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Hi all,
Pretty much got this thing working OK now. I do have a few 'issues' which maybe you could help with:
1. Speed is just about bearable except in one case: It takes 6 seconds (!!!) to switch between keyboard and transcriber when in notes (or any other program needing input). This makes it nearly unusable for me Any ideas what might be causing this?
2. I really miss the old WM2003 functionality in phone of clicking the left d-pad to access speed dial and the right d-pad to access histroy. Is there any way of restoring this funcionality?
3. This is probably a silly one but hte camera seems to default to landscape mode. I find this hard to use. Is it possible for it to come up in portrait?
Hope you can help.
Regards
Neil__C said:
Hi all,
Pretty much got this thing working OK now. I do have a few 'issues' which maybe you could help with:
1. Speed is just about bearable except in one case: It takes 6 seconds (!!!) to switch between keyboard and transcriber when in notes (or any other program needing input). This makes it nearly unusable for me Any ideas what might be causing this?
2. I really miss the old WM2003 functionality in phone of clicking the left d-pad to access speed dial and the right d-pad to access histroy. Is there any way of restoring this funcionality?
3. This is probably a silly one but hte camera seems to default to landscape mode. I find this hard to use. Is it possible for it to come up in portrait?
Hope you can help.
Regards
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I agree that switching between different text entry types is PAINFULLY slow. I thought it was a problem with mine, in fact I was thinking of doing a hard reset to try and fix the problem. I'll wait on that now.
Yes the camera is in landscape mode. It took me a few days to get used to it, now I don't even notice it.
its purely down to the slow cpu. if you clock the chip to 252mhz, its a lot quicker.
quite frankly, there is no excuse for HTC to use this cpu in the latest products. everything else about this device rocks! my first pocketpc was 200mhz like what? 5 - 6 years ago?
(im not trying to start a flame war)
Cant say i've noticed speed to be an issue, but then again, i'm used to using the xda exec. I've had my prophet for 5 1/2 hours now and i'm loving it - sooo much quicker than the exec.
I've not noticed the slowness changing between input types either, but i'm sure in time i will.
What rom are you running? mine is the i-mate jamin :
Rom : 1.0.9.25 WWE
Date : 09/01/06
Radio : 01.14.20
Protocol : 4.0.13.25
ext rom : 1.0.9.114
Only one issue i've noticed, the loudspeaker on the back is piss poor - it distorts even when i receive a text message
Cheers
Paul
Same software here exactly. This thing isn't massively slow, it just manages to lag enough on just about everything to be irritating to the point that I'm about to get shot of it
Regards
input methods
Switching between input methods is painfully slow for me as well. I also occassionally have the problem where an alternative input method (such as the phone pad, or the keyboard for CE Star) fails to appear at all, and instead I'm given the standard virtual keyboard.
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Zoltair Wright said:
Switching between input methods is painfully slow for me as well. I also occassionally have the problem where an alternative input method (such as the phone pad, or the keyboard for CE Star) fails to appear at all, and instead I'm given the standard virtual keyboard.
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Overall I'm really happy with my Jamin. I came from using a Jam. The battery life is great compared to the Jam, especially while using WiFi. At this point the only thing that bothers me as far as speed goes is the text entry method change everything else is fine.....However, I have done all the reg hacks for speed improvement and installed the overclocker app which I only use with video or on some really heavy web pages,Skype etc. With this device it is really worth the time and effort to do the tweaks. The easy way is to get Tweaks2K2.net, it is a program that will do the reg tweaks for you.
everyone raves about the battery life. i get average 5-7 hours of usage which is around 2 hours more than my original jam. the sad truth though is that if you put the same 416mhz intel chip in the jamin as the jam, i bet that the battery life would mirror that of the jam. ie, the effectively half cpu speed is what gives us all the extra batt life.
i want to test my jam clocked at 200mhz for a week, would be interesting to see what happens. should i get another couple of hours, then... i will be very angry
This is probably a silly one but hte camera seems to default to landscape mode. I find this hard to use. Is it possible for it to come up in portrait?
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Looks at digital camera on my desk... Now what would I do if I wanted to take a portrait shot with that? Turn it on its side perhaps? Sorry, but come on.
Used omapclock to get up to 264Mhz, runs much smoother now.
Major problem for me in the ear piece speaker volume Not even half as clear as my SDA.
MS Voice Command is the program causing the text input method box to be really slow. Does anyone know a work around?
I too find the phone app lacking. Coming from a Treo600, i found very usefull the 4 assignable d-pad shortcuts.
That is right:
MS Voice Command is the app that does the 6 seconds pause on switching text input methods. Also cleaning the registry with SK Tools had this effect on my wizard (the Wizard has the same problem). One thing worked for me:
I did a backup with Spb Backup, made a hardreset and restored the backup. Text input change speed was back to normal (<1 second). Try it, maybe it will help.
