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hey,
i downloaded this freeware app from a site; it's called "ok birth control" and claims to be able to calculate / determine when a woman is fertile (dates when pregnancy is high). i downloaded it since my wife and i are trying to have little robsons and little karens running around the house. when i turned on the app; it was looking for a program plug-in; which i also found on the same site when i went back looking for it. finally; installing the b.c. app is 75kb; but the plug-in was around 1-plus meg. it worked fine; it was rather accurate and my wife was impressed. however; i found out that the plug-in screwed up the alarm notifications; my alarm wouldn't sound and would activate only after going to the clock settings. weird. :roll: but the worse part is that it screwed up my bluetooth connection with my headset; bonding /rebonding would indicate that the headset was recognized but making/receiving calls wouldn't be transferred. :roll:
so, should you run into this program "ok birth control"; please don't use it and spare yourselves the trouble of doing a hard reset. removing the program/app didn't help; a hard reset was called for.
cheers
robson
Robson said:
hey,
i downloaded this freeware app from a site; it's called "ok birth control" and claims to be able to calculate / determine when a woman is fertile (dates when pregnancy is high). i downloaded it since my wife and i are trying to have little robsons and little karens running around the house. when i turned on the app; it was looking for a program plug-in; which i also found on the same site when i went back looking for it. finally; installing the b.c. app is 75kb; but the plug-in was around 1-plus meg. it worked fine; it was rather accurate and my wife was impressed. however; i found out that the plug-in screwed up the alarm notifications; my alarm wouldn't sound and would activate only after going to the clock settings. weird. :roll: but the worse part is that it screwed up my bluetooth connection with my headset; bonding /rebonding would indicate that the headset was recognized but making/receiving calls wouldn't be transferred. :roll:
so, should you run into this program "ok birth control"; please don't use it and spare yourselves the trouble of doing a hard reset. removing the program/app didn't help; a hard reset was called for.
cheers
robson
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so tell us did it work? I mean did your wife fall pregnant?
Maybe it was so smart it screwed up your PDA so you would have even more time to spend with Karen.
Screwing the pda will not result in a pregnancy. Screwing often does though.
to: cruisin-thru and peter poelman
-point taken
however the reason why we have to closely monitor her ovulation period is because we've been having difficulty for 3 years now. we've had ourselves checked quite a number of times and everything is normal. a couple of weeks ago she underwent an operation which we hope will increase our chances. keeping our fingers crossed...
to: jgadallah
yes, the software is relatively easy to use and quite straightforward. you just have to input 3 or 4 things for it to calculate the dates when the fertility period is.
unfortunately, as i've said it screws around with the alarm and thus makes it not sound. it also advances your calendar alarm / reminder times by around 3 hours. and lastly it screws up the bluetooth such that the device can recognize the headset but refuses to transfer the call. even after so many bonding and rebonding configurations.
cheers
robson
My Xda2 is a transvestite I think. Can it still have babies????
Will your program tell me when it Ovulates???
Robson, I wish you all the best, sometimes life cannot be planned as we want it, relax, enjoy your life and maybe in time it will happen.
Wrong time of the month. No mating allowed with my Xda for a few days. Ho Hum.
Which plug-in does it ask? I havent noticed such problems on PPC 2002 platform?
:?
Girls best friend
You might wanna forget the whole thing (the software, that is), and perhaps look at "Girls best friend" instead?
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=12454
Did not cause any problems with my Himalaya..
And I wish you the best of luck! :wink:
I want some toddlers too, but I'm a bit too young..
Just a few more years..
Don't worry, when you have the sproglets, you won't need your alarms anymore (well, not for waking up, that's for sure).
Good luck,
Alex.
It seems I am not the only one that have had "some pains" when using A2DP (="Stereo Bluetooth" / "Wireless Stereo"-bluetooth profile).
I thought I write down some tips for getting A2DP to work, and how to minimize the issues people are having...and hopefully others will fill in their tips...and maybe even prove me wrong (I have been wrong before...but what are the odds of that happening TWICE!?" ) on some points?
1. Challenge is getting a headset that supports A2DP, and works well with the Universal
I have had a pair of HP stereo headphones (these are only for music, does not have a microphone), a set of Motorola HT820 and a pair of i-Tech BluePRO. There are probably 20-30 other options as we speak (among other from Ericsson, Nokia, etc).
All the 3 ones I had worked with the Universal using A2DP to listen to music. Here are the PRO's and CON's for each of them from my point of view.
HP Stereo Headphones (same as Logitechs iPod BT headphones)
+ Clear and nice sound.
+ For "over the ear"-headphones, they were comfortable.
- Seems to be fairly sensitive for stuttering/lag/gaps when used for A2DP...at least is MY headset like that!
- Poor batterycapasity (approx 8 hours)
- Not an mini-usb plug (since the JasJar use mini-USB...less cables to bring)
- lacks a little bass wise (at least compared to the i-Techs)
i-Tech BluePRO
+ Seems to have fairly little prob with "lag/suttering" (my specific headset has almost no issues with it at least!)
+ Great bass (a BIG plus for me...I love techno-music
+ Great batterylife (approx 20 hours, and even more if you buy a 2500mah rechargable AA battery)
+ Can play very loud...if you want to that is (actually louder than my wired Koss headphones)
+ Uses 1 AA battery (I felt this was a CON first, but now that I have bought some 2500mah rechargable AA batteries, this actually is a "pro")
- "fuzzy" sound (compared to HP and Motorola HT820, the sound is slighty "fuzzy"...I noticed it when I swapped from Motorola to these, but have not noticed afterwards...so for HiFi people it might be a big CON, for me it was not).
