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Just wanted to know what service plans would be good for JasJar in the USA.
I use T-Mobile but of course we americans are lagging behind on mobile technology communications. I find I cannot use half of the features and it doesnt even have EDGE support. So wondering if any of you have T-Mobile in the USA and what service/internet plans are you using? :?:
I find I cannot use half of the features
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That's a bit of an exageration. The only thing you cannot use is 2100MHz UTMS. Everything else works fine.
You really only have Cingular and T-Mobile from which to pick in the US. Cingular has more coverage, but there are some 850MHz areas where the JasJar will not function as a phone. The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet. As others have lamented, the only thing this phone is missing (mostly for those of us on this side of the pond) is a quad-band radio, and EDGE or 1900MHz UTMS.
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The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet.
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I definitely have to second this. I've looked at other plans, Cingular as well as going something "non-sim" before I got the Jasjar, and nothing seemed to come close to the $20 unlimited data with TMo. My minutes and data combined with TMo are less than the unlimited data alone with some others.
It all depends on your needs though. I don't spend a lot of time in areas that aren't covered by TMo, so that issue is moot and price can play a larger factor for me.
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ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?
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ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?
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Unfortunately, the news on 3G networks in the USA is not very good for us Universal owners. Cingular has already started to implement their 3G service in a few markets in the US and will be expanding their 3G service in 2006. I haven't heard anything about T-Mobile's 3G plans yet. Unfortunately, however, Cingular's 3G network works at 1900MHz and T-Mobile's most likely will as well. This means that even if Cingular or T-Mobile provide 3G service the Universal won't work with it, because the Universal only supports 3G at 2100MHz.
In the US, the 2100MHz band currently belongs to the US Military and there are rumors that that band may be made available to cell phone providers in 2007, but even if that happens, but the time the band is available and the service providers start using it I'm sure that my universal will be obsolete.
I'm using a Universal in the USA right now, but I don't expect to ever be able to use it on a 3G network here.
Brett
EDGE on MDA Pro/JasJar
So you're saying EDGE won't work on the MDA Pro? According to T-Mobile, EDGE is already in place in most of its US network. Also, GPRS to EDGE from the providers standpoint basically involved a software update. Can this be done on the MDA Pro as well?
One final question. Anyone know how I can find out if my MDA Pro has the latest rom and where to get updates. My phone came from Germany (T-Mobile)?
The Universal does not do Edge afaik. The HTC Wizzard does do edge. So the only difference between the two for US users (who cant use 2100MHz UMTS) is the low res screen on the wizzard, and the fact that the wizzard is a whole lot more portable. Oh and the mini SD port!
Here in the UK, none of the networks support edge, which is a bit of a pain for wizzard owners! I would have had a wizzard for the smaller size if edge were available in UK, or if wizzard was 3G !
Nigel
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If I choose then to sell may MDA Pro, what would you recommend as being the most comparable item that will at least work with EDGE and UMTS @ 1900 in the USA. I am otherwise very satisfied but one reason why I paid a premium price was to have something that would not be obsolete too soon, be able to work with the next generation (3G) and be downward compatible (EDGE, GPRS).
I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.
I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.
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I too am using my JasJar with T-Mobile in the US and am quite happy with the service. I recognize that I will not be able to use 3G with this device, but I'm OK with that. For me the features of the device far outweigh that single drawback.
Brand new to forum, so I apologize in advance....
I have Tmo for last 4 years, and a Sidekick device for 2 years (SK1, then upgraded to SK2). Now the SK3 is available, but it won't allow me to connect my laptop to GPRS/G3/EDGE, etc...
So now I am considering switching devices to either a Tmobile MDA or Cingular 8125 Pocket PC in order to connect my laptop to these wireless networks via a CF Bluetooth Wireless Card http://www.socketcom.com/product/BL4539-642.asp.