But a warning: Spb Backup isn't as reliable in restoring your messages as Sprite Backup is. So to go the safe way make a backup with Sprite Backup, too, so that you can restore the Spb Backup without text messages and can separately restore the messages only from the Sprite Backup.
Post here whether this has worked for you!
Greetings
I think I'm going to leave well enough alone for now. MS Voice can wait until the next ROM upgrade which i've read should be coming any week now :roll:
Hello...
I recieved my MDA last saturday, and since then, have been trying to figure everything out. After multiple calls to tmobile, and even a trip back to the store, i'm still stuck with a few questions that i cannot seem to get answered.
1. The MDA came with the default Tmobile theme which works fine in portrait & in landscape, as well as the default blue Windows theme.
However, I have tried to install multiple themes(including some from microsoft themeselves) and i have one annoying error! Whenever I use an "installed" theme, the portrait screen looks fine, but when I open the keyboard...there are two large greyish/white gaps on the side of the theme.
Ex: I'm using a green theme. When in landscape mode, i have a single green square in the middle of the screen with a strip on either side(left or right)
2. My phone is HORRIBLY slow when and if ANYTHING 3rd party is installed. I've tried today plugins that control the memory usage(figured that would help)...however, it just slowed things done. My phone usually runs at about 14mb Free Program Memory, out of the total 44MB(This seems horrible...with just the default programs installed*for the most part* and maybe agile messenger running.). If i install a today plugin, or a game...this drops below 10mb. Therefore, phone usage can be very aggravating. I cannot think of any other way to increase this memory expect for ONE thing. Would it be possible to transfer ALL programs, applications, etc to the miniSD Card(i have 1gb now, with a 2gb in the mail). This way...i certaintly would not be topping out the usage of the card, and hopefully I can free up alot of space on the phone.
3. As we all know, the packaged IM programs are AWFULLY slow and inconsistent. After a bit of research and trials, I have settled on using Agile Messenger. I'm loving it...expect for a few things.
The MAJOR problem I have with it, is the pop up notification. Its annoying to be surfing the web or playing a game, just to have a pop up tell you that you have recieved a message, EVERY TIME you get a new message(which can amount to a great deal in a short time). I've looked all over for a setting, so unless I missed it, is there any way to shut this off?
A side issue with this program, and also the connectivity of the phone is...:
(even WITH the GPRS hack*always on*), I still lose connection(with 2-4 bars of signal) and therefore i get signed off of Agile, rather often. This isnt' such a problem with me, as seeing it takes a short time to log back in. However, when you look at the conversation from another person's point of view...all you see is
"Soandso" Logged off
"Soandso" logged on
etc
etc
(not sure if that last part was a question or a statement, but if theres an answer, i'd like to hear it!)
4.
My girlfriend has a sidekick, and I LOVE the feature of being able to set phone profiles for specific times of the day. Especially during school, it'll go silent, and the second we are out, its back on normal. I have downloaded PZP to try and fix this loss of luxury. However, I personally don't find the program to be very consistent. Sometimes, it seems as if say my "school" profile is fully functioning, while other times, it really doesnt. Call me crazy, but I have taken a shot in the dark and ventured to say that if one touches the volume button on the phone while the phone is on a specific profile...it will throw it out of its cycle. If anyone has some hints/comments/suggestions of their own on this program or other favorites...I would love to hear from you.
5. After I went about and downloaded the Eten dial pad skin, I noticed that all of my contacts were unable to receive contact photos. I quickly realized that any contact that was saved on my SIM card from my previous phone was stuck in this predictament. However, if i were to create a new contact account, it quickly allows me to customize them alot further. Therefore, i was curious if there was any way to transfer my contacts on my sim card>my phone in a fashion that the phone will accept them.
I'm sure i'll think of more questions(these are just the ones that I havent been able to answer after days of searching :-D)
Thank you so much in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi,
the speed of the HTC Wizard is very slow. That was my problem too.
for question no. 2:
Moving the apps to the card will result in more free space on the phone, OK, but running the apps from the card will also result in low speed, because the card is slower than the main memory. So I think you won't get more speed by this.
Try to overclock the device with OmapClock. My device works like a charm with 264 MHz (original was 180 MHz).
Use a tool like FreeUp RAM, which is part of the SK-Tools-package.
Running OmapClock and freeing up the RAM from time to time brings significantly much more speed. There is almost no waiting time if you click on an icon. You can even run Skype with OmapClock (many other users do so).
HTH
I have seen tidbits about overclocking through my endless searches the last few days. I've always heard that you have to be careful if you overclock a device, such as a phone. Has anyone had any known issues with the overclocking? Are there risks in having the phone run at that speed all the time?
The Wizard isn't slow. Install a Qtek rom without branding, and it will be much faster.
even the sales associate at tmobile seemed to think it was slow. Upgrading to a different ROM sounds ok, but i'm trying to keep everything via tmobile. thaks for the tip though.
Hi,
Im looking to get the Tmobile USA MDA, but after reading posts like this Im alittle afraid.
