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First impressions with my new s200

Hello,
I own a s200 since last week. My first impression:
improved in many ways in comparison to my old Qtek2020 with WM2003
- better usability with WM5 and the additional buttons
- better power management
- better integration of phone (had problems on my old device with missing calls and missing sound at calls)
- size now so small that I can carry it like a normal cellphone
- speed is OK for my purposes (standard programs plus OziExplorer)
- power drain better than with Qtek2020
Not so good:
- sound at phone calls should be louder
- WiFi works good, but range should be larger (my s200 works up to 10m if there is no wall in between)
- small touch screen more difficult to operate (but I prefer a small device, that I can carry all the time)
I think the s200 will very useful for me (it will be my brain extension ...)
Cheers, Gerd

ICH STIMME DIR ZU"!!!
DU FREAK!!!
aber....
Die range vom wireless ist bei mir super

Hi, I'm thinking of buyig a S200, nevertheless I'de like to satisfy some doubts? Is it really as bad as its said with movies and apps like tom tom and route 66? I heard it was slow...
I have the possibility to try it for a few days and then exchange it for a S100 (magician) if I'm not happy with it, but the Wi-Fi is the main reason I'm gonna buy it, so I really need to know...

GerdH said:
Hello,
Not so good:
- sound at phone calls should be louder
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Try searching the forums for a registry hack, it can be set louder!
- WiFi works good, but range should be larger (my s200 works up to 10m if there is no wall in between)
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Do you use a .G router and do you use maximum power. I use a .G router and I have a connection through walls and everything till about 20 m. My laptop can go further, but still I'm impressed.
- small touch screen more difficult to operate (but I prefer a small device, that I can carry all the time)
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You'll get used to it
Is it really as bad as its said with movies and apps like tom tom and route 66? I heard it was slow...
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No the newest Dopod ROM is fairly fast for everyday uses. For movies I would use some overclocking @240mhz almost everything is as fast as the 416 mhz intel. But for Tomtom that isn't really necessairy, although overclocking will speed up, the starting-up time of the program...

I tried some of the registry hacks regarding the sound level and up to now I don´t found a sufficient setting. But I will invest a little bit more time for playing around.
My WLAN router operates with B/G setting, the s200 with maximum Wifi power. With one wall in between and perhaps 8m distance i got about 20% signal level. But that may be also a problem of my router or the environment.
Are there tools available which show the signal strength of all WLANs around?
Cheers , Gerd[/quote]

Gerd, you could try Ministumbler from http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/
The PC version has a nice graph showing connection quality, not sure about the Mini version, but give it a try.

I can overclock to 264 or so ..anything over that blows up (slow down)...Id suggest 264 rather than 240..since I beileve 264 is stable anyhow...however, i use a pretty cool custom rom that may have been configured just for that
Sadly I dont agree with screen size being good..its small and as small things go, leaves out lots of functionality..the processor is SLOWER than the HTC Magician according to Microsoft Tech Team..which means...the smaller you go, the diff processor you use (to make it look fast) yet the OS WM5 uses a bit more resources (as expected) and so the new processor is still ****..oh well..size vs. speed.

GerdH said:
I tried some of the registry hacks regarding the sound level and up to now I don´t found a sufficient setting. But I will invest a little bit more time for playing around.
My WLAN router operates with B/G setting, the s200 with maximum Wifi power. With one wall in between and perhaps 8m distance i got about 20% signal level. But that may be also a problem of my router or the environment.
Are there tools available which show the signal strength of all WLANs around?
Cheers , Gerd
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Hello.
I have a Qtek 9100 and as i have posted in 9100's thread, all HTC new devices and especially 9100 and S200 have crap wifi.
I have tested many many ppc's and ended up that the signal of wifi in S200/9100 is about 50% less than other devices!

S200 - all-in-one
I used to own an AXIM X5 then after 2years X3 with a separate mobile phone, which i carry all the time together.
Yes the S200 is slow but all functionality works fine (wifi,bt,gprs,msoff,,,etc). i cant ask for more for the size of this.
My question is, does anybody here who owns an S200 have tried overclocking it (omapclock), if yes can you please send me the instruction to do this.
thanks in advance.
/gerald

I'm really happy with my S200, contrary to some of you, I have great WiFi reception even trhough walls.
I wardrive a lot and I can connect to hotspots from really far away. I can tell because the SSID broadcast sometimes display the company name and I often realize the building is not near at all.
On the movie watching side, I can see full movies with no OC at all. It really depends on how you encode the movie in the first place.
You'll love it!

