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WA3 beta New & Improved?....Ohh Yes indeed!!

http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11258

I'm going to hold of on this until it comes out of beta.. I've spent far too long getting the U1000 tweaked and working perfectly with the right combination of settings and software.
That thread has already achieved 12 pages of replies to the launch, so I figure its going through some teething issues already.
Cheers for the update though - a lot of those new features look extremely tempting!

WA3 beta kicks ass..
I am pleased to say, so far, WA3 beta is a vast leap forward from WA2 in terms of features and functionality. I'm loving it, but there seems to be no option for using anything but the default theme at this moment (correct me if I'm wrong peeps).
I'm loving the option to have shortcuts in the TrayApps.

WA3 is brill even in beta...
I'm very pleased to report that despite the many problems reported on the Lakeridge forums about this beta on various devices, it works perfectly on my Ameo.
I love the feature set on this new version and will definately be investing in this once the official release has made it out the door.
I forgot to take a screen shot of it without soft keys enabled (giving one even more screen real estate - if that's what you like).
But here are a few pics that I did take...and Yes you can use your old favourite WA2 Themes or WA3 Themes if you have any.
Final Word: No problems encountered as yet. Brill. I highly recommend checking this out, as it is way better than WA2.
Note: Be sure to completely uninstall WA2 first and save your Themes folder to somewhere else first (you will be able to install these from wherever you drop them later through WA3 i.e. Start/Settings/Personal/Theme Manager).
Drop us a line if you get stuck.

whats the memory utilization like???

ade0282 said:
whats the memory utilization like???
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Haven't noticed a drop in memory usage. It seems snappier than before. Reports from the Lakeridge website are that the memory usage is considerably lower than WA2.
I've also got this up and running with no probs at all on my wife's Universal (T-Mobile MDA Pro) with no ill effects to speak of.
I did delve a bit deeper into memory usage over here: http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=62542#62542

Wow, that's impressive news. I might totally back up my U1000 tonight and take a leap of faith. But I'm still skeptical. Really looking forward to official release though!
Now that I think about it, I guess I should anyway - as to provide feedback on any bugs!

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Haven't noticed a drop in memory usage. It seems snappier than before. Reports from the Lakeridge website are that the memory usage is considerably lower than WA2.
I've also got this up and running with no probs at all on my wife's Universal (T-Mobile MDA Pro) with no ill effects to speak of.
I did delve a bit deeper into memory usage over here: http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=62542#62542
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Hi Mackaby007,
Beautiful pictures you have there. I have been trying this out for a while, but wonder where does your skin come from? It's FANTASTIC looking.
Also, when you press the PROCESS button in the battry pop up, do you get to see the running processes? Mine has nothing there.
Have you tried adding in more applications than one could be accomodated in just one line in the system tray? What happens if you try to have ALL launcheable applications there and run out of space? With applications like SPB pocket plus, you siimply add more tabs. But how about this one? You know what I'm thinking? If it allows all to be launched there, I might just dump my SPB pocket plus and use this to replace it as well as Magic Button.
I much prefer to keep all my applications alive when I press close button. There is really no reason to shut them down, because so doing means than when you need it again, you got to reload from scratch. Imaging reloading Opera Mobile..... It takes forever. So, the way I use me device to to keep ALL frequently used applications alive regardless of whether I press the close button with or without holding it down (I do not want to accidentially close it by holding down too long). If I really want to close it down, currently magic button let me do it be pressing and holding down on the running icon on task bar. I find that with WA3, the process of making an application stay alive when close button is pressed is far too tedious. You need to go to setting>Task>executable, and select the excecutable individually (WA3 works very slowly here unfortunately). Also, choosing to keep it alive still does not prevent me from accidentally closing it when close button is pressed too long. In this regards, I feel that Magic Button's design is far better.
Do you know of a way to suppress the task title all together? My view is that the icon of running task should just be "lighted up" to show it is the current application. Also, we know what application it is anyway by looking at what is staring at you. Why waste the precious real estate on task title?
I like the new ROTATE screen icon, and the ability to show date and time occupyping only one icon space. This is something where magic button should incorporate.
Oh, initially I though that the phone icon will let you click and directly let you use the phone but this is not so. Do yo know of a way to put a real phone task icon on the task bar, so that clicking that icon on the TB will give you access to phone application immediately? The trouble i have is that when phone application is launched, WA5 does not seem to show it on the TB (unlike magic button). I like magic button more in this regard.
Are you using QVGA when you took those screen shots? How does it look in VGA? Would the system tray buttons are far too small? Do you think that if we use VGA and WA3 we could get away from having to use another application such as SPB pocket plus?
One last thing, I could be wrong about this. But I got a distinct feeling that my response time is slower using this rather than Magic Button.
That's a long post, but I'm very interested in your view in the above.