I need to run TOMTOM on this device and thinking that this might bring the device to a halt. Now Im starting to think that maybe I should get the 6700. Please let me know what you found out about making MDA faster. Thank you.
TazMan1688 said:
I have seen tidbits about overclocking through my endless searches the last few days. I've always heard that you have to be careful if you overclock a device, such as a phone. Has anyone had any known issues with the overclocking? Are there risks in having the phone run at that speed all the time?
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There have been long discussion about what is safe with the Wizard on this forum.
See, for example, http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40284
Also, the SmartsKey app automates startup of OMapClock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41060
(It has a number of other uses as well.
Hope this helps.
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My girlfriend has a sidekick, and I LOVE the feature of being able to set phone profiles for specific times of the day. Especially during school, it'll go silent, and the second we are out, its back on normal. I have downloaded PZP to try and fix this loss of luxury. However, I personally don't find the program to be very consistent. Sometimes, it seems as if say my "school" profile is fully functioning, while other times, it really doesnt. Call me crazy, but I have taken a shot in the dark and ventured to say that if one touches the volume button on the phone while the phone is on a specific profile...it will throw it out of its cycle. If anyone has some hints/comments/suggestions of their own on this program or other favorites...I would love to hear from you.
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There is a known problem with backlighting. See http://zendrui.free.fr/PZPForum/viewtopic.php?t=197
Also, check to see what events PZP is handling for profile-switching. For example, if you have calendar-based or time-based rules, they may switch your profile without you doing anything. Go to Settings, Control to see what you Switches you allow. Or check Time and Calendar for your profiles under the Configuration option.
As much as i'm sure overclocking the device may help, especially in my case. I'm just not sure if its worth the risk. Kind of hard to explain to Tmobile why the phone decided to overheat. Seems overly risky to make such an expensive device, run at higher speeds than its DESIGNED to do. But i'm still not sure, it almost DOES seem worth it...decisions, decisions...
Yes, Thank you for clarifying that...I mostly meant, the inconsistency of PZP with the timing of profiles. It seems as if the program will "switch" to the correct profile, but i don't always see a change in the operation of the device itself. Ex: I have it set to go to school mode at 7:30am, this past week(since its spring break, i've noticed that my incoming calls all had the normal ring volume, as well as system tones, etc...
Although it "says" ""School"" i don't really know if its truely in that mode?!
On this note, i have a question about setting the times(which is what i really want to accomplish). My phone goes to LOUD around 5:30am, School at 7:30 am, Normal at 1:55pm, and Quiet at 4pm.
Nooow, do i have to put two times in the school profile such as 7:30 am-1:54(5)???? so that it has an entire time interval...or can i just tell it when to start, and the next profile will automatically kick in and stop the previous.
Also, does putting the phone in standby or shutting it down have any effect on the profile??
I'm sorry in advance if i'm asking very basic questions, i've just been searching for a long period of time, and i usually can't find a specific answer to my question. So I decided I would spend the time to actually discuss MY problem, with hope someone can help. Again, sorry for any inconvienence or redudant questions.
TazMan1688 said:
As much as i'm sure overclocking the device may help, especially in my case. I'm just not sure if its worth the risk. Kind of hard to explain to Tmobile why the phone decided to overheat.
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I have a german T-Mobile MDA Vario (= HTC Wizard) and I'm overclocking it permanently with OmapClock and SmartSKey. There is no overheating as far as I can say/feel. I can speed up to 264 MHz (original = 180 MHz). If I try more, the device softresets itself without any damage or loss of data. It's a kind of security mechanism. Of course, battery life is a little bit shorter when overclocking it. But I'm sure, slightly overclocking doesn't damage the device! Maybe the lifetime of the device will be a bit shorter, lets say 6 months in 5 years, but you won't realize that, because you won't be using your device in 5 years. You will sure own some other phone when the CPU dies. Together with the tool "FreeUp RAM" (comes with SKTools), I can reach a comfortable speed for everyday use. But never forget: The Wizard IS quite slow, compared with other devices. You can find smart workarounds for that, but don't close your eyes on that fact.
For running any GPS navigation tools I would consider buying not a Wizard, but a much faster device, if you would ask me. I'm using my Wizard only for addresses (~ 700 items), calendar (~ 1200 items) etc., and without overclocking and using a program like Pocket Informant 2005, that would be an annoying, maybe impossible thing. At the beginning, I had to wait almost 10-15 seconds until e.g. the month overview was created. Switch to the following month - wait again. Choose a specific day - wait again. Oh my god! That needed more patience than I had.
Are you running a basic install without all the phone networks customisation bloat?
you can do this by hard resetting (you will loose data doing this) and then doing a softreset when the customisation dialogue pops up after setting time zone etc.
this will speed things up over an install with tmobiles bloatware. I run tomtom and my device is in general as reponsive as the magician it replaces.
good luck with your phone
R
So guys based on your opinions and experience is it worth for me to get the MDA or should I go with a different carrier and a XV/PPC-6700 ?
