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Model: MDA Pro
ROM/Radio/ExtRom: 1.12.42WWE | 1.00.02 | 1.12.126WWE
Design Flaws
No external display. Many cheapie prepay phones have this, why didn't the universal get one?
Usability Issues
When closed and Off, phone does not actually ring until 3rd ring. Leaving just 3 rings to answer it. Most calls hence go to voicemail due to not enough time left to answer.
When closed, and someone rings, the external start/end call buttons dont light up so I cant see which one is green(answer call) and which one is red(end call). 50% of the time I press the wrong one sending the caller to voicemail!
No simple, built in way to close rather than 'minimise' applications
Built in contacts app and calendar still unusable. MS: please just give up and buy Web IS !!
Software Bugs
Sometimes 2 of the wifi icons dissapear from the 'connections' tab under settings requiring a soft reset.
Wifi often fails to connect, needs switching off and then back on again, then it sees AP.
Loses the mobile network signal occasionally, for no reason (i.e even in 4 bar signal areas)
I'll add more as I remember them. But HTC/MS are getting better, the hardware and initial ROMs of the MDA Pro are worlds ahead of those on my XDA IIs (which was totally unusable initially).
Having a low battery means that device switches on every 5 mins to tell you about the low battery thus causing lower battery. Tell me once and then goto sleep! Or tell me once for 10%, once for 5% etc
If software causes the unit to switch on (in order to issue a notification) the same software should switch it off again after, i.e dont wait for the default 'not being used' timeout.
Nigel
Grrrrr
Ok .. I have an M5000 on orange, I have owned it for almost a week. My Rom/Radio gubbins are whatever Orange lock it at. My biggest complaints are:
1) Service Plans - There doesn’t seem to be a network in the UK that offers a service plan (more data, less voice) suited for the device. A trick was missed here I think!
2) My manual talks of GPRS counters and graphs.. My phone does not have any such features. All the more relevant given my 1st point and that the price per MB is horrendous on most networks.
3) Tolerance - My unit needs a reset at least twice a day. Sometimes because it can’t find GPRS coverage, sometimes coz it’s just slow. Back in the day when i purchased my 1st IPAQ I had to reset that a few times a day. I have been off in UIQ land for the past few years and I am surprised that this far into product evolution you die hard windows mobile/PPC fans have been putting up with the same crap for years. You are perfect customers and a tolerant bunch ;-).
4) Incoming call delay – I read that this is fixed in later roms. I tried to install a JASJAR rom and failed. My phone is locked. Blastit !
5) Windows Mobile Media Player 10 – a pointless piece of software, how do I delete it
6) Speed – In between reboots my unit is inconsistently slow. I have tried all of the points suggested in this forum aside from the rom updates (I cant do that).
7) Email – The email client is dire. I use IMAPS and SSL SMTP. Everything is find on mail accounts with low numbers of messages in ( < 100 ). The wheels fall off very quickly if you ask the client to download mail from a mbox with a few thousand messages in and lots of folders. So far I have lots a mail account twice and left it saying “updating folders” for 3 hours while connected via wifi.
8) Email Again – Like I said .. I use IMAPS and SSL SMTP. I use self signed certs. The 1st time I created my mail accounts and connected the unit asked me if I wanted to proceed with the self signed cert shenanigans. After that I was not asked. When I look for the certs in the certificates app they are not there. Where are they?
>1) Service Plans - There doesn’t seem to be a network in the UK that offers a service plan (more data, less voice) suited for the device. A trick was missed here I think!
Agreed, t-mobile with web-n-walk are the closest, but poor 3G coverage and no possibility to upgrade bundled data from 40MB (other than £1/MB Pay-as-you-go) + unused data not carried over to next month are the main issues.
>2) My manual talks of GPRS counters and graphs.. My phone does not have any such features. All the more relevant given my 1st point and that the price per MB is horrendous on most networks.
You should have found an application called 'spb GPRS Monitor' on the CD?? install this after having got the machine connected via activesync and you'll have the missing part of the puzzle. This is somet else that should be included within the OS -- MS please buy spb !
>4) Incoming call delay – I read that this is fixed in later roms. I tried to install a JASJAR rom and failed. My phone is locked. Blastit !
Indeed, phone should have never gotten to market with this major bug.
>7) Email – The email client is dire. I use IMAPS and SSL SMTP. Everything is find on mail accounts with low numbers of messages in ( < 100 ). The wheels fall off very quickly if you ask the client to download mail from a mbox with a few thousand messages in and lots of folders. So far I have lots a mail account twice and left it saying “updating folders” for 3 hours while connected via wifi.
