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MS Voice Command and Jabra BT200 Headset

Are they compatible?
I've changed the registry to use the voicecmd.exe file instead of the inbuilt Voice Dialer (which I must admit, I never tested with the Jabra!)
But when I press the Jabra button, I hear a noise in my ear but it doesn't seem to activate anything on the MDA Pro itself...
What am I doing wrong?

Have you got the lid closed? If the screen is closed it doesn't work.

This is mad.
If I press the button on my Jabra, I now hear that the voice path is activated but saying "help" into the Jabra mike doesn't do anything. No "mike" icon on the device (lid is open) and nothing happens.
However, with this voice path open, if I then press the voice command button on the device, everything works through BT. I hear the woman and can speak to her.
However, pressing buttons on each device seems a very silly way of doing it.
I should be able to press JUST the headset button, right?

I use the same hardware without issue
I find some commands dont work so well over bluetooth - but call seems to work OK!
I find the built-in mike is better to practice with first THEN try with the headset
I use DIAL <name> at HOME or on mobile etc and this seems OK
My only ***** is than on both BT and the device the VC voice is too low!!
While I remember to 200 Headset supports two profiles - I find the basic one works better with VC (that way you dont accidentally redial if you double tap the button!)

Found the problem. I reinstalled the VC software with no joy, so checked the reg entry. I was missing the space between "Voice" and "Command", so no wonder it wasn't working...
I would have expected an error of some kind instead, maybe... but at least it is solved now.

I got VoiceCmd to not Hang after call with some BT Headsets!

Hi,
Was playing around with a way to get my Motorola H700 to not hang after the first use. I don't know how to code (at all) but I wrote a little VB app that Monitored the State and Notification PhoneCallTalking to see when a call was initiated, then monitored to see when the call ended at which point I executed BTAudioOn.Exe from BTUtils causing the channel to open again so I push the button and that's it, I could make call after call just like my old HS850. This will probably work with any headset that hangs after the first call.
Only problem, like I was saying, I can't program, I did all this in Do While Loops so it's pretty unusable since it kills the processor. I don't know how to work with Events or Registering for notifications.
Anyways, if there is anyone who can code and is looking for something to do, maybe you could make something similar (this way or a better way) that can run resident and monitor for the end of a phone conversation and then execute BTAudioON.exe or I guess if you know how to program the MS Bluetooth Stack, open the channel again.
If not, I guess I'll keep learning and try to figure out how to do it properly by handling the notification trigger and wait for it without killing the CPU

I've been looking for something like this! Keep us updated if you find a way to do it without putting too much of a load on the CPU.. I'm getting into WM programming but I have no idea how to capture call/notification states yet.

Re: I got VoiceCmd to not Hang after call with some BT Heads
shoey5 said:
Hi,
Was playing around with a way to get my Motorola H700 to not hang after the first use. I don't know how to code (at all) but I wrote a little VB app that Monitored the State and Notification PhoneCallTalking to see when a call was initiated, then monitored to see when the call ended at which point I executed BTAudioOn.Exe from BTUtils causing the channel to open again so I push the button and that's it, I could make call after call just like my old HS850. This will probably work with any headset that hangs after the first call.
Only problem, like I was saying, I can't program, I did all this in Do While Loops so it's pretty unusable since it kills the processor. I don't know how to work with Events or Registering for notifications.
Anyways, if there is anyone who can code and is looking for something to do, maybe you could make something similar (this way or a better way) that can run resident and monitor for the end of a phone conversation and then execute BTAudioON.exe or I guess if you know how to program the MS Bluetooth Stack, open the channel again.
If not, I guess I'll keep learning and try to figure out how to do it properly by handling the notification trigger and wait for it without killing the CPU
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Good luck and keep us posted. One "use case" to keep in mind is if you initiate VC which doesn't lead to a phone call since VC supports other commands.
I tried something similar to what you are trying to do and it's just too complex because of the different outcomes of initiating VC

I think it'd probably be best to just fix the dialing part - I don't really care about the launching of the apps, etc.
Some of the voice commands, like "What day is it" didn't seem to break the voice channel anyway.
I hate to say it, but it's probably best to just fix the simple stuff and wait for a BT enabled version from Microsoft to fix the rest.