Hi yozh,
I don't know the 6700-device at all. Maybe we don't have it here in good old Germany, or maybe under a differnt name. Does it have a bigger display (better for navigation)? Does it have a faster CPU? Then take that one! In my eyes I would never like to use the Wizard for navigation. It's only a better phone, not more, not less. For all other purposes I would buy a bigger machine. I do not want to talk bad about my own device, I have bought it and I use it and it's OK for the everyday things I do with it. It has nothing to do with "I'm proud of my device", like some people seem to be here. It's a phone, man, not a Ferrari or a Rolex. You would tell yourself lies, if you would call the Wizard a powerful device. I had a Palm Tungsten T5 before, and THIS is a powerful device. 2600 items in the calendar (true!), and the reaction time was half a second if you tap on the screen! You can go and have a coffee if you do that on a Wizard.
Just think about it. If you buy a Wizard, try it for a day and then write to me what you think about that phone.
Mh. My english should be better, I know.
Just my 2 Cents!
Hi well the 6700 is the apache I belive and the CPU is 416mhz but its not a "dual core" everything else screen adn such is pretty much the same. Thanks for the reply
SO any one on this forums can recoment apache over MDA ?
yozh said:
Hi,
Im looking to get the Tmobile USA MDA, but after reading posts like this Im alittle afraid.
I need to run TOMTOM on this device and thinking that this might bring the device to a halt. Now Im starting to think that maybe I should get the 6700. Please let me know what you found out about making MDA faster. Thank you.
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See my posts on http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48448 regarding processor speeds and TomTom.
Wow really TOMTOM runs better on the MDA then on a 400mhz DELL ? Then Im set defenatly getting the MDA, I like GSM network provide3rs better anyway and plus there are so much choices with the phones. I wish I was able to aford the JASJAS that looks really good.
Also don't forget that when you 'close' an appliation it does not really close, it just goes in to background, thus slowing the system down.
Check out your running processes and close all the ones that are not needed or load an app that really closed things.
TazMan1688 said:
1. The MDA came with the default Tmobile theme which works fine in portrait & in landscape, as well as the default blue Windows theme.
However, I have tried to install multiple themes(including some from microsoft themeselves) and i have one annoying error! Whenever I use an "installed" theme, the portrait screen looks fine, but when I open the keyboard...there are two large greyish/white gaps on the side of the theme.
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Themes built for portrait screens look wrong in landscape view. Easy solution: build a theme that works in landscape view. The Guava Bubbles theme works fine in both because the background image is larger than portrait size.
TazMan1688 said:
4. My girlfriend has a sidekick, and I LOVE the feature of being able to set phone profiles for specific times of the day. Especially during school, it'll go silent, and the second we are out, its back on normal. I have downloaded PZP to try and fix this loss of luxury. However, I personally don't find the program to be very consistent. Sometimes, it seems as if say my "school" profile is fully functioning, while other times, it really doesnt. Call me crazy, but I have taken a shot in the dark and ventured to say that if one touches the volume button on the phone while the phone is on a specific profile...it will throw it out of its cycle. If anyone has some hints/comments/suggestions of their own on this program or other favorites...I would love to hear from you.
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I use PPC-Profiles-Pro, but you can't slave this to a time. Besides, I'd rather just put it on Silent mode by holding the connection manager button for three seconds (top left side button). Otherwise I use PPC Profiles to switch from Work (BT) to Home (Wifi, no BT) to Sleep (No Wifi, no BT, no email alerts or reminders, just ringer). Walking into a theater, I just go to silent mode.
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Also don't forget that when you 'close' an appliation it does not really close, it just goes in to background, thus slowing the system down.
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I know. I'm using MagicButton. And OmapClock with SmartSKey. And FreeUp RAM. In deed, I do almost EVERYTHING to make my device run faster.
PocketHack Master V4 is now out with Tytn support. Be warned that at it's highest setting of 440mhz i had to HARD reset my device.... Must start at a lower speed next time and work my way up!
I'm still in the middle of restoring!!
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PocketHack Master V4 is now out with Tytn support. Be warned that at it's highest setting of 440mhz i had to HARD reset my device.... Must start at a lower speed next time and work my way up!
I'm still in the middle of restoring!!
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have you found a need to overclock the device then...., might works fine for what I use it for
Thanks for pointing this out... I updated the FAQs on the wiki.
It automatically scales the processor voltage onSamsung S3C2440 processors
so does this clock it over 440mhz, because an extra 40mhz doesnt really sound worthy of paying for software, especially when the TyTN is pretty snappy?
So... do you need to stick it in a fridge or anything afterwards?
I think the main idea of using the program is to allow a "super battery saving" mode, by underclocking the device it will use less power....obviously impacting performance-wise but still!
The main reason I wanted PHM was to help render web pages faster. My tytn downloads quicker than the works PC on normal broadband but the pages take longer to 'finalize' the page (i.e.. you can scroll down a page and it's still inserting images). This is a CPU speed issue.