I still cant figure out how to use WAD .. lol... argh! Im st0opit.
Anyone wanna help me out with it? lol.

EagleSteve Q&A....
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That's a long post, but I'm very interested in your view in the above.
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Hi eaglesteve.
Thanks for the compliment. I do like nice screens and preferably unclutterred. Anyway....the WA2 skin can be purchased through Nacashco Designs here: http://www.nascasho.com/Skins-Sub-InD_05.html
and the background image I found trolling around on the deviant art website under; 3 Dimensional. (see attachment)
Q & A (I'll do my best)
Q1. Also, when you press the PROCESS button in the battry pop up, do you get to see the running processes? Mine has nothing there.
A.1 Yes I see all the running processes and am able to stop any one of them.
Q2. Have you tried adding in more applications than one could be accomodated in just one line in the system tray?
A2. Yes, but it won't display any more than 15 icons from my experience. No point in addind any more as you cannot scroll through them (in the hope that you will see the other shortcuts you added previously). That's a good point to take up with Chris at Lakeridge, as he mat be willing to incorporate this into WA3 as it's still in beta.
Q3. Do you know of a way to suppress the task title all together? My view is that the icon of running task should just be "lighted up" to show it is the current application.
A3. Yes mine is currently set up this way too. I only want to see an icon of running apps.** I think under the 'Buttons' menu you have to go to 'Assignments' and ensure that 'Title' is NOT checked.
Q4. Do yo know of a way to put a real phone task icon on the task bar?
A4. I've added the phone app to the System tray (no need for keyboard anymore ). It's called 'Phone.lnk', but should be a visible icon when you go to choose it.
Q5. Are you using QVGA when you took those screen shots? How does it look in VGA? Would the system tray buttons are far too small? Do you think that if we use VGA and WA3 we could get away from having to use another application such as SPB pocket plus?
A5. I suppose you would call it QVGA (default mode). I tried TrueVGA and whilst it looks great, I don't like that I can hardly see anything. Got good eyesight at the mo and don't want to start straining. 2nd half of your question...Yes I think it's definitely possible, as you'd theoretically fit many more icons in the Tray applet/System Tray. Good thinking Batman! I might have to reconsider TrueVGA just for that!
Q6. But I got a distinct feeling that my response time is slower using this rather than Magic Button.
A6. I've used Magic button in the past and was very pleased with it, but stopped using it once I found that you can close apps properly through WA2. Unlike yourself, I like things properly shut down unless I'm going back to it soon, hence the nice running tasks icons.
Ok that should be about it. I hope I answered most if not all of your questions.

mackaby007 that's a great scren. So let me get this right , i buy the theme and get the backround and then i import it to wa3?
Also how do you replace / remove the default tray icons that come with t-mobile, i used the tray display program but that just removes all tray items. I just want to add the programs that i use
Would SPB diary work with this theme? as i have mine on today screen.
thanks

