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I've read all post in this board.
but i can't quite understand if lag is really there, if it shows only in certain phone(say carrier,geographical area etcetc) or whatever...
reading random post here and here doesn't give precise informations about this aspect of the hero's user experience.
So i'll make a poll. 4 options of lag-tollerability.
if you vote for the poll, reply describing details of the phone, and a precise description of the lag(where, when, app open...)
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I'm italian so sorry for my dodgy english.
I'm going to refrain from voting until I have a better idea of what precisely people mean by lag.
The only slightly slow thing on my G2 has been the messages - sometimes there has been a bit of a delay opening the list of messages, threads etc.
Today, I waited for all of about..........four whole seconds.
I can live with that.
None of the phone's other functions have any appreciable delay or sluggishness.
It's worth noting, however, that I don't use the Farcebook or Twatter widgits, so I don't know if they cause any lag on other poster's phones.
Compare this to my Vario III/Kaiser which seized up on regular occasions.
And if you had the temerity to hit the 'back' button whilst using PIE, well, it was sometimes quicker to do a soft reset than wait for it to get its arse into gear.
That's the feedback i was looking for.
in my opinion you are in the second option of the pool.
Because it's normal that some application need loading time, and that's not lag nor abnormal..
I voted no lag, but that is because of some modifications I made.
Before I go into detail, here is my definition of "lag":
My device lags if an action that should be instant hangs for a fraction (or more) before taking place. An example of such an action is a screen swipe across the homescreen. It should happen as you perform the swipe, if it doesn't, something is lagging and preventing the screen from moving. Waiting for a calendar to load, an inbox to display, logging in to messenger, that sort of stuff is in my view not lagging. They are usualy an action that loads data for display or modification.
I voted for No lag at all, but I cheated because I have removed the entire Sense UI and its widgets from my device using the Rosie remover from Modaco.
The Sense UI is a great piece of work, but every time I used it I had the feeling the Hero just doesnt have the horsepower to drive such a UI. (Which fits my description of lagging)
So, lagging: No, but only after cheating and reverting to the default Homescreen.
I voted totally no, but it's not exactly true. The phone can sometimes lag abit while it's loading up from sleep mode, also the browser can lag depending on which sites you visit. But both of those examples are very minor and I have never had the phone freeze for more than a second.
Sure the phone could be faster, but when I got it, and after hearing about it's laggyness from reviews I was supprised of how fast it was.
I use the default ROM that came with the phone, and taskkiller isn't even installed.
I have a couple of complaints about this device but lag isn't one of them.
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I voted totally no, but it's not exactly true. The phone can sometimes lag abit while it's loading up from sleep mode, also the browser can lag depending on which sites you visit. But both of those examples are very minor and I have never had the phone freeze for more than a second.
Sure the phone could be faster, but when I got it, and after hearing about it's laggyness from reviews I was supprised of how fast it was.
I use the default ROM that came with the phone, and taskkiller isn't even installed.
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I experience the same thing, I've had doubts on buying the new diamond 2 or the hero, since i've had the diamond 1 for a while I decided to try the android thingy.
Compared to that the diamond lives in the stoneages and experiences lot's of lag, my hero sometimes hesitates when coming out of sleep and when I just refreshed the widget's (got new mail ore weather update) it lags a tiny bit, but I don't consider the hero to lag overall so I voted option 2
Typing quickly makes the keyboard lag quite alot which always winds me up.
Scrolling through contacts is very clunky (maybe due to all of them having pictures and facebook status'). But then again dont offer the feature if its crap.
Messages takes too long to load up.
BAM!
Biffert said:
I voted no lag, but that is because of some modifications I made.
Before I go into detail, here is my definition of "lag":
My device lags if an action that should be instant hangs for a fraction (or more) before taking place. An example of such an action is a screen swipe across the homescreen. It should happen as you perform the swipe, if it doesn't, something is lagging and preventing the screen from moving. Waiting for a calendar to load, an inbox to display, logging in to messenger, that sort of stuff is in my view not lagging. They are usualy an action that loads data for display or modification.
I voted for No lag at all, but I cheated because I have removed the entire Sense UI and its widgets from my device using the Rosie remover from Modaco.
