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Memory eaten away !!!!!!!

I think all of you have seen this.. Free program stats from around 25 Mb and keeps on going down even if you completely kill the processes. is there a tool which actually kills the resident dlls and other crap in memory.. Please advice.. i want to get out this habbit of soft reset after couple of days just to bring my memory back up where it belongs ;-)
Cheers
Zobie

Yeah, leaking memory is also one of the very few things I hate on my Wizard
I also would like to know if there is a Memory Cleaner that works like it should and not only kills open programs.

Had problem also. But the Internet Exploder was to blame. I had the history settings to 30 days. Which is the default. Back to 0 days and everything was hunkydory again.

I had problems with memory too. I had less than 1MB of storage memory left. So I went from a custom 2.17 ROM to Mr. Clean AKU 2.3 and changed the Registry setting for IE as follows:
; IE Cache to storage card
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders]
"Cache"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files"
I've used this ROM for a week now with lots of programs. I have an average of 25 MB of storage free and the system is fast.
I have experienced no problems whatsoever.

If i don't even open the IE will it still be a memory hog?? i don't understand that.. I can understand that if i use IE all the time it will cause problems but if i don't even use it why woud my memory drop with time. Cans omeone please explain. I am not trying to offend neone here but just wante dto know. I can definitely try the reg settings. Please let me know.
Thanks
Zobie

Don't confuse ROM with RAM and storage with program mem. I think the topic starter referred to his RAM mem becoming less every day, resulting in low program mem and slow operations, needing a reset to clear the RAM and speed up the device.
The IE cache is stored in ROM and will only fill your storage but not slow down your device.
memory leaks are unfortunately a standard issue with PPC devices, I have always suffered from them on both WM 2003 SE and Wm5 devices. For me a soft reset now and then clears it up, but I find it an annoying "feature" as well.

I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.

BUMP !!!

zobie said:
I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.
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What are the "In Memory DLL's"? Never heard of such a thing.
The memory that slows your device is the addressable application memory, which is a total of 32 MB. You cannot change that or add to it.
Think of it as the same as the Virtual Memory (VM) in Windows XP on your desktop. Every application you open reserves a bit of this virtual memory. Some apps willingly give it up when they close - some that are not as well written do not. A soft reset when you see the device slowing is about all you can do.
My only other advice is that skinned applications - particularly Today screen plugins - use up this addressable memory very quickly. This includes Wisbar Advance2, PocketBreeze and iLauncher, and any weather program. If you are running these, you will always have similar issues. Find an acceptable mix of skinned apps that you must have, and try doing without the rest just to see how it treats your device's memory.
And if you want to see what processes are running, and how much memory they are using, try MemMaid by Dinarsoft or SK-Tools. Great programs.

Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free. Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?

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Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free.
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Take a look here to learn about what you really see in task manager regarding memory/cpu usage.
http://tinyurl.com/l57w8
Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?
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Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!

Tools Like Memmaid SK-Tools don't allow you to identify rouge elements in memory which nolonger have a parent process running. It is those elemts which eat up the memory. I have SPB tools to actually close the application but even then the memory keeps on falling. I guess there is no tool as of today like Taskmanager or even RAM Optimizer for PPC. A Tool like RAM Optimizer would check for the elements which are residing in RAM and are no longer being used. XDA developers can surely write something using the .NE Framework.

J-Mac said:
Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!
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Do you happen to know of a couple that use the WMClose command? I've used HandySwitcher most recently and MagicButton in the past, but have no idea which method(s) they use.
Thank you.
Geoffrey

There must 40 threads on this topics by now. I concur with J-Mac that today plugins are mostly to blame. I use Journal Bar and perform a soft reset roughly every other day. To help the situation I also use 2 programs which I find invaluable - The first is Smartskey which allows you close a program rather than minimise it (its a free download on this forum). The second is SK Tools Free up RAM application which works reasonably well but only delays the enevitable soft reset. It's effectiveness decreases the longer the device remains active.

