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Need advice - Wizard or Ipaq 6515?

I want to buy new PPC, what would you choose, Wizard or Ipaq 6515?
Also, I have an offer to change my 2-years old Qtek 2020 for Ipaq 6515 and to add 300EUR. Is that good offer?

Well I'd say your going to get some biased opinions because you posted in the Wizard forum, but heres my opinion.
I was considering the 6515 before the K-JAM came out, but decided against it (also before the release of the K-JAM) because of two things:
* No WiFi
* Square 240x240 screen
One of the benefits of the thumboard (apart from being faster and easier to type on) is that there is no input panel taking up a 1/3 of the screen.
I am very happy with my K-JAM, and have no doubt that I made the right decision.

Well, I like the size of the K-jam and also bigger screen.

Yep, the K-JAM is a good size, particularly considering it combines the keyboard, wifi, phone and full size screen into it.

I had a 6515, and liked it well enough. I now have a K-JAM. No comparison. I like the K-JAM much better. Small form factor, better keyboard (IMHO), "full" screen, more memory, WM5.
Unless you have a burning need for built-in GPS, go with the K-JAM.
Steve

Well, I have ordered 9100 afterall Coming on friday. Costs me a lot more than I expected but what a hell

Confused - Imate JAMin

Was reading through another forum today and someone was asking about the O2 Atom and I-Mate JAMin. I knew about the atom but hadn't heard anything about the JAMin :shock:
Thought I'd do a search on the trusty xda-developers forum and found it actually comes under the Prophet group :? why??? isn't it just the replacement of the Jam as the Atom is to the mini??
Anyway looks like some research ahead me!
marto

No....the Atom is not even made by HTC.
Strictly speaking, the Charmer replaces the Magician, the Prophet is something else. Various providers seem to have done different things though. T-Mobile brought out the Comact-II which is a Charmer. O2 brough out the Atom, I-Mate brought out the Jamin (Prophet) Orange have brought out the M600 (also a Prophet) etc etc etc.
Each has replaced their variations on the Magician in thier own way.

WOW thats certainly a handfull, thanks TheBrit
Explains why I haven't seen any comparisions as there in two different threads areas. :?
Although I haven't had a chance to fully read up on both it appears the Atom has major phone issues like echo, etc. and the JAMin has had multi ROM updates suggesting there are ongoing issues they are concerned about.... :shock:
Anyone got any -/+ feedback on these puppies?
marto

marto_martin said:
WOW thats certainly a handfull, thanks TheBrit
Explains why I haven't seen any comparisions as there in two different threads areas. :?
Although I haven't had a chance to fully read up on both it appears the Atom has major phone issues like echo, etc. and the JAMin has had multi ROM updates suggesting there are ongoing issues they are concerned about.... :shock:
Anyone got any -/+ feedback on these puppies?
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I checked out the Atom in a store recently and did not like it. The very shiny case was literally covered in fingerprints, and the screen image seemed washed out (contrast too high) and the image did not use up all of the space. In short, I was disappointed.
I'm hoping to check out the JAMin tomorrow (in a store in Sydney), and have heard that the latest ROM really brings the device up to speed at last. Note that the Atom has an Intel processor and the JAMin a TI OMAP processor, so they really are different gadgets.

Hi Peter,
Thanks for that The info I'm finding on the 2 units certainly supports your comments.
I look forward to hearing how your adventures go with the JAMin, I haven't found any stockests in Perth yet (like there's a surprise ).
marto

JAMin the Atom
In short, bought an Atom, great speakers, A2DP, and that is about it. Bluetooth weak, no voice dial through headset, no external aerial (the latter killed it for me as I am often in weak radio areas). Shiny case looks good, but don't pick it up without gloves. Now on third ROM. It is stable however, but camera is crap!
Bought JAMin. Even though JAMin is 195Mhz and Atom is 416MHz, hardly any difference. JAMin has great Bluetooth (no A2DP though Grrr), Voice dials, and soft keys make 1 handed operation possible. Screens about the same, Camera slightly better.
If you can live without FM radio and dual speakers, go JAMin and pocket $200.
Cheers.

is it still worth to buy Win2003 Magician ?

hello guyz,
This is my first post here. I have a couple of questions from experienced PPC users . Please respond as early as possible. Thanks in Advance.
1) I am getting a very good deal for Magician(i-mate JAM). But i am confused wether to buy it or not. Is it still a good idea to buy a WM2003 PPC device OR should i wait for WM5 PPC devices to become cheaper. ( i might have to wait around1 year which is a loooong time... )
2) Are people still writing softwares for PPC WM2003 devices? or the majority has moved to writing softwares for WM5 ?
3) Right now which windows have more softwares available. WM2003 or WM5?
4) If i purchase softwares written for WM2003, will these softwares run on PPC WM5 device?
5) Finally i need some nice websites for free or paid softwares for PPC. ( you can PM me if you are not allowed to post websites links here)

