Anybody ahve any info on the Kaiser. Basically a thinner Hermes with GPS as I understand it. It was announced at CES but can't find many details anywhere.
Here you go m8..
interesting...sorta. i looked at the specs and ok so it's got onboard gps enabled and 256MB ROM (Hermes has 128). otherwise it's the same specs as the Hermes.... not enough for me to fork out another $700 to "upgrade".
In the above link the picture shows the slide keyboard open with the screen slightly tilted up. Is it really so?? or maybe just an optical illusion
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Htc Kaiser
Hi, three day ago I saw this new Htc tytn- Kaiser and communicate to our local pda-forum called Mobisux from Ljubljana (capital of Slovenija)very open-minded forum. I was suprised that all expert start asking me: what do you mean with this link - who is behind, I put link http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733, . I have feeling that I do somethig wrong, than I ask moderator, why my post disappear - he don t answer me? Is this page(pdab.net) fake or what?
Best regards,
Derek
I hope this HTC P4550 (HTC Kaiser) is for real! It will be my replacement for the HTC Hermes. The GPS and the extra memory is a must for me
This one is real, altho the picture is not of the real device, it is picture designed on computer, more like concept art.
My opinion is that it is not worth of upgrade from hermes to kaiser. I am waiting for a hermes/kaiser form factor device with 3D hardware accelerator
Added HSUPA..
Not sure how important this is.. From what gather they probably could add this to our Hermes since it is just a protocol change..
Is it even used anywhere yet?
Also boosted the Camera up a bit..
Having something thinner wouldn't be bad but I won't be changing anytime soon..
From what I can see
Kaiser = Hermes + WM6 + 2x memory + GPS - a liitle bit of size.
In other words practically the perfect device, what else could you want other than a battery that never runs out!!
However, I won't be upgrading, but that's becasue I've only just got my Hermes on an 18 month contract with T-Mobile and I can't justify 5-700GBP for the extra bits of suff. I'm not too upset though; I was one of the first with the Universal (first WM5 device) and I found that having WM5 at the time to be a real pain as nothing properly worked with it. Plus when I look at all the early problems on the early Hermes (screen misalignment) and my own experience, I'm already on my second Hermes (the first HTC device I've ever had a problem with), I do wonder if quality is being sacrificed in place of speed to market, so I console my self that waiting a while for the problems to be ironed out is the best thing to do.
It's also USB 2.0 - hmmm.. USB2, GPS, 256mb, better cam... I think me wants!!!
Matko,Matko
Hi, everybody I am very happy, that I can read something about future pda - Kaiser, becouse in my country our administrator(moderator - I don¨t wanna name it) delete some post about it. And the guys(expert) who translate in Slovenian language whole procedure from this XDA-DEVELOPERS FORUM ask me WHY I make a questions about htc Kaiser and if I am agent for htc. You Slovenian guys ask here :WHY, WHO is behind? this people will answer you, perhaps.
Best regards,
Derek
I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release, due to the Units displaying significant problems in battery drain in connection to the mechanical HDD. Apparently the units will be recalled to HTC to have the HDD replaced with flash memory to overcome the issues encountered by many users. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I personally know and trust the tester in question. Whilst he reports that the X7500 is blisteringly fast, he also states that the battery consumption is so appalling that one would not get through a days use of the unit, and that stated talk time of the X7500 is currently well below what is stated/expected.
He also indicated that HTC are considering recalling all units already sold in their various guises. Suppose we will have to wait and see. Looks like a few months of delay at the least with a probability with the Ameo shipping with WM6 Professional.
After all that waiting. Crying or Very sad Well I'd rather buy a fully functioning bit of hardware. This always was a point of weariness on my behalf due to my experience of the SGH-i300 with a mechanical HDD, which was ultimately one of the main reasons for getting rid of it......power consumption!!
I have recently changed the title of this thread due to fellow member, Wu, pointing out to me that the old title was confusing. Thankyou Wu.
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I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release, due to the Units displaying significant problems in battery drain in connection to the mechanical HDD. Apparently the units will be recalled to HTC to have the HDD replaced with flash memory to overcome the issues encountered by many users. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I personally know and trust the tester in question. Whilst he reports that the X7500 is blisteringly fast, he also states that the battery consumption is so appalling that one would not get through a days use of the unit, and that stated talk time of the X7500 is currently well below what is stated/expected.
