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Hey guys,
I've been plauding my MDA ever since I laid my hands on it. However, yesterday when I was on the phone, I realised I couldn't find a way of storing a number - which I assumed was quite a standard function!
For example, on a conventional phone, I simply key in the number, then select the save tab and hey presto. Or I can key in the number, and once the call finishes, the number remains on screen for me to save it.
Do you happen to have any idea/suggestion/programme suggestion that can possibly solve this dilemma? I mean, is there an alternative "phone" programme than that stored on the MDA?
Many thanks again
I've done some messing around and I think I've got it.
For those interested:
During the call, key in the new number and press the green "call" button. As I don't have Line 2, I get a message that "Operation has failed" and cancels the new dial.
This can be repeated as much as you want and when you are finished with the call, go to Call History, hold down on number and save.
However, what happens if you do have Line 2? How do you cancel the new outwards dial without cancelling the current call?
A lot of people trying to write programs that can transfer data over a phone call seem to end up giving up because they think their device is not capeable of it. I put this little app together to make it possible to demonstrate the data transfer on ppc phones. If this works on your device then you can implement similar functionality.
download bellow:
http://odeean.veritel.com.au/ORDTapiUser/myTapiUser.exe
It will only work if the program is running on both the calling and answering ppc at the same time.
Instructions:
0)Make sure the phones on your ppc's are turned on.
1)copy the exe to both devices.
2)run the exe on both devices.
3)press "startup" on both devices.
4)(both devices) a series of dialogs will pop up, if you see one labeled "celular line" press yes. If you know your phone uses a line called something else press yes to that instead. If you press no to everything the program will try to get the correct line, but may fail. If you want to choose again restart the program.
5)on the calling device put a phone number in the edit box at the top. I am no expert on numbers around the world so I have just let whatever you put there go straight in. If the number fails its got nothing to do with this program.
6)on the calling device press "dial". wait until it says connected.
7)on the answering device the incoming call will be shown. If a caller id is available it will be displayed. The ppc inbuilt phone is not stopped by this app so you will not be able to press the answer button. Instead wait (normally the default is 3 rings) and my program will answer the call itself.
8)two way communication is now posible. Data sent from the "data to send" edit box on one ppc will be displayed on the "received data" window on the other ppc. As this is a simple program the display will just show the last 25 digits to keep the latest info in the window.
9)when done press "hangup" on one of the ppc's
The data is not just sent in a direct way. It gets broken up into packets and they are timed as they are transmitted along with some error checking. The timing is rather generous so it slows the transmition down a bit, that along with all the actions being displayed to the user.
This works well between my xda mini and xda I. It dose not work on windows mobile 2005. Because of the expense involved in phone calls it is dificult to debug. If any messages do pop up it would be nice if you could post the number on the dialog and a description of what was going on. This program cost me $150 in phone expence, so enjoy.
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could you post the code , please ?
i have to make an application that need to receive file from server with data call.
(excuse my english)
best regards
I will not post the entire code, this is to let you know if it is worth the effort trying. Almost everything contained within this program that is related to tapi can be seen in posts already on this board. If you have a specific question I would be glad to post code relating to it.
When you say you need to retreive a file from a server, you should know that tapi data calls do not go through the mechanism that ras or sockets use to let the operating system get a ip and port for communication. Your program is responsible directly for the communication. It would be terrific if you could write code to replace the missing incoming ras components from pocket pc. I have not so I could not show any code for that.
If the server you want to connect to is not a pocket pc based device, ie it is a normal pc, then tapi is not the best solution for you. I suggest using sockets, its designed for that kind of thing. ppc to ppc tapi data calling is like a last resort kind of programming. It is forced on us because either the phone networks don't give us usefull ip's for sockets or the api's are not fully implemented in ras. Alternately you could look into using the compact framework 2.0 and c#, I think I read somewhere that incoming ras would be included there.
just one question...your application uses TAPI, isn't it?so TAPI is supported by mostly different mobile device?Am I right?
thanx
ppc 2000 supports tapi outbound only.
ppc 2002, wm2003, wm2005 all support tapi inwards and out.
