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i am using the live messenger and connected to the internet through WiFi but it refused to use this connection and connect through the gprs.....please help
did M$ do a favour for the operators? I've experienced this, too...
If phone is switched off in the conn manager, then it's able to use the WiFi connection.
It favours the GPRS connection because the Windows Live services are designed to stay connected while you are signed in. Something that would not happen with WiFi as you can turn your device off, or lose the WiFi signal if you moved out of range and so on.
I am under the impression that it will use WiFi if available, but it will always use GPRS to maintain the connection. Not sure how true this is though as I haven't looked at it with a data analyser.
astraman said:
i am using the live messenger and connected to the internet through WiFi but it refused to use this connection and connect through the gprs.....please help
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not working with me too through ActiveSync connection
Not a cure for the problem. But this allows you to disable your GPRS while you are on WiFi
http://www.modaco.com/New-FREE-Utility-t246171.html
On mine I just press cancel when the gprs connection pops up and it uses wifi after that.
They talked about it on one of the WM blogs. I can't find the link at the moment, but they said it was because the WiFi chipsets used too much power for always on connection so they forced it to use the phone. Apparently the phone chipset can be in low power mode but only power up when it receives data but the wifi chipset couldn't.
I found that even clicking cancel connection, it would keep trying to connect until it got through, then it would always send data over the phone.
On the other hand.... the reasons they gave for not allowing activesync over wifi were that it would be "insecure".
so there you have it... it's not allowed either because they are trying to save your precious battery... or they are keeping you safe and protected from the nasty people out there.
or it's a big conspiracy.
ivorh said:
They talked about it on one of the WM blogs. I can't find the link at the moment, but they said it was because the WiFi chipsets used too much power for always on connection so they forced it to use the phone. Apparently the phone chipset can be in low power mode but only power up when it receives data but the wifi chipset couldn't.
I found that even clicking cancel connection, it would keep trying to connect until it got through, then it would always send data over the phone.
On the other hand.... the reasons they gave for not allowing activesync over wifi were that it would be "insecure".
so there you have it... it's not allowed either because they are trying to save your precious battery... or they are keeping you safe and protected from the nasty people out there.
or it's a big conspiracy.
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but it is better to let me choose to allow connection via activeSync or WiFi ro not
Hello,
Is there some program for windows mobile 6 standard that will let me turn on wifi automatically when it is needed (by an application) and switch it off after its been inactive for a little bit?
ivan
When the machine is suspended - either by pressing the power button or after a timeout, the wifi will be off automatically.
Unless you want to have power on full-time....
I meant that I wanted to have wifi turn on automatically if an app needs network access, otherwise no. The fact that the phone turns on wifi even if you are just checking the clock makes it a bit annoying to leave it on. Nokia phones, for example, ask you when an application needs network access if you'd like to connect. After you close the application, the connection is closed as well.
What you described is dial on demand. But Wifi in WM nor Windows PCs as a matter of fact, is a LAN device that just doesn't "dial". It just connects as-is, like a physical ethernet adapter. In other words, you can't even do it in Windows PCs.
However, you may be able to use some profile based solutions to switch on/off your wifi base on time, location, etc. But that may not be what you want.
ww2250 said:
What you described is dial on demand. But Wifi in WM nor Windows PCs as a matter of fact, is a LAN device that just doesn't "dial". It just connects as-is, like a physical ethernet adapter. In other words, you can't even do it in Windows PCs.
However, you may be able to use some profile based solutions to switch on/off your wifi base on time, location, etc. But that may not be what you want.
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I guess nokia figured it out first then
or actually symbian?
Oh i'd love to use S60 on my S620
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
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I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
Hi guys,
I use 3 different wifi networks during the course of a day, well 2 a day, 3 through out the week probably. Home/Work/Friends house
I have a very small data package (5mb) so i am very choosy about when I use my data connection!
Anyways, did some testing.
I already know that if I have no wifi, no data connection on, then I try and start outlook or Internet Explorer, then my data connection starts up (as it should)
now if i have my data connection on, then i turn on wifi on the phone, the wifi connection takes over and the data connection is not being used, even though it's on.
I also have no problems with when wifi is on and data is off, and if i goto outlook or IE, that gprs decides to go on. this does not happen tome (unless for some strange reason wifi cuts out, gprs tries to take over)
So i dont know if its something with your settings or not, maybe your phone goes to sleep and wifi turns off then gprs takes over, or i could be misunderstanding your question, because now that I think about it, perhaps you are asking something like..
- at home no wifi or data connection is active at that moment
- you navigate to a page in IE and instead of gprs turning on, wifi turns on/scans for lan and uses that
Yeah, that's probably waht you are asking.. haha yahoo for long winded useless post
If you figure it out, i want to know! lol
Iain.m said:
I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
briggs81 said:
You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
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Great little utility , thanks very much for pointing that out - it at least allows me to do what I want manually - i.e. use my wifi without having to turn the phone off.