The magician is a great device and, if you don't need integrated Wifi, still the best compact PPC you can get.
WM2003 in general has some advantages over WM5: It is usually faster and has less bugs. WM5 only offers better one hand use and no data loss when battery is down. The latter can be compensated for WM2003 with using good backup software (sprite backup) and the internal backup battery of the magician. I never had data loss because of this.
Get the magician for a good price. You won't regret. Really advanced devices are still to come. Maybe the Hermes will beat the Magician but it will definitely be more expensive at that time.
Regarding the software question: I haven't seen any software which only works on WM5 and not WM2003 but I have seen many softwares not supporting WM5 yet but WM2003. Most softwares are even still backwards compatible to WM2002. You can compare this to the desktop world. Most programs can still be run under Windows 98.

I recommend to get the imate Jam with 128Mb RAM if possible
Get the imate JAM if you do not have a wi-fi network at home

I fully agree Dandie's comment. I tried my friend's O2 Atom for a week (he need me to install softwares for him) and I still prefer my Magician as my working/entertaining machine.
Pro: Cheaper, more responsive and faster (media will have jitter sometime on the Atom if running GPS together), more softwares are available to 2003SE than WM5
Con: No wifi (not a problem to me since I can BT over Activesyn at home), Bad Camera.
Unless there is a very good deal. I never see the need to upgrade to 128mb if U know how to manage the RAM use. (I always run TomTom 5/IGuidance 2/TCPMP together without any problem.)

Unfortunately WM5 is the way of the future, but it's unlikely you'll encounter software that won't work on WM5 and WM2003 (since both can use .net, the "new" developers environment).
I still use my Magician as my main phone, although I'm upgrading in a few weeks and it'll have to be a WM5 phone, probably a Mio 702. WM5 adds some usability features, but not enough to turn my head IMHO.
If you're getting a good deal on a Magician, I'd certainly consider it. I'll be holding on to mine for a good while yet.
Oh, and I recommend using VJLumos II. It really brightens up the Magician screen, gives it a new lease of life.
V

I agree with V the magician still is a wonderful device & when you don't want to wait for the devices that sports hsdpa you can have loads of fun with it.
Like stated earlier TCPMP for video, Mortplayer for audio. Lots of games & other goodies. AEButton Plus for one-handed in combi wit ... VJKeyPress.
Make sure you got a good deal & enjoy it.
M

WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
Personally, I'd go for a Wizard (or even a Hermes <3 ). It's only a bit bigger, but has WM5, WiFi /and/ a keyboard. Now, if only Orange carried it in the UK... >.<

I've got a Wizard. It's the 3rd one in 5 months and it locks up nearly every day but a soft reset sorts it out and it fails to recognise the memory card 2-4 times a day (a known wizard issue) If you dont need the wi-fi stick with the Jam NEVER had a problem with mine. As for the wizards keyboard..I use the on screen one it's quicker.
For stereo headphones with mic try the SE P900/910 headphones they work brilliantly!

bobgorila said:
WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
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Maybe just the O2 Atom and my stereo headset, the quality of BT A2DP is just a joke for me.
bobgorila said:
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
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It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

Mine can be bought here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9725172095
I upgraded to the Prophet. 8)
This is the second listing on eBay. The first one got hit by a nigerian scammer. :roll: Now I've had to specify UK only and PayPal only.

thank you for your comments guyz
i have bought the magician device. So far i am pretty happy with it.

Join the club, did you got a nice offer?
M

i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )

Seems like a fair price to me. Did you search the other threads for goodies & tips?
M

Both magician and mini are great device.
Wifi? sandick sdio wifi card with 256m storage is available in a reasonable price now. BT & MINI CABLE could bring with most functions you need.
In my point of view, never try detailed camera in PDA.
So, congradulation you with a desirable product.

navid_ahmed said:
i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )
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where did u get it so cheap......i bought it for 24000rs with no accessory

jackleung said:
It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
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Mine arrived this morning, it works, it works!!!
Thankyou.

Atom or HP rw6828

Thinking of getting one of them, which one is a better device? Since both of there are basically the same device with different housing, is it possible for me to flash atom's ROM to rw6828 and vice versa just like those prophet like dopod 818pro, imate jamin and qdek s200?
One more question, do I really need 192mb ROM in atom exec or 128mb in atom is sufficient enough?

Get the HP my friend, the Atom and Atom Exec have faulty LCD screens. I know because I have had 3 Atoms and 2 Exec's replaced and the devices still squeal like a mosquito. O2 is horrible to deal with each time the device needs to be sent away you can expect it to be gone for at the very least a month and they do not give extended warranty for the time spent at the service centre.

