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Even though the XDAIIi cam is 1.3mp the images it produces are awfull!
The upgrade from 0.3mp to 1.3mp is a big selling point for this device, and some people are making the upgrade based on this alone!
Ive taken a couple of pics for you guys to compare.
Any confirmations or comments are welcome!
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Why aren't you guys more talkative?
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OK bro!
From the 3 photos posted the one by XDA II is definitely the best.
Have you make sure the XDA IIi got its best setting for the resolution concerned like its ambience, contrast, saturation, gamma and sharpness?
I would like to upgarde to IIi if its available in my country but now I have second thought after seeing its camera capability. I hope when it's release it would have the camera issue resolved.
Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?
dewild1 said:
Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?
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Well spotted!
No, that was my mistake it was only 480x640.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I have tinkered with the settings somewhat, I tried to match them before taking the shots and have tinkered with the XDAIIi settings alone to try and improve it aswell, however no luck.
There is a 'night' settings on the IIi although it makes the pics even worse, and has white flecks all over the image!
It's such a shame, WM2003 SE is great! Integrated WiFi is awesome!
This cam really lets it down though.
I've finally made my decision:
Mines going back. It just doesn't cut it.
So then, how long before the next WM device from O2?
And what can we expect?
upgrade the ROM and see~
Have U ungrade ur ROm to i-mate's latest ROm? I realize that the camera's "nightmode" indeed remove those white flecks. But I admit my xdaII's camera (WM2003SE download from xda-developer) is nicer than the original PDA2's camera
On my PDA2,I reckon the resolution is much higher; it's hard to tell on computer screen but once U magifiy it (ZOOM in) then U will find L is L (640x480) and why we need XL 1024x640
The next concern: anyone know any patch or .cab to improve the camera spec in order to get better quality of pic? cheers~
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The quality very depends on the settings and adjustments. I took 5 pics(3 indoor,2 outdoor)with my Himalaya(VGA Cam). There are too many differences which causes the adjustments. Take a look...
Uploaded to a new thread cos they were screwing up another thread on a different topic...
The comparison camera: My 4 year-old Canon Ixus 300
This is how far behind the pace the Universal's camera is... :roll:
Lets be honest though, the universal isnt really marketed for having a great camera. Its good for taking quite snapshots, but if your are that serious about taking pictures, get a nokia N90 or a digital camera. Its not really the camera what is bad, its just the really bad, plastic lens what is.
Can your 4 year old Ixus make phone calls, browse the web, check your emails, listen to music, watch movies?!?!
I was going to post comparisons about how far behind my alienware laptop my Universal is when playing Halflife, but I couldn't get it to run on my Universal :lol:
lol - OK, don't take this out of context please.
Someone in another thread was curious about the camera's abilities,
so I posted these pics as an illustration, but they screwed up the other
thread so I moved them to a new one. (See? They're even screwing
up this one too! ) Maybe the pics are useful for people who are
curious about the Universal's camera.
The camera quality isn't the reason why someone would buy the
Universal (understatement of the year!), but people will be interested
to know just how good/bad it is. This thread is an objective
demonstration just for them. 8)
I carry a nice 3.2 MPx Casio Exilim S100 - small, loads of useful features and otherwise fills the camera niche. The Exec replaced my P900 + x50v setup. I now use the x50v for development testing.
No probs for me using the universal for photos!!
Sorry guys. I'm quite happy with my jasjar for photos (considering it ain't a dedicated digitl camera!!)
I'm sure that HTC could really put a better camera on the Universal and in all WM devices; the problem is that they don't care ....they have so much space that they can put the K750 i sonyericsson camera module :lol:
If you have a look at the first comparison shots at the top of the kitchen, the Universal shot is clearer than the canon shot, look at the clock on the stove, the universal shot is clearer, you can hardly read the canon pic.
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mackaby007 said:
Sorry guys. I'm quite happy with my jasjar for photos (considering it ain't a dedicated digitl camera!!)
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woah!!!!!! this is realllllllyyyy gooooddd!!!!
I guess its built to handle outdoors really well!
@seal
the point is, they are taken at different resolutions....what you need to see in the comparison is, the color quality and richness....!
San
Yes you are right there.....
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@seal
the point is, they are taken at different resolutions....what you need
to see in the comparison is, the color quality and richness....!
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No no no!
Two of the pictures (the small ones) are taken at the same resolution
so that we can directly compare them! The Canon shot is a thumbnail.
Click on it to get the 640x480 version to match the 640x480 Universal
pic.
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SiliconS said:
dreamtheater39 said:
@seal
the point is, they are taken at different resolutions....what you need
to see in the comparison is, the color quality and richness....!