bashi007 said:
mackaby007 that's a great scren. So let me get this right , i buy the theme and get the backround and then i import it to wa3?
Also how do you replace / remove the default tray icons that come with t-mobile, i used the tray display program but that just removes all tray items. I just want to add the programs that i use
Would SPB diary work with this theme? as i have mine on today screen.
thanks
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Hi bashi007. Yes to the first 3 questions. I can't comment on Spb Diary as I've never used it, but I can't see why it should pose a problem.
If you have an Ameo from T-Mobile;
........regarding the system tray...there is a thread already on it...let me go see................
.....aha here it is:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307086
Go to.....Hkey_Local_Machine\SOFTWARE\HTC\TrayApplet with a reg editor and delete all the little folders that contain the links for the existing shortcuts (free up some space). Be sure to have the system tray visible again first though, so you can see the changes you have made. If you don't see it, uninstall the Tray applet switching application and reboot.
If you own an X7500/Advantage read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308250 Once you've gotten rid of all your system appointed icons, follow on to the skinning app.
Now try WA3 system tray.
Let us know if you run into probs.

Thanks mackaby007 for your reply, i have a slight problem in that i delete the folders in the tray applet, but it still leaves the icon in the tray.

bashi007 said:
Thanks mackaby007 for your reply, i have a slight problem in that i delete the folders in the tray applet, but it still leaves the icon in the tray.
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hi bashi007 what variant of the AThena do you have? If you have the Advantage, you'll have to delete the folders in the HTC Homeplug folder instead or aswell. Then soft reset your device and they should no longer be visible in the system tray.

Thanks for the help, i have Ameo, after soft resetting all seems to work. Great!
i presume i buy the VGA theme from Nacashco Designs.

bashi007 said:
Thanks for the help, i have Ameo, after soft resetting all seems to work. Great!
i presume i buy the VGA theme from Nacashco Designs.
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Yes. Check your PM added more info for you.

WA3 Public Beta 2 is out...
Hot off the press..go get it people. Apparently even more stable than the first release!
Just about to install. Will report back later.

bashi007 said:
Thanks for the help, i have Ameo, after soft resetting all seems to work. Great!
i presume i buy the VGA theme from Nacashco Designs.
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Hi,
What is this "VGA theme from Nacashco Designs" ?

olegzz said:
Hi,
What is this "VGA theme from Nacashco Designs" ?
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Hi olegzz.
I can see by your joining date that you are new to this forum, so I will be patient with.
It is generally good practice to read through a thread before asking questions that may have already been asked and or answered.
In this instance no one has asked, but there are only 2 pages to this thread and one glance at the first page would have fully revealed what you asked.
to answer your question nonetheless, it is merely a skin made for Wisbar Advance 2 and is one of hundreds of interchangeable skins. Some of us just happen to like this one.
If you know about these things already I apoligise for my tone. If however you don't, then this might be of real interest to you as it completely changes the look and feel of your WM device.
The screenshots on page 1 of this thread are just 1 example of this. Best to head on over to Lakeridge software (website) to get a clearer picture.
Good luck.

mackaby007 said:
Hi olegzz.
I can see by your joining date that you are new to this forum, so I will be patient with.
It is generally good practice to read through a thread before asking questions that may have already been asked and or answered.
In this instance no one has asked, but there are only 2 pages to this thread and one glance at the first page would have fully revealed what you asked.
to answer your question nonetheless, it is merely a skin made for Wisbar Advance 2 and is one of hundreds of interchangeable skins. Some of us just happen to like this one.
If you know about these things already I apoligise for my tone. If however you don't, then this might be of real interest to you as it completely changes the look and feel of your WM device.
The screenshots on page 1 of this thread are just 1 example of this. Best to head on over to Lakeridge software (website) to get a clearer picture.
Good luck.
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My, that was way more polite than my response would have been!

Cool Home screens other than HTC Today screen

I'm looking to mix it up a bit with my home screen. I have ttran's open touch 4.0 (vista biggy) and love it, but I have had basically the same today screen since I've had the phone and am looking to mix it up. I know there are lots of things out there, but I don't know where to start. In fact the thing ttran has set as his avatar really intrigues me, but I don't know where to find it. Can anyone point out some cool home screens that I could use, preferably ones that have some kind of screenshot so I can see what I'm getting into?
Thanks guys.

