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PTT for WM5?

Is there such a thing? Cuz i might subscribe to the PTT service with cingular.

you are in luck
cingular does have ptt service it is not surrently available on pdas but is available on lg, samsung and sonyericsson phone the service it 9.99 for one line and 19.99 for family plans it is unlimited service and works great there is a 5-10 sec delay for the initial connection but after that it is as fast if not faster then nextel. you can also convert a ptt conversation to a phone call as well as being able to see everyones status and if they are available or not.
i hope this helps you out
if you have anymore questions feel free to ask

Or you could just use the speakerphone and NOT pay cingular for having a speakerphone :? :? :?
I will never understand why PTT is popular. It's a freaking speakerphone that makes you push the button to talk. Durrrrr....

well in aust its cheaper to use that like only 1 dollar per day and you can get up to 5 people to connect and use ptt. shame it wont work on wm5 so far. thou im sure it would b easy to make a software for this.

if it was out there i would have found it by now.. i am very interested in seeing if i can get this to work.. but cant come up with anything.. will probably have to wait till the 8525 is released, its suppose to have PTT

Agile messenger's website says that the program will add ptt to a phone, but I'm still trying to figure out how they think so. I think it has to do with the messenger service and the voice messages.

GreenLantern said:
Agile messenger's website says that the program will add ptt to a phone, but I'm still trying to figure out how they think so. I think it has to do with the messenger service and the voice messages.
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i think agile messenger allows you to PTT to other users of a messenger service like yahoo, etc... not to other phones.. unless they were also using agile..

Three way and speaker would be better than PTT, but on the other hand I would like to have the function for a just in case thing.

weezy said:
Three way and speaker would be better than PTT, but on the other hand I would like to have the function for a just in case thing.
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i actually would like it better.. i hate talking on the phone, i do it for 8 hours a day at work.. i am all data most of the time anyway.. pretty much if you cant be text then i have nothing to say but in the rare event i need my phone i would rather do it over ptt so i dont feel like i am locked into a phone call

Cingular 8525 (aka HTC Hermes) comes with PTT button and a PTT application which is not ready yet in the pre-production ROMs. I guess cingular will put the app in the ExtROM, so just wait until it comes out

I need more hardware buttons on the wizard

T-mobile MDA vs. Cingular 8125

I'm looking to purchase one of these devices but not sure which one. I belong to Cingular but I like the look of the T-mobile MDA. Is there anything majorly different from a hardware/software point between these two?
If I get the t-mobile mda will I have any issues using it with Cingular? I know I need to sim unlock it first. My main use of this phone is for calls and text messgs. I rarely use the internet but may do so more later on. Just want to make sure the T-mobile softeware will not interfere with cingular settings. Can someone enlighten me? How about flashing it to a non branded rom? Or a cingular rom if thats possible. lol
Great forum my da way!!!

i bought a tmobile mda for use on cingular because of the keyboard design and general asthetics od the thing. i did unlock it then flashed it to the 217.7.2wwe cingular rom found on this sites ftp section. it works great with text, internet, has great rf reception. only thing i havent tried with it is mms.
rest easy; it works. if you have more questions there are people here much more experienced than i.

hardwares deep inside, they are the same machine. Once you have it (either 8125 or MDA) you can do SIM & CID unlock and put in any ROM for wizard you'd like; if you get MDA you can put 8125 rom on it and has all the cingular settings (which you can set it up manually also with other ROMs)
The main concern is the warranty. You are with Cingular and if you get 8125, whenever you have problem with it within 1 year of purchase, you can get warranty exchange (cingular will send you a new one, and you send the bad one back to them after you recieve the new one, all free)
But if you have MDA, you will have to send it to HTC for repair which might take a long time to come back.

jdub71 said:
i bought a tmobile mda for use on cingular because of the keyboard design and general asthetics od the thing. i did unlock it then flashed it to the 217.7.2wwe cingular rom found on this sites ftp section. it works great with text, internet, has great rf reception. only thing i havent tried with it is mms.
rest easy; it works. if you have more questions there are people here much more experienced than i.
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Great! just what I was looking for. I did not know you could install a cingular rom over another brand. soo cool. Did you use the lokiwiz program (which version??) to unlock both the sim and cid? Or another program? Same here I like the rounded corners and two tone keyboard. I wish t-mobile online would sell w/o contract since its a decent price. At the store its almost 100 more.
New to PPC coming from the Motorola camp....
Know to search for a MDA....

Be Careful
Be careful, some of the newer Wizards (MDAs & 8125s) have a newer chip inside referred to as the G4 chip. It is my understanding that lokiwiz will SIM unlock the device which will allow you to use your Cingular SIM card. However, lokiwiz won't CID unlock the MDA with the new chip. So you won't be able to use all the new custom ROMs on ths site.
It is pretty easy to manually configure the setting so the MDA will work fully on Cingular. I have the 8125 and am using T-mobile. The internet, text messanging, and MMS work great.
Check out the threads on the Wizard Upgrading forum for more info. on how to tell which chip your phone has.