Webis mail is an improvement, but still not great. My main issue with imap is the inability to set a specific imap root folder. My mail is served from my linux box at home, and there is stuff other than mail in my user directory - I dont want it finding all this stuff (at all!) Yeah, I know you can tell it to sync only specific folders, but initially it tries to sync the lot. I gave up with imap and use pop3 now. Perhaps push email availability will fix this.
Nigel
@veletron
O2 has a tariff called Data 36 for around £16.50 per month for 36MB and voice calls are on a pay as you go basis (max 25p per minute).
I agree with most item you guys mentioned especially about the phone's ringing late than the actual incoming call. If I carry JJ, on that particular day I would miss most of my calls due to that.
Here is the bug I consider annoying and hopefully they get fixed soon:
1. The Caller ID sent to the BT headset (still number instead of contact name). Have not heard anything yet till now. Dunno until when they're going to fix this.
2. When used in PDA/tablet mode, there is no hardware button for both of the softkeys that are being introduced in WM5. Pretty annoying. Other hardware buttons on the side are mostly dedicated buttons. I have to sacrifice the record button and assign it to click the OK.
3. If you have not found this one out yet. please try it with your JJ/Universal. With a SD card inside the slot, use one finger, pull it out by moving the edge slowly (without pushing it in to release it). The SD card will come out!
I was pretty :`( with this, but when the SD card inside the slot, even I shake the JJ it will not come out. At least we have to be extra careful with this.
jah said:
@veletron
O2 has a tariff called Data 36 for around £16.50 per month for 36MB and voice calls are on a pay as you go basis (max 25p per minute).
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Exactly... 36Mb is pretty poor, A few hours of streaming monkey radio, some GRIB files, email and web pages etc.. and I am stuffed....
I have had to jump through hoops just to get something half decent. I ended up with a 400MB a month add on but only after I signed up on a business tariff as a sole trader.
The guys at expansys were selling the JJ with an orange all you can eat (1GB per month) data card sim in it. While he told me voice calls would work he could not confirm that that would always be the case, when I spoke with orange they told me it would never work.
For me the most annoying thing is that the Jasjar in about 20% of the cases freezes upon arrival of a new SMS. You know this makes the thing so very unreliable. You never know when the unit has froozen and find out only when you need to use the unit again. Then you start wondering that don't know how many people tried to contact you while the Jasjar was lying frozen, unnoticed.
Kind Regards
I have no complaints at all, i have it exactly as i want it, now Lakeridge have sorted the screen switch time to be instant on wisbar i am happy, I have the following installed
Wisbar Advance 2 (newest release)
Pocket Informant (newest WM5 Release)
Pocket Breeze
Dinarsoft HandyMenu & Launcher & Switcher
Expea2 Theme
Blank Black Wallpaper
The Show and Hide Bottom Bar App (Assigned to a custom Wisbar Icon)
PSShutxp
FlexWallet 2006
CodeWallet Pro 5
Resco Keyboard Pro 4.34
Resco Explorer 2005 v5.20
I have 27.74MB Storage & 17.77MB Program Memory Free
It has taken 5 Hard resets, and much hair pulling and waiting for new releases, but my JasJar is now stable as hell!
Now if only someone could figure out how to display animated gifs as caller ID's i would be as happy as a P.I.S!!!! at last
Richard
jah said:
@veletron
O2 has a tariff called Data 36 for around £16.50 per month for 36MB and voice calls are on a pay as you go basis (max 25p per minute).
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Aye, I am aware of this. I was gonna go with o2 on data 200 originally, but they buggered up my order, charged me for the device but never sent it, performed a total of 15 credit checks, screwed my credit history, and then started sending me final demands for data200 even though the contract had already been cancelled. Took 4 weeks to get credit record straightened out, and £139.99 for xda refunded, and a further 2 weeks to get them to realise that I had returned the sim within the usual 14 days.
Ruddy Nightmare, after that I dont consider any O2 products to be worth a mention!! I am a long time contract customer, and they were not even interested in keeping the business by way of money off sweetners!
Besides.... 40MB+200 anynet mins still costs much much more on O2 than on t-mobile ;-)
Nigel
My Universal is losing email accounts. I think memory is not safe in WM5!