He also indicated that HTC are considering recalling all units already sold in their various guises. Suppose we will have to wait and see. Looks like a few months of delay at the least with a probability with the Ameo shipping with WM6 Professional.
After all that waiting. Crying or Very sad Well I'd rather buy a fully functioning bit of hardware. This always was a point of weariness on my behalf due to my experience of the SGH-i300 with a mechanical HDD, which was ultimately one of the main reasons for getting rid of it......power consumption!!
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HAHA))))
it still not comming to shop, but it recalled)
it is very funny
mackaby007 said:
I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release, due to the Units displaying significant problems in battery drain in connection to the mechanical HDD. Apparently the units will be recalled to HTC to have the HDD replaced with flash memory to overcome the issues encountered by many users. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I personally know and trust the tester in question. Whilst he reports that the X7500 is blisteringly fast, he also states that the battery consumption is so appalling that one would not get through a days use of the unit, and that stated talk time of the X7500 is currently well below what is stated/expected.
He also indicated that HTC are considering recalling all units already sold in their various guises. Suppose we will have to wait and see. Looks like a few months of delay at the least with a probability with the Ameo shipping with WM6 Professional.
After all that waiting. Crying or Very sad Well I'd rather buy a fully functioning bit of hardware. This always was a point of weariness on my behalf due to my experience of the SGH-i300 with a mechanical HDD, which was ultimately one of the main reasons for getting rid of it......power consumption!!
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I will phone my HTC contact this wednesday and see what he says. He is the senior enginner in HTC Head office so the infor he gives me should be pretty accurate.
For the battery part, i am very happy about it, the user of DOPOD has reported that the battery is very good, personally, i turn on Bluetooth all day, device is connect to 3G 24 hours and the screen is never off. So even when i attach my keyboard to DOPOD, my screen is still on. This allow me to use my device for whole day without charging.
I am very happy about the battery.
With WM6, i thought some member here has report Athena will com with WM6 upgrade when it's available, i think that might be true, because that's what i heard in 3GSM as well.
Ok, i have just spoke to my HTC contact, he say he hasn't hear anything about recalling the HTC device, he wasn't sure about Amoe since that invlove with the T-mobile, but for HTC Advantage, he say there is a delay on the release date, the reason beening ROM not totally complete yet, he say the Rom has some bugs which need to be fix. But it should be out in april sometimes.
Funny enough, he also say last week a senior enginner from DOPOD came by to HTC office to meet with their manager, he is guessing HTC is calling for help from DOPOD, since Dopod have finish their Rom already.
For the battery part, not sure about Ameo, but they have run benchmark on the battery for testing, and the result are very good, but at the end, it will depend on how you use your device.
I have ask him to keep an eye on this info, and will report it here if i hear anything more
All X7500 still being released..too much invested..
I wasn't happy with what I heard and pressed my friend for more info. According to his sources (since Thursday, when I last spoke to him), HTC will now most probably NOT recall the units they have branded for T-Mobile and their Sister company Dopod.
The problem apparently is not so much the consumption side of the HDD (even though it does drain heavily compared to SD cards), but the way the HDD was implemented. It is not very shock proof at all. Supposedly vigorous shaking has resulted in 'knocking the HDD out' as I was told, meaning what exactly is still unclear in the sense that it will either become dislodged or stop functioning.
The problem is the way HTC integrated the HDD into the X7500. Apparently they stripped it down before attaching/soldering and fitting it into the housing, resulting in its physical instability. So not a hardware fault, but a design floor which may cause a hardware fault if the unit should be knocked or even suffer a bump (whilst using GPS) in a bumpy car. And there are supposed to be some hardware issues too, but not severe enough enough to stop its release. So we'll be the paying guinea pigs, while HTC perfect the next model which will definitely come with Flash memory and WM6.
Bottom line is that too much has been invested in the X7500, so its release will go on even it is a few weeks late. Taiwan already sell the Dopod, whilst Netherlands and Germany are already selling the Ameo. T-Mobile UK should be following soon as will the Advantage, but if you're buying.....expect some problems and an updated version by the end of the year, as Sony have plans of releasing a UMPC similar in appearance to the X7500 and HTC will be making serious design changes to their next UMPC-look-alike WM6 device.