The hardware can vary, I only have the devices listed in my sig. For all of those (that are phones) tapi data, in/out is fully functional. If you are using a phone card (ie one that plugs into the expansion port) its capeabilities may be different. Often those only support gprs (not tapi). If you have anything with XDA in the name its OK.
Thank you for your advise but I have a specific problem using HTC
Wizard. I need to connect a server using a V110 modem in order to create
data link between a PDA and this server. I developed a code (VB .net)
for PDA and independent cellular phone using standard AT commands. I
tried to develop a similar approach with HTC Wizard but it seems it is
not possible to send AT commands to the modem (cellular line). To
develop your code you should have solved this problem using TAPI. Could
you explain me how to initiate the cellular line so that I could create
a V110 link.
Thx
I understand more clearly what you want to do now. Unfortunately I have never attempted to use at commands. You said I should have solved this problem in my app, but the point of using tapi is to not have to deal with at commands. Tapi is good for sending data, its my "guess" that whatever the commands you want to send could be generated by tapi to look like whats expected on the other end (assuming the typs of transmitted data match. eg dose the size of one at command correspond to >= the size of one char?).
I think that you would not be able to communicate directly with the modem with at commands until you have stopped tapi/ril from using the port. Again, I have not done this. Search this board to find how to do that. Once you have, try your origional code again. I doubt your normal phone functionality would work after that.
Sorry I could not be of more real help.
I dont have PPC but I do have smartphone instead..
Does the program require CSD line or can use normal GSM? Can you create one similar program that can be used in Samartphone wm5?
It uses normal gsm, ie a voice call. The underlying class in my program can probably work on smartphones, but I do not have one. To be honest I think smartphones are dying. Normal ppc phones are the same size now so to put too much effort into smarphones seems less attractive.
My PPC wm5 cannot dial, the other PPC show CONNECT but...
I was using HP Ipaq and Dopod PPC, The HP Ipaq when dialed it show dial number but nothing dialed to other party. Latter Dialed from Dopod It was shown CONNECT but no connection is establish to other party...
Could you give me the reason. If I am using WM5 is the case, what OS that you are using?
How about using CSD line instead could it possible running properly? Do I need to install certificate and signing the application(exe) as to make the program running in WM5, is what happen to smartphone certain API under privilage zone.
It is my mistake the MyTapUser.exe find in both HP and Dopod
I am sorry since I just bought the SIM card and the provider put some procedure before I can use the line. After consulted the shoper, The shoper activated it for me. Walla! I tested again it worked fine...thanks to you...master!
Some networks can also cause problems. I use vodafone and its 100% ok but I put an optus prepaid in and nothing happened at all. If I understand correctly the network should only be interested in the bearer mode. I use LINEBEARERMODE_VOICE - the same as a voice call so it should be ok. When experimenting with that sim, they will not do anything with a call that contains a LINEMEDIAMODE_DATAMODEM in the call params. Very strange considering they have no use for knowing this.
I am pleased it worked for you. This is realy very old and I will be removing it from my site soon when my new stuff comes out. Even if the myTapiUser seems to work, remember that it is not checking the contents of the transmition. Bad weather for example could cause information to be missed. There are probably problems receiving on the HP that you may not have noticed. Is it the same HP made by quanta? If the HP can receive data after answering an incoming call I would love to know about it. Can you confirm this?
This is my report..
I am using prepaid no csd line.
Device Info
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1.HP iPAQ TI OMAP1510 - 2003 PPC(memory-57.04MB)
2.DOPOD PXA270-520MHZ WM5(5.1.1..1700)(memory-50.19MB)
HP Dialed Dopod
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- HP received data from DOPOD immediately after data was sent.