Storage Ram VS. RAm Ram???

ok well i know this soudns like a dumb question.. but...
if i store programs on my touch, like opera, slingplayer mobile, touch settings ETC, will that eat up my RAM. So like will my phone run slower?? Or does it come with BUilt in RAM for storage, and then an extra 128 RAM for like running apps?? If its using the same ram... I would much much rather, store all my progs on a memory card accept for the basics? anyone>?

if this is true, can i also delete all the sprint bloat ware... sprint music, video, on demand, software store. If it is taking up storage space, that is ok, but if its take up speed space i do not want that to happen?

Hi,
No - your programs are in storage memory. They don't eat ram (..or make your device any slower) unless you actually run them.
The touch has plenty of storage memory - so you're fine installing most things on here...
-mark

great! lol, it sounded dumb, but i was not sure. My next question is.. what kind of program memory does it have, like running speed, not storage... Also can i delte some start up stuff. IDK if sprint has some bloatware that i dont use running in the background, can i delete it off my phone? Also can i delete the sprint apps off my phone? Anything to do this, so i will have more program memory and storage memory.
My goal... Store on phone...
Opera Mobile
Slingplayer Mobile
Touch Settings
Resco
Few Other apps
Pictures...
on 8 GB Micro SD
Music and Video

anyone??? help please lol

look in \windows\startup
thats programs that autostart
if you remove the shortcuts they will not start
another thing is that it may not help speed at all
in windows having more memory help speed because then windows
dont have to swap to the harddisk
but with windows mobile there is no swap
if a program dont have enough mem it will not start it will not just run slower
vogue and elf have rather slow cpu's that could be the root of your problem

vogue has a 400 mhz processor? That is just as fast as mogul...

how about i might have posted earlier, deleting some sprint apps. On demand, Sprint Music, SPrint Tv. Can you delete those. I am going to customize my cube, and i dont want sprints garbage to be on my phone when i will never even use it...? Anyone??

RAM/Memory Low Problems

For some reason, I don't see too many complaints about low memory issues - yet I have always had problems with my RAM.
I have almost all of my programs installed on my SD card to try reduce any of my memory usage - but if I run PIE, MSN Messenger, or try to play music, I almost always have low memory messages come up.
I usually have one program running in the background - Slide to Unlock - but as far as I know its not that memory intensive?
Any insight on how I can fix this?
Thanks!

Are you running an elf or an elfin? If your not sure.....go to start-->settings-->system-->device information-->hardware. What does your RAM size read? If its 64MB its an elf.....if it says 128MB its an elfin. Your saying you've installed all your applications on the storage card. How much free space do you have for program memory on your phone? Your phones needs free memory in order to run applications too. Perhaps its running low on that end? Two things you should do:
1. Move any extra files, photos, videos or anything else that you might have saved on the phone memory to the storage card. Use activesync. Its faster that way.
2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.

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2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.
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I've been having "Insufficient memory" errors while trying to run SpB Backup, and have deleted all sorts of applications, but nothing seemed to free up enough memory. Then I tried your advice, and everything is working as it should!
Thanks!!

I have an elf - usually when I close all of my processes, except my stumble to unlock, I'll have approx. 15mb/47 free in my program memory. 10/28 of my storage space is free.
I've tried to clear all of my temp files... even made it so that all my temp files/PIE files are put on my storage card through SK tools, but still have the same issues.
As soon as I run my HTC music player with the one or two background apps, it almost always pops up with memory issues. Browsing with PIE is almost impossible for any period longer than 5 minutes.
I've tried it with several configurations and I always have the same results, even if I have no background processes - I still have the same issues.

Are you using a cooked ROM? Come to think of it, I never had many problems with the original shipped ROM. I was normally running S2U2, PocketMusic, Opera Mini and SpbMobileShell back then.
You mean to say you can't even run one application at a time without running out of RAM? Soft reset. And if you use SKTools like you say you do, try running Free Up RAM, select all options.
In your shoes I'd probably move everything I want to storage card, (you should want more than 10mb storage) try a hard reset and install my most used apps again. Oh, and what is your PagePool size? Try here to find out about that. It should be 4mb.

Your primary problem is indeed the fact that you are running out of space on your phone. 15mb for program memory especially on heavy usage is quite insufficient. Especially if your going to be multi tasking and running several applications at once. I would move ALL my installed programs and anything else I may be able to get my hands on, to the storage card. Try to squeeze out atleast 25-30mb out of your program memory. This should give your phone some more breathing space.