The Sense UI is a great piece of work, but every time I used it I had the feeling the Hero just doesnt have the horsepower to drive such a UI. (Which fits my description of lagging)
So, lagging: No, but only after cheating and reverting to the default Homescreen.
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Did you keep any aspects of Sense UI intact? I don't know what is tied to it as far as the keyboard and music player?
Totally no for me. I thought about 'More of a slight delay' but that would be less accurate, as for the most part things happen very quickly. The keyboard has been known to miss a beat, and large pdf files take a minimum of time to load up the pages as you scroll, but apart from the expected delay in processing intensive tasks, generally I've been pretty amazed at the speed of the thing to be honest. If I was to say the Hero lagged, I'd have to say my PC lagged aswell. Some things do take time. You're not gonna load up a 5Mb pdf instantaneously on the iPhone either.
To completely remove delay or lag from a phone you'd need processing power far beyond that normally required by the software, which isn't practical.
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Did you keep any aspects of Sense UI intact? I don't know what is tied to it as far as the keyboard and music player?
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Only the visible parts have been removed such as HTC widgets and the homescreen itself. The apps still work great (calendar, people, keyboard, etc). The background services are still present.
Just a bit of delay between switching screens and once in a while I do encounter keystroke lag when typing on eBuddy and RoadSync email - rarely any keyboard lag when texting.
I've been trying out some bits and pieces over the past couple of days and have noticed some serious performance differences.
After my factory reset I didn't set an 'unlock code' with the connect the dots dealy, this has made a massive difference to the performance of my phone. Also, as I'm with Vodafone, I didn't bother setting up Peep, I opted for Twidroid instead. Without peep on a home 'scene' I've got a performance boost too. Twidroid is still running in the background, mind and I don't miss a tweet!
Just thought I'd chime in and see if anyone else had noticed the same.
No lag at all here with anything yet, tried a few different configurations. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones, but looks like the new update will sort out any lag in the next few days?
No lag for me, sometimes you have to wait a second but compare to my last phone (HTC Diamond) it's just black and white.
The diamond was buggy and slow. The hero is fast, I never had a freeze and Android is the best OS I never tried!
This is my first touch screen, and first android phone, so of course im constantly impressed with it. Blows my mind in fact.
That said, I do experience lag problems:
- that require me to use Taskiller to kill everything once in a while if ive been using to many difference apps.
- Keyboard lag when typing fast. More noticeable if apps are piled up in the background
- Sliding between home screens straight after unlocking the screen. Seems like once they screens are 'buffered' they slide smoothly and quickly. FYI i only use 3 home screens with only the clock, dialer, Taskiller and WIFI widget. Rest is plain app shortcut icons.
- Dialer widget. Sliding through favourite contacts is sloooow. Take a second or two to start moving, and as aboive, once I've slid all the way up and down and its 'buffered' its smooth as silk...
I voted for Sometimes is unusable.
First week I used TasKiller and Advanced Task Killer (great app btw!) to kill unnecessary apps running, and I was very pleased with the performance. Next week I uninstalled all third party task killer apps because I read here that Android should be very capable of handling these things. Well in my experience, I doesn't handle this all too well, I think now my device is lagging more than with me using task killers.
Lagging here means screen unresponsive when unlocking, not being able to drag notifications bar to properly view what's there, home screen switching is not so smooth etc. I'm only using Wi-Fi & other ON/OFF switches, medium weather app, couple of calendar widgets and bunch of shortcuts on my home screen. Only FB contacts are integrated, I'm not on Twitter or Flickr.
Just today I started using class 6 microSD card, and for now, everything seems pretty smooth. But I did remove the battery before doing this so it might not be so dramatic change compared to previous experience. Waiting eagerly for the new Hero update!
Only Sense is slow sometimes
Sometimes (once or twice a day) it definately lags. But it seems only a "Sense" issue. When it happens, for example the scrolling is not smooth anymore and the "SMS" Widget stops working properly (you can't flip trough the messages anymore).
But if I enter any Application, the App. itself works smooth and without any lags at all.