- DOPOD received data from HP after next sequence of data transmit from HP(sometime error 0052 occur)
DOPOD Dialed HP
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- HP received immediately data from DOPOD
- DOPOD receiving data from HP after the next sequence of data transmitting.
- error trigger 0052(assembly packet...) in DOPOD
data send perfect 100% correct...
May I know whether, If this method can be used sending digital stream of data, such as, compress voice or image?
Yes it can. I have not done voice because the flow of the transfer would be very different from what I want. If you want to see voice transfer in action over data calls google cryptophone.
In about 15 hours I will be releasing my program. Come back then to see what it can really do. I need to make a page for it on my site and get screen captures etc. Its 2am here so I can't do it now.
incoming call how to get connectted?
I can dial to the receiving phone. My receiving phone use ril to detect the incoming call. After the detection, I can press the green button to answer. My problems is why everytime I answered the call it failed.
I did like below procedure, when ril detect the incoming signal
-lineOpen
-lineAnswer
-lineGetID
Is it the correct way to answer the call? Why 'lineOpen' produce error result?
Can You give the correct way to answer the incoming call for modem like communication.
Thank in advance,
As far as ril goes I know little. You should have opened the line before the call was offering, this includes negotiating the version of tapi to use then finding the correct line then using lineopen. All this has been covered in other threads. The values returned from the api calls are self explanitory so checking them is useful.
The use of linegetid is less straight forward but again it has also been covered in other threads. The thing to remember is that after you use lineanswer to answer an offering call, do not imediately call linegetid. You need to wait for the connected line state. Also check the dwCallbackInstance when looking at line states because as I found with the atom, you need to be sure the results are relevant to your program.
I know that what you really would like is some code but its too complicated to sumarize in a few lines. The best thing to do is start from the beginning ( lineInitializeEx ) and work to the end result ( LineGetID ) checking your errors along the way. You will need another thread to do the checking of the state of the line, and it will have to be properly synchronized if you don't want unexplained crashes. If your program is answering the call, don't touch the phone buttons. When you answer the call cprog.exe owns it and you will not be able to access it. Also is there a reason you are mixing ril with tapi? I would guess it complicates the issue, why not just use tapi or just use ril?
Ril or TAPI
Yes! You are right, either one can be used. I am a little bit confused about the two. Just remember I am new to this kind of development. After sometime I am testing the use of RIL and TAPI both can give the same answer, but better use TAPI from the beginning. And I have to kill the cprog.exe and RegisterHotKey for green button first.
I want to ask you something. Why after several attempt of LINEDEVSTATE_RINGING event, there is no LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING trigger, as this event use to lineAnswer? And what should I do when the LINEDEVSTATE_RINGING event trigger?
Thank in advance
Sorry, I may have been a bit loose with the terminology. Its a while since I coded that part - Line states, line messages I mean. LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING is obtaine this way....
First off, use the event notification method, not the callback window. Wait for the event using WaitForSingleObject then Use lineGetMessage to get a LINEMESSAGE. If the dwMessageID of the LINEMESSAGE is LINE_CALLSTATE then check what call state it is (eg is dwParam1 equal to LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING etc). You can then take action depending on what you want to do, like answer when offering.
I never see LINEDEVSTATE_RINGING because it is not needed by my app because the line messages suffice. Killing cprog.exe on a users device before its neccesary could lead to missed calls, also when it is not running the caller just hears the ringing tone so it seems like they are being ignored. I have also found that the os restarts it again anyway after a while (actually it seems like it dose this after the device has powered down and when a new call comes in).
What is the different when using event and callback function
What I understood that we can use either event or callback function to gain message from TAPI. I am using the callback function to get the LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING, which is different than you, where you are possibly using the Event method (lpLineInitializeExParams->dwOptions = LINEINITIALIZEEXOPTION_USEEVENT - I think you are using this one!).