TyTN or Wizard - what to have

Hi,
I'm in the (un?)lucky position of rolling out 14 devices to our Managers and they WERE going to be Qtek 9100s (HTC Wizard) from Vodafone until someone pointed out the 'better' Vodafone 1605 (TyTN).
As far as I can see there's not much in it apart from the TyTN having a facelift, better spec camera (+ one more camera), 3G capabilities, but having popped along here for some insight, I am concerned about the screen alignment issue (can't be having 14 pissed off Managers after my blood) and other general gripes so what would you guys do - stick with the 9100 (Wizard) or go for the 1605 (TyTN)?
Is the 9100 a better (safer, tried and more tested) bet?
I've had a 9100 to play with for a few days and it seems fine - if a little suggish even when overclocked to 240Mhz - does the TyTN's different processor make a lot of difference?
Also (a bit OT - hope you don't mind), as we're not on a 3G tariff (I presume?! - do you have to specifically ask for this on Vodafone business? We don't really want or need it), do we just ignore the 3Gness of the TyTN or will it 'do' 3G whenever and wherever it can?
Thanks
L3K

Really no comparison, the Tytn is what you want the wizard to be. You should try both and see the real difference. Its like night and day...The wizard was good, but needed a little more speed and refinement. The Tytn is almost there.. Again try both before making your decision. Good Luck.

I would also point out that the jog wheel makes navigation much easier, especially of contacts.
the whole unit is far more responsive and the extra browsing speed may be useful for retrieving e-mails.

I AM a Manager, Past CEO, now Director of Telemedicine activities.
I have both, Wizard (overclocked to 240, omapclock 0.4) and TyTN and I had almost all releases of Windows Ce since the first Casio Caiopeia.
DON'T BUY a TyTN NOW IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR JOB
Wizard ROM is Stable, (I have last I-Mate) the speed in all days activities is more or less the same between TyTN and overclocked Wizard, if you are in an EDGE area the GSM data speed is really faster enought to have fast e-mail and IE navigation.
TyTN is UNSTABLE, software and hw problems, like SD card problems (it disappear sometimes), windows media scrambled MSMETADATA, hangup during sync, some appz not compatible, Screen aligment issue, lot of small bugs also with "side" features, like camera and USB Sync (like wizard first rom) .
If they NEED video telefony is the only real PRO, but UNIVERSAL is a better solution, closer price, or new MITAC or Motorola one hand device ( this isn't the good forum to compare ).
So WAIT new hardware release and new ROM release, and tell them that they have to work so 80% MTBF isn't enought (Medium Time Between Fault)
We (here) are a special group of technology entusiast, and are the real wide beta testers, but business is business

sergiopi said:
I AM a Manager, Past CEO, now Director of Telemedicine activities.
I have both, Wizard (overclocked to 240, omapclock 0.4) and TyTN and I had almost all releases of Windows Ce since the first Casio Caiopeia.
DON'T BUY a TyTN NOW IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR JOB
Wizard ROM is Stable, (I have last I-Mate) the speed in all days activities is more or less the same between TyTN and overclocked Wizard, if you are in an EDGE area the GSM data speed is really faster enought to have fast e-mail and IE navigation.
TyTN is UNSTABLE, software and hw problems, like SD card problems (it disappear sometimes), windows media scrambled MSMETADATA, hangup during sync, some appz not compatible, Screen aligment issue, lot of small bugs also with "side" features, like camera and USB Sync (like wizard first rom) .
If they NEED video telefony is the only real PRO, but UNIVERSAL is a better solution, closer price, or new MITAC or Motorola one hand device ( this isn't the good forum to compare ).
So WAIT new hardware release and new ROM release, and tell them that they have to work so 80% MTBF isn't enought (Medium Time Between Fault)
We (here) are a special group of technology entusiast, and are the real wide beta testers, but business is business
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Sergio,
I think that is a bit sensationalist. I have not had the SA issues with the latest v1605's S/N HT631x. I'd be surprised if the other issues that are being reported are not by people that are trying to use the device as a power device, running multimedia video and audio, games etc, not in the slightest in the way that a business user would be using it. I never had the issues that were reported with the Wizard, but a lot of people expect devices to be stable using software not designed for the chipsets and/or operating systems IMHO.
@linker I would look over at our review of the v1605 on www.4winmobile.com and also ask Voda for a trial version of the Treo 750v and the v1605. Make it clear to them that you expect devices that have been tested prior to shipment for the keyboard issues. The QTek 9100 is also know to be buggy, more than the other iterations AFAIK.

