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Has anyone tried TomTom 6 ?
hi, yes i have tried it and i am a bit confused due to the problem i am experiencing. when i start tomtom 6 on my mda pro everything is ok , but, it dosnt work in landscape mode..i mean i does in landscape left-handed but it doesnt work in landscape right-handed mode, why is that , is there anyway to fix this problem. have a look at screens on the website:
http://pocketsoft.1500mb.com/
cheers, cudo
Anyone knows where to get the TomTom 6 yet?
I got it running and all fine.. also i am right handed....I can honestly say that this is the best navigation software out there as yet!! .....great stuff but no inbuilt screen rotation like the last version???.... apart from that AWESOME!!
wbr
Is it much different from 5.2?
What new features are there? Is it faster?
MUCH faster, it loads in less thatn half the time on my Blueangel
Midget_1990 said:
MUCH faster, it loads in less thatn half the time on my Blueangel
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Back to Universals...
On the Exec:
No noticeable change in startup time. Slightly quicker if its already been used that day.
I would say it is slightly slower navigating in 3d mode than 5.21, particularly off the motorway (i.e. where it has more to draw). However it is faster than the sluggish 5.00. (5.21 was super smooth)
Not sure if it's due to the massive map file containing all western europe, as opposed to a lone UK map.
Left and Right hand landscape seem to work ok. I had some screen issues after installing & running tt6 without soft-reseting the Exec.
After soft-reset, was working fine.
Navigating through the options/setup menu windows is slightly sluggish too. Buttons seem to need a firmer (longer?) press to register and action the change/change pages etc. Sometimes the buttons will be highlighted, indicating it knows you pressed it, but not actually do anything.
I miss the sharp, quick response of the 5.21 menus.
This might cause problems whilst trying to quickly change setting/change destination whilst driving.
i was really hopping that the lanscape refresh was fixed in this version but it's not. Just have to live with it.
Hi, can anybody tell me where I can buy TOMTOM6, been look very hard and cannot find anywhere, cheer in advance
Hi, is any body willing to send me the TomTom6 files as I still cannot download them.
Thanks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53454&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
download the files from this ftp site :wink:
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That`s a dead link mate.
IE Link: ftp://xda+pcsmart24.com:[email protected]/
After clicking that link enter the username: [email protected] and the password: developers
try this then
Still a dead link!!
uh strange try this post in the forum then and scroll down to the 15th reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=354321#354321
1st page of that thread 15th reply down
Are maps newer in version 6 vs version 5.2, or is the update just software?
Thanks.
BillB said:
Are maps newer in version 6 vs version 5.2, or is the update just software?
Thanks.
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not sure if they're updated, but its still trying to navigate through several roads which have been blocked off for more than a year (in some cases since 2000) in Brum n West midlands...so as far as i am concerned its the same old maps.
Further to my previous post about speed of tt6:
When only using the "GB map with major roads of western europe"...it runs a little faster (3d nav + flicking through the menus), than when i was using the 800+MB map with all of western europe.
I still think 5.21 was smoother / more responsive in menus.
hate to think how it will run with the map of US which is > 1GB
tomtom 6
I have the tomtom6 running the GB plus map. it defenitely starts up quicker and the map is updated with new roads
Apparently, the older v5 maps are not compatible with this new v6. However, as far as i can ascertain, the POI are compatible so that is handy. I will try loading those later to check for myself.
Regarding the problems some are having. I also find the start up time has been vastly improved in this version. I only loaded the GB maps so cannot vouch for the speed of a full western europe installation. However, i can definately say that the speed with this version is quicker than v5 maps.
As for the "Rotate" function, this is correct, it has been removed from v6. Why this is so i have absolutely no idea, as i found this feature not only useful, but it became absolutely essential. Due to the car holder, i have to use the Universal in landscape mode and rotated 180*. Therefore, i have to make sure that the screen is rotated the correct way before starting tomtom. TomTom will use the orientation that the Universal is set at upon startup, so if you forget, you have to close it, rotate the screen and then restart tomtom again!
Initially, this was a major pain. But i can assure everyone that it is amazing how quickly you will adapt and remember to set the orientation before using the tomtom. I really thought that it was going to be a major problem and was about to revert back to v5. Thankfully i stuck with it as it is a better product than v5 imho.
If you like this version, i recommend supporting tomtom by purchasing this fine release, thereby ensuring the continued development of the TomTOm PDA releases!
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I saw some i780 images with RealVGA and I just have to admit it was the best square screen I have even seen for a PPC. This seems precisely what I want for my screen. Could someone please explain what exactly is it, and how it works? and if all softwares are automatically compatible with it, or would I have to sacrifice my software collection in order to use it???
