my WLAN -- the Wireless Manager grays out "Data Connections" and doesn't even respond if I tap the icon. IE automatically uses my WLAN, although it won't connect to some of its pre-loaded favs b/c, I think, they're on WAP servers and the Wi-Fi/NAT router assigns/negotiates TCP/IP protocols for your phone.
I think now I accomplish all the above by simply opening the keyboard and pressing the FN/Wi-Fi key.
FYI -- In truth, I solved this problem by installing Opera Mobile and setting it as my default browser. Opera Mobile is a full browser, i.e. doesn't use WAP.
Hope this helps. If not, sorry for this 5 minutes of your life you'll never get back. :-/
gT

Automatic connections (Wifi/3G)

Hi everyone!
I've had PDA phones since a couple of years now, and I've always been searching for something.
Here is my problem:
When the phone needs an internet connection, windows mobile automaticaly tries to connect with the 3G connection.. As I don't have an unlimmited 3G connection, it's very annoying..! That's why I have to manually turn the Wifi "ON"
What I am searching for
I'd like a very intuitive and simple software that ask (with a popup for example) which connection to use (Wifi/3G) when the phone needs the internet.
Hope you understood what i'm searching for..!

While not a solution NoData might help part of your problem in the interim.
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility/
It will at least let you disable 3G/GPRS when you need to so you don't go over.

Thanks for the answer, i know this solution.. But that's not really what i'm searching for..!

Maybe You can create a fake connection for 3G so the phone doesn't get to connect? Just an idea, haven't tried. It still leaves the WiFi problem - why there isn't an option to select which connection to use if one is needed...

depending on what rom you have im sure comm manager has buttons for wife and data connection, with basic on off control for each.
However Id have thought someone could write something which would switch between data connection enable and wifi disabled (when out and about) and the other way around when you have wifi available and dont want to use up your 3g allowance.

I don't think it's that easy
that Comm part is build into WM, so the developer would need to write a new shell that acts as internet and gives you the option of selecting the connection..
I do like the idea though

hmmm,
is perhaps feasible with Mortscript?
In which one intercepts the “Internet” call and then by Popup the choice would have?

Windows Live Services insist in using GPRS although WLAN is active

Hi,
i have a problem with the Live Services on my Xperia (Vodafone branding, Germany). Even if WLAN is active and I have no problems in going online with Opera or IE, Live Services (Messenger, Live Search etc.) still want to connect over GPRS.
I tried to set up a default internet profile, only using WLAN for every program in the network manager but Live Services don't care. They automatically activate data connection if it is set to off.
I read about a workaround for this issue in this forum (but for different devices), which said to cancel the GPRS connection as it tries to connect, while WLAN is active; but this workaround doesn't work. In this case I get an error message that the connection did not success.
The interesting issue is that most of the XPeria users obviously have the opposite problem, that they cannot open up a connection via GPRS for Live Services...
Has anybody a suggestion, about getting Live Services online via WLAN?
Thanks for any help..
tufi.
ROM-Version: 1.02.162.6
ROM-Date: 09/17/08
Radio: 1.06.25.29
Protocoll: 52.43.25.24U
Ext. : 1.0.45046.11179

.. i just figured out that, also windows update function wants to use GPRS, eventhough I'm connected to my wireless LAN..

I have the same ******* thing. Here how I work around it
1) terminate Messaging
2) close Data connection (gprs/edge)
3) start wifi
4) Start -> Programs -> Windows Live (shortcut)
5) Synchronize from Windows Live Panel

thanx for the rapid answer. I'll give it a try. But I'm pretty sure this will not work in my case; I think, I do follow these steps in general. Data connections are always off, and Messaging is only active if I really write an SMS.
The steps 3-5 are also the usual way when I try to connect with Live Messenger.
Nevertheless I will take care of them and try..

double postet the message

x-X-x said:
I have the same ******* thing. Here how I work around it
1) terminate Messaging
2) close Data connection (gprs/edge)
3) start wifi
4) Start -> Programs -> Windows Live (shortcut)
5) Synchronize from Windows Live Panel
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hi,
I just tried the workaround. But as I clicked synchronize from Windows Live Panel, this also turned GPRS on and tried to connect. Cancelling the GPRS connection led to an error message, which told me, I should make it sure, that data connection tarif is supported by my provider..