Hi homer285, thanks for your reply, just curious, if there is LCD problem in atom/exec then HP should suffer the same since they are sharing the same device except for the housing and design. Anyway, I am testing the HP now, so far so good except for the wifi range and battery life...

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Hi homer285, thanks for your reply, just curious, if there is LCD problem in atom/exec then HP should suffer the same since they are sharing the same device except for the housing and design. Anyway, I am testing the HP now, so far so good except for the wifi range and battery life...
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Not necassarily true, I am yet to hear the HP has this problem and I think you'll find there's more than just housing and design difference.

Borrow one unit rw6828 back for testing, the wifi reception not very good, I have Apple Airport Express in my study room next to my bedroom, the signal only one bar where my 4 yrs old Toshiba notebook has 4 bars. Battery life also not very good, having the phone in standby mode for about 6 hours (played 2 songs, make and received 3-4 short phone calls), the battery drain from 100% to 49%. Does Atom did the same?

O2 Atom or HP 6828 (I've found something better!)
Hi All,
After having the O2 Atom for 3 weeks, I've decided to sell it off. I hate to say this, I have been a firm supporter of O2 from the days of XDAII to the days of O2 Mini, but I am sad to say O2 Atom is the worst of the lot I have ever used. I don't think it can get any worse (hmm maybe I am wrong and it can get worse?!). Maybe all the good phones are by HTC and this real bad one is by Quatar (or is it spelt that way? Who cares, I'm never gonna buy any phone from that manufacturer again).
This is what I have found bad about the Atom:
1) Bad design of hardware buttons (both O2 & HP)
- Why would any manufacturer design a hardware that doesn't take advantage of the new OS?? WM5 was design with ease of use in mind with the introduction of the left/right hardware keys (much like the nokia h/keys).
- Imagine you get the latest OS but you still have to touch the screen to access those quick menus, is this dumb or what?!
2) FM Radio is almost useless (reception & design)
- Poor reception (my pocket radio gets better reception, but then again this is a PDA phone so what the heck ..)
- Poor design because you need to have the wired headset attached to it when you want to hear the radio!
3) Cheap Plastic Cover
- Reminds me of the USD2 cheap nokia cover made in china (both the HP & Atom) squeaks, both the top and bottom does not allign properly
- I personally feel that both the XDAII & Mini built is much better (feels more solid)
- For the price you are paying for the Atom Exec, we should be getting the state of the art carbon fibers casing.
After I have sold it off, I have moved on to the Dopod 838pro. Any regrets? Other than the steep price (hey it's only USD100 more that then Atom Exec..) & microSD, it's a dream phone!!
Specs:
- GSM 850/900/1800/1900, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS(3G), HSDPA(3.5G)
- 13 hardware keys (1 dedicated video call key)
- a side slide out keyboard (w smart backlight) & Real Wheel (not jog dail)
- 2M pixel camera
- 802.11g Wi-Fi (802.11b compatible)
- 128mb flash 64mb RAM
... I can't ask for more. So .. for those planning to get an Atom Exec ... I would strongly recommend you check out the 838 Pro or in some place it's called the TyTN, HTC hermes, O2 Trion, Qtek 9600, iMate JasJam etc ..

HP 6828 Battery issue can be solved
Well you can certainly address the battery issue on the 6828 with success. Find help thru the link here

ATTN: Ex-Blue Angel and current Universal owners

Are you happy with the switch?
Is it really too large to place by the ear?
I was thinking of getting a Universal early next year.
How is the speed of the unit, e.g. reading large PDFs, or opening big DOC files in Word?
How is quality of the LCD screen, speakers, keyboard vs Blueangel?

BA v Uni
Definitely a better system than the Blue Angel. The OS is much better, the screen larger, the processor better, a thumb keyboard you can actually use. My old Blue Angel is now my TomTom GPS.

The Universal's replacement will be out early (Possibly Q1) next year. Might be better to wait for that.
Back on topic. I sometimes get a little peed at having to flip the screen to see who's calling, but on the whole I'm glad I upgraded.

dont bother mate,just look on the baord at the amount of issues

overall, universal is more than ok!

i still have my BA and use it as a backup, i use my o2 xda exec for everything else like my gps and etc.

have you tried wm5 on BA ?
try the Helmi aku3.2 wm5 Rom with (i think it was) 16mb page file
BA then really flies (20x faster than universal)
I was really amazed !!
currently I now have jasjar with IvanRom 1.14 and BA with "helmi aku3.2 wm5 rom
but BA is still a lot faster
(for me the keyboard is the only reason why I use universal daily)
greetz,