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Hi all!
T-Mobile is working on their new, so called: "HSDPA-Ready Network". And since I'm having the T-Mobile provider in about 2 months, this really sounded interesting.
I suppose you all know HSDPA is high-speed (1mbit+) internet, but for as far as I know the Qtek 9100 doesn't have HSDPA support.
Maybe a stupid question, but will this support ever come? Like a firmware upgrade, or is this HSDPA-function really in the hardware?
Thanks in advance!
Rik
Like UMTS (which HSDPA is an upgrade of), it needs specific radio hardware, so no dice for our Wizard. The HTC Hermes, successor of the Wizard, will support UMTS and HSDPA.
Ah, thats a shame...
Thanks anyway!
also don't expect 1mb/s from the service in the first couple of years until they get some competition from others. it is like cabl modems. from day 1 they could go 18MB/s but because DSL couldn't compete they never opened up the extra bandwidth. Cingular set theirs to operate on average just above that of Verizon's EVDO network. i.e. 300-500Kb/s. still 3-5 times the speed we get now with lower latency, but no 1mb/s either.
Koksie said:
Like UMTS (which HSDPA is an upgrade of), it needs specific radio hardware, so no dice for our Wizard. The HTC Hermes, successor of the Wizard, will support UMTS and HSDPA.
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with the hermes will it support us, tmo and cing, frequencies of hsdpa. i know that the hsdpa network, like gsm, can operate at different frequencies so i was just wondering if the planned rollout of the tmo and cing networks will follow the same frequency requirements as the rest of the world...
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with the hermes will it support us, tmo and cing, frequencies of hsdpa. i know that the hsdpa network, like gsm, can operate at different frequencies so i was just wondering if the planned rollout of the tmo and cing networks will follow the same frequency requirements as the rest of the world...
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you are correct in that the EU's freq is different than ours for UMTS. I can't remember the freq's off hand though. it is annoying that this happens so often.... here's to hoping that world phones remain world phones even for umts freqs.
In europe it runs on the 2100 Mhz band, in the USA on 850 or 1900 Mhz
so it would make sense fo the phones to work world wide since the GSM used both of the us frequencies and in EU they have to add the 2100 freq.... again here's to hoping.
since this is supposedly quad band would you think that being so it would support the us version of HSDPA?
the wizard will never do hsdpa as it can't do UMTS which is the basis of hsdpa. HTC Hermes is the wizard replacement that does hsdpa.
I am very confused. my phone does not connect to 3g AT ALL.I have tmobile in usa in new york and I tried changing the settings in my phone options from gsm to wcdma and default the umts to 2100 and my phone stays on searching for service.. Can anyone help me out?? I want to be at 3g speeds not gprs... tmobile gprs is way too slow and it only works on GSM mode.. How do i connect to 3g with this phone? I updated my radio from 1.15 to 1.18 and I am getting the same exact results. This thing is driving me crazy, it just doesnt make sense.. someone please help me out, id greatly appreciate it
EDIT: Nevermind, i realized all of us HTC UNIVERSAL users are completely screwd because USA Supports only 1700-1900 Bands and the HTC UNIVERSAL only uses 2100mhz Bands.. NO 3G HTC UNIVERSAL IN THE USA. THIS SO SUCKS MAN.. =.-(
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I am very confused. my phone does not connect to 3g AT ALL.I have tmobile in usa in new york and I tried changing the settings in my phone options from gsm to wcdma and default the umts to 2100 and my phone stays on searching for service.. Can anyone help me out?? I want to be at 3g speeds not gprs... tmobile gprs is way too slow and it only works on GSM mode.. How do i connect to 3g with this phone? I updated my radio from 1.15 to 1.18 and I am getting the same exact results. This thing is driving me crazy, it just doesnt make sense.. someone please help me out, id greatly appreciate it
EDIT: Nevermind, i realized all of us HTC UNIVERSAL users are completely screwd because USA Supports only 1700-1900 Bands and the HTC UNIVERSAL only uses 2100mhz Bands.. NO 3G HTC UNIVERSAL IN THE USA. THIS SO SUCKS MAN.. =.-(
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From what I have read on the Internet and speaking to a well knowledged person at a T-Mobile store the 1700 & 2100 AWS will be deployed in the United States. This is the same technology used in Europe on the 2100 UMTS WCDMA frequency. The T-Mobile representative had mentioned that New York City was using the 1700 AWS UMTS Frequency for voice & data but will also be deploying the 2100 Frequency later this year or early next year which last year T-Mobile was the highest bidder at the AWS auction and had also purchased this frequency but which originally the 2100 frequency was used by the government only for satellite transmission. Once the 2100 Frequency is deployed your radio will search for and if available find the 2100 frequency and connect to it automatically. You do not have to get a different sim card like AT&T which you have to purchase a 3G sim card. I am also anxious to get that frequency but is not yet available in my area. The best radio version is 1.15.