VCBTFixer - My First Attempt
Hey guys here's what I came up with so far. It's not much but it works, been using it all day without ever taking my Wizard out to reset the headset
When running in the background, it will monitor for a hangup (the point where your headset usually crashes after the first call) It will wait a second and then open the BT Audio Gateway, just press the BT headset again to turn it off, and then press it one more time and you'll hear VoiceCommand waiting for you again
Ok remember this is my first attempt at programming so use it at your own risk And remember it's not 100%, I still have to check for a failed call or if you terminate before the call actually starts, check to see if the headset is being used before trying to turn on the audio gateway ect.
I'll probably get rid of the dialog or keep it, I don't know, I was thinking it could be useful to configure a sound that can be played when the audio gateway opens again, this way you get reminded to press the headset button again to turn off the BT Audio Gateway Maybe display and allow you to select which headsets (if you have more than one) this program should work with if some work and some don't, all that kind of crap.
Anyways, let me know if it works.

Im no WM programmer but cant u open the BT channel then close it again pro grammatically, or will that cause the same type of "crash"? I would love to see this work because I WANT my damn H700 back, till then I'm stuck with this hs850.
Thanx; Lew

lewcamino: Tried that but it still hung, only way I could get it to work is to open the chanel and then close it. Anyways I tried this program with my H700 and it worked, give it a try, you have to be logged in to see it.
I'm no programmer either, maybe someone could write a much better version. I think the best way (if it's possible) would be to close the BT Audio Gateway just before VoiceCommand started dialing (the phone should open the Audio Gateway when the call starts and then it should be good (I think) but I don't know if that's even possible to detect.
So for now, until someone figures out a better way or Microsoft releases a new version with BT support, I guess this works. Used it all day with my H700 didn't have to push any buttons on the device between calls which is what I wanted.

Thanks shoey5! Your program works great with my H700.
Do you have any updates? Also, how did you create the .exe? What tools did you use? Are you willing to give up your source code? I would love to dig into it, modify it, upgrade it.
Again, thanks for the great program.

Congrats on getting something to work. What happens if you close the boom of the H700 after a call? What if you use VC to check your battery signal or ask what time it is?
Looking forward to seeing future versions - once it's good and ready I can go back to my H700. Using the HS850 for now.

Ok Second Attempt, if learning VB.Net for the first attempt wasn't bad enough, had to start learning C++ for the second
This one is a lot better though it's late so I haven't been able to test and it needs some error checking but it's much more useable. Ported it to C++ so now only takes 3.90K as apposed to the 200K VB.Net (Sucks) version was taking so it's acceptible to have it running in the background. Also uses a different method of refreshing BTAG after a call though I'd like to find a better way. Also got rid of the UI so you can throw it into \Windows\Startup to have it running when device loads.
Let me know how well or how bad it works.

Cool - thanks a lot! This seems to work!

Doesnt work with german rom... are there any paths hardcoded which may be named different in other languages? (Programs for example)

Hi Shoey5,
Just for your information I have a O2 XDA Mini S WM5 and it does not work as intended, works once after that it needs a soft reset.
I send you a PM with contact details.

Shoey,
your little app works really well! Only occasionaly will there be some kind of hiccup between the MDA and the headset, and I will have to reset the MDA.
It also seems that you have to be alittle patiend between calls to give the headset/MDA time to be ready to respond.
I can make repeated voice commands and even activate redial with a double tap on the headset button.
I would encourage you to keep working on this program so the VCBT functionality can be made even more stable!

