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My JJ runs noticeably faster when it's plugged into the mains than when it is not. Programs open almost instantaneously... just how i want it to perform when it's not plugged in!
Can any of you confirm this in yours?
However, this makes me think... if there is dynamic processor speed switching (like the Loox 720, which you can change manually) can the JJ be hacked to always run at this speed? With the disadvantage of worse battery life of course!
Any suggestions (registry changes) of how to do so?
checkout pocket hack master, I have a thread here about it !! I am happily running at 624 MHZ
Hey, thanks for that... but why do links not appear in your and other people's posts on my screen?
Without the link i'm afraid i cannot follow your sound advice!
Is this a Mozilla problem?
It wasnt a link, I just meant I had a post on here somewhere but all it said was this
I thought I might mention that using anton tomov pocket hackmaster 2005, I have sucessfully over clocked my exec from up to the next intel CPU in the range (624 MHz), it has made a HUGE diffrence, even with that stoopid O2 crap all over my screen, although it now chews through the battery much faster.
Im gonna try corporate mode next
its in the thread about the exec running slow
Here's a good thread on up (or over) clocking your JasJar.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=28210&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
hi everybody.
i am thinking about to buy a htc wizard (qtek 9100).
i now noticed that the qtek s110 has 416mhz, but the 9100 only 200.
is there a big difference between the two, or is the 200mhz processor as fast as the one with 416?
thx
the Wizard has a differend type of processor than the s110. Its kind of like Intel vs AMD. The mhz doesn't mean it is slower.
I think the wizard is slightly quicker then the intel one but what slows it down is lack of programs using the texas instruments processor extensions and the
non persistant program memory which slows the program loading times quite a lot.
but u get more use out of your batt as it doesnt reserve 30% batt life for ram.
Does the universal lose everything if the battery goes to 0% ? I thought the wizard and the universal were both the same in that they retained their status even on no power ?
knowsleyroader: you are correct. They use persistent memory that will be retained without power. They're slower as a result, but the benefit is what is considered a marginal battery life improvement.
All should read this:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx
Wizard is generally considered fine for cpu power. I've never used it, but most seem to say it's fine on everything except Skype (which some have found ok). Since you can't get another device with WM5 of the Magician's size (I think), the Wizard is pretty much your only choice right now.
Unless you've got a 700w
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Pocket Quake runs at a respectable 8.5fps (default settings), and 14.5 (optiomized settings, no sound). I have the Spb Benchmarks (overview below) if you want them.
I find the device slow, but it is not the processor that really slows it down, it is the IO.
On the keeps memory on power-off. I have read reports of the battery needing some fiddling inorder to recharge the battery if you let it run flat.
Spb Benchmark index 232.4 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
CPU index 927.45 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
File system index 94.72 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Graphics index 2862.38 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Platform index 273.92 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
intel vs AMD. The mhz doesn't mean it is slower
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speed is everything my friend
well i had a xda2 mini s had it not even a week and took it back to the o2 shop . and told the guy that the phone is far to slow for what i use it for . so i changed it for a xda2i . and now i am very happy with it never crashes and does not hang up while changing screens like the mini .
intel (r) pxa275
speed 520mhz
128mb ram
thats the speed of my 2i . in my eyes the mini is a phone and just a phone . it cant handle being a pda also . it just dont have the power . and as for the slide out keypad what a joke . my one was starting to get slack in no time . i just could not imagine how this phone would look 6 months down the line of day to day use . be smart and get something that works . ok it looks good but its slooooow
my 0.002 pence worth
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Speed may well be to you, personally i find the functionality more important, but the MHz quote says that processor speed doesn't mean the device operation is slower. it uses a different architecture so the clock speed doesn't need to be as high for the same output (CPS would be a better measure of cpu performance IMO then all processors would be on the same scoresheet regardless of technology or clockspeed)
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Sorry to drag this off topic a little, but I was reading the XDA-developer encylopedia, which gives claims duel core. Is it? And does duel core in the mobile world mean the same as in the desktop?
