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Advice needed: Moving from XDA II to JAM

As I'm giving up from getting my Xda II up to the task of BT Syncing AND BT handsfree, I ordered an i-mate Jam from Expansys.
As my order is on backlog due to lack of stock (more than 3 weeks now) I'm having time to wonder about my "incoming" new toy.
So I have a few questions for the more "JAM" experience users:
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1.- Is BT operational with HandsFree devices? I mean carkits and the like.
2.- Is the BT stack having problems to ActiveSync with Win XP SP2?
3.- Any rumours about the new 2005 version? When will I-mate ship it?
4.- Are the most recent units coming with the flaws fixed? I read about bad sound, blurry pictures, a patched radio protocol, etc.
5.- Is any application known by not running on the JAM?
Thanks for commenting, I'll post my findings when my unit arrives.
BTW does anyone need a perfectly working XDAII?
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No help?
Ok, Should I admit there are not any problems around? Is anyone out there moved from XDA-II willing to help?
Thanks.
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Great Move.
I changed my XDAII for a Jam and I'm extremely happy :lol:
No sound issues also bluetooth headset Motorola 810 connects fine. Camera is not too good but I guess thats the only flaw.

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zedeff said:
I changed my XDAII for a Jam and I'm extremely happy :lol:
No sound issues also bluetooth headset Motorola 810 connects fine. Camera is not too good but I guess thats the only flaw.
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Hi zedeff! Thanks for info!
Just wondering: Is anyone using a BT carkit? Since this is a common problem with XDA II, I'm a bit worried about.
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considering a switch
i'm quite happy with my xdaII except that i find it bulky.. i'm seriously thinking of getting the xdaII mini (aka magician). any comments? bad reviews? suggestions?
btw, i'm looking for a fair market where i can sell my xdaII here in manila in case i do decide to buy the mini. any ideas? :wink:

Me too!
I'm also considering moving from the XDA2. My XDA2 has been great although not without one or two issues (getting BT working with a GPS receiver - not for the newbies!). I was considering the XDA2s and XDA2i but have read about issues with both. Now the XDA2 mini looks fantastic as I often wish I had a smaller phone without sacrificing the features. Has anyone else taken the plunge?

Confused - Imate JAMin

Was reading through another forum today and someone was asking about the O2 Atom and I-Mate JAMin. I knew about the atom but hadn't heard anything about the JAMin :shock:
Thought I'd do a search on the trusty xda-developers forum and found it actually comes under the Prophet group :? why??? isn't it just the replacement of the Jam as the Atom is to the mini??
Anyway looks like some research ahead me!
marto

No....the Atom is not even made by HTC.
Strictly speaking, the Charmer replaces the Magician, the Prophet is something else. Various providers seem to have done different things though. T-Mobile brought out the Comact-II which is a Charmer. O2 brough out the Atom, I-Mate brought out the Jamin (Prophet) Orange have brought out the M600 (also a Prophet) etc etc etc.
Each has replaced their variations on the Magician in thier own way.

WOW thats certainly a handfull, thanks TheBrit
Explains why I haven't seen any comparisions as there in two different threads areas. :?
Although I haven't had a chance to fully read up on both it appears the Atom has major phone issues like echo, etc. and the JAMin has had multi ROM updates suggesting there are ongoing issues they are concerned about.... :shock:
Anyone got any -/+ feedback on these puppies?
marto

marto_martin said:
WOW thats certainly a handfull, thanks TheBrit
Explains why I haven't seen any comparisions as there in two different threads areas. :?
Although I haven't had a chance to fully read up on both it appears the Atom has major phone issues like echo, etc. and the JAMin has had multi ROM updates suggesting there are ongoing issues they are concerned about.... :shock:
Anyone got any -/+ feedback on these puppies?
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I checked out the Atom in a store recently and did not like it. The very shiny case was literally covered in fingerprints, and the screen image seemed washed out (contrast too high) and the image did not use up all of the space. In short, I was disappointed.
I'm hoping to check out the JAMin tomorrow (in a store in Sydney), and have heard that the latest ROM really brings the device up to speed at last. Note that the Atom has an Intel processor and the JAMin a TI OMAP processor, so they really are different gadgets.