very very interesting... i cant wait till that comes then..
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The best radio version is 1.15.
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I disagree, usually with most software the higher the version number the better, and there is no evidence that 1.18 is any worse than 1.15 at all. I've been using 1.18 for around 1 year with no problems.
I was use a lot of times for search wcdma network name in shanghai , beijing or hongkong.
first , you need insert USIM card ,not SIM card to handset.USIM card is Support reg to WCDMA or GSM network.
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From what I have read on the Internet and speaking to a well knowledged person at a T-Mobile store the 1700 & 2100 AWS will be deployed in the United States. This is the same technology used in Europe on the 2100 UMTS WCDMA frequency. The T-Mobile representative had mentioned that New York City was using the 1700 AWS UMTS Frequency for voice & data but will also be deploying the 2100 Frequency later this year or early next year which last year T-Mobile was the highest bidder at the AWS auction and had also purchased this frequency but which originally the 2100 frequency was used by the government only for satellite transmission. Once the 2100 Frequency is deployed your radio will search for and if available find the 2100 frequency and connect to it automatically. You do not have to get a different sim card like AT&T which you have to purchase a 3G sim card. I am also anxious to get that frequency but is not yet available in my area. The best radio version is 1.15.
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You're post has been the most insightful writeup in regards to T-mobile US 3G I've ever came across, Many thanks!
Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....
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Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....
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Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...
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Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...
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Interesting.......no tweaks?
Just have to see....3G won't be available in my area until the beginning of the year anyway
UPDATE:
T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.
Anybody in the northwest US able to connect to T-Mobile's 3G network?
I try to force my band to WCDMA and specify the UMTS freq as 2100, but then it simply doesn't seem to want to register with the network. When I set it to auto, it appears to simply be using GPRS.
Somewhat related, anybody know of a way to force displaying an icon indicating EDGE vs default GPRS connection?
Edit: I just recalled that there's no EDGE support on the Uni, unless I'm mistaken, so disregard that...
Edit (again): So if I'm understanding this properly... The Uni only operates on UMTS/WCDMA/whatever 2100, not 1700, which T-Mobile US uses. It was designed for uk/other 3G usage, not future US 3G usage. So we've got 3G support outside the US, but as far as I can tell - we shouldn't be able to use 3G in the US, at least on T-Mobile's network, since they're using 1700 mhz band/AWS range, and the 2100 mhz band used elsewhere is not compatible. I THINK. I'm honestly just learning about this sort of thing now as I go, despite having had my Uni for a while and having known about T-Mobile rolling out 3G coverage for some time.
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UPDATE:
T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.
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Could you give some more details on this?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the deal is basically, as postulated by orb3000 - no 3G for US Universal users.
I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.
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I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.
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Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.
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Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.
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So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?
Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/
Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone.
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So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?
Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/
Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone.
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T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.
Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....
I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.
3G Coverage U.S 2100 Frequency With The Univerisal
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T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.
Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....
I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.
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I have a Qtek 9000 and am waiting for the 3G coverage for my area with T-Mobile which should be in the spring of 2009. Over the past few years I have done a great deal of research on this and have also spoken to very knowledgeable Tier 3 T-Mobile staff that are familiar with this and this is what they told me. The universal will work on the 2100 frequency with T-Mobile. T-Mobile will be using the 1700 & 2100 frequency bands in the U.S. for 3G frequency. I know when I visited my relatives in Germany in 2004 Year in the summer as I can speak, read & write German as good as English even though I am first generation in the U.S. which I visit my relatives every 5 years and due to visit them in the summer of 2009 year. The 2100 band was already released in the spring of 2004 year in Germany. But since T-Mobile has only certain cities available that have the 3G coverage in the U.S. which is spotty at this time. Since the T-Mobile G1 was deployed in October this should make the rollout faster in the U.S. for the 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency. Can you please confirm on your I-mate Jasjar on what your 3G speeds are? They should be at least 384 k.p.s. It is also nice to know that the send & receive data, voice & data are not slit between the two bands of 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency.