Believe me, the most important thing in a Manager mind is: "it had to work anytime, anywere, the only thing I can accept is to charge the battery!"
Read the tyTn and the wizard forums: tytn forum is full of "problems", wizard forum is full of "enhancements", and this is normal, the first has only 3-4 months of wide beta, the second is on the wild since one year.
Gold business lesson: don't be the first, try to be the SECOND! (so called "the windows lesson" )
I think I am a power user, but:
if I put away my SD I am afraid every time I have to put it in again, 50% not recognized at first insert.
- I am resetting my TyTn once a day (new USB drivers?)
- I still haven't heard ANY OFFICIAL NEWS that Screen aligment issue was solved
- I still have to delete manually MSMETADATA every day to have again my video and music list
- I can hangup my TyTN in several well known ways...
- HTC Service is not as good as we expected
So may be he will have still is job after swapping the management to TyTN, but he WILL BE VERY BUSY

Hi Guys - just to update you -
My Vodafone direct business sales contact spoke to their techies and they confirmed the screen problem.
Vodafone are sending me a 1605 to check out so I am going to bash it around (in the most technical sense possible) for a couple of days to see what happens)

I have both the Wizard and Tytn, using them on the Cingular network in California. On the latest ROM, overclocked to 260MHz (using BatteryStatus), the user interface is responsive enough to be usable, and the Wizard is stable for 6 to 8 weeks at a time, sometimes even longer. I have problems with the TyTn every few hours to every few days. The TyTN hardware is superior, but the software is worse than a lot of Beta software I've played with.
If my job were on the line, I would definitely go with the Wizard at this point.

linker3000 said:
Hi Guys - just to update you -
My Vodafone direct business sales contact spoke to their techies and they confirmed the screen problem.
Vodafone are sending me a 1605 to check out so I am going to bash it around (in the most technical sense possible) for a couple of days to see what happens)
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Herald or Hermes ?

Hi all,
For those who have the experiences/luxury to tried on
both Herald and Hermes, can you pls share your experience
between the two ?
I am had a hard time deciding which to get.
Hermes is selling at much lower price than Herald over here.
Herald does not seem to be picking up here.
Also O2 Zinc in also about to be avaliable in matters of weeks.
I get the general feedback that Herald is much more
responsive than Hermes despite slower speed processors -
a big factor of consideration for me.
Specifications for both devices is OK for my usage/applications.
What I need is actual user feedback in comparision of the
2 devices such as
- actual battery life performance?
- skype performance?
- device stability ... etc ?
- third party devices accessories - e.g. dual sim card add on....etc ?
Thanks in advance.

I was in the same predicament, it came down to the fact that because i have a crappy data plan i would have no use for 3G, so I went for the much smaller and better looking (IMHO) herald. Very happy with it.

does the Herad has the same freeze issues ?
This would be really important for me since 2 resets a day with my TyTN/Hermes is just too much...

I have to restart it once every 3 days or so, using the Herald very very often !
But this always depends a lot on which Software you have currently installed on your device !

I would assume this would change with XV6800(verzion version of the Herald with rev a 3G) since it has 256 of memory and aku 3.5?

Get my Herald today
Hey,
I get my Herald today. Since today I used an TYTN.
First: Herald impressed me with they good performance and better looking.
Tomorrow I start to test it with all my programm from TYTN.
The TYTN has at the end problems with freezing.
I give you update
Oliver

what is the update?