Shoey,
your little app works really well! Only occasionaly will there be some kind of hiccup between the MDA and the headset, and I will have to reset the MDA.
It also seems that you have to be alittle patiend between calls to give the headset/MDA time to be ready to respond.
I can make repeated voice commands and even activate redial with a double tap on the headset button.
I would encourage you to keep working on this program so the VCBT functionality can be made even more stable!

Voice Commands - Make It Even More Awesome?

I've recently been having a play with the Voice Tag function on my Wizard. I can call any of my contacts by voice, and I can perform a plethora of functions on my phone by voice (helped by the added hardware button functions that Pocket+ provides). Now i'm wondering if I can do even MORE by voice, i.e. a spoken password, dialing by saying each number, that kind of thing?

Yeah,
Dump the cheezy Cyberon Voice Dial and get Microsoft Voice Command or Cyberon Voice Commander.
Both allow you to access PDA functions such as launch programs, access calander etc.
Additionally they allow "Dial 444 555-1234"
In my opinion MS Voice Command is better.
I've played with Cyberon Voice Commander because it will read e-mail and text messages but I've found it to be useless. Also Cyberon has too much of a delay from activation to ready for voice input for my tastes.
Oh yeah, neither of these requires "Voice Tags", they work by recgonizing your spoken voice!
Cyberon Voice Commander costs about $20,
MS Voice Command is about $40.
Both can be purchased at Handango.com

Now ... call me silly, but wouldnt it be a slight security risk shouting your password at your device to unlock it ?

Danny-B- said:
Now ... call me silly, but wouldnt it be a slight security risk shouting your password at your device to unlock it ?
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Maybe that's why none of these products supports it!!

I have given up on MS Voice Command. It works well, as long as you dont use it with Bluetooth.
It dials once or twice, but then stops responding to the Bluetooth command button. The only way I can get it to work is to press the bluetooth button twice to redial the last call, quickly hit the button again to cancel the call, and then, sometimes, the long press will initiate voice command again.
Jumping through hoops like this make the program pretty worthless to me. To dial numbers in the car is all I need if for, and that is where it doesnt work. I will stick with the voice tags.

jimmyhauser said:
I have given up on MS Voice Command. It works well, as long as you dont use it with Bluetooth.
It dials once or twice, but then stops responding to the Bluetooth command button. The only way I can get it to work is to press the bluetooth button twice to redial the last call, quickly hit the button again to cancel the call, and then, sometimes, the long press will initiate voice command again.
Jumping through hoops like this make the program pretty worthless to me. To dial numbers in the car is all I need if for, and that is where it doesnt work. I will stick with the voice tags.
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That's not VC's issue, it's your BT stack issue. On my K-JAM I press once to activate the BT audiogateway, press again to issue the VC. Works every time.

JNGold said:
That's not VC's issue, it's your BT stack issue. On my K-JAM I press once to activate the BT audiogateway, press again to issue the VC. Works every time.
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Press once activates the phone over bluetooth (sometimes anyway, sometimes nothing happens at all), pressing again does nothing. Believe me, I have tried EVERYTHING. I was messing with it for two hours doing every combination I could think of. The only thing that works is a double press for redial, end the call right away, then I can activate VC again(sometimes). And the cycle repeats.
On the other hand, built-in voicetag dial works everytime, and I dont have to activate the bluetooth first. One long press prompts for voice dial EVERY TIME.
So I beg to differ, it is an issue with voice command.

