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Really a poor machine.... XDAII

Written from Hong Kong. I've bought a XDAII two weeks before and I believe it should be well combined by O2 and Microsoft. After one week, I really found it as an extremely poor manufactured one. Many defects I found:
1. Always hanged. After a long time I haven't used the phone, then I tried to switch on the screen and I found it hanged... Someone called me but I couldn't know!! It hanged 3 to 5 times per day. What a poor machine is it??
2. Bluetooth handicapped. I've matched the phone with different bluetooth headset such as HBH200, HB65 and Nokia. No one could be perfect matched and the phone always couldn't recognize the headset.
3. Sound quality. Poor... Worst than my old fashioned phone, Nokia 8850, disconnect even in MTR!!
So, I sold it immediately after 2 weeks!! I'll never buy the product from O2 again!! I've sent an email to O2 but no one reply me. I'm very disappointed with the phone and its producer.

I am from Hong Kong , too.
Obviously, you don't know how to optimize your machine.
1. My XDA2 never hang for unknown reason. There are few software conflict with the phone. If I uninstalled those software, the phone works perfectly. My phone is extremely stable right now and no miss call.
I recommand you install scarybear software's WM2003 nofitication utility to improve the performance of your XDA2. It seems XDA2 is affected by this BUG VERY MUCH.
http://www.scarybearsoftware.com/ppc_cn_overview.html
Install both of the software to fix the WM2003 notification bug.
Moreover, DON'T install PIEPlus if you do so. THe current version (1.11) slow down the XDA2 very much.
2. I want to know what is "Perfect Match" . HBH-65 works perfectly with my XDA2. Moreover, I want to know what "recognize" you mean. If you want to say you can't bond/pair the headset, please set the headset in pair mode (please read the manual of the headset) .
3. I strongly believe XDA2 has the best sound quality. All mobile I used beforce is not as good as it (Motrola DB8800 / StarTac / V3688 , Ericsson T28/ T39 / T68, Nokia 8210 / 8850). I used 8850 before, it's sound quality is quite poor.
Maybe it's your device's own problem, I think you should return for another one.
Moreover, I sent emails to myxda.com 2 times, they replied me everytime.

Thanks a lot... I bought it from CSL and I've checked with the experts from it. They also said that there are some bugs regarding the hardware and software. The response with bluetooth headset is poor on average, which we've checked with nos. of new machine from CSL. They've asked O2 for suggestion but they can't help. Never mind, it's just my own personal experience.
I've used iPAQ 5450 before and listened to MP3 music, its sound quality is much better than XDAII. It's true, you could try it.
Has anyone faced the same problems?

franciscwlau said:
I've used iPAQ 5450 before and listened to MP3 music, its sound quality is much better than XDAII. It's true, you could try it.
Has anyone faced the same problems?
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I agree with you, XDA2's sound qaulity (Audio output, not voice quality) is not as good as ipaq. However, did you test it with another earphone?
The original handsfree's qaulity is ..........
(Yes, I know, even with other earphone (with a modified handsfree / 2.5" => 3.5" adaptor) , the qaulity still not real good.
Moreover, the qaulity of the machine doesn't match the price. Too many bugs for a HK$6688 / US $800 machines....

The sad fact is these latest PDA/phones are getting so smart they are more akin to owning a computer than a phone which unlike with the typical blokia means you need more than an ounce of brains to run it.
ho-hum.....

2 weeks isn't long to get to know a smart phone..
The bad
The XDAII is unreliable, crashes frequently, is a brick, battery life is dismal.
THE GOOD.
I can get by with one device on my belt + BT GPS in my hat. I don't need to carry camera, PDA,phone and GPS. Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
It will get better..

Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
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but one pretty expensive item

well , I also faceded phone hangs every 1 or 2 days and the only way I could do is to do a hard reset(evern softreset can not be done), so after about 10 times hard reset and not install any apps, I send it back to HK for maint. I love XDAII, it is really a powerful PPC and phone, just not stable enough, maybe it is too frag.
I hope it could be fixed, some one said that after a rom upgrade, it become more stable, I believe it is true. now, the only thing I could do is to pray for it.