Top Herald
Hello,
after 6 days using the Herald and play a lot of programmes on my Herald i can, say: Herald ist top, no freezing, good performance and it feels good.
I use it with an alucase and this ist the very much better with the TYTN. No problems to switch on camera, Com Manager....... The buttons on Herald are well placed (better than the TYTN). The Keyboard is better than the TYTN (no uncontrolled outcoming).
+ Better Keyboard
+ No freezes
+ Good inital Quality
- Performance a little bit slower than TYTN (but its OK)
If need to buy an HTC, at the moment I would buy an Herald (But I think after Herald generation there will come an Herald with 3G and a better CPU like the Samsung with AKU 3.X, thats my next HTC "Herald")
Oliver

Thx
Thanks for the update. Funny enough I mananged to get my Hermes running without any freezes: I am quite sure it is the SD card reading that can cause some lock-ups. So I maanged to get just every frequently used app on my internal memory. And the eMails & attachements as weel. I managed to use my hermes since 96 hours without freeze now.
Well, the Heradl seems quite nice - I will probalby get it as a second device and test it thoroughly.
Regards,
Apple*

ex Wizard (Kjam) Users

Hi
Simple Question I think,
I have a Wizard running very well at 286Mhz on WM6
I have the option to Upgrade to a Tytn/Hermes.
I Love to mess about with my phone.
Should I upgrade to the Hermes?
Other than the obvios 3G and Video Call is it a lot faster/better than a well sorted Wizard?
Thanks for your time
Jules

I've noticed a huge increase in speed when multitasking. While driving around and using GPS, for example, Voice Command and call answering speed have greatly increased (my Wizard was o/c'ed to 240).
I was running tomtom6 the other day while listening to an audio book and the phone rang...something like this might mean a dropped call with my Wizard, but I didn't have any issues with the 8525.
The one downside that I've found is that the 8525 (not sure if all Hermes are set up this way) can't have a data connection while the phone is in use.

motionmind said:
I've noticed a huge increase in speed when multitasking. While driving around and using GPS, for example, Voice Command and call answering speed have greatly increased (my Wizard was o/c'ed to 240).
I was running tomtom6 the other day while listening to an audio book and the phone rang...something like this might mean a dropped call with my Wizard, but I didn't have any issues with the 8525.
The one downside that I've found is that the 8525 (not sure if all Hermes are set up this way) can't have a data connection while the phone is in use.
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Yes you can, you just have to be a on 3g network. I do this all the time with my 8525.

benfica88 said:
Yes you can, you just have to be a on 3g network. I do this all the time with my 8525.
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I'm almost always in a 3G area when this happens.

Here's an example of my experience;
When I first got my TyTN I connected to my desktop via USB and enabled the modem connection. I then disabled my LAN connection and started playing Counter Strike Source. I was able to play jsu fine with a ping around 60. I then called my friend (while I was still playing) to tell him about this. My ping went to 100 and it was still very playable and there was no skipping. In fact my score was about 10-3 while doing this =)
So in short, data and voice works at the same time quite well. It also works on the device as I get e-mails on a regular basis while eon a phone call.
Later, Lew

ZaJules - you are looking at it from a wrong approach. Since you have been playing with unofficial release of WM6 and overclocked your device, it looks like you are also infected with the same madness as some of us here. It is called The Freak sympthom. Unfortunatelly there ain't no cure available. I have been in the same situation so many times and always found some excuses why I should spend money and upgrade. This is a newer device with new features. You definetly should have it!

