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Are there NO news on the Linux developement ?

I follow the Wiki very well since months, but there seems to be no news on Linux-Porting efforts!?
Is the project stopped, or where have I to look for the current state, news and problems?
I am willing to help, - but I am a linux newby.
Is there some Kind of Mailing Archive for the developement? The one in Sourceforge seems not to be used since a year!!
Where can I follow the current status ?
Best Info I found, and I am refering therefore is http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=30148#30148

JuNuKN said:
Where can I follow the current status ?
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The Himalaya code is merged into the handhelds.org CVS. The main problem
is the missing SD driver, which should be
reverse engineered from the wince code.
So at the current stage linux on the HTC
PDAs (HP ipaq hx4700 included) is not for
newbees

so basically, do you mean that those smart Linux Developper are not able to code that SD driver and will steal into Microsoft OS?
No wonder Microsoft is calling that stealing intellectual property!

well unless the hardware sdchip maker or the software dll maker let people in on the interface there really is no way to make a new interface without reverse eng the existing stuff

unlockMe said:
so basically, do you mean that those smart Linux Developper are not able to code that SD driver and will steal into Microsoft OS?
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The Linux developers don't have the hardware datasheet for ATI Imageon chip
that describes how the SD interface works.
If you have followed the Linux driver development, the majority of drivers are
reverse engineered, because many
hardware companies think that
hadrware description is
"intellectual property".
unlockMe said:
No wonder Microsoft is calling that stealing intellectual property!
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Who cares what microsoft says ?
Reverse engineering for interoperability
is legal
even in the "Land of the Free".

Isn't it going on (elsewhere) ?
It seems, that the developement is going on (elsewhere) ....
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCWallaby
NEWS 2005/4/4
*
Added support for flash and gsm-(bootloader) uarts.
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New binary distribution v0.2.

greetings all. i'm new here, so forgive me if this has all been asked before.
i've got one of these BlueAngels (mine's branded i-Mate) and small annoyances with wince drove me to look into running linux on my PDA. i think that i can be of help on this project and would like to talk to others who have made some progress already.
my main question in this: how similar are the wallaby, himalaya and blueangel? should I be able to get as far as previous developers have with those other devices? I cannot find much information on the blueangel in the wiki here and information on HTC devices at handhelds.org is scarce. do i just need to keep digging?

sjs said:
how similar are the wallaby, himalaya and blueangel?
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himalaya and blueangel are similar,
wallaby is different.
sjs said:
I cannot find much information on the blueangel in the wiki here and information on HTC devices at handhelds.org is scarce.
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Take the himalaya wiki as a basis and
change the things that differ, for example,
MMU 1st level descriptor table is at A01D0000.
WiFi is ACX100-based.
Find out if ASIC3 SDIO (driver exists) or ATI3220 SDIO (???) is used.
Read on handhelds.org about the HP hx4000 and hx4700 ipaqs - they are also by made HTC.

Isn't it possible to use Qtopia or Movista on these HTC devices?

cr2 said:
himalaya and blueangel are similar,
wallaby is different.
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ok, this is what i suspected. i've been reading more on the himalaya as that is what is supported by the current hh.org kernel. i'm hoping to have success running one of those kernels on my device as soon as i get it to compile. since they both have a pxa263 i think it should work. (famous last words)
cr2 said:
Take the himalaya wiki as a basis and
change the things that differ, for example,
MMU 1st level descriptor table is at A01D0000.
WiFi is ACX100-based.
Find out if ASIC3 SDIO (driver exists) or ATI3220 SDIO (???) is used.
Read on handhelds.org about the HP hx4000 and hx4700 ipaqs - they are also by made HTC.
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thank you for this info. i will have to start reading a lot. i'm currently reading the intel dev manual for the pxa processors... unfortunately between school and work there's not a lot of time for this but as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. 8)

Jainoxi said:
Isn't it possible to use Qtopia or Movista on these HTC devices?
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Qtopia works off the raw framebuffer.
If you have the working framebuffer driver,
then yes.

sjs said:
Rome wasn't built in a day. 8)
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Here is some more info.

thank you again. i think once i grasp how the kernel boots this device (first time hacking on a kernel) and familiarize myself with the dev manual i'm going to attempt to get a console on the device. i still have to see how far the lcd and keyboard drivers are.
have you had any success booting a kernel on this device? i have gotten as far as haret showing me a fully red thermometer and the penguin's eyes changing but then it freezes, every time. the only kernel i have attempted so far is the 2.6.3 one for the himalaya on the wiki. i would be happy to even see a kernel panic. i haven't used linexec yet, but i don't think haret is the problem here.
there is lots that can be done with haret but i'd rather start debugging the current code to get a feel for it before i jump in and write my first kernel code.