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I wasn't happy with what I heard and pressed my friend for more info. According to his sources (since Thursday, when I last spoke to him), HTC will now most probably NOT recall the units they have branded for T-Mobile and their Sister company Dopod.
The problem apparently is not so much the consumption side of the HDD (even though it does drain heavily compared to SD cards), but the way the HDD was implemented. It is not very shock proof at all. Supposedly vigorous shaking has resulted in 'knocking the HDD out' as I was told, meaning what exactly is still unclear in the sense that it will either become dislodged or stop functioning.
The problem is the way HTC integrated the HDD into the X7500. Apparently they stripped it down before attaching/soldering and fitting it into the housing, resulting in its physical instability. So not a hardware fault, but a design floor which may cause a hardware fault if the unit should be knocked or even suffer a bump (whilst using GPS) in a bumpy car. And there are supposed to be some hardware issues too, but not severe enough enough to stop its release. So we'll be the paying guinea pigs, while HTC perfect the next model which will definitely come with Flash memory and WM6.
Bottom line is that too much has been invested in the X7500, so its release will go on even it is a few weeks late. Taiwan already sell the Dopod, whilst Netherlands and Germany are already selling the Ameo. T-Mobile UK should be following soon as will the Advantage, but if you're buying.....expect some problems and an updated version by the end of the year, as Sony have plans of releasing a UMPC similar in appearance to the X7500 and HTC will be making serious design changes to their next UMPC-look-alike WM6 device.
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I will try to confirm that with my HTC source, i think it make sense, HTC are not too good about writing ROM, that explain why they are asking for help from DOPOD. Anyway, i must say my DOPOD machine is running very smoothly, battery is amazing, and i have successfully change my today screen to total english, therefore i think DOPOD is a better option now for those who don't want the black one.
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I will try to confirm that with my HTC source, i think it make sense, HTC are not too good about writing ROM, that explain why they are asking for help from DOPOD. Anyway, i must say my DOPOD machine is running very smoothly, battery is amazing, and i have successfully change my today screen to total english, therefore i think DOPOD is a better option now for those who don't want the black one.
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Congrats your ur Dopod wu.
I'm glad you're having no issues with it so far. I'll be getting the Ameo despite its supposed shortcomings + insurance!! So what the hey?!?!
Agreed, HTC are new to ROM building, but they do now own Dopod, so I very much doubt that their ROM will lag behind Dopods especially if Dopod have to help them perfect the HTC ROM.
Who cares anyway? Soon enough we will have access to the most stable and fastest ROM and all versions of the X7500 will run exactly the same, as the hardware is the same.
My only concern now is the stablility of the HDD.
yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage
but problem is color it is silver
can paint it and change color to black or change the case?
I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case
can it do with athena?
tanX
Arya said:
yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage
but problem is color it is silver
can paint it and change color to black or change the case?
I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case
can it do with athena?
tanX
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Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.
You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.
Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.
So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
Arya said:
yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage
but problem is color it is silver
can paint it and change color to black or change the case?
I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case
can it do with athena?
tanX
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Ask Indra how to do it. He should be available in the Universal forums.
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Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.
You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.
Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.
So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
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That is very well say, agree with you there. Let's see if HTC can come up with a stable ROM (with the help from DOPOD). Hopefully they make their ROM right so they don't damage the HDD. After Advantage is out, we can then compare all the ROM and choose the best one and install.
mackaby007 said:
Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.
You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.
Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.
So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
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I think and select x7500
i want a POCKET PC with BIG screen
with GPS and GOOD camera
FAST and POWER
with KEYBOARD to type very long SMS
LOUD speaker
with INFRARED
Athena has all of thing except Infrared
I want X7500 for it's color
I don't go for U1000 because it is now chinesse and if it available in English, maybe i get it
Ameo is locket and can't use
but i think now that i comming to get one athena, i get that i like color and ...
the ondy different in their is in COLOR and ROM and MATTERIAL. i think hardware is like eachother and one has problem other has it too
tanX and sorry for my long post
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Ask Indra how to do it. He should be available in the Universal forums.
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Why in universal forum?