XDA II not so bad!!
I owned XDA II for 2 weeks. Initially, I tried to install many many software and caused system hang for a few times. However, after I have tried the best-suit software for me and installed one by one. The system didn't hang for a week.
128MB Ram provided a really good perforamce. I felt that it is a little bit faster than HP2210.
MP3 sound is ok with the given headset as the Treible is a bit high. I believed that it could be improved by changing the headset.
There is no need for me to bring a mobile phone, a PDA. Most of the people used to bring mobile phone everyday. However, they would forget to bring the PDA or not bring in weekend. After a period of time, the PDA will be on the desk for a month, then in the drawer for a year....
All-in-one is really good.
I agreed that O2 should tune the machine better before release to make it more user-friendly.
The thing I felt not good is the voice from the earpiece. Sometimes, there were some GI..GI sound during phone call (mostly girl voice). I suspected that there are something like a spring that resonance with the earpiece and caused the GI..GI sound. I would also due to the over-volume on the earpiece.
Does anyone experience the GI....GI sound? I tried to go to the dealer and test another handset, same kind of GI..GI sound was found.
Besides, I can't find anyone TV Remote that could work with XDA II. I will give the software company more time....
sohand

I am from Hong Kong too. I bought it at CSL. The machine was great FOR TWO WEEKS. Everything before that moment was fine until it decided to commit suicide. I really mean it becuase all of a sudden the screen darkened and no response at all no matter what I did, soft or hard reset didn't help. (I didn't install a single software in it). So I took it back to CSL and they were happy to swap it with a new unit. The new unit has been functioning well until now (touch wood). Overall I love this product (except price) except I don't know when my little baby decides to leave me.
Here are some of my comments on the machine:
GOOD:
- Phone reception has been excellent. Even better than many Nokias.
- Most powerful PPC + phone combo. No doubt.
- I did consider SE P900 which looks stylish. But I hate Sony which force the user to use the extremely expensive Memory Stick Duo.
- Lots of 3rd party software, comparing to Symbian OS.
- I like the indepedent volume control of the main and phone vol. and is a huge improvement over my XDA I.
- Also, the brightness can be adjusted for different level, unlike only on/off for XDA I.
- The handwriting recognition is quite good. I don't like the graffti in Palm cause I have to enter each letter which is very slow. I can write a whole sentence in my PPC.
- I don't like the 'hanging' problem. It doesn't crash without reason. (except the 1st unit suddenly died).
- The battery life has improved dramatically compared to XDA I, but still no match for SE P900.
BAD:
- No profile feature.
- Service codes (e.g. **21*phone no.# for call forward in HK) can't be entered in speed dial. It is very useful but I can't understand why my 1/10th priced SE T100 can do it but my XDA II can't!
- There is a slide button in Treo that can switch the phone from loud to silent in one touch. I don't know why the designer can't just copy good things from others.
- MP3 will pause when a phone call comes. In XDA I, the music resumes after the call, but the music will pause after the call for XDA and you need to press a button. It's plain stupid that the XDA II is worse than I.
- Again, one can switch the phone on/off by pressing the 'End Call' button. But in XDA II, you have to click the antenna icon on screen and wait for the dialogue box appears (which takes years to appear).
- It is simply RIDICULOUS that closing a program is not really closing it. To be fair, it is PPC problem not O2. What's the logic for going to the memory screen to close a program?
Any comments?

I do experient GIGI sound during I used my headset.
Do you guys in HK used any Chinese input app such as CE-Star or Monster Chinese?