Strange thing is: after a couple of minutes (and it doesn't matter if the phone is turned on or not) the lag disappears totally. Maybe theres is some sort of "memory-rearrangement" or "Disk defragmentation" going on that slows the phone down while running.
it's worth noting as well that whether or not there are any "issues" it's always possible to make the phone lag - playing high-bit-rate-music while trying to browse a flash website will do it, for example - but that's only because the phone doesn't artificially limit what you can do
I've had my n1 about two weeks and am very close to returning it today. I wanted to ask those who have modded their n1 if it dramatically improves things like pinch and zoom (which is really jumpy on my phone) and the general smoothness of the phone. what about the touchscreen - any better? occasionally mine goes haywire and i have to reset the phone. does this still happen? i like the n1 but in it's current state can't see keeping it because of the cost. what other improvements are noticeable? how about calendar syncing to exchange? can you do this with the mod?
thanks in advance....
eric
That's rich.
Nm.........
Yes to everything you posted, +++++++++. CyanogenMod will not as of yet read forum posts for you, so you may have an issue with that at a later point.
Good Luck.
(edit: except the resetting part...)
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I've had my n1 about two weeks and am very close to returning it today. I wanted to ask those who have modded their n1 if it dramatically improves things like pinch and zoom (which is really jumpy on my phone) and the general smoothness of the phone. what about the touchscreen - any better? occasionally mine goes haywire and i have to reset the phone. does this still happen? i like the n1 but in it's current state can't see keeping it because of the cost. what other improvements are noticeable? how about calendar syncing to exchange? can you do this with the mod?
thanks in advance....
eric
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Try touchdown (market app) for Outlook mail, calendar and task sync. It's a nice application, and the mail part is far better than the stock Android mail.
As far as pinch and zoom go, my N1 is far more responsive than my wife's iphone. I don't know where your bar is, but that's good enough for me on that score. It was that way without going to a custom rom.
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Try touchdown (market app) for Outlook mail, calendar and task sync. It's a nice application, and the mail part is far better than the stock Android mail.
As far as pinch and zoom go, my N1 is far more responsive than my wife's iphone. I don't know where your bar is, but that's good enough for me on that score. It was that way without going to a custom rom.
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what i meant is when i zoom in or out on a web page, the image jumps both bigger and smaller. sometimes it ends on bigger than i intended sometimes smaller. it's just jumpy and not smooth like the iphone.
attn1 said:
Try touchdown (market app) for Outlook mail, calendar and task sync. It's a nice application, and the mail part is far better than the stock Android mail.
As far as pinch and zoom go, my N1 is far more responsive than my wife's iphone. I don't know where your bar is, but that's good enough for me on that score. It was that way without going to a custom rom.
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i've been demoing touchdown and although i like it, i wish its calendar would sync with the core calendar app as well...also, is there a way to change the font sizes in touchdown? its doesnt seem like you can zoom in on emails and the text is very small.
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what i meant is when i zoom in or out on a web page, the image jumps both bigger and smaller. sometimes it ends on bigger than i intended sometimes smaller. it's just jumpy and not smooth like the iphone.
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Well, that's not my experience. Pinch to zoom is smoother than on my wife's iphone.
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i've been demoing touchdown and although i like it, i wish its calendar would sync with the core calendar app as well...also, is there a way to change the font sizes in touchdown? Its doesnt seem like you can zoom in on emails and the text is very small.
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Touchdown has it's own calendar which syncs with and mimics the outlook calendar better than Googles, so it works better. I don't think the calendar IS better, it just works better with Outlook because that's what it was designed to do.
Yes, in touchdown you can adjust mail font sizes. That's why I said it's better than the original email program. When you download it I think it says 5 day free trial, but once it's installed, it gives you 30. It is $20.00 to buy - which is a bargain compared to other Outlook sync solutions for other smartphones. Blackberry services can cost that much every month.
only problem i found was that n1 hangs on shutdown blurry animation
I'm sure most leave all the tabs active as per default configuration, yet I like a slim system where everything is there only because I need it, and everything else is removed to save resources (and I'm sure there's plenty of you who think the same).