- Reconnect not as expected (will not automatically reconnect to Universal when it is turned off and then on again)
- not very good for phonecalls (people are sometimes complaining it is hard to hear me)
Motorola HT820
+ Clear and nice sound.
+ Great microphone (people on other end say I am crystal clear, even when I walk outside)
+ Good batterylife (15 hours I think)
+ Charges over MiniUSB (hurrah, can use the Universal sync/charge cable)
+ Reconnects as expected (if you turn on the headset it will automatically reconnect with Universal)
- Seems to be fairly sensitive for stuttering/lag/gaps when used for A2DP (not an issue with phonecalls it seems)...at least is MY headset like that!
- ucomfortable to wear over time (after around two hours, they "hurt the ears", due to the way they hang over the ears...might be my ears though
- lacks a little bass wise (at least compared to the i-Techs)
I think that just about any person would chose the Motorola's over the i-Tech's anytime.
...but I am not everyone...so I personally use the i-Tech...and that is ONLY because of the "heavy bass", "loud soundlevel" and "closed earmuffs"...since that means I can listen to music/podcasts in even noisy environments and get what I define as "good sound" (="lots and lots of bass"
[UPDATE 1. august 2006]
I used my Motorola's again when I was on vacation (have used only the iTechs for several months now), and suddenly had a lot of lag/stuttering again...an issue I thought I had resolved with registryfixes and new ROM's.
...but "suddenly" I could not walk around with my headset and listen to "gapless music in stereo"...I could not do a workout at the gym with them, even when the Universal was 2-3 meters away from me...I would get gaps/lags once every minute or so.
With my iTech's this problem is almost non-existent. ...I wrongly thought this issue was fixed on the Universal-side, with the latest ROM's I installed, so forth...but it seems that at least "part of the problem" was the headsets themselves (my Motorola HT820's and my HP headset seems a quite a bit worse off in this regard than my iTech's).
My conlusion...test before you buy, since the headsets ALSO can influence the amount of lag/stuttering you get (as this was not complex enough as it was)!!!!
I am "happy" with my iTechs...but wish they automatically reconnected to Universal when I turn them on...and wish they were as good as the Motorola's for phonecalls.
[END OF UPDATE 1. august 2006]
2. Get a ROM which supports A2DP
This should not be to hard today, you can for example install the latest QTEK ROM (I use the WWE/english ROM, not sure of status on the other versions). Jwright (a user on this forum) have made a custom ROM which also contains A2DP and PushMail, and I know there are quite a few other "official ROM's" with A2DP...but I do not have that overview.
I do not have a QTEK 9000 myself, but actually a "Norwegian i-Mate JasJar"...but I was able to install the QTEK ROM, and U should be able to do it too, regardsless of version of Universal you have. ...it might be a rough ride though, you might need to search these forum and read up on the Wiki pages on how to get around "DeviceID" and "CountryID" issues...but is IS solveable (later I might update this with some direct links to some of those guides posts).
[UPDATE 14.06.2006, tip from "cktlcmd"]
The following are the ROMs with A2DP and AKU2 support (Battery icon replaced Time):
****QTEK ROM (latest ROM)
****T-Mobile NL (latest ROM)
****JWright's Modified ROM (latest ROM)
The following is the only ROM with A2DP support (No AKU2) but with the Time icon still showing:
****JWright's Modified I-Mate ROM (1st test released ROM)
You can find a lot of different ROM installation files here; ftp://xda:[email protected]/Universal/Shipped_Complete_Updates/
PS!
If You have an AKU2 ROM (the ones with PushMail), and do not have A2DP, you can add it with a patch originally made for the HTC Tornado. I have tried this myself with an Norwegian iMate AKU2 ROM that did not have A2DP...and it worked!
It should work on other Windows Mobile 5 devices also (as long as they have AKU2). Then you do not have to reinstall your device from scratch...with all the work that usually involves (in getting everything back to exactly you like it).
You can read about it, and download file from here; http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48491&highlight=tornado+a2dp+patch
So how do I know if I have A2DP or not
When you have bonded with your A2DP-able headset, you should under "Bluetooth Setttings", under the tab "Devices", among other see your headset (for me this is listed as; "i.Tech BluePRO").
If you tap-and-hold this, you will get a context-menu that should contain "Set as Wireless Stereo", if you see that text, you have A2DP. I see for example the following;
Edit
Delete
Set as Hands-free
Set as Wireless Stereo
If anyone reading this know a better/easier way to verify if one has A2DP, feel free to tell me/us...so it is easier for people to check this!
3. Choosing a musicplayer to use on the Universal with A2DP
OK, you have A2DP setup, you have a headset...which musicsoftware should/can you use.
In teory, you should be able to use whatever music software you use today, TCPMP, PocketMusic, MortPlayer, Windows Media Player, so forth. Cause all sounds is sent to the headset (but strangely MortPlayer struggles at least). But you might have problems with AVRCP (AVRCP bluetooth profile, makes it possible to change tracks and play/pause/resume the music from buttons on the headset...very convienient when the Universal is in the rugsack for example).
MortPlayer (exellent player...but A2DP-vise...unfortunately...no)
http://www.sto-helit.de/modules/wmpdownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4
I have always before used a musicplayer called MortPlayer.
