I am having a tough time getting my head around how WM5 reports ROM & RAM uasge. I believe the system has 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM, so...
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I would expect the memory usage to be reported like so:
Storage
Total: 128 MB
In Use: 38.54 MB
Free: 89.46 MB
Program
Total: 64 MB
In Use: 31.73 MB
Free: 32.27 MB
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But instead I get:
Storage
Total: 47.46 MB
In Use: 38.54 MB
Free: 8.92 MB
Program
Total: 44.01 MB
In Use: 31.73 MB
Free: 12.28 MB
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So what happened to 80 MB of ROM (Storage) & 20 MB of RAM (Program)? The image file (nk.nbf) in the OS installer is 80MB in size so it seems that maybe the system subtracts that amount of space and just shows it as not even being there. Am I correct in that deduction? Does that mean that the 38MB of Storage in use is all due to applications that I have installed?
If the above is true, then is the system doing the same thing with the program memory (RAM)? It caculates how much RAM the base system uses, subtracts it from the 64MB total and reports that it isn't even available? If this is the case, why doesn't the system just report 64MB total and show what the system is using? Also, when I use MemMaid to check running processes, it only reports around 11.2MB in use by the running processes. What is using the additional 20MB (in addition to the 20MB that is not even being reported)?
So...
Is there a better way (instead of MemMaid) to see what is eating up the RAM?
I have removed as much as I can find (plug-ins and such) and have it up to around 20MB free with just the essentials running. Of course there may be standard OS stuff & T-Mobile stuff running that isn't really needed, but I cant seem to see any of it. What can I do to free up as much RAM as possible?
I am running the official T-Mobile 2.26 ROM. I assume the cooked ROM images eliminate the "junk" and free up storage space, but do they also free up program memory? If so what can I expect to gain in available RAM over the T-Mobile ROM?
Thanks in Advance,
Dave
is this deja vu or did i have a psychic dream... i swear this exact same post was just covered a few days ago..... maybe its time for me to go to bed
shogunmark said:
is this deja vu or did i have a psychic dream... i swear this exact same post was just covered a few days ago..... maybe its time for me to go to bed
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Yea I posted part of it a few days ago in a thread someone else started, but wasn't getting any responses. I figured I would add more detail and see if anyone has any valuable information to help me out.
This was posted to me by another member here when I was having some troubles.. perhaps it can help you in some way...
its a program called where is my ram
check it out...
-James
c-pimp said:
This was posted to me by another member here when I was having some troubles.. perhaps it can help you in some way...
its a program called where is my ram
check it out...
-James
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Thanks, but that wasn't any help. It would shows what is being used in "Storage", but didn't show anything in the way of "Program" (RAM) usage. Even though it let you choose between RAM & ROM, it only is only looking at Storage. For instance when I selected to show only RAM it still showed the contents of my SD card.
Sl33p3r said:
c-pimp said:
This was posted to me by another member here when I was having some troubles.. perhaps it can help you in some way...
its a program called where is my ram
check it out...
-James
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Thanks, but that wasn't any help. It would shows what is being used in "Storage", but didn't show anything in the way of "Program" (RAM) usage. Even though it let you choose between RAM & ROM, it only is only looking at Storage. For instance when I selected to show only RAM it still showed the contents of my SD card.
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If you look real close windows consumes almost 78MB itself that's where a good junk has gone!
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My XDA EXEC has become sluggish, especially when i hit the start button, it takes time to come up with the drop down list. also it takes its sweet time to "power up". at times it comes up with a hite screen for a couple of seconds and then displays the windows "desktop". sometimes it comes up wtih the four color circle
can you guys help. i checked th memory settings and it shows the following
Storage
Total: 43.50 MB
In Use: 42.50 MB
Free: 1.00 MB
Program
Total: 49.93 MB
In use: 23.78 MB
Free: 26.15 MB
Free: 1.00 MB
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erm, try freeing up some space to see if things get better perhaps?
Andy
thanks for pointing me in the right direction
i found out that some ow i had started a video while talking to my friend, the video had taken up 12 MB of memory and that was the problem
i thought storage memory belonged to the card,
i guess some how the system has partitioned storage memory and program memory
dont know any micorsoft environment that can run anything on 1mb of anything
always try to keep a minimum of 10mb of everything on these devices
even IE can chew up lots if you use lots of sites, so keep clearing the ie stored cache and watch your memory, DAILY.
I have only 120mb of 180 for programs or similar on the device.
Is not very low? It have 512mb, maybe 200 for the rom or so, but 380 in use and only 120 for the user?
WWE ROM is around 280MB AFAIK. I don't know what language ROM you are using, but it definitely shouldn't use 380 MB. You should have slightly less than 200MB available.
vangrieg said:
WWE ROM is around 280MB AFAIK. I don't know what language ROM you are using, but it definitely shouldn't use 380 MB. You should have slightly less than 200MB available.