Today Shells
These aren't plugins, they're actual UI shells. SPB Mobile Shell comes uith a small today plugin, but you have to pay. (or get a code generator PointUI and Gsmart are still in beta , although PointUI is much further along and less buggy. I use SPB for one hand access while I'm driving, then I switch back to HTC home. It's just assigned to a hard key.
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/?en
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pointui.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gsmart-today-plugin.html

You should take a look at this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360897
and you should also search in other forums, like the kaiser
...maybe you get some inspirations

porto777 said:
You should take a look at this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360897
and you should also search in other forums, like the kaiser
...maybe you get some inspirations
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Yep, I looked through that. Still nothing interests me as much as the today screen TTran has set as his avatar. Some decent ones but nothing that caught my eye.
To audio, thanks for the info. I'm not interested in paying for something, and don't know what a code generator is.
Gsmart looks really cool but if it's buggy it probably isn't worth it. PointUI I don't like, at least from the screenshot in the link you provided.

rlToday
Give this a try, I just ditched HTC Home for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1601960

By popular demand: the cabs i use

since i have received a number of requests for the cabs i'm using, i will just post them here.
if i've forgotten any cabs or if you have any questions, please let me know.
*thanks to all the authors of these cabs.

here's another.
[edit] i guess i should post the theme for batterystatus and give some instructions for that. you also need glossy black bars.exe for the black 6.1 theme to not b greyish. i had a LONG day so i'll post that stuff tomorrow

I guess this was more meant for me, lol. I'm gonna mess with em when I get home. Thanks.

itslinx said:
I guess this was more meant for me, lol. I'm gonna mess with em when I get home. Thanks.
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i got like 5 PMs asking for them, but since i can't figure out how to use attachments in PMs i figured i'd just post them here.

Thanks for the SoftKey changer. That's a big plus. I wanted to change the left softkey since i've had the wing.

I was able to install Kaiser.HTC.Home.v2.0.814.722-schen.weatherpatched.zip and I love the look. Definitely an improvement from what I had. A couple questions about THAT though. First of all, the weather. It's a VERY nice feature. But unfortunately, it's not accurate. It says my city is like 26 degrees when it's like 80 today. If you need to know, my city is Providence and that's in the US. Unless there's another Providence city in the US and that's not mine. But there's only one to choose from.
Also, what's the difference between your BatteryStatusExt_Clock.1.05.CAB and the BatteryStatus I use from Chi-Tai or whatever?

itslinx said:
I was able to install Kaiser.HTC.Home.v2.0.814.722-schen.weatherpatched.zip and I love the look. Definitely an improvement from what I had. A couple questions about THAT though. First of all, the weather. It's a VERY nice feature. But unfortunately, it's not accurate. It says my city is like 26 degrees when it's like 80 today. If you need to know, my city is Providence and that's in the US. Unless there's another Providence city in the US and that's not mine. But there's only one to choose from.
Also, what's the difference between your BatteryStatusExt_Clock.1.05.CAB and the BatteryStatus I use from Chi-Tai or whatever?
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change your degrees to Fahrenheit. you may need the home customizer for that, i'll post it.
as for batterystatus, it is from the same people, it is on their website, but you need that one in order to have the clock

wyldstallyns2589 said:
change your degrees to Fahrenheit. you may need the home customizer for that, i'll post it.
as for batterystatus, it is from the same people, it is on their website, but you need that one in order to have the clock
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I see. I'll be waiting for that Home Customizer then so I change to fahrenheit. I thought that might be the problem. I like the clock the way it is. So I guess I should keep the battery status I have already?
Also, what method did you use to remove the tray on the bottom? I thought it may be useful, but I don't think so anymore. I can always open stuff by the start menu or the launcher. As long as I can see the status of my battery on the today screen somewhere. Being able to lock it is useful too though. That way I don't accidently dial anybodys # and call them when my phone is in the carrier.
When the phones in landscape, the tray blocks what I have above it. I'd like to keep the appointments thing on the today screen.

i have configured the home plugin to just show the weather, is there anyway to remove the tab icon and the line that is below the city without disturbing the way that the plugin works?