The reason for using that one, was that it is incredebly tuned for "doing everything without taking out the stylus" (big buttons everywhere), and that it has an insane amount of options (you can for example set it to always start with a specific voulme, start playing the last song you heard, at the position in the song you left it, and when you quit the sound is set back to what it was before starting it. You can even tell it that a specific folder is "soundbooks", and then it will always remember last listened position of all files in it).
But with A2DP MortPlayer unfortunately does not work well, I get only sound on the left speaker, and the AVRCP buttons do not work. So MortPlayer I must unfortunately leave for now! :-(
Windows Media Player (works...but I "hate" it
You can of course use the built in Windows Media Player. It works with A2DP, and it support AVRCP. There is two (and in my eyes BIG such ones) problems with WMP.
One reason is that is is unbelievably painfull to use in daily use...every time you start it, it "forgets" where you left off the last time, and you have to choose "Storage Card" (it seems to choose "Main Memmory" as default library on startup?), then find the album or playlist and play it...and the areas to click on the screen to do all this requires the stylus (or a "precision finger".
Another reason, is that the play/pause/resume button is not working 100% for all headsets (my HP headset seem to work fine, the iTech and Motorola seems to only work once, then I have to click the next time on the Universal, and then it will work one again...not much use in realworld scenarios).
One big bonus with WMP is that it is already installed, and AVRCP and A2DP works "out of the box", nothing you have to do.
PocketMusic (great, AVRCP works flawlessly)
http://www.pocketmind.com/pocketmusic.htm
This is in my eyes a very good musicplayer for "the go", much like MortPlayer (even though I think MortPlayer is better...with a wired headset that is). It can be set up so that it contines exactly at the same point in the same song as you quit it the day before, and look and behold, AVRCP work with it...and not just that...here the play/pause/resume button works flawlessly (which it does not for WMP for some headsets it seems)...at least with all my 3 headsets.
I now use PocketMusic. The minus with it is that it costs money, but it is well worth it (for me at least). And you can test/use it for free for 15 days or something like that, so you can "test before you buy".
TCPMP (works, at least sound vise)
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/download
I do not use TCPMP (I use it for video, were I believe it is THE player to use...but not for music...too much fidling with the stylus in my view, but that's just my opinion), so I can not say tomuch about it...but I tested and the sound worked at least over A2DP. I did not get the AVRCP buttons to work...but I have seen some people saying "on the web" that it is possible to use...but I do not "how".
4. Stuttering/lag when using A2DP
A2DP works great...but there is at least one issue that can put most people off, and that is that you can get some stuttering/lag in the sound. This can feel like this; You listen to your music, all is great, and suddenly there is no sound at all for a second or so, and suddenly the music continues, and then it is silent, and then it plays again. Sometimes you get one of these, and no problems for hours, and other extreemes can be that the twice every second the sound disapears and appears all the time, until you give up, curse the "damn A2DP", and in best case puts your headphones hard on the table.
REASON 1: Universal is strugling (CPU/RAM)
One reason for stuttering can be that the JasJar is struggling performance vise. To help with this you can do the following;
1. Install "A2DP priority patch"
This is done by adding a value to the registy of your Universal, you can manually enter the registry value, or use a CAB-file or a REG-file someone has prepared.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=46811&highlight=a2dp+lag+patch
2. Kill background programs (or do a soft reset)
When you get this problem, it can also be because of some program working in the background.
But as we all know...there is some rare moments when our PDA's/phones' just seem to be living its own life. I have had occations when there is no programs running, and the phone stills is incredible sluggish, and I can see the menus getting drawen painfully slow. ...and of course, if your PDA gets one of those "I-do-not-want-to-coperate"-moments, A2DP or your music player will struggle...but then it really is not an A2DP issue, since you most likely would have had the same problem with a wired headset.
REASON 2: Radio connection is disturbed (object obstructing signal, WiFi nearby, so forth)
It seems that the connection can be very sensitive for obstructions (between Universal and headset). For example, if I have the Universal in a pocket in my pants, while walking around...I can sometimes get lag/stuttering all the time. If I put it in my rugsack, it stutters very rearly...and if I hold it still in my hand in front of me (OK, you look very stupid doing this, it will not stutter at all.
But if I put it on the table, and walk around the room, and even walk into another room, and will be around 10 meters away, it might not stutter. So I assume it depends of what kind of material is between the Universal and headset, and also the amount of it...but also it will depend on the "general amount of radio disturbance" in that area (an area with a lot of WiFi equipment/Bluetooth signals might be a lot worse that an area with little or no such equipment).
In general for me, I have practically no problems when I walk around with it in my rugsack, and generally have a little (and sometimes a lot of) stuttering when I have my universal in my pant-pockets.
I also have no disturbance at home or at the Gym (as long as I have the Universal around 8-12 meters away from me), but at work (Telecom company with lot of radiotransmitters around) it works at best 3-4 meters maybe. All of this without obstructions.
"Hearing the root-cause"
If you have done all this, and still get stuttering, here is a tip for understanding WHERE the issue is. It seems that you actually can hear if it is an "Universal struggling"-issue, or an "radio-disturbance" issue...
If the sound is continuing exactly where it left of, when it stopped...then it is the Universal that is struggling. Meaning, if you hear a podcast and they say; "The president of...[silence]...the united states of America, Bush said today...", then it is the Universal that is struggling, and you could try to close some programs a soft reset or similar.
If the sound does not continue exactly where it left of, like; "The president of...[silence]...Bush said today", then it is an issue with radio disturbance in some form.
...and with this knowledge, you hopefully will be able to resolve it.
Hope this extreeemly long post will be usefull for someone, feel free to comment/correct/add info and experiences...so that "A2DP newbies" get an easier start than us!
