I get confused (I know its easy) but is it correct to say that any ‘Charmer’ discussions etc should be discussed in the same form as the Magician? I understand these devices named compact and compact II are similar in a lot of ways but not the same in others. With this in mind can it be said that utilities, programs, fixes, tweaks etc would run on both devices providing they are both executing WM5? Thanks in advance
Since there are limited users for Charmers, the admin decided not to have a seperate section for Charmers. Read this
They are very similiar (almost identical) in terms of the physical appearance, BUT they are very well different internally. One of the major differences is that, Magician runs W2003 while Charmer runs WM5. Hence, not all of the fixes and tweaks are interchangable. However, most of the utilities / software (excluding SIM/CID unlocking, ROM flashing) are interchangable since both are running Windows OS (eg. those software that runs on both W2003 and WM5).
In terms of the hardware, the Charmer is more like a HTC Wizard, in many cases. Example, the aWizard used for flashing ROM can be used for Charmer. The lokiwiz used by Wizard to perform SIM unlock can be used for Charmer as well. As for for fixes and tweaks, those from other WM5 units (Wizard, Prophet, Universal, etc) are mostly (not all) applicable to Charmer.
However, due to the similarity in appearance, Charmer stuff are very well inside the Magician forum. So, Magician user, beware
Thanks Hanmin as always much appreciated. So to recap I have some software from my BA that ran on 2003SE this may work? and help and hints etc can be found in both the magician and Wizard forums. Is this correct? As a newly aquired Charmer user I am not sure if this was the right device to buy as it is outside or radically different to the other devices on the forum.
Also since the site changed has the PM function been removed?
Thanks JD76
"I have some software from my BA that ran on 2003SE this may work?" - Yes
"help and hints etc can be found in both the magician and Wizard forums" - Yes, but you may also want to look at the Wiki section for WM5. Goodies are there.
"As a newly aquired Charmer user I am not sure if this was the right device to buy" - After I had it for almost a year, and loafing around this forum, I find that it is not the 'right' device to buy, as I kinda feel isoated with all the Wizard talks here (not the Tytn talk). However, a year ago, the Charmer and Wizard had almost a £100 difference. So, Wizard is not a 'choice' for me, I'm stingy. BUT, having said that, the phone is good enough for me, as I don't really like the keyboard idea as I'm an ex-Palm user.
As for the PM, you can click on the member's name and there is an option on the right for you to send PM.
Thanks Hanmin I agree with you. I'll have a scoot around and see what I can see see. Like your self I am not interested on the Keyboard but Wi-fi would have been handy. Thanks Jd76
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Hi
Granted XDA2 and XDA2i look an awful lot alike, but inside they're quite different...even the WM2003SE versions banded around for the 2 are nothing at all similar to the version on the 2i. Programs to unlock the extended_rom on XDA2's do not work on the 2i etc etc.
Now that I've upgraded I only really look at posts related to my new phone, I'm sure there are others too. Are there any plans for an Alpine section as this would be most useful.
Cheers
Anthony
OK got a Himalaya and an Alpine (XDA branded) and my Himalaya is very happy now running WM2005 1.60a and the Alpine is running the O2 1.10 ROM.
I had forgotten how unstable WM2003se was compared to WM2005!
The phonepad keeps breaking, have to reinstall from cab files regularly, had to do this on the Himalaya too so it's not the particular ROM or anything I don't think.
Crashes, and lockups, corruption on the today screen that either require a soft reset or messing about changing today themes.
My problem is this, on the Himalaya running 2005, I have many apps installed to my SD card, which is fine, but when I need to use WiFi I need to unplug that to use the SDIO WLAN card, so I am unable to then use many of the programs installed.
Damn shame to let this Alpine gather dust, considering it has 128mb ram and rom, and could run 2005 so much better.
Are there any any newer English ROMs for the Alpine, or should I sit and wait with it boxed up until someone releases something else for it?
I was very annoyed at people working on 2005 for xda2 at the time as I believed that we would get grief from MS about it. It seems that, on the whole, that hasn't happened.
I got a 2i thinking that it would be the next upgrade, therefore when an even newer one comes along - ie Universal - I would be better placed to flog the 2i to pay for it. I'm almost starting to regret that decision as I would dearly love the have 2005 on my 2i...and if I had kept the xda2 I would have been enjoying 2005y goodness by now. Grrr!!
Bring on Universal that's what I say!!
Ant
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OK got a Himalaya and an Alpine (XDA branded) and my Himalaya is very happy now running WM2005 1.60a and the Alpine is running the O2 1.10 ROM.