JNGold said:
That's not VC's issue, it's your BT stack issue. On my K-JAM I press once to activate the BT audiogateway, press again to issue the VC. Works every time.
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Same for me. Sometimes the recgonition isn't the same over bluetooth, but I never have to try more than twice. I use my VC for everything.

jimmyhauser said:
JNGold said:
That's not VC's issue, it's your BT stack issue. On my K-JAM I press once to activate the BT audiogateway, press again to issue the VC. Works every time.
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Press once activates the phone over bluetooth (sometimes anyway, sometimes nothing happens at all), pressing again does nothing. Believe me, I have tried EVERYTHING. I was messing with it for two hours doing every combination I could think of. The only thing that works is a double press for redial, end the call right away, then I can activate VC again(sometimes). And the cycle repeats.
On the other hand, built-in voicetag dial works everytime, and I dont have to activate the bluetooth first. One long press prompts for voice dial EVERY TIME.
So I beg to differ, it is an issue with voice command.
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So how do you account for it working consistantly fine for some, and others not?
BTW, my VC is loaded on the device, not on a storage card.

VC Usage Vs. VS VC Memory Usage
I've had VC on and off of my 8125 since I bought it in April.
The main problem I have with MSVC is whether its use (or lack there of) validates the amount of memory it uses.
For someone that makes calls primarily off of his recent call list, I find that the usability benefit does not outweigh the memory usage.
Wish there was a way to disable / enable the functionality, as to release that memory for other applications.

JNGold said:
So how do you account for it working consistantly fine for some, and others not?
BTW, my VC is loaded on the device, not on a storage card.
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Believe me, I am not an expert on this, I am just trying to figure things logically. But I would bet it has to do with the fact that you are probably using a different bluetooth handsfree device than I am. Maybe that was what you were referring to when you said it was a bluetooth issue. Or maybe it is the fact that you have a different model of phone.
What I am saying is that it cant be the bluetooth software on my phone, because the cyberon voice dial works fine over bluetooth, where the MS voice command does not.
And I have voice command on the phone also. All my programs are. I only keep music and videos on the storage card.
And voice command works great when using on the phone itself. I am amazed at how well and how quickly the recognition works. It just doesnt respond well to my Nokia car kit. And maybe that is the problem.
My wife's car has the same bluetooth kit as my car, I am going to try it in her car one of these days to see if I have the same problems there. She has a Nokia 6682, and her bluetooth voice dialling works great.
And also, does VC really use that much memory? If so, I think may take it off the phone. (I use it a little when not in the car) But if it is considerable, then I agree that it is not worth it.

the problem is that without any BT headset i can't get the microsoft voice command to work.
i installed it, dedicate the button. the problem is that when i press it the mic sign appers, i hear the bip and if i say "HELP " it does absolutly nothing.
NOTHING
it just stands there, then another bip comes and the mic sign disappears .
what should i do?

did you turn your mic auto-gain off like the instructions said?

problem solved.
don't know how ...soft reset and bam ! it worked.
the problem is that it hardly recognizes 0 ( zero )
well...i think the old voice dial would do the trick for me...

Keys to success:
1. Load in main memory. (Yes, it's a hog, but to me it's worth it.)
2. Be patient. Sometimes it takes a moment or two to activate.
3. Make sure your volume is not muted. (I admit it, I often walk out of a meeting and get frustrated with why it isn't working... oh, volume is off.)
4. Experiment. Watch the phone while you are playing.
Here are my results with Motorla hs850 .
1. Usually I push once to open the gateway and a second time to activate VC. (Note, I only wear my headset when I need it.)
2. Sometimes the gateway is open for whatever reason and I'll get an immediate bong. So after the first press, I give it a second to see if it will come up.
3. Otherwise, I may get into three presses. One which I think is opening the gateway but is actually opening VC before the bong sounds. A second which I think is activating VC but apparently is closing it. The third press usually then does the trick, but sometimes I'll even have to go to number 4.
So my strategy is:
1. Push button.
2. Wait a slow count for response.
3. Go back to #1 until success is achieved.

Voice Command

Anyone here use VC1.6 with Bluetooth?
Has anyone else noticed that the confirmations don't work?
I've seen threads on other forums about this, but no solution yet over there.
Figured I'd bring it up in case folks here have the answers.
Basically, here's my conversation:
Press BT button
Device: *Beep*
Me: "Call John"
Device: "Call John?"
Me: "Yes"
Device: *Timemout Beep*
Now, the confirmation works when used on the device just fine.
When on the headset, its like it gives up without trying to hear me.