Excellent post, just what I need to know as I have just ordered the Motorola HS820.
Two questions - am I correct in thinking that the latest official UK O2 XDA Exec Rom does not include the a2dp profile?
And if so, which ROM should I go for - I don't need push email, and I want as little branding as possible.
Thanks.
Hi Pantaloonie,
I do not know if "latest official UK O2 XDA Exec ROM" have A2DP, hopefully someone else reading this will know and respond.
There is a lot of official ROM out there (ftp://xda:[email protected]/Universal/Shipped_Complete_Updates), but the only two english ROM's that I know for certain that have A2DP is (but I think there are more now);
Jwrights customized ROM (I have not gotten hold of this)
QTEK WWE ROM (ftp://xda:[email protected]_WWE_13077_130176_10900_WWE_Ship_GR2.0.1.exe
)
[WARNING] It seems that my link above is NOT to the ENGLISH version, but to a GREEK version of the ROM!!!!
I will try out myself at home, and change the link to the correct ROM...but can't do this at work...
And if you want to have minimal operator customization, I think the QTEK ROM's are fairly basic ones. And in worst case you can softreset when the installation starts installing all the apps from ExtendedROM when you do an installation of the ROM. But then you will also often miss some utillities that you actually want to use.
Another alternative is to "cook your own ROM" (I did this for my old Qtek9090), but then you can expect to spend a day or two reading up on this forum, downloading the tools for doing this, and creating you own ExtendedRom. If I get hold of Jwrights customized ROM, I will update my post here though.
Excellent post!
The following are the ROMs with A2DP and AKU2 support (Battery icon replaced Time):
****QTEK ROM (latest ROM)
****T-Mobile NL (latest ROM)
****JWright's Modified ROM (latest ROM)
The following is the only ROM with A2DP support (No AKU2) but with the Time icon still showing:
****JWright's Modified I-Mate ROM (1st test released ROM)
Excellent post dude...you just saved me a ton load of internet research...you should do this more often...keep up the good work
cktlcmd, thanks for the great input!!!
Have added it to my original post, so that others reading this post, don't have to scan through all comments...not a problem right now...but might be harder when more people start giving tips and comments!
Pantaloonie, cktlcmd and youmeus, thanks for the positive feedback! Hopefully at lot of other will fill this with more experiences and tips! ...and I will try to summarize all tips into my original post, so that it is as up-to-date as possible!
This topic is under the Universal category, however everything listed in the initial post should be applicable to any device trying to get A2DP to work cleanly.
However, I believe there are several of us that have tried each of the suggested solutions and it still hasn't resolved the lagging issues. I'd be interested in learning about any debugging tools that could be used to figure out the root cause. Are there any kind of system tracing tools available or even a tool that could list process/thread and device driver priorities that could provide some clues. Is there some way we can determine if it's cpu limited, bandwidth limited (cpu to bt i/o?), interrupt related, etc.
I would also be interested in figuring out if there are any tweeks that can be applied to the bta2dp.dll driver other than setting the priority. For example what is the Flags parameter in the registry used for? It's currently set to 65538 on my device. Could it be a buffer size? A baud rate? Anyone know?
It seems to me if we figure out the root cause then it could even help people where A2DP is working so-so, but only if they close all apps, overclock, etc. To me doing these things is just a workaround until we figure out the real issue.
HS820 aren't stereo. HT820 Are... Great post otherwise
Aah...one can very easily use the Tornado A2Dp posted in the prophet section with any of the AKU2 ROMs...I hv successfully used with Nokia HS 12W...with FM..it works...really works
hdubli, are you saying that it actually works with Universal also? Do you have a direct link to the file in that case, so others easily find the correct file.
ady, thanks will correct post, HT820 it is, I remembered it was someting with "820" at least!
hannip, I put it under Universal since I only had experience with Universal in this regard, and also the ROM's...but if I get some tip/help/assistance from others... ;-)
hannip, I seem to have almost no problems anymore, and most of the times I have had lag/stuttering, it seems to have been "radio disturbance" that have been the problem...now I have learned when it work and when it doesn't, and have very seldom any problems. for example having JasJar in rugsack when I walk, and not in frontpocket of pants. ...and due to the size of JasJar you need a rugsack anyway!
That said, I agree it certainly wouldn't hurt to understand more about root-causes.
Will try to find out name of a app I used a year ago, which showed CPU utillation, memmory and processes.
I must quit now, my girlfriend complains about the irritating clicking from the keys of my JasJar here...
Hannip,
Searched for a tool (and tested all I found) you asked for...here is results...
Performance Monitor (does NOT work on WM5...made for Casio E-10x...veeery long time ago I had one
http://www.thumbsupsoft.com/maphtm/pemon.html
Downloaded, installed it on JasJar. Starts up, but only shows ProgramMemory and MainMemory, but no graph, nor any threads)...and does not completely uninstall either!
MemMaid 1.6 (Works on WM5)
http://www.dinarsoft.com/
I have this myself, is not really an monitoring app, but it also can show all running processes (not programs, like built in simmilar program for this) and their memmory usage. On my JasJar when builtin app shows 1 running app (MemMaid), MemMaid shows 17 running processes (and that they take up approx 22MB!).
Great app...but gives no info about CPU utilization unfortunately.
PMH TaskManager (does NOT work on WM5)
http://www.phm.lu/products/PocketPC/TaskMgr/
This one looked really promissing; "Display the running processes with their IDs, number of threads, CPU time, priority and complete path...".