Hi,
I am actually from Hong Kong also and bought the second batch, English revision ...
1. Obviously the "hang" problem might be related to (1) you've installed s/w that are not compatible with WM2003 (like Chinese system) or because of the WM2003 System Event Bug. As killercheung suggested, there are always workaround and O2 should not be blamed (because it is M$ OS ...)
2. Personally I used HBH-200 and have no intermittent bonding problem as you described. Yes, the CALLER-ID and CALLER LIST won't work as expected (because of the required bluetooth profile does not exist in XDA2), but other than that, it's working as expected. I know Nokia's Bluetooth have numerous problems but it is Nokia's problem, not XDA2.
3. The sound quality is good. My wife said it is TOO LOUD ...
Yes there are a lot of bugs in the OS and ROM itself but I think nothing in PDA field can match XDA2 at this moment. When compare with PDA functions, s/w support etc, even P900 is no match.
franciscwlau said:
Written from Hong Kong. I've bought a XDAII two weeks before and I believe it should be well combined by O2 and Microsoft. After one week, I really found it as an extremely poor manufactured one. Many defects I found:
1. Always hanged. After a long time I haven't used the phone, then I tried to switch on the screen and I found it hanged... Someone called me but I couldn't know!! It hanged 3 to 5 times per day. What a poor machine is it??
2. Bluetooth handicapped. I've matched the phone with different bluetooth headset such as HBH200, HB65 and Nokia. No one could be perfect matched and the phone always couldn't recognize the headset.
3. Sound quality. Poor... Worst than my old fashioned phone, Nokia 8850, disconnect even in MTR!!
So, I sold it immediately after 2 weeks!! I'll never buy the product from O2 again!! I've sent an email to O2 but no one reply me. I'm very disappointed with the phone and its producer.
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Re: XDA II not so bad!!
Hi,
I heard there is NO remote controller s/w supporting XDA2 at this moment, people are saying that it does not have consumer-infrared support ...
BTW, I think the GI GI sound is normal ... although mine don't have.
sohand said:
I owned XDA II for 2 weeks. Initially, I tried to install many many software and caused system hang for a few times. However, after I have tried the best-suit software for me and installed one by one. The system didn't hang for a week.
128MB Ram provided a really good perforamce. I felt that it is a little bit faster than HP2210.
MP3 sound is ok with the given headset as the Treible is a bit high. I believed that it could be improved by changing the headset.
There is no need for me to bring a mobile phone, a PDA. Most of the people used to bring mobile phone everyday. However, they would forget to bring the PDA or not bring in weekend. After a period of time, the PDA will be on the desk for a month, then in the drawer for a year....
All-in-one is really good.
I agreed that O2 should tune the machine better before release to make it more user-friendly.
The thing I felt not good is the voice from the earpiece. Sometimes, there were some GI..GI sound during phone call (mostly girl voice). I suspected that there are something like a spring that resonance with the earpiece and caused the GI..GI sound. I would also due to the over-volume on the earpiece.
Does anyone experience the GI....GI sound? I tried to go to the dealer and test another handset, same kind of GI..GI sound was found.
Besides, I can't find anyone TV Remote that could work with XDA II. I will give the software company more time....
sohand
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I'm from Taiwan, but my XDA II was bought from HK.
You can find that some applications lag or crash when executing on the XDA II. That's because XDA II has too many pre-loaded applications in memory. So, if you want to make your XDA II run faster, just get to the "startup" directory under the "Windows" directory, and delete some AP shortcuts which are unnecessary. Then, you will find that your XDA II runs much faster than ever.

Rudegar said:
Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
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but one pretty expensive item
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That is why God invented insurance

XDA 2 reliability
I haven't installed many apps other than tomtom nav 2. The supplied apps are good enough fo me. It only crashes about twice a day, not bad for an MS product, I can live with it. I still use nokia as my main phone.

I am not from HongKong or Taiwan but I can imagine that people who don't have experience with PocketPC's and the XDA I in particular have problems with the general use of the machine.......
I think it is a great device. The only problem is that it is driven by a Microsoft OS which is still in its childhood. And knowing MS it probably will never get out of it..........

BarnOwl said:
I am not from HongKong or Taiwan but I can imagine that people who don't have experience with PocketPC's and the XDA I in particular have problems with the general use of the machine.......
I think it is a great device. The only problem is that it is driven by a Microsoft OS which is still in its childhood. And knowing MS it probably will never get out of it..........
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Hi,
You could tolerate the hanging twice per day!! Sorry, I really can't accept this happen anymore. I do think it's the problem of MS, but O2 should take some responsibilities reagarding it. I've used the iPAQ before, it would not hang as I've installed many many softwares on it. The most important point is you don't know when it would hang. You don't know who called you before... Tragedy... Now, I'm using P900 and it's much much better. The software running is very stable and I could still install many useful softwares on it, except the ms reader. I really recommend to buy the P900 if you desire to have a trustful phone + PDA... Although you have to sacrify some functions.