Changing case of athena in Universal forum?!!!!!!11
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I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release...
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This is funny, I already own the T-Mobile Ameo for almost two weeks now, even before you posted this.
1. the battery life is pretty impressive for such a device, you can get through a working day with a couple of phone calls and internet surfing/playing around with the unit and the battery still shows 30% power left.
For some people this battery life may not be good enough, for me it is OK since I always charge my phone(s) over night anyway.
2. I "smashed" the Ameo several times on my office desk, on my bed, on my office chair, I carried it around all the time, even running with it in my pocket.
No problems at all with the HDD, especially since it uses a sensor which detects "acceleration"(drops, movements, etc.), so I highly doubt that there would be trouble, even if it isn't mounted properly.
Of course there will be an updated Ameo/X7500 by the end of this year, HTC puts out a lot of new units on the market, I would be surprised if they didn't.
I highly doubt that HTC would "allow" T-Mobile to acquire and sell defective Ameos, T-Mobile could easily make them responsible for defective units and this could cost HTC a lot of money.
I don't say this isn't true but I know how rumours and gossip is travelling the internet and although sometimes there is some truth behind all this talk, I would take it with a grain of salt.
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This is funny, I already own the T-Mobile Ameo for almost two weeks now, even before you posted this.
1. the battery life is pretty impressive for such a device, you can get through a working day with a couple of phone calls and internet surfing/playing around with the unit and the battery still shows 30% power left.
For some people this battery life may not be good enough, for me it is OK since I always charge my phone(s) over night anyway.
2. I "smashed" the Ameo several times on my office desk, on my bed, on my office chair, I carried it around all the time, even running with it in my pocket.
No problems at all with the HDD, especially since it uses a sensor which detects "acceleration"(drops, movements, etc.), so I highly doubt that there would be trouble, even if it isn't mounted properly.
Of course there will be an updated Ameo/X7500 by the end of this year, HTC puts out a lot of new units on the market, I would be surprised if they didn't.
I highly doubt that HTC would "allow" T-Mobile to acquire and sell defective Ameos, T-Mobile could easily make them responsible for defective units and this could cost HTC a lot of money.
I don't say this isn't true but I know how rumours and gossip is travelling the internet and although sometimes there is some truth behind all this talk, I would take it with a grain of salt.
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It's not the Ameo or Dopod u1000 being push back, it's the HTC Advantage, the Rom they wrote is causing Damage to the HDD. Ameo and DOPOD U1000 don't have this problem
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It's not the Ameo or Dopod u1000 being push back, it's the HTC Advantage, the Rom they wrote is causing Damage to the HDD. Ameo and DOPOD U1000 don't have this problem
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Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.
Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP.
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Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.
Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP.
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Man, it's not GOSSIP, i was one of the tester for HTC Advantage, i have been notify by HTC that the Rom has serious Bug on HDD handle. I also have contact of one of the most senior engineer in HTC. It has been confirm Advantage is being push back, just don't know how late it will be. If lucky, with the help of DOPOD, they might still get it out on time.
We all know there is no hardware difference, it's the ROM which makes the Advantage being push back........
p.s. mackaby007, you should change the post title, it's making some people confuse.
@P996
P996 said:
Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.
Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP.
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As nicely as you try to put it P996, what you say implies that either I, or whoever my source is are either foolish in speaking of these things or blatantly lying. It certainly is not gossip, as I have not heard this anywhere else. The fact that you nor anyone else that has bought it and yet hasn't experienced this problem, does not detract that some testers have come to be aware of this design/assembly flaw in the Athena that COULD cause the problems mentioned in my earlier thread and talks had taken place with T-Mobile UK with regards to returning the units (possible recalls for Germany & Netherlands). The fact that this will not be taking place can be attributed to certain facts; i.e.
1) Too much has already been invested in a product that is not guaranteed to go wrong.
2)The Athena is NOT faulty, it' implementation of the HDD unit is subject to vulnerability due to the way it was stripped down and mounted in the overall casing. NOT faulty.....hence NO Recall...Get IT P996??
3) Furthermore I sincerely doubt that you are truthful in your account of how many times or the extent to which you have knocked your brand new device about. Yes I'm implying that you are lying by exaggerating, to prove a point.
4) I'm still getting the Ameo despite the only vulnerability reported to me.