I had forgotten how unstable WM2003se was compared to WM2005!
The phonepad keeps breaking, have to reinstall from cab files regularly, had to do this on the Himalaya too so it's not the particular ROM or anything I don't think.
Crashes, and lockups, corruption on the today screen that either require a soft reset or messing about changing today themes.
My problem is this, on the Himalaya running 2005, I have many apps installed to my SD card, which is fine, but when I need to use WiFi I need to unplug that to use the SDIO WLAN card, so I am unable to then use many of the programs installed.
Damn shame to let this Alpine gather dust, considering it has 128mb ram and rom, and could run 2005 so much better.
Are there any any newer English ROMs for the Alpine, or should I sit and wait with it boxed up until someone releases something else for it?
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Yes there's other released roms for your ALPINE especially from IMATE and Qtek... So get the Pda2 WWE ROM from IMATE and try to use it on you XDA2i..
Good Luck my friend..
So get the Pda2 WWE ROM from IMATE and try to use it on you XDA2i..
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where can us xda 2i owners find th imate rom!?
Yeah, I thought you had to enter your IMEI to access images on the i-mate site.
Have you got a direct link please?
Here!
Many thanks, getting it now
Alan,
I read your thread and have similar dislikes about me Alpine. I have an O2 XDAIIi.
How did your upgrade go?
I downloaded the ROM upgrade but haven't installed it. I am really green at this and not sure how/if I should back up the ROM I have in case I need to restore. Did you do that? Can you guide me on how?
If the ROM upgrade was successful, were you able to install 2005? Again, can you point me in the direction of that download, and instructions.
Greatly appreciated,
Kyle
Try this page, it's about the most up to date ROM for the 2i at the moment. I've had no problems with it at all.
Urm.. you didn't actually post a link?
I am using the i-mate one at the moment, too many people seem to be having problems with the O2 1.11 ROM
True
Sorry, blonde moment there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=25801
I reckon the problem with the new O2 ROM is the radio stack is still the original one. The radio stack on the ROM in the above link is the much better I-mate one with the updates of the O2 ROM.
WM2005 is too slow and buggy for my liking, is there a way to get WM2003 on the MDA pro?
I can live with it if not, but WM2005 is horribly slow in comparison to 2003.
You read my mind
I was wondering the same thing just ealier today. I miss my Blue Angels performance. It never locked up and was plenty fast enough. It would be great to hae this performance and reliability on the Universal.
I have both the devices... BA with 1.42 ROM
BA feels faster only when there are very few apps running. However there are too many bugs and memory errors even when I am not running any app. Talk about closing WMP while it is playing and your loose the sound and have to reboot
WM5 is a bit slower but is much more usable IMO.
STILL... is there any chance of downgrading to 2003se??? no doubt its a universal truth that 2003se is much more stable and user-friendly than wm5, and is compatible with a lot more programs.
99.999999% sure there's no way you'll ever see WM2K3SE on a Universal.
Simply because there hasn't been any commercial need for it.
It was probably developed after MS had made WM5 betas for the Himalaya and Blue Angel.
And when they know that the Universal will be using WM5 in the end; why use resources on making a WM2K3SE ROM for it??
Sorry to dissapoint you..
aaah.. well that's ok, I just installed the latest o2 rom 1.30.107 wwe, and thats much much better than the previous one. I won't miss 2003se. 8)
Where can I get that O2 rom above and how would I install it? Thanks.
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Where can I get that O2 rom above and how would I install it? Thanks.
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you can find it here,
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Uploads/Universal/
althought I downloaded 1.30.162, but after installation in device information it says 1.30.107..!!
YOU CANNOT DOWNGRADE Jasjar to 2003SE, because Jasjar and WM5 have totally new memory handling algorythms. This hardware incompatible with the previous operation system.
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STILL... is there any chance of downgrading to 2003se??? no doubt its a universal truth that 2003se is much more stable and user-friendly than wm5, and is compatible with a lot more programs.
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no no i totally disagree. WM5 is much more stable and user friendly than wm2003se. wm2003se would crash for no real obvious reason sometimes, WM5 never froze on me (except if a program was crazy, using iGO & minimizing it, that causes a freeze). you can run 5-10 apps on WM5 without ANY slowdown i'd notice. WM2003SE, not bad but you can notice the slow down. and the softkeys, well i hated them for the first time but then realized how useful they are when you don't want to use the stylus... absolutely cool. now regarding usability without stylus, we're finally getting closer to the ideal, the handheld pc. now why can't i have a ctrl key on the universal's keyboard??