I have finally got to play with PHM and it still needs more work! Just doing a test at tytn's default 400Mhz crashes my phone, never mind higher! I never got much higher than 300Mhz, how strange!!
Hack Master V4 not ready for primetime!
As others have noted, don't waste your time on Hack Master v4. I played with it, only to find it causes crashes, no matter what you do. Also, I found that it caused an incomplete Hard Reset. So, I had to do the manual hard reset twice, to get TYTN working again correctly.
Also, the Wiki should be updated to show there are still problems for anyone wanting to OC the TYTN.
I stupidly tried PHM too, and have just suffered a partial hard reset. Here goes the long and frustrating reinstall...
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I stupidly tried PHM too, and have just suffered a partial hard reset. Here goes the long and frustrating reinstall...
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aren't we allowed to take these people to court? False advertising and damaging my equipment? They must have had enough emails by now and yet the same program is still there advertising the same things, very poor...
We should probably change the title of this thread to say "OVERCLOCKING: DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT..." :idea:
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aren't we allowed to take these people to court? False advertising and damaging my equipment? They must have had enough emails by now and yet the same program is still there advertising the same things, very poor...
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They can get away with it through the fact that they tell you to backup your device before you use the program. Coming from an XDAII where PHM worked perfectly though, I stupidly assumed that the quality of the product would be at least the same or even better after numerous updates.
I'm pretty much set up again now, but I'll certainly be looking at purchasing a backup solution before I put my trust in something like that again.
Don't think about it, even with a backup... While trying to overclock my TyTN smoothly, it's now on the way to service (no more booting at all...)
Gx
Oops ... you should have read this thread before even trying overcloking ...
sorry for ya mate !!!
I find my Jasjam (Hermes) runs very fast and I don't see the point in over clocking it when it runs fast enough normally.
Have XCPU Scaler, in autoscale mode working up to 500mhz, on a cingular 8525 (HERM100), no resets, no problem.
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Also scaled down to 200mhz on the low side for super battery saver.
?Glitch
?Glitch that is amazing not just the speed but the fact that their is no problems!!!!!!!!
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Have XCPU Scaler, in autoscale mode working up to 500mhz, on a cingular 8525 (HERM100), no resets, no problem.
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Also scaled down to 200mhz on the low side for super battery saver.
?Glitch
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you'll be needing one of those new spangly batteries with extra life to cope with a processor increase like that.
@?Glitch: Can you post some screenshots?
That's awesome .. Has anyone else tried this program out? How's it working for you?
I'm using the XCPUScalar with its CPU load based setting.
Normally I set the speed to only 200MHz while on heavy load it speed-up back to 400MHz and 500NHz on very high load.
On day-to-day use it looks like extending the battery life (working on lower clock rate) whiles much quicker route calculation when using the navigation program.
Currently I faced now problem.
I've noticed that when using CPU intensive applications such as games or video, the frame rate drops dramatically while using the touch screen. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen, or when the touch screen receives no input, the speed increases back to "normal". Has anyone else noticed this before? It seems to me like there are still some drivers that need some major updating. I hope the bugs and performance issues will be resolved with this device soon. This device feels underpowered for the hardware is has in it. I'm guessing with some further optimization it will be able to perform much faster (I hope).
BTW, I have the HTC branded version, with ROM version 1.15.405.5
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I've noticed that when using CPU intensive applications such as games or video, the frame rate drops dramatically while using the touch screen. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen, or when the touch screen receives no input, the speed increases back to "normal". Has anyone else noticed this before? It seems to me like there are still some drivers that need some major updating. I hope the bugs and performance issues will be resolved with this device soon. This device feels underpowered for the hardware is has in it. I'm guessing with some further optimization it will be able to perform much faster (I hope).
BTW, I have the HTC branded version, with ROM version 1.15.405.5
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I have the same problem when K-Rally is running.
I've noticed the same problem when playing K-Rally. When I remove the stylus from the screen game run appreciably faster.
Same here guys, but on my Hermes/Tytn which also has the same processor!
Use google and you'll see that some sites recommend that you install these applications that are running slow (Krally for example) on your memory card instead of the main built in memory, and then try it!
I noticed this first when I installed Krally on the Tytn and it seemed slow when using the stylus. On my friends Asus P525 it runs so smooth and fast!
I havent botherd buying a memory card yet as I dont intend to keep the Tytn so therefore I'm unable to test whether or not the above method works.
If you guys can then test it and post your results here.
Thanks.
Guys some bad news,
I've tried installing Krally on a memory card and playing on it but still the problem remains! As soon as you touch the screen with a stylus the game slows down and returns to normal when you remove the stylus!
Not good at all!
DO you have the same problem:
I can't play KRALLY (neither other games as emulated games(mario kart snes)) because i can't push to buttons at the same time. If i'm pushing for example the button to accelerate, once i push a button to turn it stops....That really sucks....When i Had my i-mate JAM i didn't have such problems.