See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=202617&highlight=mail+accounts#202617
Have seen much of that discussed above on my new T-Mobile MDA Pro, however in addition to the overly long call delay, with extremely heavy use over the past month I have observed the following two rather disconcerting "critical" bugs:
- occasionally, the GSM system loses the network despite the network being present and displays a "no service" exclaimation mark next to the service twig. No problem here, except that it does not recover from this state even if the network comes back, or if the location (ie. cell) is changed. For example, this happened in central London today, and after 4 hours of monitoring, it was still lost to the world...
- very occasionally, I've seen my little green service light flashing happily with the clamshell closed, appearing to indicate all was well. However, upon powering up the MDA Pro, I've discovered it had crashed, requiring a reset.
This is serious, because in both cases, my MDA Pro had irrecoverably gone out of network service for a considerable time, during which time any incoming calls had been lost.
In short, I cannot depend upon this device for voice, although I'm happy to live with these issues for data only. So it's a mini laptop... and I still have to get/carry another phone and SIM.
Bosseye
Have seen much of that discussed above on my new T-Mobile MDA Pro, however in addition to the overly long call delay, with extremely heavy use over the past month I have observed the following two rather disconcerting "critical" bugs:
- occasionally, the GSM system loses the network despite the network being present and displays a "no service" exclaimation mark next to the service twig. No problem here, except that it does not recover from this state even if the network comes back, or if the location (ie. cell) is changed. For example, this happened in central London today, and after 4 hours of monitoring, it was still lost to the world...
- very occasionally, I've seen my little green service light flashing happily with the clamshell closed, appearing to indicate all was well. However, upon powering up the MDA Pro, I've discovered it had crashed, requiring a reset.
This is serious, because in both cases, my MDA Pro had irrecoverably gone out of network service for a considerable time, during which time any incoming calls had been lost.
In short, I cannot depend upon this device for voice, although I'm happy to live with these issues for data only. So it's a mini laptop... and I still have to get/carry another phone and SIM.
Bosseye
bosseye said:
This is serious, because in both cases, my MDA Pro had irrecoverably gone out of network service for a considerable time, during which time any incoming calls had been lost.
In short, I cannot depend upon this device for voice, although I'm happy to live with these issues for data only. So it's a mini laptop... and I still have to get/carry another phone and SIM.
Bosseye
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Agree, the Universal is not really a phone its is a PDA/mini tablet. There are lots of people, however, here and at Howard Forums who think the Universal is as good as SE/Nokia phones.
When I had my first Vodafone was about 15 pages long. Hundreds of GPRS/UMTS connections and disconnections. Does not sound right to me! Sure is something funny with the JasJar radio.
bosseye said:
- occasionally, the GSM system loses the network despite the network being present and displays a "no service" exclaimation mark next to the service twig.
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Hi
I have seen this also, hopefully a future radio revision will sort it out. I have noticed that even with this (!) mark, the phone *IS* still in service. Some 3rd party progs dont check for a network connection before they try and send data, these still work even with the (!) WiFi is disabled so its not that. I see the same also with wifi, it says 'connecting' but it is in fact connected!!
Basically, the built in stuff is using an API to query the phone about its connection state, and its getting back a 'false'. Stuff that does not bother to query does not get the 'false' and thus works.
Its a pain in the @rse, I think that the display icon displays its state based on the same API call, so perhaps the whole lot is linked together. The status of the device is not being updated correctly.
Oh... it will also ring at times when it is displaying the (!)...
All supposition of course!
Mine will usually come back, if it does not then switching from auto to gsm or umts and then back kicks it into gear. I.e a soft reset is not usually required.
Mine is an MDA Pro flashed with the O2 original ROM.
Nigel
On my O2 Exec, I find that the backlight often isn't working when I switch it on. I have to go into the Settings, select Backlight, and then uncheck and recheck one of the settings there.
I had the same problem with the Ipaq I used to have, although it seemed to happen less regularly.
Calendar\Task alarms dissapear, no Notification with Alarm
the WM "Notification Que" Issue
After 3 weeks of usage of my Qtek9000:
- all the Calendar notifications dissapeared (no text, no sound);
- the Alarms did have sound and vibra, but no text and Notification softbutton on the screen;
- alarms sounds could appear on their selfs on a random time and no Text on the screen.
I've searched the forum and it learned out that it is a Notification Que Issue.
It looks that upon a time, that que is being oversized or some mess (duplicates?) happened in it.