Soniku007 said:
i have configured the home plugin to just show the weather, is there anyway to remove the tab icon and the line that is below the city without disturbing the way that the plugin works?
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not that i know of.
for getting rid of the tray, use a reg editor and find this
\HKLM\init\Launch92
delete the value TrayAp.exe and restart your phone, viola!
it's not letting me upload anymore. it just sits there. i'll try to figure it out.
any you can get rid of the tabs with the customizer but choosing the transparent buttons, but they look like a solid gray

Iphone like interface ?
I was told by a friend that he believes that he heard of a cab that will do what the ipone can do as far as with the touch screen. I have tried touch commander. But its not what I'm looking for... Please help

i downloaded a .cab that gave me phone an iphone look.. didnt like it all that much. your best bet is to use the search function. you will find what you need.

wyldstallyns2589 said:
since i have received a number of requests for the cabs i'm using, i will just post them here.
if i've forgotten any cabs or if you have any questions, please let me know.
*thanks to all the authors of these cabs.
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So the difference between the battery status and battery status clock is just the clock???

Iphone interface
I am super new here and now to all of this. I dont know much about this stuff except all I know that this is way cool.. Need help in finding what i'm looking for.

itslinx said:
i downloaded a .cab that gave me phone an iphone look.. didnt like it all that much. your best bet is to use the search function. you will find what you need.
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I dont know where to look or what to look for..

clue1968 said:
I dont know where to look or what to look for..
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Go to search up top right below where it says "Private Messages" and type in like "iphone look" or something. You'll find what you want.

finally! had to post the zip though

i suggest everyone just go here
http://www.pocketemu.com/news.html
as what i have posted is from like october 2007 and the new stuff is from march 2008

Thanks for posting that man, appreciate it. I was searching for it (while you said you weren't able to get it uploaded), but I wasn't sure whether or not the ones I found were the same as the one you had. Obviously the one you have you used and it works, so I wanted to be sure I got the same exact one. Thanks again.

itslinx said:
Thanks for posting that man, appreciate it. I was searching for it (while you said you weren't able to get it uploaded), but I wasn't sure whether or not the ones I found were the same as the one you had. Obviously the one you have you used and it works, so I wanted to be sure I got the same exact one. Thanks again.
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i got the newest HTC from the site i posted. i don't like it, you can't put anything above it. i want battery status THEN HTC home, but it won't let me do that.

ChrisTec Managed Today Screen Item Framework

Hello all,
i am currently playing around with my own made C# picture dialer that is displayed as a today item (very early beta i might add ). To be able to have the .net DLL displayed as a today item i use the ChrisTec Managed Today Screen Item Framework , written by Christopher Fairbairn.
it works quite well, so i thought it might be usefull to others.
if someone else wants to try it, it can be downloaded at http://www.codeplex.com/ManagedTodayScreen
sorry if this has already been mentioned on this forum, i have searched for posts relating to this framework, but i did not find it.

mb286 said:
Hello all,
i am currently playing around with my own made C# picture dialer that is displayed as a today item (very early beta i might add
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sounds quite useful, are you going to release it (for free) ?
regards,
Martin

m.schmidler said:
sounds quite useful, are you going to release it (for free) ?
regards,
Martin
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Changes are that i will be releasing a version here

I used it in my music server client and was pretty pleased with the results. I couldn't build it myself though, so I didn't have some of the newest additions like getting the Today Screen colors and all.
Just be careful and try not to make your today screen plugin a battery hog, since it'll always be running

Dromio said:
I used it in my music server client and was pretty pleased with the results. I couldn't build it myself though, so I didn't have some of the newest additions like getting the Today Screen colors and all.
Just be careful and try not to make your today screen plugin a battery hog, since it'll always be running
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thanks for your tip, i have not seen any large battery drain (yet) but i will keep my eye on it.

will it be scrollable ? It will be awsome if it could scroll left-right with fingure gestures

hoolahoous said:
will it be scrollable ? It will be awsome if it could scroll left-right with fingure gestures
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That is an interesting concept, perhaps at a later time. btw the plugin can be downloaded at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413552 so perhaps you can also post your suggestions there.