Thanks for the tip. I've read some threads about the dreaded G4 chip. Hopefully someone will crack it soon. There is a website that can unlock the G4 chip both sim and cid but it costs like 40 bucks. Worst case I can send it to them.
jdub71: How is the ear piece sound level on the MDA when on a call? how do you rate it? loud, med. or could be louder despite on full volume.
rambo6: Same question. How is you're ear piece volume level on the 8125?
PC mag suggested that the MDA had a lower ear piece volume than the 8125. I wanted to hear from actual users. Louder the better for me. Is there a reg. hack to make the ear piece volume louder? Thanks

I'm running an MDA on Cingular with no problems. Got it a week ago with every intention of flashing to 8125 cingular, but it seems to have figured out most Cingular settings automatically.No problems.... yet.
I don't see how one Wizard could be louder than another.

Have turn it down on both my plantronics bluetooth and wired earphones.

Couple of other quality control concerns with the MDA versus the 8125, I've heard that the MDA is more prone to having the paint come off the keys and that they are also more prone to having the stylus come loose after prolonged usage.
Don't have a MDA, only a 8125, but that's what I have gathered from reading the forums.

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How do you go about finding out what ROM version you have and also how do you tell if you have successfully unlocked your MDA?
Also how do you tell if you have the "G4" chip?
Thanks

Good question. I want a custom rom too.
8125ppc (and htc just updated)

You can go to the thread below to learn how to tell which chip is in your Wizard.
Also, I have great sound through the 8125's earpiece. Sometimes I have to turn it down.
My suggestion is buy whichever phone you want. The MDA has keys that are a little closer together. I'd suggest you look at both in person. You can buy either in the US through letstalk.com without a contract but the phone will be set up for either Cingular or T-mobile and you'll need to unlock it to use another carrier.
If you can hold off a few months, the TyTN or some UMTS form thereof should be offered in the U.S.
T-mobile is great but it will be at least a year before they get a 3G network going. Cingular is the only carrier in the U.S. with a 3G UMTS network in major cities. It's significantly faster than Edge but not as fast as Verizon's evdo.
I hope that HTC offers some phone to work on both the US and European UMTS/HSDPA networks soon. Some form of TyTN or the Trion would do it.
Once you start surfing the web and texting with a Wizard, you'll get addicted and want more speed. Verizion's evdo is so damn fast. I miss verizon's speed but love my Wizard and hope to have the newest HTC phone soon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54030

After read many many threads on these it does seem like the 8125 has a better build quality than the MDA. Sound quality may also be superior since alot of MDA owners are complaing about sound issues. I was going to get the MDA but now I'm leaning on the 8125. Main reason is availability. Its easier for me to get the 8125 since I'm on cingular. I'm just worried about the sound volume being too low. I've read about the slider not working and such.....many requests to boost the sound but no real answer.
Hmm. New phone called the TyTN? Made also by HTC? May look into that also.

My friend has a T-Mobile MDA and I have the Cingular 8125. He has the original rom that came with the phone and I have the latest one 2.25. We were at my friends basement he had 3-4 bars of connection while I had non or 1 bar. He always has better connection then me.

ZzFDKzZ said:
My friend has a T-Mobile MDA and I have the Cingular 8125. He has the original rom that came with the phone and I have the latest one 2.25. We were at my friends basement he had 3-4 bars of connection while I had non or 1 bar. He always has better connection then me.
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Okay,let's see here.....
1) Are you both using the same carriers ?
If yes to above, it is a Rom issue.
If no to above, then it is pretty obvious as to the reason for the different signal levels!
I have a Qtek 9100 Wizard with the summiter custom Cingular 2.24 rom and can tell you for a fact that different roms DO act differently.Even roms from the same carriers, I might add! LOL
Later........

Yeah like I said he has T-Mobile and I have Cingular. He has the original rom and I have that new one http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54726 Even with summiter 2.24 rom that I had last month he still had way better connection in my friends basement.

ZzFDKzZ said:
Yeah like I said he has T-Mobile and I have Cingular. He has the original rom and I have that new one http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54726 Even with summiter 2.24 rom that I had last month he still had way better connection in my friends basement.
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That's just to compare Cingular v.s. Tmobile signal, NOT 8125 v.s. MDA.
If your 8125 is SIM unlocked, try put in your friend's SIM card and see how is the signal on your phone; should be much better than your SIM.

.....Like I said, different carriers= different towers =different signal strength. As was said above, if sim unlocked, swap sims and see what happens.
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I never tought about that, I'll try the sim change next time.

Video Teleconferencing on Cingular UMTS

After reading all the posts about this particular topic. Well I work as an authorized agent for Cingular and made a call to the network engineer for Central Florida. After talking with him about UMTS I asked about Cingular's UMTS network and video teleconferencing. His response was that Cingular's UMTS network is currently capable of video teleconferencing and explained to me that during one of the training courses they brought in the Ericsson team that is responsible for the UMTS network build out and they were performing video teleconferencing on Cingular's UMTS. He said that the only caveat was that both people on the call have to have phones that support video teleconferencing.