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Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then.
Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?
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Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then.
Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?
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I have it set on Auto.
this is interesting stuff, i just got my jasjar as an anniversary gift from my girlfriend and i love the device however anyone that has used HSDPA which i had on my kaiser before i sold it 500-900k going to GPRS has been something that would make one want to cry, and its good news to hear this because i need some form of high speed again, and i'd like to confirm this working because i am going to get a t-mobile prepaid or flex paid sim ASAP to get this going, i am in new york anyone from around here to confirm 2100Mhz?
also anyone able to do a screenshot ?
Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.
I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.
Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?
Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.
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Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.
I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.
Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?
Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.
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The 3G indicators don't work on the 6.1 Roms I use. I havent tried any of the WM 5 roms to see if their indicators work
The MMS connect, I had to change it from T-Mobile MMS to the Internet to send/receive multimedia.
I have the 19.99 unlimited data plan.
I use epc.tmobile.com
Are there any other US Uni users in different areas who can report 3G connectivity?
Thus far I've found my own interactions with T-Mobile tech support to be thoroughly useless in getting any sort of details on AWS/3G/2100mhz deployment (maybe I'm just not talking to the right people?)
So, a couple weeks later (and still impatient ) - anyone else in the US with a Universal able to access T-Mobile's 3G network?
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Interesting. 3G has a maximum of 384Kbs to get faster you need HSDPA which AFAIK the Uni does not have...
i would like to know as well i am going to be off of ATT by the 10th of January and i am in nyc i would really like to know so i can make the switch ASAP
Hello, I bought my unlock code on ebay for my AT&T Pure, great deal for under $4.00. I am using it with T-mobile U.S.A. but I don't seem to get 3G. Is that normal? (or is it like the G1 issue that doesn't get 3G on AT&T?)
Besides that, Is the T-mobile's HTC TouchPro2 rom compatible with the Pure? If so, how can I CID unlock my pure in order to accept the rom?
Thanks
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Hello, I bought my unlock code on ebay for my AT&T Pure, great deal for under $4.00. I am using it with T-mobile U.S.A. but I don't seem to get 3G. Is that normal? (or is it like the G1 issue that doesn't get 3G on AT&T?)
Besides that, Is the T-mobile's HTC TouchPro2 rom compatible with the Pure? If so, how can I CID unlock my pure in order to accept the rom?
Thanks
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You may want to try some different radios for your 3G issue.
As far as your ROM, a TP2 ROM would not work on a TD2, If you want to flash a TD2 ROM, I suggest reading the flashing guide on the Wiki for instructions on Hard SPL.
I see, but a touchpro2 rom won't work because I have to hard spl first? or because it is just no compatible? and also, where can I get a working radio for my 3g?
You will never get T-Mobile 3G on a Pure. It lacks the radio spectrum. AT&T and TMobile use different 3G frequency bands.
You cannot use a rom built from another device. A Rhodium rom won't flash on your Topaz rom.
You have an AT&T Specific device built for use on AT&T's network. You can flash other compatible RADIOS if you unlock it (which won't magically give you Tmobile 3G), but you'll brick your phone if you flash the wrong rom on it.
Maybe you can sell the Pure on ebay or craiglist and buy a Tmobile Rhodium.
"You can flash other compatible RADIOS if you unlock it (which won't magically give you Tmobile 3G), but you'll brick your phone if you flash the wrong rom on it."
so when you say that... is there a possibility that I can flash a compatible radio that wont brick my phone and get 3G?
No radio flash will solve your problem. TMO 3G compatibility is a hardware issue, not software problem you can solve.
There are plenty of TD2 ROMs here, so you should have enough selection. Make sure you do HSPL first before try any ROM.
T mobile uses 3g 1700
t mobile uses 3g 1700 frequency and at&t uses 3g 850 or 3g 1900
htc pure only supports 3g 850 and 3g 1900
I am trying to understand what the difference is between the frequencies that are used for 3G data for AT&T vs carriers like TMobile and Cincinnati Bell Wireless (CBW) and the specs I see on GSMArena such as "3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100".