Cingular has a decent plan at $70/month unlimited, and Tmobile is around $100/month. I just wonder which device performs better for this function, the Cingular 8125 Pocket PC or the Tmobile MDA. I'm told that the Sidekick3 is bluetooth compatible, but the data plan is different than for the other devices because the SK3 uses the manufacturer server connections rather than Tmobile's own network. (This would explain why the SK2/SK3 data plan is unlimited versus the PC notebook datacard plans that Tmobile offers at a higher cost.) I really like the Cingular $70 unlimited plan, and the 8125 Pocket PC, but I am partial to the Sidekick device since it's familiar. In addition, I have Bluetooth stereo headphones (by IoGear) that utilize A2DP, but the reviews of the Cingular 8125 Pocket PC all indicate that it doesn't connect with A2DP. Is there a fix for this?
So back to my original question: Who suggests which device over the other for connecting a laptop to the wireless networks (such as EDGE/G3/GPRS, but not WiFi), and what kind of connection speed would I expect to obtain?
Any feedback and advice appreciated.
First of all the Cingular 8125 and T-Mobile MDA are almost the same device sans the casing.
As far as I have known T-Mobile is trailing Cingular when it comes to the Data Server. While Cingular is getting ready for full 3G connectivity, T-Mobile just launched their EDGE server a couple of months ago.
There is actually a huge difference using a device like a Sidekick and a Pocket PC ... while the Sidekick is fun and really popular here in the US, the Pocket PC is slowly starting to be recognized here ... The Pocket PC is a more versatile device compared to a SideKick aka Danger Hiptop or Blackberry ... While all of them are similar functionality, each device is geared toward a different market. BlackBerry is obviously for the business / corporate crowd while the SideKick is for the student / young mobile users. The pocket pc is on both extremities ... it can be for fun and a serious workhorse ...
I would honestly hold off from getting the 8125 or the MDA (or the rest of the world knows is as the MDA Vario) since there is an upgraded model of these devices called HTC Hermes / TyTn / Qtek 9600 / XDA Trion which offers full 3G capability not like the 8125 and the (US) MDA which only uses EDGE.
From experience, either just bring your mobile device (i.e. pocket pc) and use to surf the net ...(that's how i use my XDA Exec / HTC Universal) or just get a separate data card for your laptop ... then if you want to have internet connectivity on your laptop just move your SIM card to your data card and you won't any bluetooth issues!
with bluetooth headset issues, the original ROM which was shipping with obth MDA and 8125 weren't ready for that but there are updates for these ROMs which make them compatible ...
enjoy!
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I would honestly hold off from getting the 8125 or the MDA (or the rest of the world knows is as the MDA Vario) since there is an upgraded model of these devices called HTC Hermes / TyTn / Qtek 9600 / XDA Trion which offers full 3G capability not like the 8125 and the (US) MDA which only uses EDGE.
enjoy!
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Great information!!! I am going to get the 8125 and unlock it to use with my T-Mobile service in a couple of weeks... Do you think I should also hold out for the HTC Hermes??? When is it comming out??? I wont be using EDGE at all, I will be using Wifi. So do you think it would be worth it for me to wait???
Rjp20
is both those odd very locked sidekicks and blackbarry
mainly a american thing ?
never seen much of them other places
apart from ppl wanting pda's to do push stuff like bbarry can
Hey RJP20,
well, it depends if you are just waiting for Cingular / T-Mobile to release them in the US ..... if you are then you'll wait a LOOOOOOOOONG time ... while if your willing to buy the device without a plan the upgraded version will be available in the next month or so ...
if you are just using the WiFi capability, well it would depend on you, but the upgrade isn't just on 3G but also the processor speed as well. Look into getting a HTC Universal if you want it for surfing the 'net through WiFi ... it has the largest screen ...
i don't really see the point of getting a Cingular 8125 / T-Mobile MDA (Vario) and not using the EDGE/3G capability and just using the WiFi component ... i would rather get the Sony VAIO UX series palm sized PC... well that's my 2 cents worth ...
Hey Rudegar,
Yup you are totally correct. The US market is quite odd when it comes to mobile devices. Actually Sidekicks are just for T-Mobile in the US while Blackberries are locked to a phone carrier which is very odd since the hardware is all the same. Essentially you can unlock all of these phones and uses on either network but a vast majority of users here do not know what is the technology behind the wireless devices.