[htctoucher NEW black gloss/vistaish skin] willing to help out? good with mortplayer?

been working on a theme.. but dont have time to do all the work necessary to actually turn my mortplayer design into an actual skin. (mortplayer skinning is kind of confuses me)..
if someone likes this design enough to be willing to take this on I will supply you with all the graphics so we can work together!
** also.. I am taking suggestions, so shoot away **
looks like this so far:
(not fullscreen.. the windows mobile topbar will be visible still with this skin (qvista skin can be used as basis for this skin))
and main page
and bigger album art
TO DO:
alarm page and selection page
In the same scheme I have done:
s2u2 (callerID and lock)
rltoday
throttlelock
pocketcm (not pictured)
weatherpanel (full screen)
to do:
opera (most likely) - kind of waiting for more stable/newer release that I am satisfied with
Dialer
anyone up for the challenge?
(right now I just need help making the mortplayer design an actual skin)
would be greatly appreciated (I would love to be able to use this skin :-D)
thanks guys (in advance hopefully)
htctoucher

I like the look. Do you know if the ThrottleLock skin will work with a VGA device? thanks!

onlinespending said:
I like the look. Do you know if the ThrottleLock skin will work with a VGA device? thanks!
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i can make it VGA, just have to resize the images to be larger
i may start to just release parts of the theme this weekend if i have time even if i dont get help with mortplayer by then so keep an eye out!
glad you like it
htctoucher

That rltoday Skin doesn't look too bad, but I'm curious as to why you chose rlToday over say Homescreen ++ or ThrottleLauncher. But none the less its a great scheme you've got going there.
Also... Its abit difficult to determine artist from the screenshots of Mortplayer provided, you should probably make it abit more obvious or uniform with the track or possible associated with the track name itself (Title - Artist) etc.

Aegishua said:
That rltoday Skin doesn't look too bad, but I'm curious as to why you chose rlToday over say Homescreen ++ or ThrottleLauncher. But none the less its a great scheme you've got going there.
Also... Its abit difficult to determine artist from the screenshots of Mortplayer provided, you should probably make it abit more obvious or uniform with the track or possible associated with the track name itself (Title - Artist) etc.
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used rltoday cuz im used to it and its simple/i know how to skin it
I also can accomplish everythin I needed to accomplish.. Im not familiar with ++ (does it do something rltoday cant?)
no throttlelauncher because it is too much, and then I cant use weatherpanel.. I just like the simplicity of my set up as it is (I use ultimate launch have 1 bookmark page set up within UL, 1 shortcut page set up within UL, rltoday with appointments, time, alerts, date, some more shortcuts and then a weather page)
as for the mortplayer, I see what your saying, but as it is whatever is within parenthesis (), is the artist. once you know you probably wont forget it, plus then that it saves space (good for qvga especialy)
thanks for your feedback
htctoucher

added alarm page (still needs some work but just so you can see where I am headed)
no one interested in helping out?
looks like I am just gonna do it myself.. gonna be a while

htctoucher said:
added alarm page (still needs some work but just so you can see where I am headed)
no one interested in helping out?
looks like I am just gonna do it myself.. gonna be a while
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sorry bro i have never skinned anything in my life. once my grandfather asked me to help him skin a goat ... couldn't do that either
best of look though. looks nice so far.

htctoucher, can you share this throttlelock skin? thanks!

Id be happy to look into it, so what EXACTLY do you need help with?

yeah ill look for the throttlelock skin on my computer when I get on it and then upload it!
also, adderz
what I need is help with the mortplayer skin file it just takes so long to do!
let me know if you're interested and ill send you each page which you can cut up (photoshop or paint-not sure about paint) and then place (via the skin file) if you want to
let me know if you're interested!
thanks for the interest.. I thought this thread was long dead
htctoucher

yeh send it along, i think you have my email address from last time.
Good to see you worked out how to do those Comm Managers, they look great.

Great work Mister!
This looks rather good!!! For those Throttle Launcher fans you can always install the RL Today Page as a plugin whilst changing the footer pngs, should be easy enough. I'll be having a go at this, if it works in TL we should buy the guy a pack of beers each... Agree?!!!