Now, in my case, other than the new reader and documents tabs, which are not even in my rom, and sound useless for my kind of use of the device, I have currently disabled (and thus would love to fully delete from internal memory):
- Calendar: eye-catching but useless unless a newer, better version is released, vanilla pocketoutlook calendar may be ugly but has functions I need and are missing from htc's
- Internet: what's the point of having an internet tab when I can just add opera to the visible quicklinks in the home
- Stocks: not a single one from the ETF funds I own can be reachable through yahoo stocks, so the tab has no purpose at all
- Music: as per calendar, eye-catching but useless, mortplayer behaves heaps better
- Footprints: used it just once, wasn't even that efficient
To top it off, I have twitter tab active, but I would gladly remove that as well since there is plenty of valid standalone twitter clients for WM.
Summing it up, I believe deleting all those tabs would save at least 100MB from internal memory.
Any idea how to accomplish this, if not by removing them from an already flashed rom, by "cooking them out"?
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I'm sure most leave all the tabs active as per default configuration, yet I like a slim system where everything is there only because I need it, and everything else is removed to save resources (and I'm sure there's plenty of you who think the same).
Now, in my case, other than the new reader and documents tabs, which are not even in my rom, and sound useless for my kind of use of the device, I have currently disabled (and thus would love to fully delete from internal memory):
- Calendar: eye-catching but useless unless a newer, better version is released, vanilla pocketoutlook calendar may be ugly but has functions I need and are missing from htc's
- Internet: what's the point of having an internet tab when I can just add opera to the visible quicklinks in the home
- Stocks: not a single one from the ETF funds I own can be reachable through yahoo stocks, so the tab has no purpose at all
- Music: as per calendar, eye-catching but useless, mortplayer behaves heaps better
- Footprints: used it just once, wasn't even that efficient
To top it off, I have twitter tab active, but I would gladly remove that as well since there is plenty of valid standalone twitter clients for WM.
Summing it up, I believe deleting all those tabs would save at least 100MB from internal memory.
Any idea how to accomplish this, if not by removing them from an already flashed rom, by "cooking them out"?
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Revert to using Titanium UI and HTC sense is not loaded at all.
Phone is quicker and more responsive.
Sense uses about 30Mb of program memory.
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Revert to using Titanium UI and HTC sense is not loaded at all.
Phone is quicker and more responsive.
Sense uses about 30Mb of program memory.
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I actually plan to continue using sense (at least for the time) my primary concern being the availability of most free space possible in the internal memory, since the speed of my device is ok with me now.
I sincerely believed Sense required way more than just 30MB, since my rom's chef advised he needed to take up to 20 more megabytes to add document and reader tabs into the newer versions of his rom, and I made some easy proportions
I also just disabled the people tab, I replaced it with a quicklink to pocketoutlook contacts in home, and I will probably end up using just the plain WM interface if I find something like cookiemonster home plugin for vanilla WM
Hey everyone. I've got a quick thought I wanted to run by you guys. It has to do with PIM applications and task managment. "wow, that's boring." you say? Well hold on a sec because I have a point here. Ever since I got my first palm back in high school one thing has bothered me. The separation of appointments and tasks! It's always either or, never both. Drives me frickin nuts and I can't understand why palm and microsoft (the two os makers I've always used), and for that matter makers of other PIM apps can't get there heads around this! All I want is a piece of software that will only show me my TASKS for a specific day. I want to be able to set a recurring task as well. Here's an example. I have to take out the trash every friday morning. I want to set the task to friday morning and set a reminder for thursday evening. I put the task down to occur every friday and remind me every thursday night just in case I might be home to do it. (my garbage scheduel logice isn't on trial here so focus) Okay, so I get reminded thurday night but I'm not home, so i set it to re-remind me friday morning. Friday morning comes, it beeps and wakes me up, and i take out the garbage! Then I select that task and hit complete. It disappears and doesn't bother me again for a whole week. I'd like there to be a day view where it just shows me my tasks for one specific day/the week/or the whole month. I tried to set a recurring task in wm task and it just keeps adding a new to my current list every time i hit complete! I don't want the dern thing to show up till the day it's due! Otherwise it gets confusing! Wm doesn't have a day feature either! Pisses me off that a company with so much money and influence can't do this! Oh, and have it show up on the today screen. There are some recurring tasks that I shouldn't have to put as an appointment on my calendar! Maybe I'm being too picky, but I don't really think that's the case. If anyone knows of any apps that can do the above (and also not look like crap, just a request, not a necessity) I'd really appreciate it. Otherwise I'll have to learn how to make my own. Ty guys. End rant.