BTW, what screen resolutions does it work with and would my Treo 750 support it??
I always thought you needed a VGA screen to use realVGA or anything like that, so i don't think it would be possible on a treo. Then again i'm not entirely sure so i would wait for someone else to confirm.
RealVGA, essentially, makes everything smaller.
The point of this is to take advantage of a high resolution screen (since WM doesn't). In your case, it will probably make windows unusable as the 240x240 resolution would end up making text so small that it's illegible.
It's mainly meant for 640x480 screens although 480x480 as well as 320x320 screens appear to be usable.
RealVGA, or TrueVGA as I like to call it, basically disables pixel-doubling that WM uses to make all programs work well. This can really only be used on devices that have more pixels than 320x240. So a VGA screen of 640x480 will show 4x the about of data in TrueVGA mode as it would in normal mode.
The downside is that not all programs will work properly. This is a developer issue, and it is best to contact them to resolve this problem. I would suggest putting your device into TrueVGA mode and trying out the programs that you use, and see if you are happy with the results.
I have put a package together in the link below that you can use for testing purposes, and see if it is something you like or not.
Personally I only every use my device in TrueVGA mode as I hate the lost space as a result of the large icons on my x51v. But it will come down to personal preference and you are best to try and see for yourself.
Cheers
Mark
prabhg said:
I saw some i780 images with RealVGA and I just have to admit it was the best square screen I have even seen for a PPC. This seems precisely what I want for my screen. Could someone please explain what exactly is it, and how it works? and if all softwares are automatically compatible with it, or would I have to sacrifice my software collection in order to use it???
BTW, what screen resolutions does it work with and would my Treo 750 support it??
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RealVGA actually changes your dpi. The stock i780 is using 128dpi which is something not common. Most devices are using 96 dpi. I believe RealVGA was written is to maximize the available screen. Of course with 96 dpi, the letters are also smaller, and it might pose some difficulty in readin texts on the screen.
However, others are still using RealVGa mainly one can maximize the screen. Also, the display though small, makes it look more sharp.
As to the programs, I'm not sure what you have. For myself, I am using PocketCM (modded to fit in the i780), Audio Manager and the Diamond WM Player Skin (modded to fit in the i780). I also installed the HTC Today plugin.
I also had modded SPB Mobile Shell 2.1 (I've since uninstalled it), I have SBSH Weather (using slikkie's sbsh weather skin). Quite a few software can run under RealVGA, it depends on what you have actually.
Hope this helps.
after install realVGA, my i780 can't make or receive VIDEO CALL
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after install realVGA, my i780 can't make or receive VIDEO CALL
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Search for the nadavi 3g dialer for i780. Install and you will be able to make video calls.
Since yesterday I have registered my copy of Navigon MN7 from my G900 (WVGA too) to the X1 (no problems, thanks to the service of Navigon).
I changed the files as attached. If you use them, place them in main folder of Navigon on the storage card and the ApplicationSettings to the settings directory.
BUT ATTENTION: This is of a german G900. Therefore it may be possible that you have to change some lines in the files form "Speicherkarte" to "Starge Card". I didn't look at this! After zipping them on the PC just open them first with text editing program and look if there ist "Speicherkarte" written somewhere in the file. Change this to the language of your X1.
My experiance of the X1 with the MN7 ist great, if you accept two bugs, it has now, even an update is announced for the next days...
1. You only can use WVGA in the Portrait Mode. In Landscape Mode it is only VGA. It works, but with a black stripe on the right site. I don't mind because I am using only Portrait Mode.
2. MN7 finds the gps of X1 at once with the automatic search. But as it is with other internal GPS too, it can not hold the connection more than 1-2 minutes. You have first to start a program, that holds the connection (I use GPS-Skinner) and then start MN7 and everything works fine. This is a known Bug Navigon is working at and an update is announced for the beginning of November.
If you accept this, you get a great navigation experiance. The internal gps is faster than every gps I ever had. Even my GNS 5843, which is a great quality product. X1 fixes faster and finds and holds more satelittes!
The speed ist great. My G900 (WVGA too) needed 40+x seconds to start MN7, the X1 about 15 seconds. Everything responses very fast. Calculating a route needs 3-5 seconds. Typing the adress about 1-3 seconds for response. Worlds between earlier versions of MN.