It would be nice to be fixed
use auto-accelerate and auto-turbo... and just directional pad to turn left and right i solved playing like this
Same Problem here! I tried to play PocketQuake and some other games, but every time i use the stylus everything slows down.
But the biggest problem is, when i use the buttons especially the "D-pad" after some pressing of this button (8-10 times) the whole trinity crashes!
Are there people having this problem too?
Maybe someone could test pocketquake too, or test if the dopod rom solves this problem.
Greetings,
Borbosch
Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
meroupow said:
Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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Yeah, this is quite frustrating. I really hope HTC or whoever is developing new ROMs already know about this issue, because it really needs to be corrected.
I had sent e-mail on support with this issue.
I've noticed that the frame rate slow down dramatically then I run the game (such as K-Rally,Sky Force by INFINITE DREAMS - http://www.idreams.pl/main.php) and use stylus to control the game. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen the image become smooth. This not happen If I use buttons to control the game.
I install the same game to ASUS P525 PDA phone. The frame rate slow down not happen on ASUS P525 then I use stylus to control the game and the game run smooth.
Would you improve this problem or how can I improve it?
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This is the answer:
Regrettably as the seems you mention about are made by a 3rd party, I can't comment on there compatibility with you P3600.
I suggest you refrain from using your Stylus to control them as this affects the frame rate.
If you have any further issues with the software I suggest you contact the software manufacturer.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
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So they do not think that this issue their problem.
It is clearly not a problem related to the games. If you mention the games to HTC of course they will say: it's not my fault, it's their fault as everybody tend to do.
It is probably more simple to talk about the cpu consumption when pressing the screen which shouldn't occur and that is slowing down ANY application.
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I'll send an email to HTC about this also to see if we can get a better response. I'll post the reply when I get it.
meroupow said:
Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).
I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).
All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
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I'll send an email to HTC about this also to see if we can get a better response. I'll post the reply when I get it.
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Great, I'll do it too as from the press; hope I'll receive some useful response.
[email protected] said:
Regrettably as the seems you mention about are made by a 3rd party, I can't comment on there compatibility with you P3600.
I suggest you refrain from using your Stylus to control them as this affects the frame rate.
If you have any further issues with the software I suggest you contact the software manufacturer.
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Yes, the usual, "canned" answer. I'll explain them how the CPU usage can be reliably benchmarked and will also post them my measurement results, which DO slow it's HTC that has a buggy driver, NOT the third-party apps.
Menneisyys said:
This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).
I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).
All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
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I'e continued benchmarking my other Pocket PC's; neither the Dell Axim x51v (A12 ROM) nor the Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 did exhibit any kind of CPU usage increase with the stylus down.
I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
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I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
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Thanks Menneisyys, that would be extremely appreciated.
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We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
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The answer unfortunately is yes! As mentioned in my first post the Hermes also suffers from this just as bad! I've simply given up playing Krally. All I play now is worms which is playable as its not a speed intensive game.
Its such a shame though, because on my mates asus p525 which is like a year old now, Krally runs so fast
Damn HTC. This will probably be the last HTC product I'm going to own!
Keep us updated and yes doing those tests sounds a pretty good idea.
Dead Cell.
Hey mackaby007,
How could you move from Universal Crossbow to Athena at the moment? I find that for a few days of using crossbow, it's exceptionally responsive, also it's a better and more stable ROM compared to WM5. I noticed right away the extra performance and fast synchronization, Better multiple SMS features, No Longer memory Leak problem(So I don't have to keep soft resetting), Reliable Installing/Uninstalling software, Elimination of occasional pauses problem.
Just the mean of justifying Athena purchase now.
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Hey mackaby007,
How could you move from Universal Crossbow to Athena at the moment? I find that for a few days of using crossbow, it's exceptionally responsive, also it's a better and more stable ROM compared to WM5. I noticed right away the extra performance and fast synchronization, Better multiple SMS features, No Longer memory Leak problem(So I don't have to keep soft resetting), Reliable Installing/Uninstalling software, Elimination of occasional pauses problem.
Just the mean of justifying Athena purchase now.
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I agree too WM6 on UNIVERSAL is really good, but there are things Universal can't do, but Athena could! e.g. GPS, extra Rom, Micro Drive, bigger screen.
Personally, i really thing the 5 inch screen is a plus, you can fit so much more info on one screen, i used to think Universal screen is big enough, but after using Athena for almost a month, Universal's screen look really quite small to me.
And also i think the design and built quality of Athena is better then Universal as well.
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I agree too WM6 on UNIVERSAL is really good, but there are things Universal can't do, but Athena could! e.g. GPS, extra Rom, Micro Drive, bigger screen.
Personally, i really thing the 5 inch screen is a plus, you can fit so much more info on one screen, i used to think Universal screen is big enough, but after using Athena for almost a month, Universal's screen look really quite small to me.