TodayAgenda
search for TodayAgenda. i use it with 2nd Today and I think it will accomplish an agenda view of your appointments with tasks showing on the day they are due. lots of options for customization.
While we're ranting about PIM, can anyone reccomend a good To Do list program? I want something that is nice to look at and easy to use with my finger.
Try TodayAgenda as a today plug-in. As noted above lots of options, including the ability to combine or separate appts and tasks. But for real PIM management, you want ThumbCal. I am a big Tasks guy and this apps handle them better than any other PIM app I have ever tried. Simple, but effective. Very finger friendly and it looks good too.
I don't know if thats what I'm looking for - I'm mainly just wanting a prettier tasks app, but thanks for the reccomendation
Have u tried Pocket Informant? Not as finger-friendly as Thumbcal, but defintely more powerful. And it has GTD and Franklin Covey task management implementation.
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Have u tried Pocket Informant? Not as finger-friendly as Thumbcal, but defintely more powerful. And it has GTD and Franklin Covey task management implementation.
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that's what i'm trying right now. A little confusing, but pretty amazing.
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Have u tried Pocket Informant? Not as finger-friendly as Thumbcal, but defintely more powerful. And it has GTD and Franklin Covey task management implementation.
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It's thumb terrible.
The New Appt Date / Time picking is embarrassing.
osirisHTC said:
It's thumb terrible.
The New Appt Date / Time picking is embarrassing.
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Have u tried version 9.10? I think it is quite thumb-friendly on my not-so-big thumb
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It's thumb terrible.
The New Appt Date / Time picking is embarrassing.
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Works well with my index finger. I'm not great at thumbing stuff, anyway.
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Have u tried version 9.10? I think it is quite thumb-friendly on my not-so-big thumb
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Yes. It is terrible.
hey i found HTC Sense Tasks on here, its exactly what im looking for
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6850838#post6850838
rant on!
I also am flabbergasted at the neglected, non-existent development of PIM apps! Hardly a week goes by i don't curse Palm for not continuing their Treo. Of all the silly apps created for every useless purpose under the sun, ALL I want is a phone that makes great phone calls, and an excellent contact/calendar/task system that goes everywhere i do.
What I want and can't find anywhere is an EFFICIENT, immediate way to plug info without poking through 10 different screens. All day long i receive phonecalls from clients and need to plug them into a calendar spot.
First off, I want the list of days appts on the front screen, with a few small buttons to scroll a day ahead or behind, or to the week or month view. Then, my ideal would be that while talking with someone I could touch that day, or preferably hour spot and an insert menu would pop up with the name and phone number of the person I'm currently talking to (assuming it's already entered in my contact list [or better, pull it off of detailed caller id]), with a default set to the day and hour I just pressed but which i could directly modify. And then where there can modifyable (with defaults) for category, company, and maybe a handful of user definable fields. Like whether I need to meet with that person at that time, or to call, or something else at that time. Where a swipe or button will bring up all the address/phone fields, and another swipe or button to see past meetings and past phonecalls.
A nice feature on an old Agendus, was the ability to link contacts - so that I could link a father as parent to a child, or husband to someone else, or to a referral source. That would be great.
But also essential is that after a phone call i could press on the number (i think styli are great) and pop it directly into a calendar, rather than just into "new contacts". Or if the name is registered, to pop it directly into the calendar. I'd also like the opposite - to be in the calendar, press and hold for menu then pop a screen for contacts and drop a contact name into the date.
Alot of the features were in Agendus, but they gave up about a year ago, there's been no winmo updates in eons, but they are great with promises of someday and maybe. They used to be excellent, I'm really sorry for what ever happened to them.
I'd buy a phone strictly for an excellent, super-efficient calendar/contact system. Super-efficient (not having to bounce through numerous separate screens) and flexible - user definable. Please, please, is this too much to ask. I love having internet, sms, email, games, but numero uno desire after a clear phone is having the calendar that's ALWAYS visible whenever i pull it out of my pocket. I'm happy to punch buttons for any of the rest, even for phone use, but i want it to be a PDA first! PLEASE!!!!