Thanks, Mike
Having owned quite a number of Pocket PCs and Windows Mobile devices over the years I have come across this sort of conversation a number of times.
The real point from my experience is that QVGA devices such as the Wizard / Mini S do not need the speed of say a VGA device such as the Exec / HP hx4705. Speed is needed on VGA devices due to the quantity of pixels that need to be updated on the screen. My HP 2210 QVGA device was quicker in a number of ways than my hx4705 and there latter machine was quoted to have more than a 50% speed increase.
I do notice my Wizard slow a little using PocketInformant when I need to filter or search. That to me looks like processor speed. But for that I get a good battery life while using the phone side quite a bit each day (it's a work sim card in there, fully paid for). My Exec however is quicker at data sorting, filtering etc. but relatively slow to update the screen, rotate the screen etc. Exactly the same as my hx4705, also VGA running the last version of Windows Mobile.
I have no reservation in suggesting the Wizard to people wanting to do a bit of everything. I haven't tried playing a film on it yet but I would expect that to be ok as long as the film is encoded to suite. But power users would likely look to either a more powerful solo device or have a second device to compliment it.
I was just lucky that O2 in the UK are offering such rediculous prices for both the Wizard and the Exec that I could get both.
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Wizard / Mini S do not need the speed of say a VGA device such as the
of everything. I haven't tried playing a film on it yet but I would expect that
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Except the magican (a model down, sports the same size screen) is 400MHz.
That's a very interesting point. But is it the same make of processor? I expect it was running a Xscale processor.
It might well be that HTC decided / realised that for a phone edition model with a small QVGA screen pure raw speed is not really needed. By moving to the TI processor they kept to about the same speed for most real world scenarios (loading programs, looking up contacts, making calls and so on) and then gained elsewhere (received good battery life etc).
All I can really say is that my wizard is faster in certain core areas of these devices (screen redrawing for example) but loses out on pure raw data processing. But as I said at the start of this I don't read the benchmarks. My wizard is a fraction of a second slower than my exec at loading PocketInformant which I can live with.
I think the wizard is positioned correctly after one week of using it. But then I never used the predecessor so I can't compare the two. Having come from one of the fastest non-phone devices on the market though I can't say I'm really noticing the slowness of these devices. Not out in the real world when I am using them.
Now, I just have to sell on my hx4705. And to say that must mean I am happy!
Thanks for the interesting conversation - I'm new here but already feel at home.
well, but I heard alot that the MDAcII with its TI CPU is too slow to open large documents and so is useless for bussiness and that seems to be a problem of the CPU-power!
I've been using a Blue Angel for the last year and actually think that the Wizard is faster for my own use, as a Phone first and PDA second the market that IMHO opinion the Wizard is actually aimed at.
I use SPB to close down apps properly that I use infrequently (word/Excel etc..) and just minimize apps that I use frequently such as Outlook/Phone and my Wizard flies. Even TomTom5 appears to run much faster than on Blue Angel with route replanning completing in the blink of an eye.
Fair enough if you are asking it to run intensive apps a 2i or universal will be faster but those devices are more PDA than Phone whereas the Wizard is the reverse.
For reference mine is an O2 UK supplied XDA Mini S branded device on standard O2 UK rom with all O2 active rubbish removed. Even the battery life beats my SE k750i mobile it has just replaced!
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I've been using a Blue Angel for the last year and actually think that the Wizard is faster for my own use, as a Phone first and PDA second the market that IMHO opinion the Wizard is actually aimed at.
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Ooh so I'm not alone!
Same here, especially for browsing heavy sites. The BA would take ages formatting the pages, the Wizard also takes time but less. Interface seems faster to me too (once apps loaded - loading time is dependent on the new memory architecture).
Browsing photos with Resco photo explorer is about the same.
The only point on where I can see big difference is video playback. I haven't been able to play a single video without hangups yet, either by using the same ones than I had on the BA or by trying to reencode differently (using TCPMP). A video that would play at 125% on the BA runs maybe at 75-80%. That annoys me because I would like to use it to show videos to people as a demo, which obviously looks less serious if not smooth.