Phone from Cincinnati Bell and TMobile are compatible on both networks as far as 3G data is concerned but neither apparently work with AT&T (and visa-versa).
If AT&T uses 850 or 1900 then that fits with the specs I reference above. If T Mobile uses 1700/2100 and requires both bands to work then I get why the above specs don't work as 1700 is missing. I think Cincinnati Bell is also 1700/2100 and assuming it required both I would understand.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S (aka vibrant) from CBW that is listed on GSMArena as "3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100" and for which operates on CBWs network as 3G. CBWs website advertises the phone as running 900/2100 which fits the specs as well.
I tried using an AT&T phone with specs "3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100" which I see as a "super set" of the Samsungs but can not get 3G. Is it possible that AT&T does something to lock out the 900 and 2100 since it does not use them and that somehow they can be turned on so the phone will work with another network?
Hi all,
Mostly a lurker here over the years, love the site and forums - great community! I'm running latest JG4 Optus on my SGS with the new "2200 score" lagfix - awesome!
Anyone else getting really slow data on Telstra? I have tried telstra.wap telstra.corp telstra.internet telstra.iph all of these AP's give extremely slow data, and the phone symbol at the top flicks between 'H' (assume HSDPA) and 3G at times. I'm talking 0.4mpbs.
My friend is on Optus and his *cough* iPhone is getting 4.45mbps, in comparison my speed is nowhere near this speed. I am in metro Melbourne.
Anyone else have slow Telstra experience or know a trick or setting to help out - would be much appreciated!
Thanks all.
i could be wrong, but i dont think the galaxy s supports telstra network very well, if at all. dunno, not real tecchy, but its what ive heard round the traps. something to do with the bands the phone supports (900/2100 or 2200ish) and telstra is 850 something or other. smarter people than me will be able to clarify.
Correct, Telstra uses 850mhz and 2100 (apparently). But, only some variants support 850, and Telstra are releasing their own for that frequency. So I'd imagine that 2100 simply has lower coverage (Optus on the otherhand uses the more standard 900mhz frequency).
If you already own the phone, you may wish to consider moving to an optus based network (such as Exetel for Virgin). However, it is also entirely possible/probable that the galaxy S ships with a chip that supports 850mhz, and it simply needs to be enabled (I have seen threads which showed a way to apparently enable it).
Or, it may be just reception probs
Hi, thanks for the input...
According to http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...dex.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification the phone does support 850 and 2100. Strange
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Hi, thanks for the input...
According to http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...dex.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification the phone does support 850 and 2100. Strange
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It possibly does, but which country did you purchase it in? Remember, some countries might have had it disabled (because they don't use 850, or have other services on those frequencies).
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It possibly does, but which country did you purchase it in? Remember, some countries might have had it disabled (because they don't use 850, or have other services on those frequencies).
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Hi Andrew Purchased in Australia from Allphones "unlocked". Tried the 850 band turn on and various other fiddles in that debug/phone settings area relating to 3G and HSDPA - unfortunately the max I've seen on Telstra is 0.40Mbps, my friend gets 4.45Mbps on iPhone/Optus
Coverage in my area is usually great, I'm in Melb metro area and normally full bars.
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Hi Andrew Purchased in Australia from Allphones "unlocked". Tried the 850 band turn on and various other fiddles in that debug/phone settings area relating to 3G and HSDPA - unfortunately the max I've seen on Telstra is 0.40Mbps, my friend gets 4.45Mbps on iPhone/Optus
Coverage in my area is usually great, I'm in Melb metro area and normally full bars.
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mate it might be worth a look over at whirlpool forums, they seem to have a fair bit of stuff about telstra and the galaxy s over there, so you should hopefully find some help
Hi, thanks for all the information, heres the low down:
Telstra has WCDMA 2100 and 850 bands, but the Galaxy S badged versions of this phone only support quad band in GSM, it is triband on WCDMA and unfortunately 850 isn't supported Telstra will be selling a different version of this phone shortly ("Captivate" badge!?!?!?) which WILL support their 3.5G 850 network at full speed.
Bummer!