Cause I'm about to return this thing.
Software/OS wise:
- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole ****load of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.
- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.
- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off
- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.
Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys
- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying
- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem
I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.
Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.
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Cause I'm about to return this thing.
Software/OS wise:
- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole ****load of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background.
- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.
- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off
- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.
Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys
- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying
- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem
I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.
Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.
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Ok - a long list of complaints. I'll try to address a few, but I don't think there are any "fixes" for any of these problems.
1. Have not had this happen on this phone. Not sure what is running....what were you doing at the time? What apps do you have installed?
2. You'd prefer a single message? Not really sure I understand the issue with threaded SMS...
3. If you hate the gray faces, you can customize the picture for each person - if you don't feel like doing that, then stop complaining. To assign a picture for your contacts - Contacts - "Joe Smith" - Edit - then click the Camera to the left of the contacts name. You can assign any picture you want.
4. This is something that can be modified once we have perm. root, I believe. Is customizable if you modify LPP or ADW.
5. I see a lot of people complaining about the terrible placement. I've only hit them once when closing the phone, but they are almost in the same position as my Heroc, so it must be a habit from avoiding that rocker.
6. My slider needs to slide until I see the 2nd row of keys before the screen turns on. Not sure if yours is diff. or not, but that seems acceptable to me. Perhaps you want to put a lock code or pin on, and then it won't open to the homescreen, etc.
7. I have noticed that too, but really almost every phone has this to some effect. And I've only watched the signal strength bars in the notifications bar. We should watch the signal strength (dB) to see if there really is a drastic difference. It hasn't negatively impacted my use of the phone (on a call, or surfing the web) so I don't really see it as an issue, but more of a pet peeve.
Sorry to hear you are so turned off by your experience so far. hope some of what I've written is useful.
There is no need for a task killer. Just because you see those apps in the backround doesnt actually mean they are running. Android works different in the fact that those are stored in ram to actually save battery if you were to open those apps. It doesnt use more battery to have those apps stored in your ram. Since froyo was introduced there is no reason to use ATK unless there is an aftermarket app that you know will cause power drain.
There is an app called Volume Locker. It will keep you from being able to change the volume level.
Also, there are different dialers out there that offer different looks if you dont like the sense dialer.
I dont have any issue with my bars going down when holding my phone. The reason that happens to an Iphone is because they built the antenna around the case of the phone. It's not built like that with the shift.
Is this your 1st android phone?
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Cause I'm about to return this thing.
Software/OS wise:
- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole ****load of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.
- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.
- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off
- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.
Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys
- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying
- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem
I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.
Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.
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1) if your talking about things like FM radio, Sprint navigation, NFL, Sprint TV, etc running in the background. they arent using processor time just small bits of memory they launch in the background after certain triggers like "SMS Recieved" occur and you cant change that without full root, or you can use the temporary root and set it after every boot
2 and 3) i believe you can with handsent or chomp
3) not without full root and nand unlock
as for the rest, havent had any issues with signal either on or off my airave so i cant really replicate your issue, havent had any slowness or slowdowns compared to the painfully buggy and slow mogul for sure.
There is no need for a task killer. Just because you see those apps in the backround doesnt actually mean they are running. Android works different in the fact that those are stored in ram to actually save battery if you were to open those apps. It doesnt use more battery to have those apps stored in your ram. Since froyo was introduced there is no reason to use ATK unless there is an aftermarket app that you know will cause power drain.
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but there is. Performance on the phone is noticably slower, sliuggish screen transitions, today my text messaging was barely working at all the phone was so bogged down. Killing tasks fixes the problem, so obviously those tasks are using some system resources. If they weren't I wouldn't care that they are there, but they are having a absolute impact of the phones performance and responsiveness.
none of the apps running were crazy stuff, there's maybe 2-3 things I installed from the market (Astra and Google Maps being the most frequnt) and the rest is preinstalled stuff, Teleus GPS, Voicemail, Gmail, Amazon MP3, etc. At the low point ATK says I have aorund 30M memory free, clearing the apps out brings it up to 160.
This isn't a "things running in the background bugs me", it's "these things are slowing the phone down.