I wonder if that is TCPMP-related or OMAP-related...
BUT, battery life is great!!
Hey guys, i'm considering 'upgrading'(?) from an xda2i to the mini s, and i've noticed you talking about different programs running faster/slower on either device. Was wondering if you could give me a 'rule of thumb' as to which programs would have loss performance in the mini s compared the the 2i?
Thanks
kilrah said:
wilesd said:
I've been using a Blue Angel for the last year and actually think that the Wizard is faster for my own use, as a Phone first and PDA second the market that IMHO opinion the Wizard is actually aimed at.
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Same here, especially for browsing heavy sites. The BA would take ages formatting the pages, the Wizard also takes time but less. Interface seems faster to me too (once apps loaded - loading time is dependent on the new memory architecture).
Browsing photos with Resco photo explorer is about the same.
The only point on where I can see big difference is video playback. I haven't been able to play a single video without hangups yet, either by using the same ones than I had on the BA or by trying to reencode differently (using TCPMP). A video that would play at 125% on the BA runs maybe at 75-80%. That annoys me because I would like to use it to show videos to people as a demo, which obviously looks less serious if not smooth.
I wonder if that is TCPMP-related or OMAP-related...
BUT, battery life is great!!
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Similar experience here - my former PDA is a Dell X50V with a 624Mhz processor and PocketPC 2003SE, at times it's surprisingly sluggish. However, the wizard is more responsive - although I miss the VGA screen in general I prefer the Wizard for browsing.
My only complaint about the processor so far (I haven't tried gaming) is that it's not much good for playing back wmvs. I've not experimented much with it but this is an area where the X50V is very good - it can play highish bitrate WMVs no sweat. The Wizard seems to struggle, even with lower resolution and bitrate wmvs it stutters.
John
About this, how to overclock the wizard ... ??!!
musiccube said:
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speed 520mhz
128mb ram
thats the speed of my 2i .....
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The Universal has all that too. But, guess what, the overall experience of that "flagship" is slower than the Wizard. Which goes to show, the CPU clock speed has b*gger all to do with how a device performs in the real world.
Howdy, everyone. I'm a lucky (lucky?) owner of Wizard and I hate it with WM5. I had HP iPAQ2210 once with WM2003 and it was perfect. So, is it possible to mount somehow WM2003 on Wizard? Or maybe some UNIX system, it would be better. Thanx
P.S. Oh yeah, is it okay, that Wizard has 198MHz processor, even though the models earlier (for example XDA2) has 400MHz? I think this is some kind of bull... Oh, sorry.
Question 1: Then why did you buy it ?
Question 2: Have you tried the search? There's a couple of people trying to get 2k3 or 2k3 SE on it
Question 3: Have you tried the search? There's several threads about the CPU of the Wizard being: A. slow, unusable, ****, blabla B. energy-efficient, powerful enough, excellent for performing two tasks; depending on who's writing and what they want to do with their device
OK, I'll not abuse you anymore.
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FYI, the processors are completely different and speed doesn't matter all that much anymore. Hasn't in a while, in fact. You know, the same way AMD chips run better than faster intel chips. And it leads to better battery life. AND did you know, if you really want a phone with linux on it, some carriers sell them. So if it really matters all that much, go get one. You're not going to get very far showing up on this site and just *****ing because you're bored.
Yeah, in fact the HTC Apache (the CDMA version of the Wizard) is a 416 mhz device using the Intel PXA270 processor. Recently, I had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison between a Verizon 6700 and my 5125. I was expecting the thing to be a pocket rocket for sure but imagine my surprise when if found that while generally playing around, menus and programs came up no faster; in fact when I had mine clocked to 260mhz it was noticably faster.
I dunno if everyone knows this already, but I just discovered it and thought it looked pretty neat
New: TI OMAP Processor support and enhancements:
* TI OMAP850 and TI OMAP1510 processor support.