It's a little more complex here in the US since the rest of the world basically uses GSM/GPRS/EDGE technology, here in the US, 50% of the users are using CDMA devices which is basically a standard which should've been laid to rest because you are limited to whatever devices the carrier sells or if you could find an "unlocked" CDMA phone ...
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
Just out of curiosity, why do think there will be such a long wait for Cingular/T-Mobile to release Hermes in the U.S. associated with plans?
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Hey RJP20,
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
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not to come on strong but if you really knew where verizon came from you wouldnt be saying that. verizon is one part of the former AT&T or as it is referred to as MA BELL. if that isnt enough infrmation then i suggest google. cingular was also born out of this.
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Hey RJP20,
There is an aggressive marketing plan here in the US to keep the competition between GSM and CDMA at a very high level.... proof? ... well the largest CDMA based carried is Verizon and who owns Verizon? it's one of the biggest GSM carriers in the world - Vodafone ... The only way Vodafone would be able to get into the US Market was to use CDMA technology and not GSM according to the government.
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not to come on strong but if you really knew where verizon came from you wouldnt be saying that. verizon is one part of the former AT&T or as it is referred to as MA BELL. if that isnt enough infrmation then i suggest google. cingular was also born out of this.
will the g1-data plan on t-mobile work in a unlocked iphone 3g? becuase both use 3g and t-mobiles is way faster and better
I would imagine as long as it's that sim card, it should work. That's how normal T-Mobile data works anyhoo
im almost positive that it wont work, there are many threads saying that at&t and t-mobile use two different 3g/utms bands i think tmobile is 2100/1700 and at&t is something else.
the g1 cant work on the at&t's 3g so im guessing iphone wont work on TMO. do a search and you find more indepth reasons
i am talking abt england not america so will my unlocked iphone 3g work with a t-mobile uk g1 data plan? uk iphones are on 02
what band does the iphone run on? are you using it on orange? i think it might work since orange also uses 2100mhz
i have no idea but in england i used t-mobile in my iphone 2g just wondering if it will work in the 3g one
Hi. This might be a dumb question, but i couldnt find the answer. Can a boostmobile sim card be used in an unlocked Streak?
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I would say no it will not because Boost mobile uses iDEN network which supports the walk talky feature on boostmobile. I had a Motorola Clutch from boostmobile and tried to use the sim card in my Unlocked Nokia 5800 and it wouldn't work because GSM sim cards are different from iDEN sim cards and they are different networks. What I did after that was go over to T-Mobiles even more plus plan which is a no contract plan like boostmobiles is and for $50 a month i got 500 minutes and unlimited texts and data and since T-Mobile is GSM, the sim card will work in just about every sim card phone since most of them support GSM.
Sprint is phasing out the iDEN network and I think boostmobile is the only carrier that is actually using it. I hope this helps and I would recommend switching to T-mobiles even more plus plan if you want a contract free plan and want to be able to use any unlocked GSM phone that you want. You just have to call t-mobiles customer service and they will set you up and send you a sim card with in the 1-3 business days. If you get t-mobile and get the unlocked dell streak you will not have 3G data speeds however. you will be stuck on 2G (edge) since it doesn't have the frequency for t-mobiles 3G connection.
Hey thanks a lot. I'll be switching to tmobile soon enough.
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You're welcome. You can try and see if it will work but I doubt it will.
The answer is no.
An IDEN sim will not work in a GSM device.
Or vice versa.
Don't waste your time.
Witch is the best network to put wildfire on in the UK I am on o2 and in lake district thorts please
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I would say either t-mobile or Orange as they use each others network if you lose signal and at no extra cost.
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I would say either t-mobile or Orange as they use each others network if you lose signal and at no extra cost.
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exchanging the signals. is it for calls and messages only, or is it for gprs & 3g also.
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exchanging the signals. is it for calls and messages only, or is it for gprs & 3g also.
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GPRS & 3g also as far as i can tell.....
The reason they did this is 'i suspect' because there coverage is crap.
They don't seem to like investing in signal stations, even with the T-Mobile deal my experience of coverage with Orange is not good, but they are cheaper then most.
I will be dropping the Orange plan like a stone as soon as the contract is up, and am switching to 3-Net.