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No no no!
Two of the pictures (the small ones) are taken at the same resolution
so that we can directly compare them! The Canon shot is a thumbnail.
Click on it to get the 640x480 version to match the 640x480 Universal
pic.
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i think you just added the 640x480 version recently by editing your post didnt you??
we just had the 1280pic from the universal, and the 640pic from your canon....of course....until you edited it unless....there was a problem with my browser!
Cheers!
S
[quote="The camera quality isn't the reason why someone would buy the
Universal (understatement of the year!), but people will be interested
to know just how good/bad it is. This thread is an objective
demonstration just for them. 8)[/quote]
If thats the case, then its alright. I dont like people dissin the device cos it doesn't take great pictures. No device on the market does what the jasjar can do, n i dare someone to argue with me on that
Sorry if we hijacked your thread.
can somebody post more pictures??? especially those taken with bad lighting conditions....
a couple pics in pitch dark, with the flash turned on...along with night mode on would be great too!
@universal
Noone would argue with you for sure you sure love your device!!!
San
universaldoc said:
.. No device on the market does what the jasjar can do, n i dare someone to argue with me on that
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Mate you should see the quality of pictures from the SE K750i they are really fantastic. Also the K750's battery lasts my wife 7 days and it is on 24hrs a day. So no competition for the JJ/Exec but makes you think
Like universaldoc wrote there is no other device like the universal, some phones might have a better camera but can they log into your computer on the other side of the world and fully control it..... The answer is clearly NO....... What is being said here is the Universal, despite its little problem, is a Phone/PDA in one that does is all. We will have better in the future but at this present time there is no comparison to anything Ericsson can make and that goes for in the future with Ericsson.
@seal, I know what is being said but not everyone wants all the features of the Universal. For me I still to use my PSP for videos over my Exec and I prefer the music reproduction of my Nokia 9500 (OGG) and Palm LifeDrive (DRM) over the Exec; the Exec music reproduction is very bass light.
I think that the camera is pretty ok with right settings...
@jah,
I agree that the camera is better on the SE K750i, probably the best after the Sharp V203SH.
But i just feel that it is rather unfair to diss the Universal based on the camera. As i have said before, if camera is a criteria for considering the universal, then i am speechless.
Just to make myself clear, i would have purchased the universal even if it did NOT have a camera
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What's the purpose of the demo if we can't save the video? :roll:
think its a fake, just someone who's using the standard API's in a nice way
Don't think there is a standard API for WM2003.
V
I thought I saw some line in the exe that stated that: GXBeginDraw, GXEndDraw etc.
Doesn't he just makes a connection from the camera to the display and uses hardware function to set the image to a resolution or effect and teases us with 640*480 video?
Could be, I haven't looked into this app yet, no time, but AFAIK there was no HTC published API for the camera. That doesn't mean it can't be used by 3rd parties of course. And on WM5 it's built into the OS as well.
V
something like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=55956
I've seen the CowBurn code before, but it's not an HTC or Microsoft API, so it's not really an "official" API. Good stuff though, and very useful.
V
hmmm, is it? I was always to lazy to install the VS package for it, maybe I should give it a try...
But, what do you think, is the S100 capable of doing 640*480 video? I thought it was hardware restricted? :?:
Just had a proper look through the CowBurn code. As far as I can see, this isn't an interface to the camera, but merely a wrapper around the built in camera.exe right?
That's not as crufty as hacking into the HTC dlls/drivers themselves...
V
Seems to be very nice, indeed. Any plans on releasing a working version?
see www.ateksoft.com
OK ZUP! :lol:
Thanks! seems to be a serious effort!
Hope they can get a better result out of the cam than HTC did :wink:
It's already march! Just release it []
NEW VERSION
There is a new version, check the site noted bij suip2006!
It seems that this version is able to capture and save data, but it doesnt work for me
sorry, that seems to be limited to the shareware version, but where is it? :?
ronski said:
sorry, that seems to be limited to the shareware version, but where is it? :?
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I guess they will release it when they are happy with it. I would wait an extra couple of weeks for s/w that works rather than getting something early that's buggy.
TheBrit said:
ronski said:
sorry, that seems to be limited to the shareware version, but where is it? :?
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I guess they will release it when they are happy with it. I would wait an extra couple of weeks for s/w that works rather than getting something early that's buggy.
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But isn't it something like Windows Mobile 5.0 for Magician?
If you hear that its out...willn't you be the first one to try it for real? even a beta buggy one?
This comcoder software is not that important...but its next to win 5.0 and Bluetooth...so its normal we the people who use magician's camera a bit more then general user will be interested to use this....even a buggy one...