2. You'd prefer a single message? Not really sure I understand the issue with threaded SMS...
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Yeah, each messgae should be a message. Unto itself. I know some people like threaded, and that's fine, but why is there no option to turn threaded SMS off? I can specify seperate auto completoin settings for the soft keyboard and hardkeyboard for crying out loud, but I can't choose how I want text messages displayed?
3. If you hate the gray faces, you can customize the picture for each person - if you don't feel like doing that, then stop complaining. To assign a picture for your contacts - Contacts - "Joe Smith" - Edit - then click the Camera to the left of the contacts name. You can assign any picture you want.
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Yeah, pardon me while I run off to snap 150 pictures and assign them all. I should be able to customize the view to no show pictures with the contacts, not be forec to have 1 chunk of screen real estate takend up "mystery gray head man"
4. This is something that can be modified once we have perm. root, I believe. Is customizable if you modify LPP or ADW.
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Thats good to know, thanks
Also, there are different dialers out there that offer different looks if you dont like the sense dialer.
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The dialers fine, it's the contact list.
Is this your 1st android phone?
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Yeah, an I knew there' be some getting used to things, but honestly, why am I paying more for a phone I have to get used to (and launches apps to slows down it's performance by itself)? I'l just go back to my Mogul, it works how I want, and is cheaper.
they arent using processor time
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SOMETHING getting auto launched is using processor time, absolutely. When the phone is runing so slow I can;t even type a text message, and killing the running apps fixes the problem, then there's something running in the background slowing the phone down massively.
Might want to try killing apps 1 at a time to find out what the rogue process is... generally task managers do more harm than good.
You can also sync facebook photo's with contacts if any of your contacts are on your fb account... if you use facebook that is You can also assign photo's thru your gmail account on the web, that is an easier interface than on the phone.
There is really no getting around getting used to a new phone.. just takes some time to get comfortable with it. Usually a week or 2.
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but there is. Performance on the phone is noticably slower, sliuggish screen transitions, today my text messaging was barely working at all the phone was so bogged down. Killing tasks fixes the problem, so obviously those tasks are using some system resources. If they weren't I wouldn't care that they are there, but they are having a absolute impact of the phones performance and responsiveness.
none of the apps running were crazy stuff, there's maybe 2-3 things I installed from the market (Astra and Google Maps being the most frequnt) and the rest is preinstalled stuff, Teleus GPS, Voicemail, Gmail, Amazon MP3, etc. At the low point ATK says I have aorund 30M memory free, clearing the apps out brings it up to 160.
This isn't a "things running in the background bugs me", it's "these things are slowing the phone down.
SOMETHING getting auto launched is using processor time, absolutely. When the phone is runing so slow I can;t even type a text message, and killing the running apps fixes the problem, then there's something running in the background slowing the phone down massively.
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You need to read up on this article. like I said before you only need to use it when you have a bad app. Close 1 at a time until you figure out the lag issue as I havnt had a single issue at all with lag. Why you shouldn't use task killers
When you close apps that always run they have to re-open and that uses CPU. All those apps running (except the one giving you issues) arent using any cpu just stored in your memory and if they need to be ran it actually saves CPU. You obvliously have more apps running than you think because I always have at the very least 80mb free. If you decide to root your phone you can always use auto killer memory optimizer and make it so if you hit a certain point it will close the empty apps etc.
Give it some time. Your obviously and amateur Android user (Please dont take offense) and will learn how they work and love it I promise.
I think you're the first person I've heard about who prefers Windows Mobile 6.X to Android. If that's the case, more power to you. Rock that Mogul and cut your monthly bill down and save some bucks. In this economy, nobody's going to argue with you over that.
Sounds like a lot of your gripes are just getting used to the phone. I've never once accidentally hit the volume rocker but I'm coming from a Sprint Hero too, so maybe that's why. If I cup my hand around the bottom of the phone I can get it to drop a bar or two, but I never hold my phone like that under normal use so it doesn't bother me. And my phone doesn't wake up until the keyboard is halfway out (2nd row of keys). If yours wakes from barely moving, maybe something is wrong with it? Take it back for a new one and see if that fixes the problem.