MS Voice Command v 1.6 works almost perfectly on my Sprint Mogul. It has one flaw - when the button you map is first pushed it does not give off the beep, but the small microphone on the top bar shows up. When the little mike shows up, you can say your commands and it works perfectly.
The next time the button is pushed, the beep is heard and the mike shows up.
Also, VC is activated by my Motorola S9 stereo BT headset. If I push the right button on the headset, I hear the beep and can give the command into my headset even if the headset is in my backpack.
The failure to beep on the first button push is a small problem I'm sure can be worked out. For me it is no problem at all. I just push the button and begin speaking.
I own many other HTC products and VC works as well on the Mogul if not better than any of them and I haven't even hacked it yet.

The problem only shows up when dialing a number from the BT headset and the confirmation is played back. It seems there is a problem with the mic after the confirmation is played so you can't reply "yes" or clarify. It works fine for opening programs or if the confirmation is turned off and you are lucky enough for it to hear you correctly

ImCoKeMaN said:
The problem only shows up when dialing a number from the BT headset and the confirmation is played back. It seems there is a problem with the mic after the confirmation is played so you can't reply "yes" or clarify. It works fine for opening programs or if the confirmation is turned off and you are lucky enough for it to hear you correctly
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Yeah, this makes browsing media impossible!
I used to say "Play music" wait until it asks me what type to sort by "Artist"... wait again "Dream Theater"... and then the music would start.
Now, I can't get past the first prompt because the mic is shut off. Very weird indeed...

Voice Command 1.6
One thing that I've noticed with my S9 and 1.6 (wm6 but had similar issues in wm5) is that VC gets confused by the stereo headset, announcements will generally shut off the headset for a moment and come out of the phone speaker, if I hit the button on the headset, I will get the VC beep in the headset, but it seems to be listening to the mic on the phone, and if I hit the phone's activation button, the beep comes through the phone, but it then seems to be listening to the headset for commands. I've found no reliable way to 'straighten' this out, however, I did notice the other day when I reset my phone and used the 'play' button on the headset to reinitiate the phone/headset connection rather than initiating it automatically when I turned on the headset that it seemed to be functioning normally for the first time in a long time. I've not tried to reproduce that yet, but will try it tonight.

Traumtanzer said:
One thing that I've noticed with my S9 and 1.6 (wm6 but had similar issues in wm5) is that VC gets confused by the stereo headset, announcements will generally shut off the headset for a moment and come out of the phone speaker, if I hit the button on the headset, I will get the VC beep in the headset, but it seems to be listening to the mic on the phone, and if I hit the phone's activation button, the beep comes through the phone, but it then seems to be listening to the headset for commands. I've found no reliable way to 'straighten' this out, however, I did notice the other day when I reset my phone and used the 'play' button on the headset to reinitiate the phone/headset connection rather than initiating it automatically when I turned on the headset that it seemed to be functioning normally for the first time in a long time. I've not tried to reproduce that yet, but will try it tonight.
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Scratch that, I wasn't able to duplicate this, so seems to be a random occurrence, I know that every once in a while it does seem to work correctly, but that's very rarely.

List of Voice Commands
Has anyone got a list of voice commands, and is there any way to add new commands?

My VC 1.6 bluetooth problem is even more frustrating. It always recognizes my contacts, but the confirmation doesn't work AND I CAN'T DISABLE IT!
I uncheck the confirm box on the VC settings, but it still tries to confirm.
Is there something I'm missing?

Sprint does it again
WM6 has voice command built-in, but Sprint decided to disable it and not make it part of the ROM, so when you install 1.6 over the already there application, is when you lose part of the functionality.