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Hi. I have a T-mobile MDA USA and my cousin has a Verizon PPC6700 Apache. I've noticed that the apache has way better quality at taking pictures than the mda. its more sharper and clearer. Does anyone know why? Does it have to do with processor speed? I thought that both cameras of these two devices use the same hardware. Sorry if anyone has asked this already. but I would really like to have that sharp quality on my mda. Thanks a whole lot!
even my "old" SPV C500 takes better pictures than the Wizard, the images are really unusuable with the wizard ...
don't know if the hardware is to blame, but I do hope is the software and that soon will be some updates for this
I have done a search but can't really find much on the camera settings. I am struggling to get good photos using the MDA Vario 2. I used to get great ones with my MDA III.
Can anyone advise me on which settings will get me a half decent photo. I am not a camera buff and just want to use it generally a bit more not that my digital camera has died. I just cant seem to get it right?
thanks
Same here - with my Vadafone - picture quality was better on my Nokia 6600 mobile - is there a better application out there that take better qulity photos for the device?
Try CoolCamera 1.15b
What? Hermes camera is alright!! Here check out my pictures, i took them all w/ the hermes. http://flickr.com/photos/sutheep
If you like it leave a comment
sutheep said:
What? Hermes camera is alright!! Here check out my pictures, i took them all w/ the hermes. http://flickr.com/photos/sutheep
If you like it leave a comment
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I agree with you. Good pictures are possible. Some folks like to tweak the brightness and contrast, although I find the base settings ok. But I wouldn't try taking good photos in dark/semi dark conditions - it's not good. The Macro along with flash works ok at night for really close up stuff but the flash is of little use for distance pitures at night.
In good light it's really pretty good at 1 and 2 megapixel setting. Keep in mind the pictures at this definition also appear much better when transferred to your PC. I can get a full 17 inch screen size with little or no pixelation at 2 megapixels and also clearer and brighter than it appears on the Hermes screen.
Mike
@mobilecat
I'm really disappointed with the tytn's camera - i have an Orange M3100 version.
Try changing the sharpness and contrast settings both to 1.
It seems to be a fault that they are factory set at +7 and +6, ruining your chance of getting a good photo. Much better set as 1, especially the sharpness as it will otherwise draw a bold line around the detail. Unfortunately a restart resets to default.
Not sure about the T-Mobile version but the Orange version also will not take pics on the 2M superfine settings in most light conditions, you either get a blank pic or the camera app crashes and needs a restart.
I do love the tytn, just disappointed with the camera app, I have to mess about more with this than I do with my Canon SLR!
I'm not saying this is the case with all tytns, but the 3 I have had and the 2 others I have handled (all orange spv M3100) all suffer from the same issues.
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@mobilecat
I'm really disappointed with the tytn's camera - i have an Orange M3100 version.
Try changing the sharpness and contrast settings both to 1.
It seems to be a fault that they are factory set at +7 and +6, ruining your chance of getting a good photo. Much better set as 1, but a restart resets to crappy default.
Not sure about the T-Mobile version but the Orange version also will not take pics on the 2M superfine settings in most light conditions, you either get a blank pic or the camera app crashes and needs a restart.
I do love the tytn but very disappointed with the camera app, I have to mess about more with this than I do with my Canon SLR!
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I agree it's annoying it loses the tweaked settings you enter. BUT have you seen Sutheeps examples using his link - they're great!!
As good as a friends off the shelf 8Meg camera!!
Mike
Hi, I just downloaded the CoolCamera app, pushed the settings to max and snapped away; no crashes, no blank pics. Can't test this properly until daylight but this does look hopeful.
Agreed, Mike, I do admit that I have got a handful of very decent pics but I generally stopped using the camera as many more crashes and I'm sure I would have ended up throwing the tytn at the subject!
Fingers crossed, this coolcamera might be the end of the only gripe I have. I'm sure the problem is something to do with the Orange software.
Guest69 said:
Hi, I just downloaded the CoolCamera app, pushed the settings to max and snapped away; no crashes, no blank pics. Can't test this properly until daylight but this does look hopeful.
Agreed, Mike, I do admit that I have got a handful of very decent pics but I generally stopped using the camera as many more crashes and I'm sure I would have ended up throwing the tytn at the subject!
Fingers crossed, this coolcamera might be the end of the only gripe I have. I'm sure the problem is something to do with the Orange software.
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Hope it works well and the subjects are safe!!!!!
Mike
Agreed again: Sutheep, those pics are great, did you have it on fine or superfine?
Guest69;1078905 said:
Hi, I just downloaded the CoolCamera app, pushed the settings to max and snapped away; no crashes, no blank pics. Can't test this properly until daylight but this does look hopeful.