I really recommend to buy the P900 if you desire to have a trustful phone
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Until you try and buy a 256M or 512M mem stick duo.
P900, nice idea, poorly implemented.

Animated Today

Ive just been trying out Animated Today 3 (which seems to work great), and I was wondering if anyone has any other animated themes, the ones that come with the program are OK, not whay you would call inspiring.
I wonder if there are any sites about for them, there seems to be alot of sites that charge for them, but there must be some free ones (as there is on normal Today Themes), or perhaps someone has some good ones.

http://www.free-computer-wallpapers.com/pocket-pc.htm
http://www.pocketpcmall.com/product_info.php?products_id=177&SID
http://www.pocketpcthemes.com/animated.asp
google give more hits on such a search then even sheep fullfrontal nudety!
http://www.google.dk/search?q=pocketpc+theme+animated&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=da&btnG=Google-søgning

Whoah! They look like resource hogs to me!
An animated Today screen must be one very distracting accessory for your PDA...

yeah
but you must admit, its really nice to look at on your desk, its like "its a life"

i cant help thinking well and now saying
batt time killers

No problem
Its not such a problem when it is in the cradle

yeah but unless it's a cradle in a car with gps and such then
if it's in the cradle all the time then why have a pda at all?
mine is only in the cradle to sync with my computer and to charge
otherwise it's in my pocket
it is called a Pocket Digital Assistant

Rudegar said:
yeah but unless it's a cradle in a car with gps and such then
if it's in the cradle all the time then why have a pda at all?
mine is only in the cradle to sync with my computer and to charge
otherwise it's in my pocket
it is called a Pocket Digital Assistant
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For what its worth I think it's Personal Digital Assistant but I take your point

ups yeah now that i think of it, that makes more sense
otherwise my midget accountant who also fit in my pocket
would also meet those requirements
but he don?t offer any digital options as of yet

Craddle to craddle
My one goes from office craddle to car craddle to home craddle and at night I use it as a very good mp3 player and to play games on it. that is what you do when you travel 5 days a week
I feel like its my buddy, I do everything with it

night I use it as a very good mp3 player and to play games on it.
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you listen to mp3 and play games while or insted of sleeping ?
I feel like its my buddy, I do everything with it
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what ever you do dont take showers with it that is unless you gotten hold of some water resistant solution
i try to use mine to remember all those rather insignificant things I always forget 15.3 sec's after being told them
and to replace my not anywhere near flawless system of getting peoples phoneNR's writing them on a small postIT without applying any name put it in my pocket and take it for granted that when I get my hands of that postIT next time I?ll be able to remember who the nr is for
and also keep sheep and goat porn on
and to brag by showing people it can play
quake and tomb raider (even if it does take a soft reset to get out of that game )
and of cause mp3 player and to replace my old cell phone of cause
and my trusting old hp48 calc that is when I get the software running under mw2003 L
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Some things are still missing
Now i keep using my HP19BII, cannot live without that.
But i am still looking for that trail version of voice command, because in the dark its pretty difficult to switch that mp3 player off, and would also be easier to check e-mails.
And yes its very easy to quickly dot things down which you'r wife tells you to remember (like birthdays etc) , and things to take home from the airport

Ive used it today for the first time away from its charger and although it does eat up memory abit(alot with some Themes), and perhaps a few % extra on the battery, it seems OK.
Ive had it running on the Today screen and started up a game, and it makes no difference to the game play (which version 2 did) - I think when there is another program being used and it not displaying the Today screen it stops all animation.
It quiet a pointless program really, but it shuts up all those people with a Samsung phone

lummac said:
I feel like its my buddy, I do everything with it
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I dunno bout all that :?
Rudegar said:
i try to use mine to remember all those rather insignificant things I always forget 15.3 sec's after being told them
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its seriously insane, but that is wut i use it 4 too, that actually is of any real "assistance" to me
Rudegar said:
and also keep sheep and goat porn on
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...4 this one...I just replace the goat with extreme
Rudegar said:
and to brag by showing people it can play
quake and tomb raider (even if it does take a soft reset to get out of that game )
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i brag about games on it too, but i try to keep the bragging down to a minimum :wink: especially wen i bust out all my NES, SNES, SMS, GEN, GBA roms lol