With this great internal GPS it gives a complete new feeling of navigation to me, and I use Navigon since a lot of years
first thx for the files, but this two bugs are crazy, specialy the GPS Bug, I tried IGO and Garmin XT, they both work perfect, without any GPS loss, or Problems with WVGA, so if you drive many in EU also East EU then i would take IGO 2008, they havr the best Maps there, it is very fast, and runs smooth.
Regards cHarOn
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first thx for the files, but this two bugs are crazy, specialy the GPS Bug, I tried IGO and Garmin XT, they both work perfect, without any GPS loss, or Problems with WVGA, so if you drive many in EU also East EU then i would take IGO 2008, they havr the best Maps there, it is very fast, and runs smooth.
Regards cHarOn
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i agree that Igo works fine, but if we compare maps like Italy, navigon has more streets in navigon in europe.( Latvia is very bad.) I faced this because one truck driver asked to fix for him latest maps for navigon and I was thinking that igo would be better and got for him igo, but then he started complaining that there are missing blocks of sreets.
In Latvia tomtom works the best. Igo cant find adresses.and has problems with routs
but still my favorit is igo
Your file BinaryConfig.xml seems to be corrupted ??? It cannot be opened.
Hi,
I have installed Navigon 7 to my X1 and I have used the files posted here to see if it works, however when I launch the app I get the splash screen with the spinning logo and then after about 15-20 seconds that diapears and the phone drops back in the last panel I was using i.e Today panel.. but the start bar at the top of the screen has disapeared..?
Any ideas..
I have uninstalled and reinstalled many times but that doesnt help.. and the only way to get the start bar back is to reboot the phone.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi,
once you rebooted the X1, it should start without any problems every time you start MN7.
Had the same problem. Since reboot it works flawlessly.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the reply.. Unfortunatly I get the same problem everytime I reboot the phone.. Launch the app get the splash screen and then it drops back to Panel but without the start bar.. Reboot.. start again.. and again.. etc..
Shame really as it looks like a good sat nav and would like to play with a specially extended trial version before I purchase the app
I've just signed up for the beta of telmap which works fine on the x1 (although they don't give you an option for it,so the stellar or diamond versions work).
You say you have replaced the three files with the WVGA ones? hmmm...
Maybe it is because of the trail version? well, doesn't really make sense...
One more option to get it running is, maybe, to do the thing in landscape mode?
First turn your screen and then start MN app. Well, you never know...
Chris
After completely removing the app and the navigon directory from the phone and then doing a registry clean and a general tidy up of the storage on the phone I re-copied the Navigon directory with its contents to the phone and then copied the files from the first post in this thread and I can now launch the app without it dropping back to the panel, however now it asks for a serial key.. anyone have a keygen for this app.. as its currenlty asking me to go to the navigon site with the device id and register for a serial..
hello,
i have the following problem.
i coppied all file on the card, then installed the prog.
i can start it from the file manager, but if i want to try it from start... and press the icon, nothing happens...
does anyone have an idea, what this could be?
(if my english is not that perfekt, i am from germany and i am trying,hehe)
gruss,
maik
Nothing. I can't cancel my previous message.
Navigon MobileNavigator 7.3.1 Xperia Fix
Hello Guys,
i had just installed the Navigon 7.3.1 with the patch in the attachment that the only one which works
copy the "ApplicationSettings.XML" in the folder: "settings" and the two files : "BinaryConfig a. CacheConfig" in the Folder "Navigon"
And if you want to start the program in the landscape mod you have to install the "MN7LS.ARM.CAB"
View attachment 7.3.1.zip
View attachment MN7LS.ARM.CAB
MN7 working now
Many thanks to rookie333 I was finally able to get the test version of MN7 running
Its such a simple solution. Shame on Navigon Support for not being able to help at all and for their product being so poor designed to not include 800x480 resultions.
Normally I use it in the portrait mode. But one of the many flaws in Navigon software is that reality view only works in landscape mode.
But when I switch to landscape mode the screen gets broken. Any idea why?
In comparison to Tomtom the MN7 is not ready for 800x480 devices.
The whole display is stretched in length and squashed in width.
Everything on the map is so tiny you cannot read it, so symbols and text are unusable. The great lane-assistant from version 6 is now a tiny icon on the side.
All together MN7 on X1 is a big disappointment. Hopefully Navigon comes up with some patches soon.
But as I know Navigon development and support for years now, that will not happen soon.
So I will stick with my MN6 on PDA or change to Tomtom.
Tomtom on the other hand looks like it was build for the X1. It completely fits the screen, without stretching or squashing. Icons and text are great.