5) I was merely sharing pertinent information to anyone who like me wants to make well informed decisions about future expensive purchases...whether we like the negatives or not.
6) As stated before...(for those too lazy to read through all the Athena posts there aren't that many at present)...T-Mobile UK have not yet released the Ameo and the tester/testers in question are from the UK and extremely well qualified and known to me personally, so I trust what they tell me, but not without question.
7) The point wu raised about HTC's ROM damaging the HDD is a totally separate issue, but confirms that HTC are well aware of problems with their HDD, be it soft or hardware related.
Lastly it is very easy to look at the past posts of every member..therefore if you suspect a persons integrity, you should at least have the decency to check them out before implying that another member is a gossip-monger. Wanker!!
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As nicely as you try to put it P996, what you say implies that either I, or whoever my source is are either foolish in speaking of these things or blatantly lying. It certainly is not gossip, as I have not heard this anywhere else. The fact that you nor anyone else that has bought it and yet hasn't experienced this problem, does not detract that some testers have come to be aware of this design/assembly flaw in the Athena that COULD cause the problems mentioned in my earlier thread and talks had taken place with T-Mobile UK with regards to returning the units (possible recalls for Germany & Netherlands). The fact that this will not be taking place can be attributed to certain facts; i.e.
1) Too much has already been invested in a product that is not guaranteed to go wrong.
2)The Athena is NOT faulty, it' implementation of the HDD unit is subject to vulnerability due to the way it was stripped down and mounted in the overall casing. NOT faulty.....hence NO Recall...Get IT P996??
3) Furthermore I sincerely doubt that you are truthful in your account of how many times or the extent to which you have knocked your brand new device about. Yes I'm implying that you are lying by exaggerating, to prove a point.
4) I'm still getting the Ameo despite the only vulnerability reported to me.
5) I was merely sharing pertinent information to anyone who like me wants to make well informed decisions about future expensive purchases...whether we like the negatives or not.
6) As stated before...(for those too lazy to read through all the Athena posts there aren't that many at present)...T-Mobile UK have not yet released the Ameo and the tester/testers in question are from the UK and extremely well qualified and known to me personally, so I trust what they tell me, but not without question.
7) The point wu raised about HTC's ROM damaging the HDD is a totally separate issue, but confirms that HTC are well aware of problems with their HDD, be it soft or hardware related.
Lastly it is very easy to look at the past posts of every member..therefore if you suspect a persons integrity, you should at least have the decency to check them out before implying that another member is a gossip-monger. Wanker!!
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nicely say mackaby007, agree with you there.
Since i haven't tested the T-mobile Amoe, i don't know anything about it.
The HDD issue HTC Advantage is having is a software problem, to do with how their ROM handle the Micro Drive. So don't worry, when it comes out, it should have no problem, that's what they are working on now.
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nicely say mackaby007, agree with you there.
Since i haven't tested the T-mobile Amoe, i don't know anything about it.
The HDD issue HTC Advantage is having is a software problem, to do with how their ROM handle the Micro Drive. So don't worry, when it comes out, it should have no problem, that's what they are working on now.
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Thanks Wu. I agree with you completely and I've changed the title of the thread as you advised.
OK, OK, I know the "issues" folks are having with the HD have been done to death, but I just wanted to add my two penneth to the mix.
My story is unremarkable in that I've bought a HD last week as a replacement for a Kaiser (which went pop and is with HTC for repair as I type), and despite all the glitz and snazz of the huge screen, the slim form, etc, I'm rather missing my 18 month old Kaiser.
The lack of a physical keyboard is the biggest thing I'm struggling to adjust to, which might not be so bad if the software one worked properly. And the number of times the device restarts itself at the most inopportune moment would be frankly laughable if it werent so annoying.
So, I called the retailer and told them of the problems with it restarting itself (8 times yesterday - when texting, when prowsing the web, when reading a Word doc attachment, and numerous times when doing sod all but sitting on my desk!), and they offered to exchange it for me....... except they havent got any in stock!
So, to the crux of my post.... do I insist that the device is not fit for purpose and demand that my deal and airtime agreement is cancelled (I've not put the supplied SIM card in yet so I'm within my rights to cancel, it seems), and wait it out for a Touch Pro2? Or am I just a swapped handset away from Touch HD nirvana?