Although I know you can disconnect GPRS from the Comm manager, it also doesn't seem to have an idle time out so once an application (like Emoze) has started it up it keeps running in the background. Also, as soon as you turn it off, inevitably Emoze turns it straight back on! The NoData application gives much more control so thanks for that.
I do go abroad reasonably often so also happy to be able to use it for its primary purpose of disabling GPRS whilst roaming to avoid silly charges
It would be great if HTC could build a bit more intelligence and control into the network side of these things though.
I.
You may want to look into Schaps Advanced Config or KaiserTweak for wifi/gprs settings.
You can set timers and disconnects, etc, with those applications.
Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
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The Good News: I fixed this behavior on the phone w/o any 3rd-party utilities, etc.
The Bad News: I'm not 100% sure how. :-/ My apologies. Here is what I think did it:
Make sure your browser is closed and you have no open data connections.
1- Open the Wireless Manager and make sure "WLAN" is on and "Data Connection" is off.
2- Go to Start>Settings and choose the "Connections" tab along the bottom.
3- Open "Wireless LAN," choose your home wireless network, and make sure you're actively connected to it (should see a signal quality meter, device network settings, etc).
4- Close "Wireless LAN" and while "Settings" is still open and on the "Connections" tab, open "Wi-Fi." Your list of known Wi-Fi networks should be showing: make sure your home network says "connected."
5- Close everything back out to your "Today" screen.
When my Tilt is set this way -- and actively connected to my WLAN -- the Wireless Manager grays out "Data Connections" and doesn't even respond if I tap the icon. IE automatically uses my WLAN, although it won't connect to some of its pre-loaded favs b/c, I think, they're on WAP servers and the Wi-Fi/NAT router assigns/negotiates TCP/IP protocols for your phone.
I think now I accomplish all the above by simply opening the keyboard and pressing the FN/Wi-Fi key.
FYI -- In truth, I solved this problem by installing Opera Mobile and setting it as my default browser. Opera Mobile is a full browser, i.e. doesn't use WAP.
Hope this helps. If not, sorry for this 5 minutes of your life you'll never get back. :-/
gT
Hey guys
I'm a big time noob, and the HD2 is a complete marvel for me, its my first WM device and I'm learning alot thats for sure. If there is an obvious solution, apologies in advance
I've been looking around the forums and googling for answers, but still unsure about the data connection and wifi settings in the HD2, and have spent the last few days checking the connection status/settings. Sometimes I find that the WiFi and/or Data Connection ON/OFF toggle section is greyed out in Settings, no idea why as I haven't been able to find a real reason. Could anyone please explain why this may be the case?
Ideally I'd like the WiFi to be the preferred internet access mode, but I'm not sure what my phone is using when I access online content. I can see the wireless is connected, but how can I be sure its definitely using it? I can check the notifications that I'm connected, but I'm also seeing a connection to "Contract Internet" which is normally on H with full bars.
On my previous phone a Nokia N95 8gb (nothing compared to HD2 bar the camera ) whenever I wanted to go online, I had it set to "ask" what connection to use, e.g. I had a list of connections such as Vodadafone Contract (3G/GPRS) or from a list of my defined WiFi connections.
Is there something similar somewhere in the HD2 settings that would "ask" what kind of connection to use? It would be great if someone could let me know.
Sorry to be a pest, but anyone?
Hi there. I'm not an expert myself and HD2 is my first Windows Mobile device as well. I'll try and help, because I spent some time looking for answer on that particular subject. Let's go through this point by point.
(1) You have to understand the notification icons that appear on the topbar. Download the official user manual here and look for pages 39-40. These notifications are realtime, thus more precise than the Comm Manager.
(2) Let's be clear: the word "data connections" that appear in the Comm Manager only refer to the internet connections using 2G (GPRS or EDGE) or 3G (UMTS or HPSDA), not Wifi. So it won't toggle on, even when your wifi connection is up and running.
(3) A lot applications use your internet connection (Data or Wifi), even when the phone is in sleep mode (weather updates, stocks updates etc).
(4) About the following question: I'm not sure what my phone is using when I access online content. I'll tell you the way it works on my phone. Still, you'll need aswers of other people as well. You have to consider different situations.
- If no internet connection is on (no wifi, no data) and an application need to access internet (ex: Eutomatic updates or Opera browser), then the phone will open a data connection (2G or 3G). If it doesn't succeed, you'll get an error message.
- If wifi is already on and connected, but data connection is off, the applications will use the wifi connection. Unlike data connection, the applications are not able to "force wifi connection" if it's not already connected... I don't know if there is a setting or a tweak to change this.
(5) Unfortunately, I already experienced some application that "force" the opening of data connections, even with wifi on and connected. That's why I disable every automatic updates. I only do manual updates... and it "obeys", meaning that updates use the wifi when I'm connected, and force data connection when wifi is not available. I tried some complex (freewares) softwares like WMLongLife (found here) because I wanted the data connection to disconnect automatically after an updates (manual or automatic), but they were not very handy. The latest I tried gave me the best results. It's called Bandswitch 0.3 (found here). It works great in doing just that: automatic data disconnection after idle delay you choose.