So, after that the "Notification Que" Issue appears.
cross-posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=236733#236733
After trying to use my XDA Exec as my main device I had to finally just use it for PIM, eBooks & web (with Opera) and I used a Moto v3X as my main mobile/cell phone as the call quality of the Exec is poor relative to other standard 3G phones and I don't like the delay in altering you to an incoming call. But even as a eBook reader mini tablet I suffered because of the poor battery life and the need to reboot every two days. So I have now gone back to using my Nokia 9500 and I feel so much less stress now! I can't wait for the 3G Nokia Communicator.
Anyone got a fix for this?
lost wifi wep keys every time i soft reset? - keep on having to eneter the bloody wep key!!!!
Hi All,
I am using O2 XDA Exec. here is the system info:
ROM Version: 1.13.82 WWE
ROM date: 11/30/05
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version 42.37.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.188 WWE
Since my last ROM update from O2 the machine is extremely fast. I got of O2 and installed corporate one and never looked back. I laways have 28MB program and 28MB storage and no hacks involved. I have 512 MB SD card (getting smaller need bigger one).
Incoming calls: always answers the after the first ring.
pressing the phone button brings the dialer up in a split second.
I have buletooh car kit and always connect with my Exec for at least 1 hour at a time twice day without dropping a single connection ever.
WiFi extremly robust and never had problem connecting to mine or a paid one and it is beautiful used with SKYPE to make cheap phoen calls abroad.
I hardly need to reset the machine unless an application behaves badly. I just dont install unnecessary applications, or pretty ones (it is a matter of taste this one)
There is no proper close for application, it would be nice but hardly an issue to me (only a couple of taps away), actually some application I want them running.
Never had problems with call connections, and I travel between London and Swindon everyday.
As for Battery, when not using the display I switch it off (I can still get calls).
I leave a USB cable at work for recharging and a a car charger in the car. I also bought a spare battery. I am never out of battery (ofr my kind of usage).
All applications are standard and I use them heavily, appointments, alarms, contacts (2550 names of all the company employees), emails, word, and especially presentation (power point) and they do the job adequately.
I donwloaded and tried (with intention to buy) many application that might replace the standard ones but I always unable to justify spending the money as they don't do anything special (prettier maybe).
the only application I have is
WiFiFoFum for scanning wireless networks.
SBP GPRS Monitor (O2 gives me 100K a month free - wehehehe)
Adobe Reader 2.0
Microsoft Reader
PocketTV
CodeWallet Pro 5.0
Inesoft Cash organizer 05 Premium
Skookum for RSS news
and of course SKYPE 2.0
and with mobile google and a list of mobile websites in my Internet Explorer favourites and skookum I can get all the news and info that I need.
What I don't like;
no front screen to see who is calling without opening the device (this would have been a killer to me).
A-GPS or even a full blown GPS would have been very nice indeed.
I bought themachine 4 months ago from O2 high street; now hwyI don' thave these bugs people talk about, is there different versions of bad batches? I am not the only one I met quite few people who also get surprised when we read the bugs. Strange; could it be the way people use the device?
Thanks
SO MANY PROBLEMS......BUT MY MAIN ONES ARE
PHONE DROPPING CALLS WHEN DRIVING..UPGRADED TO LASTEST ROM STILL DOING IT ........I REALLY WISH I COULD FIX THIS...DOES ANY ONE ELSE HAVE THIS PROBLEM?
CASE MARKS...
STUTTERING RING TONES
ANSWER DELAYS
I THINK HTC SHOULD DO THE RIGHT THING AND RECALL THE LOT OF THEM MY OLD XDA 2 WAS A GREAT PHONE....THIS IS A PIECE OF CRAP.
I just wanted to share my experiences with my new phone so far. The T-Mobile MDA (I'm not sure what version it is, it's the only one for sale at T-Mobile right now) is an awesome phone.
Just today I learned how to listen to streaming Sirius satellite radio, and I enjoyed the sounds of dance music by the pool from Windows Media Player on my phone.
The things I hate about this phone are the battery life (it's horrible, especially if I have Bluetooth on all day for my Bluetooth headset or am listening to streaming music), the bad Outlook syncing (I don't know how to set contacts in a group like Personal and ONLY sync Person contacts with my phone), the GPRS connection is bad... I guess when I don't have service it disconnects itself or something, I don't know how to always keep it alive. Also, downloading things from this forum from my phone doesn't work, it downloads the file download.php when it should be downloading the actual file instead.
Are there any solutions to my problems?
How to keep your GPRS alive
1) Go to the following registry entry:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A3 *****}\Connections\GPRS*****\"
2) Change "Always On" 0 into 1.