I haven't noticed any slowdown but again, I'm coming from the Hero and that was just a dog trying to run factory Sense. Some people have reported improved performance after performing a factory reset (though that's typically related to data speeds). Might be worth looking into if you're still having problems.
You need to read up on this article. like I said before you only need to use it when you have a bad app. Close 1 at a time until you figure out the lag issue as I havnt had a single issue at all with lag. Why you shouldn't use task killers
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I understand the who idea of android running crap in the background, and if it really worked as advertised and was using no CPU power, I wouldn;t care if there were 100 apps in the background. Whatever is running my my background is causing moderate performance issues most of the time, and occasionally severe performance issues.
Next time it happens I'll try the "kill them 1 at a time" thing and see if I can identify the culprit.
I recognize that most of this is just preference and getting used to the phone, but the performance degradation, the volume rocker, and the signal loss are, to me, enough added up to make the phone just not worth dealing with.
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I understand the who idea of android running crap in the background, and if it really worked as advertised and was using no CPU power, I wouldn;t care if there were 100 apps in the background. Whatever is running my my background is causing moderate performance issues most of the time, and occasionally severe performance issues.
Next time it happens I'll try the "kill them 1 at a time" thing and see if I can identify the culprit.
I recognize that most of this is just preference and getting used to the phone, but the performance degradation, the volume rocker, and the signal loss are, to me, enough added up to make the phone just not worth dealing with.
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Well that sucks you find one of the sickest Android phones not up to par. Maybe you should go back to a Windows phone lol
There's always the Jesus phone.
Also, the battery is doubling as a heater. I played angrybirds for about 20 minutes, my battery is reading 106 degrees F, and my hand is starting to sweat.
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Well that sucks you find one of the sickest Android phones not up to par. Maybe you should go back to a Windows phone lol
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Well, my windows phone doesn't launch mystery apps in the background to kill my performance, doesn't have threaded SMS, doesn't have transparent folders, doesn't put little grey heads next to my contacts, doesn't have any buttons that are easily pushed by mistake, doesn't have an overheating battery, doesn't unlock and wake up when the keyboard is opened, and doesn;t lose signal strength when you pick it up. So yeah, it's kinda dominating android on those points.
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There's always the Jesus phone.
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Herb, I am quickly starting to love your posts!
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Uh, I'd be inclined to think the device is defective or you installed something janky. I have only in a few situations with z4root seen lag on this thing.
I would try a factory reset (hold volume down while powering on the device, choose from menu) and see if that doesn't help. It will wipe the handset so be prepared for that.
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Hard reset fixed most of my issues, but the only big one was the battery life anyways. Try that and hopefully it works for you too.
Life is too short to be miserable over a cell phone. Take it back and go back to the Mogul. You clearly like it better and it's cheaper per month. Win-win.
Peace out! Go rock that bad ass mogul til the wheels fall off.
Scent phrum mie fone!
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Uh, I'd be inclined to think the device is defective or you installed something janky. I have only in a few situations with z4root seen lag on this thing.
I would try a factory reset (hold volume down while powering on the device, choose from menu) and see if that doesn't help. It will wipe the handset so be prepared for that.
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How can you back up your contacts? The Sprint store copied them over from my Mogul for me, so they're all on the phone, no on my gMail account.
I'd like to hold out and see if some of these issues are fixable, because there is a lot I like about the phone too. I love the marketplace, I like the proximity sensor, I like close to 99% of Sense, the screen is gorgeous. Is there hopw that when the phone is rooted I'll be able to fix some of this stuff?
Peace out! Go rock that bad ass mogul til the wheels fall off.
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I also got about a 50/50 split betweenn yes and no on whether or not I can go back to my SERO plan if I want to.
I'll give it a week, hopefully real root will be out by then, see if it helps/give the ability to fix some of this stuff, and if not, back to the Mogul. Much love for the 30 day return window!!
Unfortunately I think to get the contacts copied over to Google you'll need to log into your Google account and manually add them.
The nice thing is though, that once you start flashing ROM's they will automatically sync.
I find it much easier to go in and streamline my contacts on my computer.
Also, if you do not use Facebook or have pics to sync up from FB you can add pictures to your Google contacts and they will sync to the phone.