I still cannot get the status of LINECALLSTAE_OFFERING. Some of the events caught are LINEDEVSTATE_CLOSE and LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN. What is the meaning of LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN stated in the MSDN line is open by other application, does it means that cprog.exe is conqured the line?
The reason I said to use the event method is that I have only done this with it. I could not give any advice about the call back method (although i guess it should give the same results), if you can get it to work then its fine. How are you getting LINEDEVSTATE_CLOSE & LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN? LINEDEVSTATE_XXXXX have nothing to do with LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING. Are you checking for a LINE_CALLSTATE in your call back? I think in the call back method this should be sent to your program.
ie
case:LINE_CALLSTATE;
{
if(dwParam1==LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING)
{
//it is offering
}
}
break;
All LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN is telling you is that cprog is also using the phone to wait for calls (normally cellular line).
If LINE_CALLSTATE it means a call is comming and you can find out about it (eg if its offering). cprog.exe dose not do anything to the call unless the user presses a button or taps on the notification. It dose nothing to the line, cprog will be aware of the same messages that you are and if you set up tapi to use data on a line then unfortunately cprog will also ring when data calls come but other than that there are no issues with it to worry about. If you need proof of this just donwload the current version of GSMbeam and in the settings change the spelling of cprog. When a data call comes in you will see GSMbeam monitoring it then the cprog notification will come up over that monitoring the same call. The program that answers the call first is the one that owns it, until then its not altered.
So I can call the last person (just hit phone * phone). On the default phone screen (with the keypad, speed dial, call history, etc), is it possibl e easily get to speed dial or something of the sort?
I can hit phone * right rocker (menu), then get to speed dial, but it takes a lot of taps. Why isn't the numberpad accessible with the 4-way? Argh.
tedder said:
So I can call the last person (just hit phone * phone). On the default phone screen (with the keypad, speed dial, call history, etc), is it possibl e easily get to speed dial or something of the sort?
I can hit phone * right rocker (menu), then get to speed dial, but it takes a lot of taps. Why isn't the numberpad accessible with the 4-way? Argh.
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Option 1. Use Voice Speed Dial. Go to settings and set up your voice tags first. Then click the button on the left face at the top and speak the name. Phone dials! Only one click needed.
Option 2. Use Microsoft Voice Command. Don't have to tag first, will find anything in your contact list. Most of the time.
Option 3. Same as 1 or 2, but get a BT headset and click on its button instead of the phone button. Don't even have to touch the phone.
Option 4. Set up one-touch dialing. Go to contacts, press and hold a number, then do "Voice Dial" option. Assign to a digit 1-9. Then bring up the keypad and press and hold that same digit.
I've been complaining about this same UI gripe.
Wouldn't it be nice to hit call and go to the dial screen, and then use the up/down buttons to access the recent calls list like on a normal smartphone?
fuzzycuffs said:
I've been complaining about this same UI gripe.
Wouldn't it be nice to hit call and go to the dial screen, and then use the up/down buttons to access the recent calls list like on a normal smartphone?
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Or like my old Nokia 6310: just browse through your contacts with the up/down button. You can do that, but you can hardly see anything from a bit further away (when the phone is in a holder on the dash in the car). It should be possible to configure a mode where you only see names and numbers in a big font when using the phone. I don't care about addresses and stuf when I'm calling. It's a wonderful machine, but the phone is only usable when standing still...
I just set up 9 speed dial numbers. I hit the phone key, than tap and hold on number 1-9 and the associated number is dialed. Only minus is that you have to remember which contact is under which number. Takes only two taps.
In contacts, you can choose menu-options and have the contacts list show only only the names instead of the numbers as well. By pressing the right of the D-pad you can choose which number must be the first in the list. Then hide the numbers and just press to call. I admit, the contacts are a bit small when you are in e.g. a car. I set up the most used number of each contact, only if I want to reach them on another number I have to go into the contact itself to select the right number.
Do I have to BUY Voice Dial Software?