Regards
pt
You have to start Navigon in landscape mode, but you cannot switch while the program is running. I don't think it's squashed or stretched. The interface is VGA, but with X1's high dpi, it looks good. The map is just perfect with the attached XML files. The xml files are from the Touch HD forum, but with modified BinaryConfig.xml.
Landscape Mode
My Xperia will not start Navigon in Landscape mode. It sort of freezes up the Xperia which then needs restarting. Is the CAB language specific?
In Portrait mode it is useless (see edit below) as the useful part of the view (betweern the Arrow and the horizon) is just a tiny slit shown in my attached photo. Compare that of the official picture where the position arrow is much lower down and the horizon is near the top of the screen as it should be.
On the Xperia, one third of the screen is taken up by sky!
Also the Position Arrow with its circle cover up important parts of road junctions making it hard to see where to drive.
Edit: OK Now I've installed it all again, and copied the XML files again and now it is much better. The sky only take up a small amount of the screen and the arrow is lower down. What is going on? Is it dependent on the XML files?
Does anybody know how to turn on TMC on Mobile Navigator 7. I didn't setup it during first install but i discovered i can do it ....
I don't know how to setup again
Finaly i have something else than wayfinder. Thanks Rookie333 for excellent instruction.
I successfully used your configuration on my Xperia R1A. Navigon now launches in WVGA portrait (but I am unable to run it in landscape mode, even with the cab given in this thread, it fails with a message "unable to find mobilenavigator7.exe", quite strange).
But my real problem is : each time I start navigon, there is no GPS defined. So I have to configure it, using assistant. It finds the internal GPS, and it works for a short time.
Then during navigation it stops working. If I check the GPS status, there is no GPS device detected again. I have to detect the GPS again, etc ... and it works for several minutes, then fail again ...
Any idea why Navigon is loosing connection to the GPS so often ?
HI
Can i know where is the installation file
Hi,
does it possible (and if somebody tried yet) run RealVGA on HTC HD?
thx
For those who don't know what realVGA is, like myself before here is an explanation:
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RealVGA is the name of a freeware application/hack for Windows Mobile 6. It supercedes hacks like oZVGA and TrueVGA which were around for WM5.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327830
On a device with a VGA 640x480 screen, Windows Mobile uses pixel doubling to emulate a standard QVGA 320x240 screen. This makes most software display exactly the same as it does on QVGA, with the same sized fonts and number of lines etc., but with much smoother fonts.
Worse still, on a device with a 320x320 screen, WM "pretends" the screen is actually 240x240, so displays exactly the same info as you would see on a 240x240 screen (e.g. Treo 750, Ipaq 69xx), but with smoother fonts. Pretty pathetic really, when you consider you have a higher res screen, but can only display less information than a standard 320x240 PocketPC!
Microsoft's reason for all this is to allow you to run any WM application designed for an "old" QVGA screen, without it having to be VGA-aware. Much the same as hi-res 320x320 screens on PalmOS devices pixel-double all the menus and standard Palm applications that were written to work with the "original" 160x160 Palm Pilot screens.
The higher res does allows you to reduce the text size smaller than you would on a QVGA screen (e.g. to 6pt on the Today screen) but still be able to read it, and some applications will use the higher res mode internally if they specifically support it - but you still have to put up with the huge top and bottom status bars and OS menus / limited lines.
What the RealVGA application does is to force Windows Mobile 6 and above to dispense with the emulation and run everything at the native resolution of the screen. So on a VGA screen, all the title bars, menus and fonts are shrunk to 50%. This makes best use of the new hardware, but it also means text can be very small, as effectively you're just shrinking what people used to view on old 12-14" VGA PC monitors down to a couple of inches! This works fine on a 5 or 3.5" screen (e.g. HTC Advantage or Universal) but you need really good eyesight to use it on the common 2.8" VGA screened smartphone.
However, on a 320x320 screen, it works pretty well. I use it on my Samsung i780 and while the text is small, it is perfectly readable, and well worth the extra information you can squeeze onto the screen.
RealVGA allows you to switch between resolutions at will, with just a soft reset required to change. On a VGA device you get the choice of 144, 128 and 96dpi and on a 320x320 screen, 128 and 96dpi (96dpi is the highest res, smallest font mode the screen will do).
As for using it on the new Palms, although originally written for the HTC Advantage, RealVGA worked pretty much straight away on the i780 (which was the first WM device with a 320x320 screen), so hopefully it should be pretty straightforward to use on the Palm. The only real difficulty is with a few programs that use non-scalable graphics that need a bit of tweaking to look right (e.g. phone dialler skins, games etc).