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Storage size to user is 181.6MB. However it looks like HTC install some apps that use some of this. I have only installed spb wireless monitor, resco explorer and a few other small bits and im down to 105MB
That's annoying. There are things that don't belong in ROM such as navigation software, or the silly Navipanel thingie, and some other stuff that can save around 20-30 megs in a custom ROM. Taking a brief look at the files, I can see how I can free up another 20 or 30 megs by removing other stuff without losing any functionality or the goodies. So custom ROMs will certainly improve things a bit without becoming "lite" or introducing bugs... However, it certainly sucks that they made such a device with such a small storage.
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using! LOL
When you're down to 2mb then start worrying about it?
plus there's a 2GB microSD card in the box, not the usual 32 MB card you'd get with your latest 5 MP compact camera.
I ordered myself a 16 GB card to go along anyway. Where are those 32 GB microSD cards SanDisk anounced in spring 2008 anyways?
fards said:
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using! LOL
When you're down to 2mb then start worrying about it?
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i had to hard reset my phone because the second day my memory was full
i couldn't install mobile shell 3.5
so, i think its an issue
I think this is an issue too.
I've only installed 1/2 the apps I had on my HD, and I've got just over 20MB left. I had shed-loads left on the HD, even after installing everything I want!
Don't want to start flashing ROMs on a brand new phone, but maybe a lite version is the way to go.
Just have to wait and see what the chefs cook up.
fards said:
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using!
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On my Touch HD I'm using around 180 megs of internal storage, and I don't store any documents, photos, videos or any other user files there, my SatNav app is on the storage card. So this is all taken by mail and apps.
johncmolyneux said:
maybe a lite version is the way to go.
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In this case lite ROMs seem to be the only reasonable way to go. Like I said earlier, it's easy to free up some 50-60 megs (even more actually if we remove sample pictures, some ringtones etc.) without losing functionality, and keeping the ROM quite "full". SatNav just has nothing to do in internal memory when you have 512 megs of it, I don't know what they were thinking putting it there.
don't forget to change the cache in opera to your storage card as it is set to default on internal. Also of course use storage card for mail attachments.
Hi,
I got new phone dual sim from China on wm 6.5, and in the settings/system/device information it shows 128mb of RAM, while in settings/system/memory it shows only 77. I checked 2 independent applications (cleanRam and advanced task mgr) and both of them show 77mb.
Did chinese manufacturer cheat me?
Thanks
No, you just don't understand how RAM works.
Can you please be more specific?
In my pc, running on xp I have very clear and reliable information about total ram in task manager (total, used, free), so I compare this to windows mobile. And it's different.
kriskot said:
Hi,
I got new phone dual sim from China on wm 6.5, and in the settings/system/device information it shows 128mb of RAM, while in settings/system/memory it shows only 77. I checked 2 independent applications (cleanRam and advanced task mgr) and both of them show 77mb.
Did chinese manufacturer cheat me?
Thanks
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it means your phone is using 51mb of the memory and has 77mb free memory left to use. when you scan your phone with clean ram it shows you the free ram available. same do the task manager.
I've seen this similar problem on my iPhone4 (china/clone).. it showed, 16Gb of internal/phone memory but when I tried to put a song (more or less 5mb) it showed that I was already using 60% of the total space.. and the annoying part was that it still showed the same information before I transfered the song..
I really have to agree that we are being cheated by these manufacturers..
Hi,
come on, I am not so "newbie"...
it shows 33 used+44 free=77 total, while in specification says: 128mb of RAM
kriskot said:
Hi,
come on, I am not so "newbie"...
it shows 33 used+44 free=77 total, while in specification says: 128mb of RAM
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I don't know how WinMo works (never used it), but on Android there's RAM designated to the Dalvik VM and another lot designated to the system/kernel.
I guess it's similar on WinMo, 51mb is probably being reserved for something useful.
kenishizen said:
I've seen this similar problem on my iPhone4 (china/clone).. it showed, 16Gb of internal/phone memory but when I tried to put a song (more or less 5mb) it showed that I was already using 60% of the total space.. and the annoying part was that it still showed the same information before I transfered the song..
I really have to agree that we are being cheated by these manufacturers..
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Since it's a Chinese clone it's probably using really dodgy flash memory, which is acting up, rather than an intentional modification to show a larger capacity.
I just read that WM 6.5 on start takes around 40 mb of RAM, so something independent from WM is eating my RAM, or simply does not exist physically... any idea how to check it?
They are being reserved as "pagepool" Windows Mobile caches frequently accessed files in there for quick access.
You can decided how much you want to reserve for pagepool when you flash a new rom with tool called PagePool_Changer
kriskot said:
Hi,
come on, I am not so "newbie"...
it shows 33 used+44 free=77 total, while in specification says: 128mb of RAM
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There is 128 MB of ram, but you don't get to use all of it for program memory. Some is reserverd for the page pool, the radio, hardware buffers and for the kernel/OS. The task managers just don't report the ram that you have no control over. This is how it is with all devices.