(6) Is there something similar somewhere in the HD2 settings that would "ask" what kind of connection to use? I'm not absolety sure, but you could try to reach this settings. Follow this path: Windows icon -> Start menu -> Settings -> Connections -> Connections (yes, once again) -> Go to the tab called "Advanced" -> Click on the button "select networks". Here you can find what program which network programs must automaticaly use. You'll be able to see the 2G/3G network, but I'm not sure what you should choose to enable WIFI connection... Tell me if you find!
That's it folk. Cheers.
Sorry for a short answer, but Wifi will always be grayed out when your hooked up to your pc, I didnt notice it at first either so dont be embaressed
(subscribed to the thread because I think something that would let you pick your connection type would be ace)
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Sorry for a short answer, but Wifi will always be grayed out when your hooked up to your pc, I didnt notice it at first either so dont be embaressed
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I also noticed this, but yesterday I found an option in Activesync windows mobile device centre on my PC by accident. It says "disable data connection on phone when connected to PC"
If you untick this box you can connect to wifi and GPRS/HSDPA all whilst still connected to the PC through usb!
Elmo-85 said:
I also noticed this, but yesterday I found an option in Activesync windows mobile device centre on my PC by accident. It says "disable data connection on phone when connected to PC"
If you untick this box you can connect to wifi and GPRS/HSDPA all whilst still connected to the PC through usb!
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I guess you'd wanna do that only if your PC is not connected already to the internet... which is rare...
Because your device is automatically connected to the network your laptop/pc is currently connected to.
lovanova said:
I guess you'd wanna do that only if your PC is not connected already to the internet... which is rare...
Because your device is automatically connected to the network your laptop/pc is currently connected to.
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Yes it's strange isnt it. I cant think why it is necessary really to change this option
I just thought I would let you know incase you wondered !!
Thanks rzasharp and [★], things are clearer now.
lovanova said:
I guess you'd wanna do that only if your PC is not connected already to the internet... which is rare...
Because your device is automatically connected to the network your laptop/pc is currently connected to.
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Yes it's strange isnt it. I cant think why it is necessary really to change this option
I just thought I would let you know incase you wondered !!
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If your computer uses a proxy server to connect to the internet, your phone doesn't assume the same identity as your PC. At work I can't use the PCs internet connection on my phone when I connect via ActiveSync, but my phone charges and I can browse it in file explorer.
That's one reason why you'd want to do it
Trying to get internet access on my head unit without paying for a hotspot. I'm aware of PDANet and have used it, but it's sometimes unreliable to get a connection at first and requires restarting it several times. I'm looking for a more automatic solution that will connect as soon as I start the car. Any advice?
I bought a Huawei E8372 LTE stick. It provides both a WiFi access point and a USB ethernet interface that works with my Eonon GA9498B, so I basically disabled the WiFi entirely for the time being. Setting up the stick can easily be done by inserting the SIM card, plugging it into your computer, navigating with your browser to the IP address mentioned in the manual; it's advisable to deactivate the SIM PIN so the stick can just boot and establish the mobile connection without having to enter the PIN every time you turn off and on your car. Boot time for the stick is 20-30s max, so the connection is basically already available as soon as the radio's main screen appears.
Just watch out: I haven't yet found a possibility to mark the ethernet connection as metered in Android, so apps which have different data transfer behavior depending on whether you're on a WiFi or a mobile connection will go on full data blast mode if you don't tell them not to. Take Spotify, for example: If you have marked songs for download, the app will synchronize all changes right away via the LTE connection, even if you've configured Spotify to only do that on WiFi connections. So what I do is putting Spotify in offline mode by default, and only change that when I'm at home and the radio is connected to my WiFi (which luckily takes precedence over the USB-ethernet connection). Same goes for my HERE WeGo offline maps: I configured it to download them manually, so it only checks for map updates and notifies me, and I can download them when I'm home. Google Maps is pretty spare about its data usage anyway, so no need to change anything here. I also disabled automatic updates in Play Store, so it just notifies me of available updates which I can then install when I'm back home.
This COULD be avoided by activating the stick's WiFi hotspot, connecting the radio via WiFi and then, in Android's data usage settings, mark the WiFi network as metered. I tried that once, and it wasn't all too reliable - Android keeps forgetting these settings irregularly (the WiFi is shown as metered in Android's settings after I changed that setting; will stay like that for a while whenever I take a look again; and at some indeterminate point will show "Automatic" again, which means it's being treated like your cable router in your living room again) and doesn't tell you so at all, so apps might first behave correctly (i.e. like they're using mobile network), and later recognize their environment as being in an unlimited WiFi network and download everything they do in the background, eating up your mobile data. Thus I rather control each app's settings in this regard manually.