sjs said:
have you had any success booting a kernel on this device?
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No. Buggy haret freezes during boot.
sjs said:
i have gotten as far as haret showing me a fully red thermometer and the penguin's eyes changing but then it freezes, every time.
...
i haven't used linexec yet, but i don't think haret is the problem here.
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Don't waste your time on linexec, because haret is its derivative.
Haret is a nice piece of software, but it has some major problems in linboot.cpp
that should be fixed first.
The booting fails for me here:
preloader = (uint8 *)((mem + 0xfff) & ~0xfff);
preloaderPA = memVirtToPhys ((uint32)preloader);
Output (L"TMP Preloader physical/virtual address: %08x %08x", preloaderPA, preloader);
so i have replaced memVirtToPhys (returning -1) with LockPages, get the "real" physical addresses, but it still doesn't boot.
I don't really get it WTF is this garbage collector stuff doing there. Maybe we
can rewrite it completely, but i don't have
time right now

hi there,
this stuff is really interesting...
may I join you somehow?
buzz

cr2 said:
Here is some more info.
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From atihwtbl0.txt
[USB] //USB
"HostClk"=dword:0x1 // enable function clock if there is a host port
"Port0Mode"=dword:0x2 // 0 disable, 1 host, 2 function, 3 OTG
ATI integrates TransDimension's USB On-The-Go OTG Core into new Imageon display co-processor for handheld devices.
http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news4636.html
There are a lot of datasheets on interfacing to PXA* here
http://www.transdimension.com/downloads/index.html

buzz_lightyear said:
may I join you somehow?
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You can start a blueangel hardware wiki

sjs said:
I cannot find much information on the blueangel in the wiki here and information on HTC devices at handhelds.org is scarce.
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ATI Imageon has hardware 2D acceleration,
MPEG decoder (betaplayer
source code shows how to use it),
USB OTG (as i have mentioned it is enabled in the "function" mode), video capture port
(also can be used), SDIO port (not yet clear if it is used). If we will trust the atihwtbl0.txt
there is an I^2C port (unused) and some
GPIO lines (unused).

cr2 said:
Find out if ATI3220 SDIO (???) is used.
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The SDIO and VIDCAP sections are missing in the atihwtbl0.txt file.
The video capture is working...
[SDIO]
SDIOEnable
CardDetectEnable
ControllerEnable
InvertSDClock
[VIDCAP]
DeviceConnected
ITUFormat

buzz_lightyear said:
may I join you somehow?
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of course! i myself am still getting my feet wet here. currently i'm reading the following intel documents:
(this is roughly the list over at http://zap.eltrast.ru/en/haret.html )
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278638.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278639.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278641.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/intelxscale/273473.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/applnots/278786.htm
These are somewhat in order of decreasing importance (according to HaRET's author). I'm just past pg. 100 of the first one listed, PXA26x developer's manual.
As cr2 said, a page for the Blue Angel's hardware on the wiki here would be useful.
I haven't found any sites with anything really useful apart from on www.handhelds.org and this website here (obviously excluding intel's documentation), but perhaps someone else knows of some other fruitful sources.

Universal Diagnostic Tool/Program

Is possible to download this somewhere? Of course with some little guide how to use it

zedino said:
Is possible to download this somewhere? Of course with some little guide how to use it
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Hi,
did you ever find this program somewhere?
J.

not 100% sure that it works on the universal as i've never tried it, but SiSoft Sandra has/had some kindof pocket pc function.
Maybe i'll download it and try it out.

Hey guys,
what are you exactly looking for
I think a general diagnostic program has never appeared, but you might find many applications to check the functions of your universal, e.g.:
A tool named powerdetect, which is excellent to check your battery,
a tool called cpuid, which gives you detailed information about the CPU (nothing more ),
excellent task manager which gives some details about the OS,
and there's is an excellent benchmark program around here ...
But i don't know, maybe there's some engineering tool from HTC???
At least you might check your hardware with booting linux. There are excellent ways to get some information about the hardware and it's function with this OS!
scholbert

There is one program named DS2760K. You can see Print Screen of it in Universal Service Manual

I never found different HTC utlity programs ;(
According to different service manuals most of them are delivered on special HTC "gold" card as XXXXDIAG.nbh files.
I found power control progs for HTC products called PowerDetect.
File model.txt shows us data for different units:
Galaxy 0,10,11,11
Colorado_adds 0,8,9,9
Universal 0,10,11,11
Apache 0,10,11,11
Sable 0,10,11,11
Hermes 0,10,11,11
Wizard 0,4,5,5
Prodigy 0,4,5,5
Charmer 0,4,5,5
Prophet 0,4,5,5
iBadge 0,10,11,11
Dresden 0,10,11,11
Napa 0,10,11,11

TyTN cellid?