Ha! I found my voice command problem -- I had a duplicate contact.
What voice command said (even after I turned off confirmation) was "Joe Blough at Home 3 found" and then it displayed one of them. When I removed the duplicate and turned off confirmation -- IT WORKED!
Now, if they would just fix the confirmation to work properly...

Ok.....my problem is it will not announce incoming calls, no matter what i do...everything else seems to work fine, but it will not announce incoming calls threw the bluetooth nor speaker, am i missing something???

Bottom line: Voice Command 1.6 is buggy, and needs to be updated to work 100% with WM6. Start complaining to Micro$oft.

TC1 said:
Bottom line: Voice Command 1.6 is buggy, and needs to be updated to work 100% with WM6. Start complaining to Micro$oft.
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It's not buggy at all, it wasn't made for use on WM6, it's for WM5, we're lucky it works as well as it does.
You can bet MS is already working on a new version, question is when will it be released.

Is there an echo in here? What part of "needs to be updated to work 100% with WM6" didn't you understand?

I was saying it isn't buggy as you said, it works great for the OS it is intended to be used on.

Funny enough, VC works great for me... The only issue I have is sometimes it does not play the first tone when I press the VC button...

Shaska said:
Funny enough, VC works great for me... The only issue I have is sometimes it does not play the first tone when I press the VC button...
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It works fine if not using bluetooth. (aside from the missing first tone sometimes)

Dishe said:
It works fine if not using bluetooth. (aside from the missing first tone sometimes)
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And also doesn't always confirm commands. At least from my experience.

primenall said:
It's not buggy at all, it wasn't made for use on WM6, it's for WM5, we're lucky it works as well as it does.
You can bet MS is already working on a new version, question is when will it be released.
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I have the Alltel 6800 with WM5 and am experiencing the same problems as you WM6 folks.

It seems to be an issue with the Mogul/MSVC combo like you said, also a friend of mine put the WM6 Rom on his 6700 and he says MSVC confirmation works fine.
Maybe a Radio incompatability, I'm just a novice though?

Touch(Vogue)+MS VoiceCommand+Jawbone BT doesnt work

Hi,
I had MS voicecommand and my Jawbone working fine on my old tytn after some registry tricks.
However, now I cannot seem to get VC to start when I press my button on my Jawbone.
I can get it to start with a hardware button on my touch(Vogue) but I cant get the BT headset to start it.
Its really frustrating as I really need this when Im on the road driving all day long for work.
Thanks and help!!!!
Regards,
LIP

lip said:
Hi,
I had MS voicecommand and my Jawbone working fine on my old tytn after some registry tricks.
However, now I cannot seem to get VC to start when I press my button on my Jawbone.
I can get it to start with a hardware button on my touch(Vogue) but I cant get the BT headset to start it.
Its really frustrating as I really need this when Im on the road driving all day long for work.
Thanks and help!!!!
Regards,
LIP
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This is going to sound crazy, but check to see if you have the Cyberon Voice Dial active. If it is NOT, then activate it and try to activate Voice Command with the headset. I could not get my handsfree to activate until I turned the Cyberon back on, which doesn't make sense but it worked and works every time, and I never get that stupid Cyberon thing popping up or doing anything. Also, do you just press the button on your Jawbone, or hold it in for a bit. I know on my one handsfree I could just press it, but on my new one I have to hold it down until I hear a beep (like 3 seconds). Hope this helps.....

Thanks for the reply!
Unfortunately I deleted all the registry keys and files relating to that software due to me thinking it was the culprit...
I'll do a hard reset and try that tonight and report back.
Thanks!
LIP

Actually the culprit of this problem is Windows Mobile 6. This problem has been discussed on past occasions and as of yet there is no solution that I am aware of.

Hi,
I don't understand why others can get it working but I can't.
I have done all the work arounds with the registry files, etc...but I cant even get it to activate through the BT headset.
I have went back to the default software as that works fine although I had to manually do the voice names.
Regards,
LIP