But also is an PocketPC 2002 app, and on the JasJar it only shows process name...no info on CPU time, priority, so forth! :-(
SuperTasks 2.0 (YEEES, it works...and do what we want!!!)
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=14661
This one shows CPU time pr process, and a graph for total CPU usage (among other), much like task manager om your PC (if you're one of the Windows-people that is.
It has a 30 day trial, so you should be able to test a lot before deciding to buy or not.
Did an "unscientific" test using SuperTask.
I had no other applications running, started after soft reset all times (but of course WindowsMobile will run some background tasks, but since I soft reset each time it should be at least simmilar for all tests). I played same MP3 track that is encoded with 192 Kbps.
Here is the results;
PocketMusic with A2DP
40-45% CPU
PocketMusic without A2DP
20-25% CPU
WindowsMediaPlayer with A2DP
35-40% CPU
WindowsMediaPlayer without A2DP
15-20% CPU
So A2DP (if we trust this "unscientific test"!) takes approx 20% CPU, and WMP takes approx 10% less CPU than PocketMusic (but I still prefer PocketMusic due to usabillity issues).
And this seems to fit with my experiences with A2DP on my JasJar...I seldom have problems with my JasJar outputting...it is a problem normally with BT signal/connection between JasJar and headset...and that is reduced by keeping them close, few/little objects between them.
...but then again...other people might have more CPU intensive apps running on the Universal than me, and therefore get a problem due to the approx 20% CPU usage of A2DP.
UPDATE: Made a seperate post for the test with more info...here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53717
I got this from the wizard forum. Apparently there is a free task manager which works on universal as well and shows plenty of info. Can't find the thread though
ady said:
I got this from the wizard forum. Apparently there is a free task manager which works on universal as well and shows plenty of info. Can't find the thread though
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Thanks, that's a pretty cool app, however the cpu utilization doesn't seem to work for all apps. With PocketMusic playing it shows 0 % cpu for that process. It claims my Idle is 90% with PocketMusic over A2DP. That just can't be correct. Gonna try SuperTasks next.
Using SuperTasks I see the following stats
PocketMusic w/A2DP 15-25% cpu
services.exe 4-6% cpu
device.exe 5-15% cpu
everything else was 0.
So cpu-wise the device doesn't seem to be stressed. What I am hearing is from 2 to 15 seconds of music that gets paused for about a second before it continues. When it continues it sounds like the music is sped up for a moment as if it were trying to catch up.
It's almost like some kind of flow control start and stops. I've tested this in a wireless free area so I don't think it's interference related.
Neither one of these tools show priorities from what I could see. I'm still looking for something that can show process/threads and service priorities.
Mmm how do you get Pocketmusic and AVRCP to work?
I cant get it to work at all......WMP works fine with my HT820's but not with Pocketmusic.
DaveUK said:
Mmm how do you get Pocketmusic and AVRCP to work?
I cant get it to work at all......WMP works fine with my HT820's but not with Pocketmusic.
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What version are you using? Try the latest one.
http://www.pocketmind.com/files/pmusic.zip
Note that you should disable gapless playback if you experience hangs when switching tracks.
hannip said:
So cpu-wise the device doesn't seem to be stressed. What I am hearing is from 2 to 15 seconds of music that gets paused for about a second before it continues. When it continues it sounds like the music is sped up for a moment as if it were trying to catch up.
It's almost like some kind of flow control start and stops. I've tested this in a wireless free area so I don't think it's interference related.
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I agree that this does not sound like "interference related". I think that when you have "interference"/"BT signal" issues, you will just loose some of the sound, while when it is JasJar issues it continues where it left of, or sometimes sound like it suddenly speeds up for a short while to catch up.
The behaviour you have here, I have not heard at all in at least a month, and I use A2DP a couple of hours every day...so it makes me wonder if there is something in the ROM that you have or some software on your JasJar that I don't have...!?
Maybe we should compare ROM versions, what services that are running in background of device, what apps we have installed currently, so forth? ...we probably won't find anything...but maybe worth a try!?
BTW
I DID have that issue a lot before though, and I don't really remember exactly WHEN I got rid of it, if it was manually entering the "A2DP lag patch", or if it was uninstalling some software...since I tried so many things in that period to resolve it...it just works pretty well now (except of course that it sometimes lags if there is to much obstructions between headset/JasJar).
On sunday (first time I have chance to "play again" ), I will also test with my Motorola HT820's again...just to verify that it works just as well with those headphones as it does with my iTech headset. ...it would really surprise me if that has had an effect...but I do not remember when it started to work fine...and "desperate people try desperate things"!
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Note that you should disable gapless playback if you experience hangs when switching tracks.
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Ahhhh thats the reson for those anoying delays!
Thanks!
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For some reason the version I downloaded direct from their website was 4.03
The copy you sent works like a charm with AVRCP.
Thanks alot!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mmm how do you get Pocketmusic and AVRCP to work?
I cant get it to work at all......WMP works fine with my HT820's but not with Pocketmusic.
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What version are you using? Try the latest one.
http://www.pocketmind.com/files/pmusic.zip
Note that you should disable gapless playback if you experience hangs when switching tracks.
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I thought I would start a thread for those experiencing music play-back issues.
I get 'skipping' when playing back music, but the really annoying thing is that sometimes it does not occur at all. This means I cannot, by process of elimination, determine what the cause is. Today I listened to an album with no problems at all, but last night the same album was skipping very badly - so file type cannot be to blame (it was AAC anyway).