This because no matter where i, or people known to me go with an Orange phone there never quite seems to be a strong or stable signal, this T-Mobile Orange interchanging, to me seems to have made little or no difference, i think they were broadly sharing the same stations anyway, to me it just looks like marketing, 'we have more coverage because we work together' rubbish, in fact the opposite seems true.
It works with everything. Can't fault it tbh. If you choose t-mobile, you just text yes to 2121 and wait for text reply and phone auto changes network when needed. I'm on T-Mobile but have phone set to use t-mobile_Orange manually as it better signal and get full 3g coverage all time at no extra cost.
I was with 3 but signal started dropping off every so often then nothing. Called up to query it and was told that 3 stopped paying orange to use their network when weak signal so managed to get out of contract .
This won't happen with t-mobile orange as the 2 firms merged in Sept 2010.
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Whereabouts in the Lake District are you? My experience is that Orange seem to be the best network in the Lakes. I'm from Preston btw so this is only experience from the many visits I have made.
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Asda Mobile (vodafone based network) is the best so far. In area's where i live is loads of black spots and i can still use my phone, its funny watching people on a train going HELLO HELLO f**k and i am still chatting away they are cheap too 8p per minute to all phones and 4p a text.
I'm with T-mobile, they give me a generous 1GB internet buffer, and ACTUAL unlimited texts. Signal's usually fine, as people have said, you can share Orange's signal. It is 2G ONLY though, so no 3G. Although you can still get EDGE or something like that for 2G data, it's really slow though.
The problem with o2 is you pay x pounds a month for 500mb or 1gb of data and if you go over it it is 3 pounds (can't find the icon on this gingerbread Keyboard - anyone want to port the HTC one to a galaxy tab?) Per MB whilst on T-Mobile you get unlimited web browsing but there is a 500 MB fair usage for streaming video (YouTube) and downloading. Files (you can wait until you are on wifi) and they stop you streaming and downloading when you reach 500mb and don't charge you from what I read on their site. Try getting a payg. Sim and seeing which network. Has best coverage
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I'm with T-mobile, they give me a generous 1GB internet buffer, and ACTUAL unlimited texts. Signal's usually fine, as people have said, you can share Orange's signal. It is 2G ONLY though, so no 3G. Although you can still get EDGE or something like that for 2G data, it's really slow though.
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I can never get edge on o2! (I'm near London) its either 3g or gprs
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Thanks all for your thorts
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is it for calls and messages only, or is it for gprs & 3g also.
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if i remember it should be for calls and texts only, i think you may be charged for data usage, mind you that was at the beginning of the year and knowing t-mobile they like to change there T&Cs with out telling people so i could be wrong
hey guys over UK.
have u got any 3G networks with unlimited data usage (download).
if so, can u add a note of cost per month.
T-mobile is deffo 3g and no charge for data when on orange network. I queried this. Was 2g only to start but now 3g and data included. Been in since Jan and never charged any extra. I'm contracted T-Mobile and use orange most of time as its better signal out in the sticks
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T-mobile is deffo 3g and no charge for data when on orange network. I queried this. Was 2g only to start but now 3g and data included. Been in since Jan and never charged any extra. I'm contracted T-Mobile and use orange most of time as its better signal out in the sticks
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I can also confirm this.
3s one plan is unlimited data for 20 a month sim only
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I`m on T mobile payg and got a"Booster" which is unlimited internet for £20 for 6 months, and as previous posters have said there is no problem anywhere I`ve been with the signal.Just switch on roaming and the phone picks up the strongest signal,although by default it goes for the T mobile one.
And as mentioned before there is a fair usage policy for the data, but I think you would have to be using youTube heavily or something similar to get a problem.In my local T mobile shop they said they send you a polite letter asking you to cut down first,but if you persist using heavily they would then limit you,but as i only do the occasional browsing and e-mails it has not bothered me
any VODAFONE UK members.
how is the network. is there 3G and what about data plans.
I'm on t mob and for me the signals always fine check out the company's websites for covrerage checkers...
I get (for £10 a month)
100 free texts - although its always unlimited cos of flexible booster!
100 min
Unlimited data
That's a win right?
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