Hi Peter,
Thanks for that The info I'm finding on the 2 units certainly supports your comments.
I look forward to hearing how your adventures go with the JAMin, I haven't found any stockests in Perth yet (like there's a surprise ).
marto

JAMin the Atom
In short, bought an Atom, great speakers, A2DP, and that is about it. Bluetooth weak, no voice dial through headset, no external aerial (the latter killed it for me as I am often in weak radio areas). Shiny case looks good, but don't pick it up without gloves. Now on third ROM. It is stable however, but camera is crap!
Bought JAMin. Even though JAMin is 195Mhz and Atom is 416MHz, hardly any difference. JAMin has great Bluetooth (no A2DP though Grrr), Voice dials, and soft keys make 1 handed operation possible. Screens about the same, Camera slightly better.
If you can live without FM radio and dual speakers, go JAMin and pocket $200.
Cheers.

is it still worth to buy Win2003 Magician ?

hello guyz,
This is my first post here. I have a couple of questions from experienced PPC users . Please respond as early as possible. Thanks in Advance.
1) I am getting a very good deal for Magician(i-mate JAM). But i am confused wether to buy it or not. Is it still a good idea to buy a WM2003 PPC device OR should i wait for WM5 PPC devices to become cheaper. ( i might have to wait around1 year which is a loooong time... )
2) Are people still writing softwares for PPC WM2003 devices? or the majority has moved to writing softwares for WM5 ?
3) Right now which windows have more softwares available. WM2003 or WM5?
4) If i purchase softwares written for WM2003, will these softwares run on PPC WM5 device?
5) Finally i need some nice websites for free or paid softwares for PPC. ( you can PM me if you are not allowed to post websites links here)

The magician is a great device and, if you don't need integrated Wifi, still the best compact PPC you can get.
WM2003 in general has some advantages over WM5: It is usually faster and has less bugs. WM5 only offers better one hand use and no data loss when battery is down. The latter can be compensated for WM2003 with using good backup software (sprite backup) and the internal backup battery of the magician. I never had data loss because of this.
Get the magician for a good price. You won't regret. Really advanced devices are still to come. Maybe the Hermes will beat the Magician but it will definitely be more expensive at that time.
Regarding the software question: I haven't seen any software which only works on WM5 and not WM2003 but I have seen many softwares not supporting WM5 yet but WM2003. Most softwares are even still backwards compatible to WM2002. You can compare this to the desktop world. Most programs can still be run under Windows 98.

I recommend to get the imate Jam with 128Mb RAM if possible
Get the imate JAM if you do not have a wi-fi network at home

I fully agree Dandie's comment. I tried my friend's O2 Atom for a week (he need me to install softwares for him) and I still prefer my Magician as my working/entertaining machine.
Pro: Cheaper, more responsive and faster (media will have jitter sometime on the Atom if running GPS together), more softwares are available to 2003SE than WM5
Con: No wifi (not a problem to me since I can BT over Activesyn at home), Bad Camera.
Unless there is a very good deal. I never see the need to upgrade to 128mb if U know how to manage the RAM use. (I always run TomTom 5/IGuidance 2/TCPMP together without any problem.)

Unfortunately WM5 is the way of the future, but it's unlikely you'll encounter software that won't work on WM5 and WM2003 (since both can use .net, the "new" developers environment).
I still use my Magician as my main phone, although I'm upgrading in a few weeks and it'll have to be a WM5 phone, probably a Mio 702. WM5 adds some usability features, but not enough to turn my head IMHO.
If you're getting a good deal on a Magician, I'd certainly consider it. I'll be holding on to mine for a good while yet.
Oh, and I recommend using VJLumos II. It really brightens up the Magician screen, gives it a new lease of life.
V

I agree with V the magician still is a wonderful device & when you don't want to wait for the devices that sports hsdpa you can have loads of fun with it.
Like stated earlier TCPMP for video, Mortplayer for audio. Lots of games & other goodies. AEButton Plus for one-handed in combi wit ... VJKeyPress.
Make sure you got a good deal & enjoy it.
M

WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
Personally, I'd go for a Wizard (or even a Hermes <3 ). It's only a bit bigger, but has WM5, WiFi /and/ a keyboard. Now, if only Orange carried it in the UK... >.<

I've got a Wizard. It's the 3rd one in 5 months and it locks up nearly every day but a soft reset sorts it out and it fails to recognise the memory card 2-4 times a day (a known wizard issue) If you dont need the wi-fi stick with the Jam NEVER had a problem with mine. As for the wizards keyboard..I use the on screen one it's quicker.
For stereo headphones with mic try the SE P900/910 headphones they work brilliantly!

bobgorila said:
WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
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Maybe just the O2 Atom and my stereo headset, the quality of BT A2DP is just a joke for me.
bobgorila said:
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
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It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

Mine can be bought here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9725172095
I upgraded to the Prophet. 8)
This is the second listing on eBay. The first one got hit by a nigerian scammer. :roll: Now I've had to specify UK only and PayPal only.

thank you for your comments guyz
i have bought the magician device. So far i am pretty happy with it.

Join the club, did you got a nice offer?
M

i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )

Seems like a fair price to me. Did you search the other threads for goodies & tips?
M

Both magician and mini are great device.
Wifi? sandick sdio wifi card with 256m storage is available in a reasonable price now. BT & MINI CABLE could bring with most functions you need.
In my point of view, never try detailed camera in PDA.
So, congradulation you with a desirable product.

navid_ahmed said:
i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )
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where did u get it so cheap......i bought it for 24000rs with no accessory

jackleung said:
It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
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Mine arrived this morning, it works, it works!!!
Thankyou.