Your opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated!
All I can say is you may have a dodgy device as mine has never reset itself in the way you describe...
And you can get used to the on-screen keyboard (well I did anyway) pretty fast.. have a play with the different keyboard options. I use the "phone keypad" in T9 mode and am much faster than with the full Qwerty one.
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OK, OK, I know the "issues" folks are having with the HD have been done to death, but I just wanted to add my two penneth to the mix.
My story is unremarkable in that I've bought a HD last week as a replacement for a Kaiser (which went pop and is with HTC for repair as I type), and despite all the glitz and snazz of the huge screen, the slim form, etc, I'm rather missing my 18 month old Kaiser.
The lack of a physical keyboard is the biggest thing I'm struggling to adjust to, which might not be so bad if the software one worked properly. And the number of times the device restarts itself at the most inopportune moment would be frankly laughable if it werent so annoying.
So, I called the retailer and told them of the problems with it restarting itself (8 times yesterday - when texting, when prowsing the web, when reading a Word doc attachment, and numerous times when doing sod all but sitting on my desk!), and they offered to exchange it for me....... except they havent got any in stock!
So, to the crux of my post.... do I insist that the device is not fit for purpose and demand that my deal and airtime agreement is cancelled (I've not put the supplied SIM card in yet so I'm within my rights to cancel, it seems), and wait it out for a Touch Pro2? Or am I just a swapped handset away from Touch HD nirvana?
Your opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated!
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I would honestly have to say... wait for the Touch Pro2. It isn't that far away and you can just use a cheap cell untill that time (I could! ). If your struggling with the onscreen keyboard then the Touch Pro2 will be perfect for you, but still offering a screen size almost like the HD.
I have 1 year to go on my contract so! . But the problems you talked about are not normal, and if you decide not to wait for the Touch Pro2 I would swap it with a other one or file it for repair if you can't swap.
buy an iphone....the touch hd could have blown the iphone out of the water if ALL the specs & progs had been implemented on release.....
Trouble is HTC are now playing catch up and are releasing kit onto the mass market who in turn are really 'beta' testing hardware & software for HTC.
I used their contact helpline to notify them of a bug/glitch which many other users have as well & I asked for a resolution, bugFIX or update to sort the problem out - I actually got the official reply which basicially said thanks and my raised call was now now closed as I hadn't answered/replied within 15 days.....!!!! I replied the same day fgs !!!
I presume they have massive problems that can't be fixed and do not have any support in place whatsoever, so user & buyer beware - they are buying an unsupported bit of kit - I am now stuck in an 18 month contract with hardware (& software) that is buggy, unsupported, doesn't work properly, and has NO way of being sorted or fixed.........
I've been with wm smartphones from the beginning & HTC when they got 'big'
- now I've got a problem getting out of the contract even though the htc hd IS FAULTY & BUGGY - what a rip off......
T4mbo said:
buy an iphone....the touch hd could have blown the iphone out of the water if ALL the specs & progs had been implemented on release.....
Trouble is HTC are now playing catch up and are releasing kit onto the mass market who in turn are really 'beta' testing hardware & software for HTC.
I used their contact helpline to notify them of a bug/glitch which many other users have as well & I asked for a resolution, bugFIX or update to sort the problem out - I actually got the official reply which basicially said thanks and my raised call was now now closed as I hadn't answered/replied within 15 days.....!!!! I replied the same day fgs !!!
I presume they have massive problems that can't be fixed and do not have any support in place whatsoever, so user & buyer beware - they are buying an unsupported bit of kit - I am now stuck in an 18 month contract with hardware (& software) that is buggy, unsupported, doesn't work properly, and has NO way of being sorted or fixed.........
I've been with wm smartphones from the beginning & HTC when they got 'big'
- now I've got a problem getting out of the contract even though the htc hd IS FAULTY & BUGGY - what a rip off......
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I don't understand how you guys buy a phone on a contract and blast the manufacturer (HTC in this case) for having a faulty, buggy phone.
maybe its because you guys don't have the foresight to see that the phones have operator supported apps and crap that isn't part of the original HTC rom.
operators put there own software on to these phones in order to link to their online homepages , etc. My HD came from Telstra and the first thing I did was remove that junk from the phone.