I keep getting this message despite turning on wifi, gprs... what should I do?
Windows Live was unable to establish an Internet Connection. Please check your Internet settings and make sure that you have access to data services under your billing plan. If you need help, please contact your mobile service provider.

the vodafone support hotline says, Messenger can only run in 3G mode. So the problem is officially a vodafone branding problem.
Does anybody know any chance to get rid of the built in programs without flashing the rom?

I got the same problem. And I used another ROM. Messenger can be available via WIFI.

@benny
which rom version did you use? did you flash it yourself?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=454305&highlight=vodafone+messenger
incase anyone hadnt found that.
works for me! (UK, Xperia & Vodafone branded)
good luck.

use the no data cab

How to set wifi as default rather than GPRS?

Anyway?
if better , perm disable of GPRS will be good .

Try NoData to disble GPRS. Personally I'm not having much luck with it as my TD2 keep closing it down in background.
Alternative is to deliberately set an incorrect APN so it cannot connect even when it tries.
I don't know of any method of setting a default connection type.

NoData.cab works fine in my device, but HD Tweak can do the same job, so I removed it.

Would like to do the same too, and then have my weather and emails be updated via my home network thru wireless only...
any one able to do this?

Of course you can! Using 3g or any other paying data connection when WiFi is available is simply foolish

sualc said:
Of course you can! Using 3g or any other paying data connection when WiFi is available is simply foolish
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Done spose you would like to tell me how please...i am not that clued in with the HTC device just yet...and have used alot of my data already...which i have to pay for...
Thanks..

With pleasure:
Some people say they can deactivate gprs,3g etc within windows..but as I emptied my sim credit within a minute when I first started my Topaz, I decided not to worry anymore by installing Modaco's NoData.cab (it's free,google for it) and disabling all costly data connections from my operator. After a few days I realized that nodata.cab was no longer needed because I had also HD Tweak, who can do the same.If you use it go to point 6. and disable the 3 last settings. So it's up to you:NoData.cab or Hd Tweak...and I'm sure even others utilities work aswell.

Or you simply delete the settings for 3g conections and the software will decide to use WIFI it's avaible instead 3G (because it will not work without settings.)

How do you do that? In this case you would have to do the network autoconfig again if you need 3g etc..anyway this discussion is funny because it is rare to find a thread with multiple solutions recently....I was getting bored of unsolved problems . Cheers !

sualc said:
With pleasure:
Some people say they can deactivate gprs,3g etc within windows..but as I emptied my sim credit within a minute when I first started my Topaz, I decided not to worry anymore by installing Modaco's NoData.cab (it's free,google for it) and disabling all costly data connections from my operator. After a few days I realized that nodata.cab was no longer needed because I had also HD Tweak, who can do the same.If you use it go to point 6. and disable the 3 last settings. So it's up to you:NoData.cab or Hd Tweak...and I'm sure even others utilities work aswell.
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If you activate wifi the wm will use this
instead 3g. right know i post from td2
and i use wifi and the gsm it is still active bu not in use

Ok, and what steps did you take to achieve this?

sualc said:
Ok, and what steps did you take to achieve this?
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i try it right know to be sure.
I have SPB monitor instaleted to verify the traffic.
If 3G it's active and you enable WIFI the application it will use 3G.
If the 3G it's close and open WIFI the application it will use WIFI and don't open 3G.

pauln said:
Or you simply delete the settings for 3g conections
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So it's not about "deleting" anything, you're just using another application (costs USD$19.95). May be a solution

You understand me wrong.
First solution about deleting the connection was the simplest one if you want to use only WIFI.
Second : "I have SPB monitor instaleted to verify the traffic."
I use this app ONLY to verify and to be sure were the app goes to made traffic not for directing the app.
SPB Monitor tell you if you have one or more connections how much traffic you made...
and I see what I tell you if I have 3G closed and WIFI activated the traffic was made on WIFI and 3G remain closed.
But if you have 3G connected and start after that WIFI the 3G will made the traffic.