Hi. I am writing a freeware social networking application based on location services ( http://www.fightersoft.ro/mts/index.htm ). Although many devices are supported, it seems that the HTC TyTN isn't. To that end I acquired one and now I am on the quest on getting the cellid in my application.
The approach that should of worked was the COM port. However, no matter what COM port I open, I get a create file error. I am guessing that maybe the internal modem uses a weird port name such as COM550 or other letters instead of COM. I know that another way of getting the cellid is by using ril.dll (or even getting the handle to the gsm modem com port). However, in WM5 this is not documented at all on msdn.com - BUT for WM6 there is documentation.
Firstly, I want to ask anyone if they have extra information about this issue and secondly if by upgrading to WM6, the using the COM port approach works from the box (usually COM9)?

hi, I tryed many programs, which have actually support for cellid information, but no one work on herm, no matter if it was WM5 or WM6. on all phones, I had before it worked correctly... phone alarm also have this functionality, but shown only something like 00-00...

This is so frustrating. Every mobile device with GSM capabilities has a GSM modem insinde. That modem SHOULD be accesible from the OS by the means of COM ports. My guess is that this port is hidden or under a different name than the rest of the HTC devices where it resides on COM9.

CommMgrPro shows Cell Id and Location Area Code correctly on TyNT

I started this thread in the hopes that people will contribute with ideas towards getting this task done. Can you reveal any technical information on how you get the cellid information?

stargatesg1 said:
I started this thread in the hopes that people will contribute with ideas towards getting this task done. Can you reveal any technical information on how you get the cellid information?
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Sure. Ril.dll gives you access to this information and works properly in WM5-WM6. And technically is easier than manager serial drivers......
Documentation isnt included in WM5 so it isnt "official" but realky It is included. The only problem for "not official" issue is you wont get support from microsoft....
Ask me what you want...

stargatesg1, if you have searched the forum, you'd already have the answer. For instance, this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280476&highlight=cellid
has a reference to RIL API. And I do remember I told you this some months ago in your another thread...
Here it is:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1040464&postcount=27
It was at October 26 last year!

Basically I only need the cellid and the lac. I found that msdn.com offers documentation for ril.dll for WM6. This also works for WM5?
From what I learned from msdn.com is that I should do a ril.initialize first and then I should get the cell info using a fuction that I can't remember right now. Is this approach correct?
Lurker0, I know about this approach (I have mentioned it in my first post) however, I need more information because c++ native is not my primary envoirement for developing. That's why I kept searching for a way of getting the lac-cid from com ports so that I could do it directly from managed code.

stargatesg1 said:
Basically I only need the cellid and the lac. I found that msdn.com offers documentation for ril.dll for WM6. This also works for WM5?
From what I learned from msdn.com is that I should do a ril.initialize first and then I should get the cell info using a fuction that I can't remember right now. Is this approach correct?
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Exactly. I downloaded Platform builder to have includes and libraries.
1) Initialize Ril
2.a) Request Position explicitally using a RIL_gettowerinfo
2.b) When you initializa Ril you can pass a callback to be notified upon location changes....

Did you read the source code for RIL interface that I pointed you to?

danielherrero, I see. Regarding the callback function is not neccessary in my app - the user or the app set on auto mode searches for changes in location. Thank you very much for your info.
Lurker0, yes I did, but like I said, I am not a very experienced c++ programmer and I need some documentation to get me started. I am also very greatful for your help and I am sure that I will use information from rilclass.cpp.
Thank you both, I will post back with the results as soon as I will have any.

Good luck

Hi StargateSG,
Did you succeeded in getting MTS working on Tytn?
Rgds

I had to leave the country on a business trip. I'll get back in a few days and I will start working on the problem.

danielherrero said:
CommMgrPro shows Cell Id and Location Area Code correctly on TyNT
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Does nothing on the Blue Angel.

[REQ/REL] USB camera driver

I found source code for USB camera driver from Microsoft (usbcam.dll) it is for Windows CE and it is compatible with Windows Mobile. It need to be compiled for IntelXscale and/or ARM (depending on device)... Maybe someone here can try. It support around 30 usb web camera models with USB 1 and 2. It include also filter:
; Register JPEG -> RGB filter
; This filter is intended for use with the usbcam.dll, which
; produces output in the JPEG/MJPEG formats
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There are 4 files:
usbcam.dll (Driver)
jpeg2rgb.dll (Support file - Filter)
usbcam.reg
jpeg2rgb.reg
Developer of this code confirm that it can be compiled for WM 5/6
Microsoft has released a webcam driver (with source) that does support a Direct Show interface. It is written for CE 6, but could be recompiled for Win Mobile 5/6 since they support Direct Show capture drivers.
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Please help, im sure that it will work, there is many devices with USB Host and web cameras are so cheap... That would be great if someone will help !

so this means that with a usb-host capable device,
it is possible to use an external camera?

xeirwn said:
so this means that with a usb-host capable device,
it is possible to use an external camera?
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If someone will compile it... yes
Here is quote from description:
"The driver supports both USB 1.x and 2.0 (high-speed) cameras. The driver will
expose both uncompressed and MJPEG modes, if supported by the camera."

anyone ? This should be simple...