Agreed, Mike, I do admit that I have got a handful of very decent pics but I generally stopped using the camera as many more crashes and I'm sure I would have ended up throwing the tytn at the subject!
Fingers crossed, this coolcamera might be the end of the only gripe I have. I'm sure the problem is something to do with the Orange software.
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How's it been working out for you?
Anybody know where to find CoolCamera? www.ateksoft.com isn't a good url now.
@berdinkerdickle
as an update,
I'm still more than happy with the results using CoolCamera, I do occasionally get crossover on my images: the edge of a pic has a thin border on one side of the previous image. I do rarely get blank images when set to maximum quality. The interface, IMO can be a little complicated but once used to it, I like the extended settings options. The standard app on the m3100, for me, is not worth turning on: constant crashes and blank pics every time it's used. I know this is probably a fault with the Orange firmware, or maybe just my handset but the previous 2 units were the same.
I have had some fabulous, impressive results from using coolcamera in half-decent lighting conditions, without it I simply would not use the camera.
I know others are getting good results from the built-in app, which is why I feel it's an Orange firmware issue, but if you're having trouble getting decent results yourself, even after turning the default sharpness and contrast settings down (again and again - reboot resets to silly default), give coolcamera a try.
here's a zip of about 10 recent pics http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ox7rv
If you want to know what settings I use, give me a shout.
@losborn
http://www.ateksoft.com/ seems to be working fine for me
With regard to coolcamera / hermes camera I have a few questions..
1. Does it hold settings after soft reboot usiong coolcamera software?
2. what is the frame rate on the maximum video out of the main camera?
3. is there any white balance or apperture settings in this model?
I've just ordered a Jas Jam and am curious more than anything. I had no intention of using the camera until I saw a few of these shots.
cheers,
sutheep said:
What? Hermes camera is alright!! Here check out my pictures, i took them all w/ the hermes. http://flickr.com/photos/sutheep
If you like it leave a comment
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Hey man...great photos!!!
What settings did you use on the hermes cam app?
Thanks,
G
Have you tried the newer Camera application? It works well imho and people have reported that settings stick on it (though to be honest, I've not noticed either way).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301629
i believe settings stick on any ROM above 2.x, ie 3.x and wm6.
i have always had issues when lighting is less than perfect, ie to bright or to dark.
but in the main, it works overall well. if i want exotic brilliant photos, use a real camera is the theme.
i also use the webcamera function at ateksoft, which is handy. have the cool camera app, but not really tested or used.
i suppose the moral of the story is, if you drive a road and trail motorbike, dont expect to perform as a road bike or a trail bike, when you buy hybrids you get the jack of all trades master of none scenario, same applies to all sorts on the HTC phones, not a good phone, not a good calendar, not a good computer, not a good camera, not a good music player, but capable of doing all of them to mediocrity.
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danieletroiano said:
Try CoolCamera 1.15b
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I did some test and I did get the same quality pictures from CoolCamera and HTC Camera. There is no big deal with use other software.
Regards,
Taguapire.
simon_darley said:
i believe settings stick on any ROM above 2.x, ie 3.x and wm6.
i have always had issues when lighting is less than perfect, ie to bright or to dark.
but in the main, it works overall well. if i want exotic brilliant photos, use a real camera is the theme.
i also use the webcamera function at ateksoft, which is handy. have the cool camera app, but not really tested or used.
i suppose the moral of the story is, if you drive a road and trail motorbike, dont expect to perform as a road bike or a trail bike, when you buy hybrids you get the jack of all trades master of none scenario, same applies to all sorts on the HTC phones, not a good phone, not a good calendar, not a good computer, not a good camera, not a good music player, but capable of doing all of them to mediocrity.
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Maybe so but I think for a phone it does the calendar/camera/music/running add on programs better then most other phones. As a phone, it's not the best but to be able to go out, not bring a phone, PPC, mp3 player, cheap pocket sized point and shoot camera - it's great! Plus I think my only issue with it as a phone is it's bulk. Call quality for me is pretty darned good. It's the best reception of any phone I've ever had in my house. It's my fav phone I've had since my Motorola StarTac
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Maybe so but I think for a phone it does the calendar/camera/music/running add on programs better then most other phones. As a phone, it's not the best but to be able to go out, not bring a phone, PPC, mp3 player, cheap pocket sized point and shoot camera - it's great! Plus I think my only issue with it as a phone is it's bulk. Call quality for me is pretty darned good. It's the best reception of any phone I've ever had in my house. It's my fav phone I've had since my Motorola StarTac
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Oh the StarTac, what a phone!!! The best phone i had (before this) was my Nokia 7110.