I don't know if you guys want to format your HTC and install fresh software on it, but one things for sure that you can't pass judgment on a product that has useless software put on it by the operator.
This forum is filled with countless happy HD users that continue to mod, upgrade their phones without such problems.
Try giving your phone a second chance by putting software that it was meant to run and not some third party crap.
It does sound like you receivd a bad phone. Every manufacturer has them cross their lineup (Apple too) as no production run is perfect.
Personally I have had my HD for a number of months now and I am not overly gentle with it or to concerned about what software I load. I have never had any of the issues described here (from crashing to paint peeling).
I easily using the compact qwerty keyboard and can type faster on it than on the Kaiser. You will need to decide if you can make the adjustment. I had the same issue in moving from the Wizard to the Elf.
Totally your call. I was used to my hermes keyboard and decoded to go for the HD. At first I was disappointed with a number of things...i.e. no keyboard, no camera flash amongst others. But I knew this before I bought it!!!
It was the same with my Hermes. I got rid of the crap software, rom etc and flashed a better rom, better software and hey presto I had a better phone.
I have also done this with the Balckstone and I'm glad to say I have almost got it to exactly the way I want it!!
There is plenty of 3rd party apps out there to improve your phone, one for example would be finger keyboard 2.1 which almost as good as having a qwerty keyboard.
In the end mate, its your call.
It's your choice but:
I had to send my first one back cos I couldn't get a signal. Orange replaced it no questions and since then I haven't had to reset at all (bout 4 weeks now).
All in all i'm happy with the device and have it running reasonably well with the stock rom with the help of all the people on here. Video, once converted, is superb and high quality for such a device, call quality good, not really tried the camera as I don't take that many pics but office runs fine as I use most of the apps.
Hmmm, sounds like you have a duff phone. Send it back.
I also had a Kaiser which was good but the HD is so much better. I have NEVER had a soft reset unexpectedly.
I do not type huge amounts so the keyboard is not a big need. I do want the slim form factor of the HD.
I had for a few days an early Omnia - this did the mystery soft reset nonsense many times in the short time I had it. I returned it and bought a Tytn II.
HD is really robust, great screen, good battery, and very stable. I recommend you return the bad one you have.
Seriously buddy, I use the Phone Keypad option under SIP and it takes me way back to my old Nokia, I've gone from pissing around with a stupid slide out keyboard on my Kaiser which involved a lot of attention, to walking along touch typing on my Touch HD, the differnece is massive. Slide out keyboards sound like a good idea until you're sitting there interfacing with it like a fecking laptop, that pissed me off.
I must admit I wasn't very impressed with mine when I first got it. I copied some MP3s over to test out music playing and it crashed, and kept crashing. And everything kept crashing: phone app, mail app, music app... Not impressive in the first half hour with nothing else installed!
Anyway since flashing to a different ROM (Dutty 2.6 at the moment) I have had absolutely no problem, so god knows what Orange have done to their ROM.
As for keyboard, try fingerkeyboard and SPB's Keyboard. I can type about as fast as I ever did on my Tytn 2's real keyboard - and without the extra bulk!
(I think I've said before, my Tytn never crashed or needed an unforced reboot once as far as I can recall in 18 months; both my ipods crash regularly, one of them, daily. My conclusion is that the WinMo platform is pretty stable.)
Don't know who your operator is but try and get it changed.
Sorry to hear about your HD problems, like you I was eager to upgrade to what I thinks is a great phone, I got mine as an upgrade but fortunately mine does not have a provider rom in it, its a straight htc phone. had mine 18 days and it stopped charging. Contacted my supplier they where happy to exchange but had no stock, or i could cancell and send phone back.
I contacted HTC, they arranged pickup of phone, did repair, well no they basically replaced everything in the case and sent it back all within 5 days.
Now my phone works great, and the more I read about how adaptable this phone is the more I like it.
as for keybords i have downloaded and tried many, but I now use touchpal compact keyboard, even my large stuby thumbs mange to type quickly.
Send it back get a good one and start again I am sure you will not be dissapointed.
and while I think about it did you now that HTC phones have a manufactures warranty of two years? that means my phone is warranted past my contract period, good news........