This would be very cool
to connect a webcam to the phone
(right, that's what it's for?)

NisseDILLIGAF said:
This would be very cool
to connect a webcam to the phone
(right, that's what it's for?)
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Yes, but USB host is requried...
Ehh it look like I must compile it myself... So many programmers here but noone can do it...

my device Xda Flame has USB OTG version 1.2 compliant. (USB On-The-Go)
and can connect to HD, flash memory, keyboard, mouse etc.
I have posted on our forum http://xdaflameusers.com/viewtopic.php?id=1447
Still no reply..
Really hope someone makes use of this

If you check the developer's link, you can download webcam.dll file (from WebCam_100.zip )
also checked the discussions, a CamTest app is mentioned but where is it??
webcamWhitePaper.doc is also interesting..
EDIT: found the Camtest but no exe file! dl from http://devpi.free.fr/wince/camtest2_cpp.zip

sorry for double posting, but I think I found the answer from the developer himself
As for your initial question, I'm not sure this driver will do what you want. You to want to use the webcam with a Windows Mobile system. If however, you want to display the image through media player, this driver won't help. It doesn't support a proper Direct Show interface.
Microsoft has released a webcam driver (with source) that does support a Direct Show interface. It is written for CE 6, but could be recompiled for Win Mobile 5/6 since they support Direct Show capture drivers. The link for that driver is
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...c0-a4ae-42cc-abd0-c466787c11f2&DisplayLang=en
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copied from here:
http://www.codeplex.com/cewebcam/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=17584

I was very close to run it... I used webcam.dll from codeplex (version for arm) but it was compiled for win ce... I used registry key whiich was included to regiister hardware type. Wheen I connected camera it as usualy ask for drivver... but surprise here - it doesn't do this again as usualy, instead of this it show "error installing driver". Camera test is not exe becouse it like driver need to be compiled for windows mobile like driver. I am 100% sure that if driver, filter and cam test app will be compiled for windows mobile it will work fine.... but we need someone who will do it....

Shame that noone here can help us... developers...

What Happend
Wutsup ppl it seems no one is interested anymore in this, if anybody got progress or someone got compiled wm6,wm5 drivers plz share with us

I think nobody's interested because all our HTC devices have cameras in them already (and most new ones have 2). Why plug in another camera?

I need the same thing...
Industrial application with a USB camera hanging off a windows mobile device. Has anybody compiled this driver into windows mobile?
Thanks,
Linda

The project sounds interesting, but I don't think the ExtUSB in HTC devices support host mode. Plus, having a camera dangling from the only data/ power port on the device sounds like a waste.
What would be more interesting is to find a way to connect a web cam to a bluetooth device. My phone has a back camera, but I'd still love to buy a bluetooth camera to attach to the phone.

Question Gamer edition of Win10

Top platform when it's about consupting resorces. Up to date is aviable just like regular version of windows, but..
Still needed for some additional components which are included in usual windows versions.
For me, Win10 gamerEdition can't recognise Bluetooth sound bar like it's not existing. I try to update Bt enumerator, and Bt device driver, but had no effect with that.
So, anyone got a suggestion what to do or if there's existing some addons or components for Win10 gamer edition?

player4u said:
Top platform when it's about consupting resorces. Up to date is aviable just like regular version of windows, but..
Still needed for some additional components which are included in usual windows versions.
For me, Win10 gamerEdition can't recognise Bluetooth sound bar like it's not existing. I try to update Bt enumerator, and Bt device driver, but had no effect with that.
So, anyone got a suggestion what to do or if there's existing some addons or components for Win10 gamer edition?
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Solved:
Task.mgr/Services/bthserv Automatic
/BthHFSrv Automatic
Was so simple after all..

Try RevisionOS,that's all I had to say

aBetterAndroid. said:
Try RevisionOS,that's all I had to say
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same one they now call ReviOS? Or did I download malware from Internet?
Any example of how they do their processor optimization?

RogerCroc said:
same one they now call ReviOS? Or did I download malware from Internet?
Any example of how they do their processor optimization?
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heres official link with all about ReviOS https://www.revi.cc/
appologgies for my late respond

you should try atlas, its opensauce
https://atlasos.net/