If anyone else is having similar problems, please post and detail your phone model and network.
I have the graphite model on Orange. I have alerted HTC tech support to this problem and am awaiting a response.
Thanks.
Well, I still get intermittant skipping during the beginning of tracks! This is VERY frustrating, especially as I cannot pin down the reason and some people on here seem to have no problems at all. So my music player is effectively useless. I hope the update addresses this issue, but something tells me it won't...
Sorry but I have no problems at all really. Maybe a bit of hiss at the very lowest volumes but other than that I have happily replaced my ipod touch
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Well, I still get intermittant skipping during the beginning of tracks!
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I get the same problem, but only when i listen to one song and it changes to the next. If i select another song theirs no skipping.
I get the same problem, but only when i listen to one song and it changes to the next. If i select another song theirs no skipping.
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Exactly the same here, does anyone out there have a clue why this is happening?
I have this problem too - Hero on Orange in the UK.
I have stuttering with BT playback and also the 'stretching' problem where a track goes off-key, like a dying 1980's walkman. Have tried turning off Wifi/Mobile/GPS but still occurs. Is better if the phone is 12 inches away from the BT headphones, but that kind of sucks.
Are you using bluetooth?
I found that having wifi turned on while using bluetooth caused stuttering, and this was fixed by turning off the wifi.
There are a variety of different issues you may encounter. For those having stuttering issues at the start of a track, are you using the stock SD card supplied with the phone? I think that is only a class 2 SD card, which provides a lower transfer rate which some people think can hobble things - particularly if you have other SD things going on like apps2sd and swapper. I have a 16GB class 6 card installed and haven't noticed any stuttering.
Cutting other background tasks such as Twitter (or at least dialling it back from an update every 5 minutes) may help things.
YMMV.
I've had a few Heroes now and only my most recent one had a stutter problem. The apps and settings were set to be the same on each phone. The MP3s were the same on the same card. I have no idea why one phone would have problems like that when the others didn't.
Happily, I applied the latest Rom and based on listening to half an hour of music last night it seems to be fine now.
Everything works better with this ROM it seems so look forward to release / get flashing.
I can confirm that since installing the Modaco update ROM, I no longer experience skipping/interferance. I have not listened to a large amount of music so it's early days, but things are looking good!
For people's information, I have a class 6 16gb card and yet I still used to get problems. So I think SD cards are not the source of the problem - especially since the update appears to have cured the problem.
Thanks.
I get stuttering and tempo changes over bluetooth using 2.73.405.5 (MCR 2.0), ie. the latest 'official' ROM, AFAIK.
Mid-tune stuttering seems to be down to weak BT transmission, i.e. if I turn my head to the left whilst cycling, I get stutter, if I look forward, it's OK. If I have the handset in one pocket (nearest the BT headphone receiver) no stutter, if I have the handset in the other pocket, I get lots of stutter.
All of this with BT headphones that worked flawlessly with my iPhone 2G...
Hope this gets resolved soon (are you reading HTC?) or the phone going back to Orange for a Nokia N900
I had major stuttering at the start of almost every track with the original ROM. Although as for the OP sometimes it would be fine. Usually it was resolved by a reboot, but not always.
The latest ROM is a lot better (I have installed Generic 2.73.405.5, not MoDaCo's Customer ROM).
There is still occasional stuttering at the start of tracks though when the phone has been on for a long time and I have been making phone calls (the Phone and People apps do not seem to ever shut down once they have been opened - maybe this is the cause), but a reboot now ALWAYS solves it.
Syncing apps also cause a tiny stutter so tweak your apps like Peep etc so as not to be syncing every few minutes.
So, HTC have gotten some of the way there, but they could still improve things from here. Let's hope the next update sorts it (although we're still waiting for 2.73.405.5 to be officially released so who knows when the next one will be?)
Dave
Recently me and my friend got kicked out of the house and into the garage so our wives could talk freely... About us pretty much, and while normally we love getting away from them for a while I was wondering if an app could be made to turn on airplane mode (so the phone doesnt start making noise), activate the recorder (so they cant say I didnt say that) and reroute all noise picked up by the mic to the bluetooth headset (for instant gratification). And while some may say THIS IS AN INVASION OF PRIVACY! , I say they have an eavesdropping machine they sell on tv every day I see commercials for it all the time. Any one else interested in this?
Then make it so you can relay the camera to a computer so you can watch it also on your laptop. LOLOL
not a bad idea but real time uploading is hard to get in non 3g areas...lol, this can be done I just dont know how, wish I did.
Why not just install a voice recorder and listen back afterwards? That's already available.
Also, Bluetooth may not have the range for the headset to work properly.
I have voice recorder, I was thinking this could be used in a few different situations besides mine of course and its not life or death just giving an idea to a bored programmer. well my bluetooth actually works from 30 feet or about 22 with 2 walls in between, it gets crackly after that.
You know i alway wanted to make a program that could enable 2 devices to make video conferencing using Bluetooth, (main purpose was real time cheating in exams) Lol.
I started it as j2me learning project, .. but eventually dumbed it cuz i found that studying is much easier and less time consuming Lol.
Has anybody done a hands on video for the standard Phab 2. I am thinking about ordering it, but I would like to see it in action and hear what people think about it. There is not much out there yet about this one as it is being overshadowed by the Tango phone. Thanks for any info guys.
I have had mine for a few days and had lots of trouble so far. Not to say it is a bad phone, just hoping I received a bad one. Waiting on Lenovo to ship a replacement now.
'Timely'(clock/alarm) app doesn't work at all(force closes on opening) but it is most likely an issue with the app itself.