* Support for Cingular 8125, HTC WIZARD, DoPod 818 Pro, Qtek 9100, MDA K-Jam, HTC Prophet, i-Mate JAMin, MDA Compact 2, HP iPAQ hw6915, HP iPAQ hw6945, HP iPAQ hw6965 all HP hw6515 ROMS updated.
* AutoScaling for TI OMAP processors supported.
XCPUScalar 07
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This means 'autoscaled' over/underclocking, allowing increased performance AND better battery life. I was previously using OmapClock, but this looks like a much better solution. It's less likely to damage the device, and also provides battery savings.
BTW you shouldn't overclock this device above 240MHz if you want it to live, personally I won't go above 210ish. It's clocked at 180MHz factory settings and dropping it below 130MHz will make it stuff up IIRC.
so xcpuscalar or Pocket hack master ?
what is the best app thanks
Battery plugin from our forum. been using it for some time, overlocked to 286MHZ with no problem, battery saving - no problem, when it's in sleep mode the device clock is 195MHz
battery plugins rocks don't search for any alternative
here ->>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270751
theone3 said:
I dunno if everyone knows this already, but I just discovered it and thought it looked pretty neat
This means 'autoscaled' over/underclocking, allowing increased performance AND better battery life. I was previously using OmapClock, but this looks like a much better solution. It's less likely to damage the device, and also provides battery savings.
BTW you shouldn't overclock this device above 240MHz if you want it to live, personally I won't go above 210ish. It's clocked at 180MHz factory settings and dropping it below 130MHz will make it stuff up IIRC.
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I overclock with the BatteryStatus app to 234 mhz. I previously overclocked to 260 but had some lockups especially with today plugins that were running from SD card. I'm just curious what info you have that overclocking to a higher rate would do damage to the device...just curious.
hi!which processor is better?the one HTC TYTN has or the Mio A701 ?thank you in advance!
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hi!which processor is better?the one HTC TYTN has or the Mio A701 ?thank you in advance!
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I have both devices.. but I think the Xscale 520 Mhz is faster but.....
but the processor from my vario is more stable... Tomtom 6 works the same... the pull down menu from WM5 is little bit slower...
But at the end... the vario is much more a winner... !!!!
Mio A701 is a bad phone... poor audio, poor gsm hardware!! OLD stuff!!
Vario II / Tytn has a good mix of ROM and Hardware!!!
thank you very much!i am about to buy the TYTN and i just wanted to know that i am making a good choice!thank you again!
As processor, XScale is clearly the best.
Samsung is slower while cheaper. Also Samsung lacks Wireless MMX instructions, thats why newest XScales of similar frequency outperform Samsungs almost 2x times in decoding video.
Stability have nothing to do with processor, its up to software & manufacturer. All processors are stable - thats, they work up to exact specifications. Its software that glitches, regardless of processor.
Before you buy TYTN (and any other device), look at corresponding forums for problems people experience.
well... wutt can I say mate?
for my use my vario II is speedy enough. have no probs at all. great device.
My Jasjam is more than fast enough.
I beleive he asked "what is the best", not "what is the good enough".
Though he should've asked in "general" forum
Even 200 MHz OMAP is good enough for a lot of people, considering its wonderful energy efficiency.
Thank you very much for your answers!i am gonna buy the TYTN!!!!!!
I agree with all of the above. I've got both, and although the A701 is fast out of the box, and can be overclocked, the Hermes is surprisingly fast - most users won't need to complain, so in real world usage you'll have no worries with either. But I'd go with the Hermes if you have to choose between the two phones, not the two processors.
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vijay555 said:
I agree with all of the above. I've got both, and although the A701 is fast out of the box, and can be overclocked, the Hermes is surprisingly fast - most users won't need to complain, so in real world usage you'll have no worries with either. But I'd go with the Hermes if you have to choose between the two phones, not the two processors.
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Yep .. you need to look at the entire package (best is TyTN) and see what you really need/like ... processor is just a part ..
thank you very much for your help!