And also i think the design and built quality of Athena is better then Universal as well.
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Perfectly said Wu. Just to add to that.....WM6 is a great O/S, which makes the Universal great for a while longer.....but Athena blows it clean out of the water in every way!! Therefore Athena (best device IMHO) coupled with WM6.....= cutting edge mobile technology with the richest hardware feature....simply no competition IMHO.
It's like comparing the Wizard with the Hermes....same form factor...different device/technology alltogether.
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I agree too WM6 on UNIVERSAL is really good, but there are things Universal can't do, but Athena could! e.g. GPS, extra Rom, Micro Drive, bigger screen.
Personally, i really thing the 5 inch screen is a plus, you can fit so much more info on one screen, i used to think Universal screen is big enough, but after using Athena for almost a month, Universal's screen look really quite small to me.
And also i think the design and built quality of Athena is better then Universal as well.
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Hi Wu,
May I know how can you fit more information in one screen compared to Universal? Isn't Universal and Athena essentially the same resolution 640x480, therefore technically you see the same amount of information only bigger size?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks,
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Hi Wu,
May I know how can you fit more information in one screen compared to Universal? Isn't Universal and Athena essentially the same resolution 640x480, therefore technically you see the same amount of information only bigger size?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks,
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yes that is basically right, but don't forget because Athena has bigger screen, you can really change the font size to smallest and is still visible, (so small font in Athena = Medium font in Universal). This way you can fit more info on one screen, you can also change the icon and everything to smaller one.
For opera it's the same, browsing through internet is so much better now.
jlingo said:
Hi Wu,
May I know how can you fit more information in one screen compared to Universal? Isn't Universal and Athena essentially the same resolution 640x480, therefore technically you see the same amount of information only bigger size?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks,
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The next of my concern would be the battery life. How much better is the battery life in Athena compared to Universal? Let say if you work on documents with lowest backlight on continuously in universal would last you for 5 hours but perhaps 8hours in Athena?
Thank you guys for the encouragement.
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The next of my concern would be the battery life. How much better is the battery life in Athena compared to Universal? Let say if you work on documents with lowest backlight on continuously in universal would last you for 5 hours but perhaps 8hours in Athena?
Thank you guys for the encouragement.
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i would say Athena's battery is truly amazing, personally i think it's much better then Universal. I have not work on documents that much on my Athena, but for day to day normal usage (read news, make calls, send message, play games, GPS), with Bluetooth and 3G always on, with backlight set to highest, it can easily last for 1 day.
Stand by time is good too, i have my athena beside me when i go to bed (battery level is 70%) . Wake up in the morning and is still 70% !
I have virtually every device that HTC have made; So far the Athena (My one is a dopod U1000) is the best so far. It is by far the most usable that i have come across. The screen is Wow and best of all the phone is so dam stable. BT works across all profiles, all my software works, I am a heavy user of the phone both voice and data, I must admit as a very heavy user by the time i get home my battery is like around 40-50%, possibly also because all my apps are on the microdrive. (TomTom runs so fast installed on the MD that when i installed the Maps on the SD card the difference was unacceptable compared to the MD) TBH when i got my Universal it was a little disappointing (way too slow did not support HSDPA), and no soon as the TYtn was released i upgraded. The tytn is also a great phone but the screen size is too small compared to the Universal. The Athena Rocks! best HTC device I have had so far..
i agree with you faisal. I do a lot of remote oncall support for my office and my athena has now completey replaced my bulky laptop, allowing me to connect to my office whenever, wherever I am.
The athena offers a much better and user friendly screen size, although much bigger than the tytn, its size certainly outweighs the annoyance of having to scroll all the time.
To most people the athena is massive but after using it for a week i find myself liking it more and more, as I have said it has now more or less reduced my on call laptop to a brick in the corner gathering dust.
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I have virtually every device that HTC have made; So far the Athena (My one is a dopod U1000) is the best so far. It is by far the most usable that i have come across. The screen is Wow and best of all the phone is so dam stable. BT works across all profiles, all my software works, I am a heavy user of the phone both voice and data, I must admit as a very heavy user by the time i get home my battery is like around 40-50%, possibly also because all my apps are on the microdrive. (TomTom runs so fast installed on the MD that when i installed the Maps on the SD card the difference was unacceptable compared to the MD) TBH when i got my Universal it was a little disappointing (way too slow did not support HSDPA), and no soon as the TYtn was released i upgraded. The tytn is also a great phone but the screen size is too small compared to the Universal. The Athena Rocks! best HTC device I have had so far..
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Hey faisal, nice to hear you enjoy your device so much, me too here ! just wonder when you say you install all app on Micro drive, do you come across any problem at all? any more battery drain? And also when you say TomTom on MD is much faster, how much faster is it? I have install mine on SD and it seems really fast as well. (e.g. Load up TomTom in 5 sec, GPS signal in 10 sec, route planning in 7 sec).
After all, will you suggest me to move all my app to MD?