So as an Ex Wizard owner I can answer my own question
I took the plunge and upgraded to the Hermes (HTC TyTn)
Off the bat I was pleased to see a major speed boost in general UI related tasks.
Also noticed that the speaker on the back of the Hermes is way louder than the 2 on the wizard. On more than a few occasions I near fell of my chair when the sexy bird bellowed "Master I have mail for you"
I have had to re profile my Phone Alarm settings by dropping the volume by 50%
Also Bluetooth is even better on the TyTn. My SE IV-835 headset seems louder than before. On the Wizard each time I would answer a call the calling party would complain about an ear piercing screech coming from my side as I pressed the call answer button on the headset. That is also gone now.
The only negative aspects of my upgrade are.
I had to get yet another type of memory card and the OS is not as stable as what I was used to on the wizard.
This is where the hard work done by all the "Brains" at XDA shines through
Its only when you are forced to use a Operator released ROM that you realize how poor they are compared to our XDA cooked Roms.
I'm running the latest 2.05 htc ROM and have had a few lock ups. I have also had some crashes with my nav software (HandyMap AI Gold) which I have never had on my previous devices.
The other niggle is with the D-Pad, it is too cramped. I never know when I try to press the enter button whether or not Ill actually get it. Maybe its something I will get used to. On the wizard you could press this button without looking at it but not so on the Hermes. With all the "free space" on the section bellow the screen I wonder why they squished all the buttons so close together.
So all in all I am happy with my upgrade, and once the XDA Roms start to filter through I will be ecstatic about my upgrade
Thanks to all who replied here.
Jules

Screen
Is the screen size and resolution the same on hermes and wizard.
I am thinking of upgrading

Yes the screen is identical.
Its a good upgrade imho
Jules

First impression and comparison with Nokia

Hello
I got my Advantage last thursday, and after 2 years of S60 phones (had a Qtek 2020 back in 2004) I have some thoughts of this device. I love it but have som reflections.
First of all, it is BARELY pocketable with the keyboard attached. I can just fit it in my inner pocket of my jacket and I wear ordinary white collar business clothes (at work).
It should be snappier. My Nokia 6680 starts Opera 8.65 in about the same time as my Advantage (220 Mhz versus 624 Mhz). I often see the waiting wheel. Maybe the WM 6 upgrade makes it faster.
It is really hard to find out what applications are running and switching between them. On my S60 devices I have a button I press to see, switch to and end applications with.
It was suprisingly easy to switch SIM cards. It has been rumoured to be hard to do but I find it quite easy. You do need to have clean, dry fingers though.
The wifi reception exceeds my laptop (HP NC6000), thats a big plus. Even the 3G reception is superior to my Huawei E220 USB modem.
I like the keyboard. I haven't owned a keyboard enabled pda/phone before so I am not spoiled, and I find the keyboard very good. Much better than any on-screen keyboard (used a N770 a lot before).
The headset that comes with the unit is extremly crappy. The ear phones are HUGHE. I wonder how small tawanese people designed this (for big-eared europeans). The chord between the mic and the earphones are far to short.
In every other aspect, it's a fantastic device!
//Johan

with the amount of RAM you have in Advantage, you can set Opera always open, in this case, opening time will be less then 1 sec.
You can install software for you to see what task you are running, there are lots of them, for example, spb pocket plus or Wisbar advance.
Is Nokia 6680 a QVGA device? if so, that explain why it can run so fast, VGA require much more CPU power to run.
Lastly, i doubt anyone will use the default headset, most of us are using bluetooth for it.
I hope you will enjoy your device more and more welcome to the Athena family

joohan said:
Hello
It is really hard to find out what applications are running and switching between them. On my S60 devices I have a button I press to see, switch to and end applications with.
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There are many program managers out there, my favourite is Magic Button:
http://www.trancreative.com/mb.aspx
It also really closes programs (if you do not use the integrated HTC X-button (I suppose it's there)), so hopefully it gives a little more performance as well...

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There are many program managers out there, my favourite is Magic Button:
http://www.trancreative.com/mb.aspx
It also really closes programs (if you do not use the integrated HTC X-button (I suppose it's there)), so hopefully it gives a little more performance as well...
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Thank you very much for posting the link to this little utility. Ive been looking for something like this and new. The utility is simple, clean, small footprint, and just works perfectly. Makes using my Athena more enjoyable. Thanks again!

Thank you for your tip
It's good to know that there are solutions. I found myself a program for task switching:
http://vieka.com/vbar.htm
Go to mobile.htc.com for more sites with free software.
I used Minimo a lot on my N770 but it was veeery slow. Minimo on the Athena really flies, very nice. One big disadvantage with all the S60 devices is that you have to chose what connection should be used when synchronising with Exchange. The WM devices seem to take what ever internet connection is available. Much better when you want to switch between Wifi and GPRS/3G.
//Johan