This might be to use of you to try it out.
http://www.oxios.com/memory/

hi
I had the same problem before but now my touch runs fine now & haven't got any issues till now. Use advanced task manager and pocket mechanic. These application will keep ur pocketpc in good shape.

Very good, Thanks.

low free space?

I have only 120mb of 180 for programs or similar on the device.
Is not very low? It have 512mb, maybe 200 for the rom or so, but 380 in use and only 120 for the user?

WWE ROM is around 280MB AFAIK. I don't know what language ROM you are using, but it definitely shouldn't use 380 MB. You should have slightly less than 200MB available.

vangrieg said:
WWE ROM is around 280MB AFAIK. I don't know what language ROM you are using, but it definitely shouldn't use 380 MB. You should have slightly less than 200MB available.
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Storage size to user is 181.6MB. However it looks like HTC install some apps that use some of this. I have only installed spb wireless monitor, resco explorer and a few other small bits and im down to 105MB

That's annoying. There are things that don't belong in ROM such as navigation software, or the silly Navipanel thingie, and some other stuff that can save around 20-30 megs in a custom ROM. Taking a brief look at the files, I can see how I can free up another 20 or 30 megs by removing other stuff without losing any functionality or the goodies. So custom ROMs will certainly improve things a bit without becoming "lite" or introducing bugs... However, it certainly sucks that they made such a device with such a small storage.

guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using! LOL
When you're down to 2mb then start worrying about it?

plus there's a 2GB microSD card in the box, not the usual 32 MB card you'd get with your latest 5 MP compact camera.
I ordered myself a 16 GB card to go along anyway. Where are those 32 GB microSD cards SanDisk anounced in spring 2008 anyways?

fards said:
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using! LOL
When you're down to 2mb then start worrying about it?
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i had to hard reset my phone because the second day my memory was full
i couldn't install mobile shell 3.5
so, i think its an issue

I think this is an issue too.
I've only installed 1/2 the apps I had on my HD, and I've got just over 20MB left. I had shed-loads left on the HD, even after installing everything I want!
Don't want to start flashing ROMs on a brand new phone, but maybe a lite version is the way to go.
Just have to wait and see what the chefs cook up.

fards said:
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using!
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On my Touch HD I'm using around 180 megs of internal storage, and I don't store any documents, photos, videos or any other user files there, my SatNav app is on the storage card. So this is all taken by mail and apps.
johncmolyneux said:
maybe a lite version is the way to go.
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In this case lite ROMs seem to be the only reasonable way to go. Like I said earlier, it's easy to free up some 50-60 megs (even more actually if we remove sample pictures, some ringtones etc.) without losing functionality, and keeping the ROM quite "full". SatNav just has nothing to do in internal memory when you have 512 megs of it, I don't know what they were thinking putting it there.

don't forget to change the cache in opera to your storage card as it is set to default on internal. Also of course use storage card for mail attachments.

How do you save space on your main harddisk?

The capacity of the main storage is very limited. Off course you can install everything on the SD-card, but that stil takes a little amount of memory of the main storage. I now have left only 45 mb of free space, which i think will cause slow-down en surely limit my options to install more apps.
So i tried to remove some standard apps like copilot, but that seems impossible. I wonder which ways you have found to save space, en whether/ how less space will effect the performance of your hd2?

there are a few space saving tips in the "hints and tips"sticky.

samsamuel said:
there are a few space saving tips in the "hints and tips"sticky.
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Thanx! But i'm afraid those tips won't save me more than 20 mb.

you could always instal some stuff to the card instead of the internal memory. pocket mechanic can move apps that are already installed without needing to reinstall them.

ozer86 said:
I now have left only 45 mb of free space, which i think will cause slow-down en surely limit my options to install more apps.
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45mb should be enough space for you to install many more apps, as most WM software is only a few meg, and always there is the SD card to install big software (maybe sat nav or large games)
The storage memory is designed to be used to install software and should not be confused with the program memory (used by software running) so there will be no slowdown caused by filling it up.