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Hey faisal, nice to hear you enjoy your device so much, me too here ! just wonder when you say you install all app on Micro drive, do you come across any problem at all? any more battery drain? And also when you say TomTom on MD is much faster, how much faster is it? I have install mine on SD and it seems really fast as well. (e.g. Load up TomTom in 5 sec, GPS signal in 10 sec, route planning in 7 sec).
After all, will you suggest me to move all my app to MD?
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Wu5262 (got it right this time.) I have not had any issues yet running software from MD, even spb shell, which should be installed on main memory works perfectly installed to MD. In regards to TT6, you will notice the difference when switch to browsing the map, play about with the zoom and pull the map up and down, you will notice it redraws much quicker when run from MD compared to SD. As virtually everything runs from MD there is more drain. Average usage (I use HSDPA a lot, do a lot of browsing with opera and use Sling box viewer an average of 2 hours a day so thats streaming TV via HSDPA, an average of around 10-15 txt and at least a total of 45min worth of calls (not all at once)) with 100% charge at the start of the day by the time I get back from work around 6.30 7.00 pm, my battery indicator is between 50-60%. I have not found it an issue yet where I get worried that i may not have enough charge to last till the end of the day. For back up I use WM5storrage to mount the drive and then run a Robocopy script which does differential copies, so I do a backup every day of my MD which takes on average less than 2 minutes every day.
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Wu5262 (got it right this time.) I have not had any issues yet running software from MD, even spb shell, which should be installed on main memory works perfectly installed to MD. In regards to TT6, you will notice the difference when switch to browsing the map, play about with the zoom and pull the map up and down, you will notice it redraws much quicker when run from MD compared to SD. As virtually everything runs from MD there is more drain. Average usage (I use HSDPA a lot, do a lot of browsing with opera and use Sling box viewer an average of 2 hours a day so thats streaming TV via HSDPA, an average of around 10-15 txt and at least a total of 45min worth of calls (not all at once)) with 100% charge at the start of the day by the time I get back from work around 6.30 7.00 pm, my battery indicator is between 50-60%. I have not found it an issue yet where I get worried that i may not have enough charge to last till the end of the day. For back up I use WM5storrage to mount the drive and then run a Robocopy script which does differential copies, so I do a backup every day of my MD which takes on average less than 2 minutes every day.
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thanks for the info, i will keep that in mind, maybe next time when i upgrade i will install everything to MD.
One more question, do you have any issue with spb mobile shell? does your spb menu load up correctly? mine one don't load up straight away, i need to point here and there to get it to work. when it finally loads up, all my sound is gone.
I have heard other people having the same issue as well, might to do with landscape VGA. Anyway, i have disable the spb Menu to load up from startup folder and only use the mobile shell plugin.
Your one working with spb menu?
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thanks for the info, i will keep that in mind, maybe next time when i upgrade i will install everything to MD.
One more question, do you have any issue with spb mobile shell? does your spb menu load up correctly? mine one don't load up straight away, i need to point here and there to get it to work. when it finally loads up, all my sound is gone.
I have heard other people having the same issue as well, might to do with landscape VGA. Anyway, i have disable the spb Menu to load up from startup folder and only use the mobile shell plugin.
Your one working with spb menu?
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Yep, got the same problem with spb menu.
I have the same problem with SPB shell, how do you disable the sob menu from the start up menu? which files do i delete?
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faisal how do you install SPB mobile shell to the MD as when i install it it doessn't give me a choice where to install and only installs on the main memory.
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faisal how do you install SPB mobile shell to the MD as when i install it it doessn't give me a choice where to install and only installs on the main memory.
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Hmm weird, I will test it again, but am certain it gives me a choice
bashi007 said:
I have the same problem with SPB shell, how do you disable the sob menu from the start up menu? which files do i delete?
thanks
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go to windows/startup and delete the spb menu there
Hi faisal, when you installed your Tomtom did you let it auto start from the SD card and then copy everything over to your MD or did you use Activesync to move all the setup files to your MD first?
Yes, I have to agree U1000 is so damn stable. It's probably the most stable and the most problem free out of many PDA's that I have used before. It's much more stable than Universal. And that's for sure. All my softwares are indeed working flawlessly. Bugs problems that I used to experience under Universal WM5 seemed to have already been ironed out completely. It's the most mature WM5, which is very impressive IMO.
At the moment, I'm reluctant to upgrade to WM6 in June unless they offer similar stability which I doubt it after knowing Microsoft for a long time.
Well I was having a lot of problems with Universal WM6 and Vista, Office 2007, WDMC. Synchronization problems, Slow Word processing problems, partnership problems, Contact notes disappearance and many others...
I'm so happy that I bought U1000 after so many considerations.
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I have virtually every device that HTC have made; So far the Athena (My one is a dopod U1000) is the best so far. It is by far the most usable that i have come across. The screen is Wow and best of all the phone is so dam stable. BT works across all profiles, all my software works,
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Me too agree...just superb...