Edit: try reading this.
I am not sure how their phones work, but I do know that awhile back, I purchased a 16gb flash drive when they first came out and when I plugged it into my computer it read 4gb and even after formatting it still is only 4gb. It says 16gb on the drive itself but there is NO way that is correct. Be careful when you buy some of this Chinese garbage.
Hey there team,
Checking Settings - Applications - Running services
Is only showing 211MB used, 316MB free which gives a total of 526MB
However in device information it says 1GB.
Is anyone able to confirm on their Acer what the total memory is showing under running services?
Cheers
styxgeist said:
Hey there team,
Checking Settings - Applications - Running services
Is only showing 211MB used, 316MB free which gives a total of 526MB
However in device information it says 1GB.
Is anyone able to confirm on their Acer what the total memory is showing under running services?
Cheers
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I have the same not too sure there must be 1gb as 1. its advertised as 1gb and two its not 512mb as it would report that or a little less. maybe honeycomb isn't optimized to see 1 gb just yet?
I didn't look real close, bit when I was viewing dmesg output after boot I could see a line near the top that showed the 1GB (and two numbers that added up to 1GB). I believe that RAM is reserved for video on start up.
1gb ram
Just check in system_device info and it shows 1gb of ram
Great news!
I was hoping I didn't have a bad ram module or something
styxgeist said:
Great news!
I was hoping I didn't have a bad ram module or something
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Total RAM of this machine is 1G
Free ram will be 768MB, because 256MB is used for the dalvik-cache, you can see from the build.prop
Out from the 768MB, I think 2XXMB is used for video? Which makes the total available to applications is around 5XX MB. Please comment.
Hello all,
I am using the Energy Rom for Android Nand cLK installed. I really have this question in my mind since a very long time never discussed about it though..
The phone by default has 768 Mb of space but then whenever I happen to see in the task manager it shows me 404 Mb where is the rest of the space gone...
I mean i wish to know that is it a current limitation or that's all we can use for android coz when i was using WiMo 6.5 i used to see the entire space show up in task manager..
Kindly give me some input..
I am also attaching the screenshot of my phone.. space..
vikasraj said:
Hello all,
I am using the Energy Rom for Android Nand cLK installed. I really have this question in my mind since a very long time never discussed about it though..
The phone by default has 768 Mb of space but then whenever I happen to see in the task manager it shows me 404 Mb where is the rest of the space gone...
I mean i wish to know that is it a current limitation or that's all we can use for android coz when i was using WiMo 6.5 i used to see the entire space show up in task manager..
Kindly give me some input..
I am also attaching the screenshot of my phone.. space..
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The rest of the space is used by things like System Partitions, and since you areon a Sense ROM im pretty sure the System partition is around 300 . plus the recovery partition and cache partition, those two might make up around 60 mb, so 300MB + 60MB + 404MB .equals 764 plus im sure there are some bad blocks taking up some space. But yeah you have partitions with android nand that use up the space hope that helps maybe somebody else could broaden the explanation.
vikasraj said:
Hello all,
I am using the Energy Rom for Android Nand cLK installed. I really have this question in my mind since a very long time never discussed about it though..
The phone by default has 768 Mb of space but then whenever I happen to see in the task manager it shows me 404 Mb where is the rest of the space gone...
I mean i wish to know that is it a current limitation or that's all we can use for android coz when i was using WiMo 6.5 i used to see the entire space show up in task manager..
Kindly give me some input..
I am also attaching the screenshot of my phone.. space..
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You're confusing ROM and RAM. The task manager shows how much free RAM you have, whilst your storage space is 768 mb or whatever it is because it's the internal memory. Those are readings of two completely different things.
Nigeldg said:
You're confusing ROM and RAM. The task manager shows how much free RAM you have, whilst your storage space is 768 mb or whatever it is because it's the internal memory. Those are readings of two completely different things.
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Well even in that case HD2 has this spec : 576 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM
Is there a way to know if i have bad sectors and option to rectify them.. coz i believe it's not so..
elesbb said:
The rest of the space is used by things like System Partitions, and since you areon a Sense ROM im pretty sure the System partition is around 300 . plus the recovery partition and cache partition, those two might make up around 60 mb, so 300MB + 60MB + 404MB .equals 764 plus im sure there are some bad blocks taking up some space. But yeah you have partitions with android nand that use up the space hope that helps maybe somebody else could broaden the explanation.
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This makes some sence to me but T mobile hd2 has about 1gb rom i am guessing.. mine shows 764 Mb. any option we have to get this thing working so i can use the max out of it...
Thanks in advance...
vikasraj said:
This makes some sence to me but T mobile hd2 has about 1gb rom i am guessing.. mine shows 764 Mb. any option we have to get this thing working so i can use the max out of it...
Thanks in advance...
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The ROM is taken up by Android, and the lack of RAM is normal and has always been there.