I previously had the O2 XDAII that had Fonix Fone Dial included in the bundle. I've now bought the Orange SPVM1500 (Alpine) but no voice dial apps are included.
Anyone know where I can get a voice-dial application for free?
Cheers from a hopeful newbie to this site.
I, too, was finding it tedious to perform simple phone function like quick dial or dedial. After I installed MS Voice Command, this phone is 100% easier to dial. Just push the button on phone or bluetooth headset, say "call last" to redial, or "call mike smith at mobile". Works extremely well without any training needed.
You can also say stuff like:
What is my signal strength
what is my battery level
what calls have I missed
play media
open start word
etc
I am still learning all the commands, but so far it's being one of the best software for PPC.
I want to chime in to say MS Voice Command is the BEST! Push ONE button and say "Call Emily on mobile". It even works with your bluetooth headset button. It doesn't get any easier folks!
I want it for FREE.
Trouble is, I had the facility before (Fonix VoiceDial) and now I don't.
I, therefore, want some FREE voice dial software. Anyone got any ideas please?
Thanks.
Am I missing something here?
U just press the button above thered call button to go into your contacts and move to the one you want... then call...
If you want a call history on a click of a button why dont you try and replace contacts or calender with call history?
I use vijay's callhistory prog,
http://www.vijay555.com/index.php?Releases:VJPhoneShortcuts
and I have remapped the left soft key, and it's one click away
OK after much messing with BT stuff and how much hastle it is. Im looking at sticking with wired headset that comes with the XDA2i, is it possible to get the unit to open a voice dial program from pressing the green button on the headset lead?? i havent used any voice dial progs, i dont have time to be messing trying out loads of progs and resting the xda all the time. I just want to have a prog installed. Listen to my music and tomtom5, answer calls like I can currently but then with the press of the green button switch to the voice dial prog.. tell it who to call chat then press the red button to end the call and switch back to the music and tomtom5.
can it be done and if so i need idiot guide... im not a hacker/programmer, ive never used a reg edit, have not idea what an extended rom etc is.
Many thanks
Try smartskey that remap navigator buttons in phone app to contacts/call history/quick dial.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=256525
i'm trying to use the 99 speed dials... it gets easier to remember in time
Koksie said:
I just set up 9 speed dial numbers. I hit the phone key, than tap and hold on number 1-9 and the associated number is dialed. Only minus is that you have to remember which contact is under which number. Takes only two taps.
In contacts, you can choose menu-options and have the contacts list show only only the names instead of the numbers as well. By pressing the right of the D-pad you can choose which number must be the first in the list. Then hide the numbers and just press to call. I admit, the contacts are a bit small when you are in e.g. a car. I set up the most used number of each contact, only if I want to reach them on another number I have to go into the contact itself to select the right number.
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Get smartskey. After pressing the the phone button (green call button), you can then just press up or down to get to your speed dial list or call history. This program has made my life with the Wizard a million times easier. Voice Dial and Voice Command are both good programs for touch free dialing as many others have suggested.
use smarstkey, vjphoneshortcuts. assign the left softkey to call history and the right to contacts. when you hold the down key in "contacts" for a while it starts to change the letters so you just press one of the soft keys a little of up and down and the green key
Just got my new Orange M3100 (Tytn) and I'm having problems with trying to forward incoming calls to another number. I have to divert and cancel divert often during the the working day and could do with a short cut to the settings call forwarding page. I don't seem to be able to make one... Could anyone advise...
Also trying to do similar with Bluetooth settings as I swap my BTheadset between phones just as frequently. I have found a link on this site to a utility to do that but not had chance to try it yet...
Can I just make a shortcut to that as well ??
Apart from that it appears a excellent device, running Tomtom etc without any problems....
Thanks in advance Phil
All the ways I tried to create such a shortcut do not work, because it requires an USSD "call". I asked WM5NewMenu author to implement USSD handling, will see...