MDA compact II (uk?) Bluetooth Headphones

Has anyone one on here got one of these?
I've gone full circle from the jam->Wizard->Universal and then got myself a simple phone that i've had the last few months due to work. Now, out of all three of those phones, the jam for me had the best form factor and feel out of them all, wizard was too fat and plasticy.
Anyway, just seen on t-mobile uk site the compact II, my main questions is, does anyone know if any bluetooth headphones will work for this for music? not sure of the BT stack etc etc on this device (HTC charmer?). So if anyones got the same device with Bluetooth headphones working let me know!!
Also if anyone has them working *well* on the jam let me know! What mode of headphones etc etc
thanks all

I'm not sure about this because a friend has one and it has the original WM5 release on it (i.e. not AKU2) and that's known not to support A2DP (the BT profile for stereo headphones) but what I don't know is if T-Mobile have now started shipping the Compct II with AKU2.
Maybe someone knows different, please tell.
For an explanation of what AKU2 is, look in the Wizard and Prophet forums.

cheers,failing that not sure wich device to go for....need it to work with some BT headphones!!
i've red this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33532&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=675
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what's your m600 like paul? I presume this will have A2DP etc? reason i ask is t-mobile are doing the compact 2 for free with co pilot nav and gps receiver + unlimited data usage for £27.50 a month, so i'm very tempted, only problem being i don't know if it will work with BT headphones! Failing this i might go for the exec (again) as i'm sure that'll work!! Just the deal is so good it's almost rude to say no!

I've got the mdac2 and think it's great. I've updated it with the T-mobile AKU2 update which works fine, giving push email.
I haven't tried any BT headphones but have read that once you have the AKU2 update there is a way of enabling A2DP by adding drivers or something like that. I think it was regarding the Wizard but much of the Wizard system is the same as the Charmer.

if anyone can confirm that there is a cab.file or something like that with a2dp on then i'll be going for this i think then!! is your aku2 rom a tmobile one?

yes. it's from the official t-mobile download site. was made available in June.

great cheers, they may be shipping with this rom now so best check. Now all i need to find out is if the a2dp file that people use on the wizard will work on this!

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what's your m600 like paul? I presume this will have A2DP etc? reason i ask is t-mobile are doing the compact 2 for free with co pilot nav and gps receiver + unlimited data usage for £27.50 a month, so i'm very tempted, only problem being i don't know if it will work with BT headphones! Failing this i might go for the exec (again) as i'm sure that'll work!! Just the deal is so good it's almost rude to say no!
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The M600 is great and yes, it has AKU2. I have not tried BT headphones but if you look in the prophet forum there will be people there who have.
The T-Mobile deal is a good one - that's the deal my co-worker has taken and he's really happy with it.

jaythemagician said:
great cheers, they may be shipping with this rom now so best check. Now all i need to find out is if the a2dp file that people use on the wizard will work on this!
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Yes it does support a2dp and the cab file is available somewhere on this forum you will have to do a search, sorry im not a regular so it will be difficult for me to find anything however I have a mda compact ii and the a2dp works! Should go for the offer, i also have the co-pilot 6 which youve mentioned and its a great deal.
All the best

Support for BH800

Anyone know why the Cingular 8525 doesn't currently support the Nokia BH800 bluetooth headset, and when there may be a software update that will fix this?
Is this a problem with all versions of this phone, or just the Cingular one?

i also have the Nokia BH800 (cute headset) and it doesnt wrk properly with my jasjam. The mic is really low, sound is really low, doesnt support handsfree profile (only headset). It is quite strange because on my wife's nokia n73 it works like a charm with all the profiles and redirects all sound to it, even with tomtom nav 6 on her mobile.
Dont know how to help you as I am in the same boat. anyone else have the BH800?

I have the BH800- works absolutely fine with my TyTn using the latest firmware (on the Tytn, not the headset!).

Do we know that the Cingular 8525 will not work with the BH-800 by experience or by heresay??
I had the TyTn for a brief period of time, trialed the JasJam, and now have the 8525 -- thus far the 8525 has proved to have the most stable firmware, better radio, etc. so I can't imagine the Bluetooth being behind.

I just received my 8525 from premiere and it came with a small flyer that reads
The Nokia BH800 and Motorola H670 bluetooth headsets are not compatible with the Cingular 8525 and Cingular 8500 at this time. Compatibility with these headsets will be available via software download in the near future.

help!!
I see that im not the only one having problem with the Nokia BH800, im happly using the Black v3.0.1 rom on my hermes (softbank) but i cant seems to make the BH800 to work handsfree, did any one have a solution for that??
thanks

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I have the BH800- works absolutely fine with my TyTn using the latest firmware (on the Tytn, not the headset!).
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I have the Softbank edition which firmware is recommended to work with the Nokia BH800?
pls help