OK I understand, may I ask you again what are the steps for your first solution?

1. if you don't want to warry about 3G connection and you don't want to use it.
-"Connection setup/menu" disable auto configuration
-"Connections/manage existing connections" and delete all the connections
- enable WIFI and all the programs will use WIFI(will be the single way)
2. If you want to use 3G and WIFI
-when you use WIFI be sure/verify the 3G connection it's closed(click on the status bar-signal strenght icon and if it's active disable it)
-afterthat enable WIFI
Otherwise if 3G it's active will be the first option for applications to acces the internet.
Try to enable Autodisconect (ADV CONFIG or HDtweak) of data connection after you use it to disconnect automatically for you.
I hope I help you.

Solution 1 doesn't work here,wasted a couple of euros ..back to my good ooold system.

i still can't disable it, i just bomb $400 for activating gprs ..
new to WM phone , so ... kinda slow .

If you only want to use wireless all the time, try the following:
Go to Start | Settings | Connections
Click on Connections icon
Click on Advanced tab
Click on Select Networks button
Programs that automatically connect to Internet should use
My Work Network
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should use
My Work Network
Cheers to SEX1 on whirlpool...

XClemX said:
If you only want to use wireless all the time, try the following:
Go to Start | Settings | Connections
Click on Connections icon
Click on Advanced tab
Click on Select Networks button
Programs that automatically connect to Internet should use
My Work Network
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should use
My Work Network
Cheers to SEX1 on whirlpool...
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Hi, will this solution also fix my issue? My issue being:
-No dataplan, but do not want do disable/delete 3g/gsm, because I still want to use it sporadically on the road, and recieve MMS. But only when I choose to manually.
-At the same time, I want the automatic updates of weather, push-email, stock and such, but ONLY when I'm in a known WLAN.
In simple terms, I want to deny the 3g/E/H from automatically connecting, without deleting them. At the same time, wifi should be allowed to automatically connect, and update selected services.
Is this possible?

Activating data connections just manual

Aloha !
I have a problem and I need your help (and yes, I have searched already):
My Blackstone activates data connections automatically, if a programm tries to reach the internet.
So far not a problem, as I have a flatrate for that.
The problem is, that it consumes much energy, if the data conection is etsablished and you drive in you car.
So my question is:
Is there any way to connect just manual to the internet ?
I tried deactivating the data connections by HD Tweak.
Afterwards it is still possible to connect to the internet and I even get an ip adress, but no programm on the phone is able to use that connection.
Does anyone have a clue, how to fix this ? It would be just perfect !
Tools like NoData and gb soft gprs umts tweak dont work, as they either dont block automatic connection or disable data connections completly.
Help would be appriciated, as this problem really annoys me.
Tavos

settings->connections->connections->advanced->select network
and select my home network or whatever it's called on your device
then no can create a connection using anything but wifi or over activesync
and when you want to let it use gprs
you do the same by select my isp or <insert your isp name> or whatever it's called on your device

Thanks for the answer, but thats not what I am looking for.
I want to be able to switch the data connection on/off by one click (with the CommManager for example), but not the programs to be able to do it.
The way you offered, it is completely off or it can be connected by programs.

-=Tavos=- said:
Thanks for the answer, but thats not what I am looking for.
I want to be able to switch the data connection on/off by one click (with the CommManager for example), but not the programs to be able to do it.
The way you offered, it is completely off or it can be connected by programs.
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I agree, this could be useful indeed.
I don't see the point of having a switch in the comm manager, if then any program can turn it on.
maTTeo