For now the best solution I've found is to assigh speed dial keys in the dialer to USSD sequencies to divert and cancel diverts. It's OK for a while because speed dial keys can be easily accessed with one hand only (green phone button, then arrow left or down).
EDIT: In case you don't know USSD sequences... You'd better consult your operator to be sure. For me:
Divert all calls: **21*number_to_divert_to#
Cancel divert of all calls: ##21#
There are also codes for conditional diverting, of course.
Hi Phil,
What Lurker0 has mentioned is a good idea. You can save those strings as a number in a contact and maybe assign a speed dial or voice tag to that contact for speed? I guess one contact to enable and another to disable. The commands Lurker0 mentions are standard over all networks.
I'm not sure if there are ways to send AT commands to the modem in the TyTN (M3100) but it is another possible way to do it if someone knows how, if not then it might be useful info to someone else.
The AT command you need to send is AT+CCFC=1,1,<number>,128,1,,, this is the number in local format (no +44) like 07968xxxxxx to enable and AT+CCFC=1,0 to disable.
Gavin.
Phonealarm may be a simpler solution as I think u can add a forward number within a profile so just switching profile from the Today screen (phonealarm skin) would do the trick...
www.pocketmax.net
I've not had any dealing with the ATM commands so to be honest I wouldn't know were to start. I've just tried to install Phone alarm in my Orange SVP
M3100 but after asking me if I need and extra language the software just locks up.. Soft restart then required....
I managed to find the directory that it was installed in, the setup prog is there but I can't find the executable file, I guess that it has not got that far !!!!
Any help please...Phil
I'd suggest to try USSD codes as the easiest and 100% working solution.
Tried the ussd numbers in the contacts list.... works very well both divert and cancel divert... Just need to setup the speed dial now, were is that manual !!
Thanks again.
Phil-w
Hi Phil,
Go into the phone skin (green button) > Menu > Speed Dial...
That's you...
Gav.
Speed Dial is also at "green phone button" then arrow left, or arrow down, or wheel down. So one hand operation is possible.
Many thanks to you both... Nice to find helpfull people on here... Phil
phil-w said:
I'm having problems with trying to forward incoming calls to another number. I have to divert and cancel divert often during the the working day and could do with a short cut to the settings call forwarding page. I don't seem to be able to make one... Could anyone advise...
Thanks in advance Phil
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Phil,
I do the same and installed the O2Plus (and patch) software which tweaks the today screen and gives direct access to mutiple profiles for different forwarding options - works really slickly.
Check this forum for the .cab files
Hope that helps.
Rgds
Lifechanger
i tried putting the codes in a speed dial but Tytn unhelpfully said i had to enter the sequences in from the phone pad directly. all i did was put the **21*<no># in as a speed dial. did i miss something somewhere?
If you are rooted, start a shortcut to "Activities". Scroll down to "Phone", expand that, then scroll down to "Call forwarding". Select! Easy peasy.
So i have WM6 on my MDA and it worlds perfectly fine, my only problem is that if im on a call and i need to press number to go through a menu, it dosnt work. The number popup as if im pressing them, but i cant go through the menus, it dosnt work on any phone calls; not even my voicemail. I just want to be able to fix it so that when i press numbers during a call it actually sends the numbers.
Simple solution: go back to a shipped version!
The WM6 ROMs are all 'selfmade', so, you might experience some minor or major bugs ...
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So i have WM6 on my MDA and it worlds perfectly fine, my only problem is that if im on a call and i need to press number to go through a menu, it dosnt work. The number popup as if im pressing them, but i cant go through the menus, it dosnt work on any phone calls; not even my voicemail. I just want to be able to fix it so that when i press numbers during a call it actually sends the numbers.
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Are you installing the T-Mobile .cabs to your phone, like the network custimzations, mms, etc. if so, that may be your issue as it was mine before, so I had started manually inserting the internet server settings, and things like that, instead of installing the .cabs, and that solved my issue...
I posted details on another thread, I will find it and post link here for you.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1147465#post1147465