In just 4 days, after installing the latest O2 rom I had to change my opinion, WM5 Proved itself to be the best mobile os yet, and its working too fine now , no hangs at all.. i wonder why:!: I'm kind of in love with the Jasjar, but I fear that the screen will get loose after sometime at the both pivoting points ,
you are right about the stylus-less use, not touching the screen too often does give you a satisfying feeling. :wink:
wm2003 on the Universal DOES exist
99.999999% sure there's no way you'll ever see WM2K3SE on a Universal.
Simply because there hasn't been any commercial need for it.
It was probably developed after MS had made WM5 betas for the Himalaya and Blue Angel.
And when they know that the Universal will be using WM5 in the end; why use resources on making a WM2K3SE ROM for it??
Sorry to dissapoint you..
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Actually If Im not mistaken the T-Mobile MDA IV shipped with wm2003se. I saw on ebay a few days ago an auction for a universal (I can't remember which it was, I feel like It was an imate jasjar) that was clearly running wm2003. There were pictures of the device and its screen with the new menu at the base. Its possible it could have been the new menu hack for wm2005, but there wasn't a second menu item on the right, and while it could also have been a hoax, it seems pretty unlikely. The point is Im sure that a rom for the universal with wm2003se DOES exist, the question is where to get it. I certainly would like to trade in this useless M$ BT stack for a more functional widcomm/broadcomm stack, or even bluesolei.
Re: wm2003 on the Universal DOES exist
Sess said:
Actually If Im not mistaken the T-Mobile MDA IV shipped with wm2003se. I saw on ebay a few days ago an auction for a universal (I can't remember which it was, I feel like It was an imate jasjar) that was clearly running wm2003. There were pictures of the device and its screen with the new menu at the base. Its possible it could have been the new menu hack for wm2005, but there wasn't a second menu item on the right, and while it could also have been a hoax, it seems pretty unlikely. The point is Im sure that a rom for the universal with wm2003se DOES exist, the question is where to get it. I certainly would like to trade in this useless M$ BT stack for a more functional widcomm/broadcomm stack, or even bluesolei.
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you're mistaken. there's no MDA IV, only MDA Pro anyway, link to the auction please
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Was reading through another forum today and someone was asking about the O2 Atom and I-Mate JAMin. I knew about the atom but hadn't heard anything about the JAMin :shock:
Thought I'd do a search on the trusty xda-developers forum and found it actually comes under the Prophet group :? why??? isn't it just the replacement of the Jam as the Atom is to the mini??
Anyway looks like some research ahead me!
marto
No....the Atom is not even made by HTC.
Strictly speaking, the Charmer replaces the Magician, the Prophet is something else. Various providers seem to have done different things though. T-Mobile brought out the Comact-II which is a Charmer. O2 brough out the Atom, I-Mate brought out the Jamin (Prophet) Orange have brought out the M600 (also a Prophet) etc etc etc.
Each has replaced their variations on the Magician in thier own way.
WOW thats certainly a handfull, thanks TheBrit
Explains why I haven't seen any comparisions as there in two different threads areas. :?
Although I haven't had a chance to fully read up on both it appears the Atom has major phone issues like echo, etc. and the JAMin has had multi ROM updates suggesting there are ongoing issues they are concerned about.... :shock:
Anyone got any -/+ feedback on these puppies?
marto
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WOW thats certainly a handfull, thanks TheBrit
Explains why I haven't seen any comparisions as there in two different threads areas. :?
Although I haven't had a chance to fully read up on both it appears the Atom has major phone issues like echo, etc. and the JAMin has had multi ROM updates suggesting there are ongoing issues they are concerned about.... :shock:
Anyone got any -/+ feedback on these puppies?
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I checked out the Atom in a store recently and did not like it. The very shiny case was literally covered in fingerprints, and the screen image seemed washed out (contrast too high) and the image did not use up all of the space. In short, I was disappointed.
I'm hoping to check out the JAMin tomorrow (in a store in Sydney), and have heard that the latest ROM really brings the device up to speed at last. Note that the Atom has an Intel processor and the JAMin a TI OMAP processor, so they really are different gadgets.
Hi Peter,
Thanks for that The info I'm finding on the 2 units certainly supports your comments.
I look forward to hearing how your adventures go with the JAMin, I haven't found any stockests in Perth yet (like there's a surprise ).
marto
JAMin the Atom
In short, bought an Atom, great speakers, A2DP, and that is about it. Bluetooth weak, no voice dial through headset, no external aerial (the latter killed it for me as I am often in weak radio areas). Shiny case looks good, but don't pick it up without gloves. Now on third ROM. It is stable however, but camera is crap!