I dont think that's true .. Cingular doesnt support video conferencing right now .. from what folks have said .. it wont until HSUPA as the upload speeds are very less right now ..

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I dont think that's true .. Cingular doesnt support video conferencing right now .. from what folks have said .. it wont until HSUPA as the upload speeds are very less right now ..
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It may be. I just got my info from a Cingular Network Engineer and the lead on the Ericsson team that is upgrading the network. According to them they are launching UMTS and HSPDA at the same time, verified by and article in RCR wireless news.

As I was waiting for a flight from PBI, I sat next a network engineer from Cingular, besides disscussing how the network is configured and stuff like that, he mentioned that my TyTN could video teleconference aslong as the person I am teleconferencing with also has a TyTN.
He played with my TyTN for a bit and was actually impressed at the speeds that I was getting from dslreports.
Dan

Alright then, lets try it. PM me with your phone number or however you want to do it and we can give it a try. I want to know if its the network or just 8525 that does not support it.
Later, Lew

The 3G network on Cingular is definitely HSPDA (at least in my area). I also can say that videoconferencing is something Cingular definitely will roll out. I assume the reason they didn't put the front cam on the 8525 is because they didn't want customers asking questions about a service that was not yet implemented (even if it is already possible).
I'm using the original shipping 8525 rom on my Hermes. Is there a different Rom that would support the videoconferencing, even if I have to use the regular camera on the backside of the phone?

djaladin said:
I assume the reason they didn't put the front cam on the 8525 is because they didn't want customers asking questions about a service that was not yet implemented (even if it is already possible).
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You mean like the PTT button

lewcamino said:
Alright then, lets try it. PM me with your phone number or however you want to do it and we can give it a try. I want to know if its the network or just 8525 that does not support it.
Later, Lew
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The Cingular branded 8525 HERM100 does not support video conferencing as it lacks the camera and possible the software required to run it.
The TyTN does support video conferencing as it has both the camera and software needed to run it.
Dan

I just tried it with a guy that PMed me and it failed instatnly, just as I though t it would. We both have TyTNs.
Later, Lew

Don't know if it's the same in US, but in Australia you have to have Video Confrencing enabled on your mobile account (Vodafone doesn't by default). Until I had our Vodafone rep do this we couldn't connect any video calls, once done we could.

Cingular's network is HSDPA out of the gates. That being said, I believe that you also need central switching gear to connect the calls as I don't believe its peer-peer.

Universal and PTT

Hi, is there any chance to use PushToTalk service on Universal, as like as it is on Nokia phones, and if yes how to do it
thanx
ZeD

Does PTT work over GSM?! I didn't think it did, but it is the subject area of my current job so I'll ask about it tomorrow!
I would imagine that if you wanted to use PTT on Windows Mobile you would probably have difficulties with responsiveness. All the Universal's keys & buttons are processed with software, which then instructs the hardware to connect the microphone/earpiece and make the call (or open the channel.) That can be slow - certainly my Universal seems very sluggish to do anything now, I think it's probably got a very fragmented filesystem!

my mum has a gsm nokia with a ptt button but her provider doesn't support it so no settings.
does it just work on US networks? i seem to remember an article in a british brochure about 1.5 years ago saying it would be the next big thing.

I think someone tried offering a contract with unlimited PTT talk usage between a call group and calls at a standard rate, so everyone just used the PTT functionality.
Had a chat with our technical sales chap, he tells me that Orange tried a PTT over Cellular (PoC) solution but it never really took off. Apparently Nextel do a PTT solution but they use PMR. So I'd be interested to know which country you're in to have a current PoC solution?
A better place to start might be with a Google Search for "Push To Talk" "Windows Mobile 5" - though that really just brought me a lot of pages with empty-looking promises from Microsoft that Windows Mobile 5 would support PoC.

i don't know if it works in my GSM provider / Orange Slovakia, but i saw this option in menu on my father's Nokia so i just wanted to know if it is really possible, and if yes, if it is also possible for Uni
ZeD

To be supported, it must be part of your contract with Orange, and the person you want to talk to must also have it enabled and be part of your "call group". The feature is principally for enterprise customers, so I expect they would charge a high premium for a single user!!

PTT or POC

Is there any soft that allows our trinity to use a Push To Talk or Push Over Cellphone system?
Thnx
J.·.

wish we had ptt here
orange started it,,,,but didn't really tell anyone
so nobody knew about it so nobody used it...orange then caneled it from there network...they make to much money on sms i think

There are 2 options:
1. GSM operator has PTT service, and you can try to use it having proper phone - but I have heard ONLY about few Nokia models.
2. There is a kind of software "like PTT" - you have a group, and send voice via GPRS. I saw it working - but it was very poor even on UMTS network. I don't remember name of the solution :-(
First solution is better - I have used it in Plus GSM network in Poland with Nokia phone - very nice service... but not so many operators have it...
regards.

PTT Option
I ran across this: http://www.tabletmedia.com/products.html
and really wanted to give it a try, but I never seem to have the time. It is pretty expensive too.
Has anyone tried this?
Tom