The Phone/Dialer app was buggy as well. It was showing all contacts on the contact page of the app, but search feature on contact page and T9 input on the dialing screen wouldn't bring up any information(just a blank screen) making me have to go into the contact screen and scroll down to whoever I wanted to get in touch with just to make a call. Then, the microphone wouldn't work when using the phone as a handset(hold up to head like a regular phone) but would work fine for Google("Okay Google") searches (or if connected to Bluetooth). A full, hard-reboot seems to have fixed the Phone/Dialer issues but it was annoying for a couple days.
It has a horrible WiFi(WLAN) battery drain issue as well. It has used as much battery as the screen has with the SOT of almost 3.5 hours. I mean, over 50% battery life left with 3.5hrs of SOT is not terrible, but I wonder how much better it could be...
The plastic back/case make noises intermittently(squeaky plastic-on-plastic noise) that is pretty annoying as well.
Hopefully the replacement phone will be better, if not, I'll return it and pay the difference for either the Plus or the Pro.
Gotta love that 14 day return policy...
So I went ahead and made the purchase too. My phone dialer would never pull up and would immediately force close even after reboots. I just downloaded a 3rd party dialer app and that works just fine. Today, the other bug hit me. My wife called and she could not hear me. I tried speaker phone and even hung up and called her back, but the microphone was not recognizing me during the call. This is an irritating bug, but it seems like it is just software. I also have an issue with turning the wifi on. If it is off, my phone will immediately turn it back off each time after I try to turn it on. The only way I can find to make it work is to turn it on directly after a reboot and then just leave it on. The only bug that is a big deal to me is the phone call issue. If that does not reoccur often, I can deal with the other issues since the phone was such a reasonable price.
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I have had mine for a few days and had lots of trouble so far. Not to say it is a bad phone, just hoping I received a bad one. Waiting on Lenovo to ship a replacement now.
'Timely'(clock/alarm) app doesn't work at all(force closes on opening) but it is most likely an issue with the app itself.
The Phone/Dialer app was buggy as well. It was showing all contacts on the contact page of the app, but search feature on contact page and T9 input on the dialing screen wouldn't bring up any information(just a blank screen) making me have to go into the contact screen and scroll down to whoever I wanted to get in touch with just to make a call. Then, the microphone wouldn't work when using the phone as a handset(hold up to head like a regular phone) but would work fine for Google("Okay Google") searches (or if connected to Bluetooth). A full, hard-reboot seems to have fixed the Phone/Dialer issues but it was annoying for a couple days.
It has a horrible WiFi(WLAN) battery drain issue as well. It has used as much battery as the screen has with the SOT of almost 3.5 hours. I mean, over 50% battery life left with 3.5hrs of SOT is not terrible, but I wonder how much better it could be...
The plastic back/case make noises intermittently(squeaky plastic-on-plastic noise) that is pretty annoying as well.
Hopefully the replacement phone will be better, if not, I'll return it and pay the difference for either the Plus or the Pro.
Gotta love that 14 day return policy...
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I have had mine for a few days and had lots of trouble so far. Not to say it is a bad phone, just hoping I received a bad one. Waiting on Lenovo to ship a replacement now.
'Timely'(clock/alarm) app doesn't work at all(force closes on opening) but it is most likely an issue with the app itself.
The Phone/Dialer app was buggy as well. It was showing all contacts on the contact page of the app, but search feature on contact page and T9 input on the dialing screen wouldn't bring up any information(just a blank screen) making me have to go into the contact screen and scroll down to whoever I wanted to get in touch with just to make a call. Then, the microphone wouldn't work when using the phone as a handset(hold up to head like a regular phone) but would work fine for Google("Okay Google") searches (or if connected to Bluetooth). A full, hard-reboot seems to have fixed the Phone/Dialer issues but it was annoying for a couple days.
It has a horrible WiFi(WLAN) battery drain issue as well. It has used as much battery as the screen has with the SOT of almost 3.5 hours. I mean, over 50% battery life left with 3.5hrs of SOT is not terrible, but I wonder how much better it could be...
The plastic back/case make noises intermittently(squeaky plastic-on-plastic noise) that is pretty annoying as well.
Hopefully the replacement phone will be better, if not, I'll return it and pay the difference for either the Plus or the Pro.
Gotta love that 14 day return policy...
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I just bought Lenovo Phab2. So far so good. No issues. Pretty smooth. You just got unlucky and got the bad one. I am trying root but cannot find any info.
Unfortunately my replacement device seems to have the same issues the original did in regards to the Phone App. No contact loading. I wiped and installed my Google account every different way I could think of(7-8 times...) but no luck. Sorry Lenovo, like I said, I really wanted to like this phone, but I feel there are a lot of kinks that need to be worked out. Good luck to those of you with the fortitude to rock this beast, but I'm out. Sent it back yesterday for a refund and ordered an Axon 7 that I'll be picking up later today.
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So I went ahead and made the purchase too. My phone dialer would never pull up and would immediately force close even after reboots. I just downloaded a 3rd party dialer app and that works just fine. Today, the other bug hit me. My wife called and she could not hear me. I tried speaker phone and even hung up and called her back, but the microphone was not recognizing me during the call. This is an irritating bug, but it seems like it is just software. I also have an issue with turning the wifi on. If it is off, my phone will immediately turn it back off each time after I try to turn it on. The only way I can find to make it work is to turn it on directly after a reboot and then just leave it on. The only bug that is a big deal to me is the phone call issue. If that does not reoccur often, I can deal with the other issues since the phone was such a reasonable price.