I test it tonight
I going home now, and will test it tonight, if i still have a working mda2 in the morning it will stay onit, if not, i will kick it off, simple test, great results

I keep it on
Tried it last night, and it doesn't eat my battery power, so it can stay on my mda2
Now i will be looking for some nice animated today screens. Pitty however that other background like in mailbox etc do not change, or are there other programs out there to change those backgrounds

Why cant we take the lock device on wake off one phone and place on another?

Ok excuse e but i dont know the first thing about this stuff but you guys do some crazy things with these phones I would think you could take the device lock features off of say a treo 700w where the phone locks on suspend and locks the screen during a call and put it on a mogul/titan/ppc6800/any other phone. And YES i know there are to "devicelock" apps and slide2unock but niether work as well as the one built into the treo i had. i like the titan much better but cant san getting off the phone and having the digital clock changed to anolog and all kinds of crap open. I would try to conquer this myself but i havent the faintest clue as where to even start. thanks even just an explanation as to why this wouldnt work would be great

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Ok excuse e but i dont know the first thing about this stuff but you guys do some crazy things with these phones I would think you could take the device lock features off of say a treo 700w where the phone locks on suspend and locks the screen during a call and put it on a mogul/titan/ppc6800/any other phone. And YES i know there are to "devicelock" apps and slide2unock but niether work as well as the one built into the treo i had. i like the titan much better but cant san getting off the phone and having the digital clock changed to anolog and all kinds of crap open. I would try to conquer this myself but i havent the faintest clue as where to even start. thanks even just an explanation as to why this wouldnt work would be great
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Excuse me.

sk8boardd; said:
Ok excuse e but i dont know the first thing about this stuff but you guys do some crazy things with these phones I would think you could take the device lock features off of say a treo 700w where the phone locks on suspend and locks the screen during a call and put it on a mogul/titan/ppc6800/any other phone. And YES i know there are to "devicelock" apps and slide2unock but niether work as well as the one built into the treo i had. i like the titan much better but cant san getting off the phone and having the digital clock changed to anolog and all kinds of crap open. I would try to conquer this myself but i havent the faintest clue as where to even start. thanks even just an explanation as to why this wouldnt work would be great
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I'm sorry but punctuation and paragraphs works wonders...
Device locking is but something we all have are particular preference to. I use S2U and I still find it to be one of the best things to hit my phone. Some people still like to hit "Device Lock" and unlock it the usual way. Other's might like using the password feature of WM.
So if you ask me, not many people would want to use the screen locking features of the Treo because maybe it doesn't appeal to them as just turning off the phone and having itself lock down anyway since its in hibernate. If it wasn't made, then it hasn't crossed a software developers mind yet to use it applicably.
This is the only explanation I can give you really, since after the clock's explanation in your post didn't make sense to me grammatically...

If you have the problem that I also had, that you open all kind of apps while phoning. the solution is very simple:
after picking up the call push the power button. the call will remain but the screen and all buttons are swiched off

paragraph schmaragraph im not an english major nor anything even close. you obviously understood so i dont see the need. But thank you for the input. and thanks for the turning the screen off idea i think i will try it.

Waiting Calls Indication?? Why Absent??

Hi every one
I have a question since I have got to use PDAs and now the Hermes "JasJam"
actually, a very important feature is missing from this wonderful set which is:
THE INDICATION OF WAITING CALLS
In spite of the fact that the manufacturer has already known this and u can reach it through..... setting .... personal ..... phone .... services ...call waiting .... "notify me"
even if u tick this option, but u cant get any notification of waiting call, actually this is very embarrassing to keep calling someone who had an important call simultaneously to your call .... but the problem is when he is unable to cut it and answer u !!!!
and in this time, (because u havent that FANTASTIC feature of indicating a waiting call) u keep calling this one until he get crazy and shout:
STOP CALLING MAN !!! I CANT GET UR CALL BECAUSE I HAVE A VIP CALL .... DONT U SEE A WAITING INDICATION??
u have to see my full red face in this moment ....
anyway, I'd like to hear your comments accordingly !!