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So, did anyone try it yet (don't have mine yet)?
On the G900 it worked, so I guess it's quite possible that it will work on the HD, too!
zwuncki said:
So, did anyone try it yet (don't have mine yet)?
On the G900 it worked, so I guess it's quite possible that it will work on the HD, too!
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hey, nobody tried this???
this is one of first thing I will try when I receive my phone next week...
Please, if somebody tried this, which one to download,
and does it work ok??
thx
I tried it and it worked very good. Some menues are too big, and sometimes the error site appears, but most of the time it works almost perfectly. But the 96DPI is way too small, even on such a big display. So I chose 128DPI and it works great.
I tried it on my HD, it works. HOWEVER, phone application doesn't work any more. I can't make or receive calls, even if I return back to original DPI. there is checkbox to disable phone skin, no matter if it is checked or not, my phone application will not run. I just bricked my phone, please help, I don't want to hard reset it and spend another month by tuning it.
Hi to All,
i want to be provocative and make a strong statement to know your opinion:
the conclusion: navigon 7.3.0 is superior in all aspects to TomTom 7.910.
In fact, i am having a very pleasant experience with Navigon after many years of TomTom "study".
In summary, the added benefits which i see:
definitely a clearer graphics, both in 2D and 3D in particular realview and also special highway indications to make driving safer. This includes more information like the turn after the next one.
NavTeq maps are, at least in my area, much more detailed and precise with respect to roads and also speed limits indications are strictly matching the signs!
Richer and more informative POI collection (for example, with the actual logos and graphics for the different fuel stations, supermarkets, etc.etc.)
text to speech by default: in french it is really excellent!
Cheaper: 99 Euros (149 with the 2 years maps subscription) is definitely less than TomTom....if a touch HD owner could buy it!
fix is instantaneous in Navigon: time that the software loads, the gps is already there!
Now the remaining defects of Navigon:
to install it you have to use a mortscript and modified xml files (all listed in other threads)
still, in 800x480 the screen aspect ratio is slightly distorted (see other threads)
exiting from the program is surprisingly slow!
switching from landscape to portrait and viceversa can only be done at startup (actually, i like this behaviour but i am probably the only one...)
Still, the touch HD is not an officially supported device. However, differently from TomTom, they don't try to keep you out and allow freshmaps and synchronization, for example.
Just wanted to propagate my experience, since the small installation issues related to point 1. were somehow keeping me away from this fantastic product. In addition, TomTom pissed me off - since i sincerely tried to buy it and at the end they refunded me since i didn't have an HTC Touch but "only" a Touch HD...e.g. "only" the best PDA ever! Maybe it is too much nicer than TomTom PNA boxes?
...Am i right?
for the speedcam alerts navigon is still a bad solution and even with the mortscript mn7 doesn't run on some hd... igo 8 seems to be the best solution...
i like Navigon but the interface could be improved. I can't see the info because the text is too small which is a problem on my motor bike. Also there is a lot of wasted space in the direction arrow window which could be used better. All the info in the dreaded TomTom is very clear on the motor bike so no stress trying to read the info - I never use voices while driving - would drive me nuts.
Would be nice to see some screen shots of both and other software even for comparison.
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I never use voices while driving - would drive me nuts.
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Really? When I'm on my motorcycle, I have my HD in my jacket pocket and use the earphones for voice Nav. I can't imagine navigating the Swiss mountain roads while watching a PDA screen! Anyway, maybe your eyes are faster than mine
I agree
and what about Navigon Vs IGO8??
i think IGO8 is the best navi on pda...
I have Navigon and TomTom installed on my HD. TomTom has all hi res graphics whereas Navigon has some stretched graphics in some places. Maps are hi res in both. However, Navigon has Text to Speech and announce road names whereas TomTom does not. That does it for me
When forced to use mortscript to simply install a program - it can´t be a goot solution anyway. I even had a hard time go get iGO running.
For Navigon, I never used mortscript. Installed fine with WVGA xml files. All works fine, except I get the memory errors. After several taps of the ok button it finally runs ok.
Totally agree...
I'm using Navigon since the version 5 on PDAphone... and it was since the beginning a lot better than Tomtom !!
From my point of view, Tomtom always had the world's ugliest graphical interface...!!
The version 7.450 is still installed on my HD, and the only positive points are the speedy loading time and the Master Yoda’s voice… ;-)
Right now, with the version 7 of Navigon, I'm also a bit disappointed with the too small text... however the maps are a lot more accurate than the Tomtom maps !!
I'm also using iGo 8 sometimes... not bad at all !!