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I know it's a pain, but I would try a hard reboot/wipe. That's the only thing that worked for mine(the original anyway) as far as the mic goes. Hopefully you have better luck than I did.
Check, Check, 1, 2, 1,2 - Mic issue - Otherwise pretty good phone
I have mine since 12/6 (just under a week).
Likes: Big Screen. Quality screen. I'm coming from a 1080P display and it's a 720P, but I have to say, it's bright, colors are good. Very clear. Good for consuming media and as a remote terminal (for Citrix/RDS). 32 GB of internal storage. Reasonably responsive. Not much of a gamer.
Dis-Likes: Microphone disconnecting. Camera. Teflon-like slickness of case. MicroSD Card caddy - cannot read my card.
OK, after long, obsessive deliberation on my next new phone, I ended up with this phone. It was a long and winding road to end up a place I didn't expect to be. I was originally intent on purchasing the Zenfone 3 Ultra. But since the fine folks at Asus, didn't want to a put a radio on this model that would get 4G/LTE speeds (in the U.S.) AND being that I use my phone for hotspot and pay for the data bandwidth, I wanted the ability to realize that bandwidth when hotspotted in on a notebook. So, I decide on the Phab2 Pro, but purchasing through the portal seemed like "unavailable", "ships in 5 weeks", "ships in 3 weeks" etc......So, around Thanksgiving, as I'm checking in on the Pro, I see that the Phab 2 is available for $30 bucks off the pretty low $200. I think to myself "What if I'm only in love w/ the idea of a big phone and not the reality of a big phone?". My phone prior was the Moto X Pure (great value, love the phone) 5.7" display. Pretty big, but not this big. So, I figure, a buck 70? why not? If I don't like it, it can be a tablet/lifeboat for the next keg-tub diving non-waterproof phone incident where I need an emergency phone. Again, it can be a tablet on my sofa console.
So, I purchase it. It comes. The first thing I noticed was the slipperiness of the phone. It's a big phone, that I thought I'd be able to single hand (I'm 6'3" w/ ham hands, not-petite). I cannot. At the fear of breaking a new (though reasonably priced) toy, I heir on the side of cautious and I operate w/ both. So, I figure, I'll just "OK Google" dial and use earpods. I quickly find out (believe) that "OK Google" exacerbates a microphone issue. Not sure if the process being spawned has enough rights, holds on to the application, causes a memory leak, or what. But if you "OK Google" dial, it will (*may*) lead to the mic becoming unresponsive and playing the "I can't hear you game". I will be the first to admit that phones are phones anymore. They are computers that you can also make and receive phone calls from *BUT* the phone functionality is still a pretty necessary element of these handheld computers. So, hopefully Lenovo will get this sorted out in Nougat, or maybe they paid short shrift to bug squashing on Marshmallow knowing they were quickly going to Nougat. But the mic issue definitely not great.
I did some testing and found that I could reliabley place calls 10 times in a row (mic connected) manually, then 10 w/ google while it was unlocked, then 9 out of 10 w/ google dialing while phone was locked.
I followed this up w/ 40 manual dials where the mic was always connected. I was pretty sure the mic issue was related to OK Google (voice command), but then I let it sit overnight (last night), and found that w/o any OK Google, the mic disconnected on the phone. (That's why I'm thinking maybe memory leak, as OK Google might exacerbate the problem, not cause it). Reboot fixes this; but they need to get this squared away or it could create some negative buzz around an otherwise pretty nice little (ok, big) value phone.
Ok hello from India!!!! Got this phone today, screen is bright but in sunlight okkish,,call quality great,touch fabulous,slow dt2w,net wlan speed great,gets attentions, software can b better , lag sometimes or freezes very slightly, while commuting not handy cause size.
First Impressions...
I dropped my Xiaomi Note (5.7in), spider-webs appeared = I **HAD-TO** get a new phone. I decided to try a larger size. Impressed by the 3Gig RAM, the size, the capacity for expandable memory, the FM radio, the price, I bought the Phab2. The shop did not have a cover for this device, they advised me to go online. sigh... (that's how the spider-webs appeared in the first place... no cover!!!
The size takes some getting used to. Fits in my pockets ok. Camera = ok. Colors = ok. Calling and SMS = ok. Music reproduction = ok.
I. am. satisfied.
I have the Phab 2 (NOT the Phab 2 Plus - NOT the Phab 2 Pro) - bought in Prague, CZ.
-I had a problem to make GROUPS in my contact list. Android automatically added my contacts from my laptop Google Contact List. New folks that I added later to the phone could not be put into the newly created Group-List. What gives?
-A somewhat similar problem showed up when I attempted to make a Group-List of widgets / programs. Every morning when I switch on the phone, I have to re-organize the widgets & programs into groups AGAIN.
Is this a systemic problem? Am I doing the processes incorrectly? Can we add this to the list of known bugs?
LeePa
Love the phone, but can not get phone to work on voLTE. Anyone?
working 4 me but model is pb 650 m
works on 650 m model
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works on 650 m model
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Yeah mine is PB2-650Y
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How did you set voLTE on 650m. Mine switches backs to 3G when I make calls?
settings
Nothing special.
Settings
Mobile networks.
ENHANCED networks.
Just enabled it.thats it
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See got update 1.4 gb approx
Got update today,,,
Now volte iß fixed , whichwas disappeared in previous update
Does this support OTG? and is it upgradable to android nougat?
Otg = yes.
Nought = no