Call waiting -> Notify Me only works for incoming calls to your phone and this setting is for switching this on or off on the operator side. It will not show if the party you are calling has call waiting enabled. At least not with HTC 's 3.54.255.3 WWE ROM and 1.48.00.10 radio.

I had a sony ericson phone that used to do this... I loved it! It was probably the only thing I missed when I gave it up for my 8525....
If I called someone that was talking to another person it would beep and say that the caller was on the other line... it was so cool, I used to freak people out , they thought I had ESPN!
That's my 2 cents, but I figured it was manufacturer dependent...if anyone knows how to enable such a feature that would be great.

actually, this is so strange for a high reputed company just like HTC to miss this useful feature !!
I had a sony ericson phone that used to do this... I loved it! It was probably the only thing I missed when I gave it up for my 8525....
If I called someone that was talking to another person it would beep and say that the caller was on the other line... it was so cool, I used to freak people out , they thought I had ESPN
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in fact, not only sony Ericson do that .... all Nokia phones (even the model 3310 which was released in 1999) got this feature !!!
For HTC, we always hear about upgradings, new O.S, new ROMs, new Radio Roms ..... while the fundamental issues are neglected ... or at least not being dicussed at all ... !!
for business uses, if your cell phone (PDA, mobile... whatever) has'nt the standard features of a real phone, then it considered paralyzed
I've got hermes, and Im proud of it .... but all of us hope from the manufacturer to think right, and to update in the right side ..... it is important to have a good utilities of cell phone better than changing graphics & icons ..... and that what we usualy got from HTC and other companies:
upgrading in APPEARANCE not ROOTS
Hope everyone comment ..... in order to reach a friendly discussion

I'm starting to hate the HD

it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hitting links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto device storage rather than card storage for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and encode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You can't put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. You have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D completely takes over the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointless unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.

think you have a defective HD
gt112 said:
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hittig links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto the device for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and decode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You cant put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. YOu have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D it completely take sover the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointlss unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
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Your HD is defective

wfhowell said:
Your HD is defective
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or perhaps its just not fit for purpose. if it is defective, then wouldn't it be nice of htc or expansys to respond to my email ?

defective
gt112 said:
or perhaps its just not fit for purpose. if it is defective, then wouldn't it be nice of htc or expansys to respond to my email ?
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I wouldnt email. I would call them if its defective...Or talk to the place where you got it for a refund.

I dont think its defective, I think it is a poor product

His soounds about the same as mine. It isn't defective that's just how they are.

Looking at your post history I can only see *****ing and moaning during the past few days.
You are just trolling now.

Is this your first WM device...
I've been using WM pda for 10 years now...the first 2-3 years..some devices are like you describe..but not nowadays..
It's either you have defective unit or you just dont know how to optimize it..
It is not like Iphone that works perfectly out of the box..

I will say no more. However the browsing and freeze ups and difficulties in using it are what I have experienced. So far my wifi works though. Most of the things I was *****ing about is what the OP is talking about so... go figure.

MAK
I'm *****ing and moaning as you put it because I have spent a lot of money on a poor product. Thus this post.
I am sorry if you think it a troll. If people want this thread removed then please feel free.

I thought he was saying I am a troll LOL Gt mine has many of the same problems don't worry about it.

I think there is a bug somewhere which hangs the device frequently. It need to be solved. If you're patient and wait, I'm sure the XDA community, with all the talents around, will solve it one day. Of course, we should also report to HTC (which someone already has, and provided the links here to them) and get a firmware update from them.
Hopefully, you also look at all the good things: your wide choice of GPS software, the fantastic office applications, the wide choice of software keybaord, etc.
If you're new to the Winmo world, I understand it could be difficult in the begining.
In you want to get away from the winmo world, your choice is iPhone, Nokia, Blackberry and the like. You need to know what your requirements are. Do not jump from one imperfect solution to another imperfect solution. Sit back to define your requirement before making your next purchase. Otherwise you will have many many more €650 down the drain.