Bought JAMin. Even though JAMin is 195Mhz and Atom is 416MHz, hardly any difference. JAMin has great Bluetooth (no A2DP though Grrr), Voice dials, and soft keys make 1 handed operation possible. Screens about the same, Camera slightly better.
If you can live without FM radio and dual speakers, go JAMin and pocket $200.
Cheers.
Hello...
first- excuse me for my bad english, i am from czech republic
i would like to registrate this category in HTC section. The name of this category is "HTC CHARMER/Qtek 110/MDA Compact II"
This all three names are for one PDA/MDA.
Please, answe me on mail s[email protected] or ICQ 114625013
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_PhoneModels
Looks like the Qtec 110 is a Magician
Why dont you just say that you dont want a Charmer sub forum. I have seen a couple of sarcastic comments on this already about people posting Charmer questions. They have to post here, they have no-where else to post questions.
A Charmer sub forum would be helpful, the device is different from the Magician, even if it looks the same.
I like my Charmer, it works well. I have problems with it sometimes and I would like to post, I have not though mainly due to 'processor snobbery' that sometimes creeps into this forum. Thats sad, because XDA Developers is a brilliant site and is sometimes let down by sarcasm.
Regards Jeff
A2DP Bluetooth
I also have an MDA Compact II (charmer) and find it difficult to find specific advice for this model on the forum. I used to have an imate jam (magician) and was able to install a simple bluetooth stack patch that worked perfectly and allowed me to use my logitech BT headphones.
I cannot find any similar patch for the charmer on this site to allow me to upgrade the useless WM5 BT stack and allow A2DP support. Anyone else found a patch that works for this device?
Well, I can understand what others are thinking consider Charmer seems to have an extremly small user group as compared with others. The good thing, is however, Charmer is very like the Wizard `internally` and hence most of the Charmer problems can be solved using Wizard's stuff. As far as the wiki goes, it seems that Charmer is only sold on UK and German, hence the number of limited users.
And, wopffej, for a member with only 1 post, you are certainly making a huge sweeping statemnt
For others, read here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=254489&highlight=
Yep your right. A bit overblown! Anyway 2 posts now.
Still would be nice to have a Charmer sub forum.
Regards Jeff
I totally agree with all the comments here regarding a new sub forum. Admittedly some of the problems can be resolved using the replies from the magician but in theory there is a large charmer community out there. Folks with charmers want to speak to like minded people also with charmers. I have had a Wallaby, BA and now a Charmer and think it deserves its own forum. Thats me had my tuppence worth..thanks JD76..
Help MDA Compact 2 bricked!!!
Hiya. I have a MDA Compact 2.
I had the brilliant idea of try to debrand the device.After an unsuccesfull flashing with a debrand rom anounced on this site.The pda kept freezing.Not happy I've tried to reflash it with my Molski Room for Qtek 9100 (wizard).The process ran out smooth but when it finished the pda dont stard up, does not even light up.The only thing that happens is that the screen keep flickering as trying to do something.
Some1 out there help me
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Hiya. I have a MDA Compact 2.
I had the brilliant idea of try to debrand the device.After an unsuccesfull flashing with a debrand rom anounced on this site.The pda kept freezing.Not happy I've tried to reflash it with my Molski Room for Qtek 9100 (wizard).The process ran out smooth but when it finished the pda dont stard up, does not even light up.The only thing that happens is that the screen keep flickering as trying to do something.
Some1 out there help me
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Its totally bricked now, by installing a Wizard Rom youve trashed the bootloaders. you could of fixed it by using the tmobile mdac2 rom but it needs to go back to the manufacturer now. and dont try and blame me, you didnt follow the instructions i laid out for my debranded rom, it didnt work cos you installed it on aku1 bootloaders when i clearly put, it needs aku2 bootloaders and how to check if you had them already.
what is new with separate thread? this is discrimination :-D
Yeah lets get back to the original request, remove these spurious posts!!. How about a separate sub forum for us charmer owners??? surely someone must have the clout out there to make a decision. any backers....
who can create new category for mda charmer.... ? we must say to anybody, who has privilege for creating this category (mda compact II - charmer)
I take it none of the adminstrators are listening to us Charmer (aka Compact II) owners. Can anyone??? clarify if a sub category is possible????????????
Thanks....
i speak english very little... who is able to create this new subforum?
Check the main page, Charmer Forums now open!!
Good one Dave much appreciated. There is a lot of Charmer users out there. So after requesting and the administrators being so kind to create lets get posting!!!!!
CHARMER (aka MDA COMPACT 2) forum :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=344