Do you have an Hd now Steve? Also in another thread I asked if Hd will improve the software, now that it is out only devs here will fix it? That's sort of sad. I don't mean anything against the devs here I am sure you guys do a great job.

thanks to everyone who replied, god I really have started something here havn't I.
I know, be patient, its not all bad, etc etc.
But hey, look at the WiFi issue for example.
This doesn't mean I have a defective phone, It means I have a poor product.
Theres a cheap crappy chip built into the phone. That cannot be fixed with a hack or software update or a replacement

Some of your complaints such as freezing and lagginess I have also experienced. The zoom not centering and links not being clickable are certainly valid concerns. My HD behaves exactly the same. I can understand that maybe you have a bad chip as well. In another thread here some people couldn'y understand how frustrating that can be.

Great Post Eagle
eaglesteve said:
I think there is a bug somewhere which hangs the device frequently. It need to be solved. If you're patient and wait, I'm sure the XDA community, with all the talents around, will solve it one day. Of course, we should also report to HTC (which someone already has, and provided the links here to them) and get a firmware update from them.
Hopefully, you also look at all the good things: your wide choice of GPS software, the fantastic office applications, the wide choice of software keybaord, etc.
If you're new to the Winmo world, I understand it could be difficult in the begining.
In you want to get away from the winmo world, your choice is iPhone, Nokia, Blackberry and the like. You need to know what your requirements are. Do not jump from one imperfect solution to another imperfect solution. Sit back to define your requirement before making your next purchase. Otherwise you will have many many more €650 down the drain.
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Ive had a lot of WM devices too...THis one beats them all. Daughter has iphone. CUte phone, good for talking to others and music. Win Mobile is far from perfect, but its like Eagle says, weigh what you like and dont like, dont shift to another pda without counting the cost and research. Go and research some of the other phones too. Visit the forums, they have their share of problems too. For me the HD doesnt do everything i would like, some i wish improves. But there is no phone that is the perfect phone anywhere. Hope you find what you like. Not easy in the PDA world. Good luck!!

ryaninuk said:
Do you have an Hd now Steve? Also in another thread I asked if Hd will improve the software, now that it is out only devs here will fix it? That's sort of sad. I don't mean anything against the devs here I am sure you guys do a great job.
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My HD has not arrived yet, but I hope it's either today or tomorrow. The ebay seller which claims to be based in Melbourne, is apparently shipping out of Hong Kong.
There is a thread on the device hanging that I'm watching. Hopefullly someone nails the bug. I'm sure there is a bug somewhere.
When I started using my Athena, hanging was a common problem. Now it is gone. Sometimes it is due to defective storage card, sometimes it is wrong formatting parameters being used for the storage card, sometimes it is lack of optimization in the ROM... but eventually it got fixed.

gt112 said:
thanks to everyone who replied, god I really have started something here havn't I.
I know, be patient, its not all bad, etc etc.
But hey, look at the WiFi issue for example.
This doesn't mean I have a defective phone, It means I have a poor product.
Theres a cheap crappy chip built into the phone. That cannot be fixed with a hack or software update or a replacement
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Have you tried changing the setting to have best performance instead of battery life? It might just help to keep the WIFI signal a little more stable.

gt112 said:
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hitting links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto device storage rather than card storage for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and encode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You can't put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. You have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D completely takes over the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointless unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
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grandma?
ops, sorry, you sound just like her...

wfhowell said:
Ive had a lot of WM devices too...THis one beats them all. Daughter has iphone. CUte phone, good for talking to others and music. Win Mobile is far from perfect, but its like Eagle says, weigh what you like and dont like, dont shift to another pda without counting the cost and research. Go and research some of the other phones too. Visit the forums, they have their share of problems too. For me the HD doesnt do everything i would like, some i wish improves. But there is no phone that is the perfect phone anywhere. Hope you find what you like. Not easy in the PDA world. Good luck!!
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I never had any illusion thinking that HD is a perfect device. I already made a lot of noise about the small screen size (I wanted a 4.5 inch), lack of D-pad etc. But hey, we do research first, and go in with our eye open and not have false expectation.l