Thanks, is there anything wrong with keeping it on all the time?
Any battery saving enhancements or longer lasting batteries?
Battery
I am still looking into that GPRS issue myself.
I am not sure Kenny, but I read that there are two battery versions
for MDA vario. The standard version that is included with your device, and one that is a little bit more expensive, but will give you 50% extra power.
Please do a search on the net.
Tried this... my device will auto disconnect anyway.
JaySea,
Please try again,
It should work.
If it disconnects then something else is blocking it.
And even when it disconnects, it will connect by itself again,
about 2 minutes after disconnecting.
JaySea said:
Tried this... my device will auto disconnect anyway.
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Do a soft reset, then see if it works...
I'm a total n00b with the T-Mo MDA so please excuse the question.
To view the registry entry must you connect to a PC and access from that or is this done in the phone itself?
Thanks.
Viewing the registry...
You can check/edit the registry on your handheld device with (for example) Resco Explorer or Total Commander...
okay, I'm confused. Is this the right version of Total Commander? MDA has an xscale proc, right?
Sjaakman: Thx so much for the tip.
My MDA has excellent battery life, much better than my previous iMate jam.
WiFi drains your battery life quickly. Set your backlight to the 2nd lowest level and make sure it is set to turn off after 1 min - if it's on all the time that takes a lot of power.
Maybe your battery is bad, see if you can get it replaced.
I'm a newbie in this subject on PDA phones, I just acquired the new MDS Vario T-mobile and don't know many of the great features that some of you mentioned here. If there is any way that I can find more information about the usage of the phone, please send me a PM to guide me through in my initiation. Every bit of advise will be much appreciated.
I'm a newbie in this subject on PDA phones, I just acquired the new MDS Vario T-mobile and don't know many of the great features that some of you mentioned here. If there is any way that I can find more information about the usage of the phone, please send me a PM to guide me through in my initiation. Every bit of advise will be much appreciated.
question how did u get serious radio
Yea how DID you get sat. radio? i mean we all have wifi/gprs/edge...so where do u go to listen?!?!
thanks
Kenny Pollock said:
Thanks, is there anything wrong with keeping it on all the time?
Any battery saving enhancements or longer lasting batteries?
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thanks
Kenny Pollock said:
Thanks, is there anything wrong with keeping it on all the time?
Any battery saving enhancements or longer lasting batteries?
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Battery Good overe here
My battery is good it last a long time for a device of this magnitude, also I foud a thread on here about increasing frame rate of the cam from 10 to 19, well i did this then enabled the frame rate counter, it stayed at 10.06 or so. But yesterday I turned the fram rate enabled thing on again now its showing 30-38 frams a sec for video and 15-16 for Pics!!! I dont know y, anyone experience this!!!
Web Access via Wifi or GPRS/Edge
Hello, I am new to TMobile and the MDA; I have had it for 4 days. For the life of me, no matter what I do I cannot get the phone to access the web. Here is what I have done:
1) At home, my PDA (ipaq 4705) and previous phone (imate Jam mini) both connect to my home wireless acess pont with no trouble. The MDA shows my access point in the Network Cards Settings, but it will not associate with it at all. The battery is fully charged, the mode is set to performance, woreless is on, the acess point shows up in the Settings Wireless status screens, but it will not associate. The access point is a b/g one and it is set to mixed mode.
2) I have set up the GPRS settings exactly as per TMobiles web site with the access point (wap.voicestream.com), the proxy, the 8080 port number etc. When I try to go to a website (any web site), the GPRS/Edge modem successfully connects, but Internet Explorer just indicates 'Locating' and I never see a web site,
I have phone service plus the full internet package at 29.95 per month.
Nothing on the phone makes me think it is broken. For those that may have all this working, is there some magic to it? I'm trying not to call TMobile as the 3 or 4 times I have spoken with them I have not seen very good technical knowledge at all.
I have searched quite a bit but have not seen any mention of these problems. I'm hoping I am doing something wrong. Any experienced TMobile user out there that can give a few suggestions?
Regards,
Bob
My TyTN arrived on 8/9. I have a 2GB microSD card.
General
It's serial number is HT628.
The kbd backlight timeout on this device is 30 seconds . This one only has a detent on the right side. The caps lock mode is different: you now have to hit <alt>CAPS to lock caps mode. In fact, this is graphically displayed by showing the "Caps" function in blue on the Shift key. Doing another <alt>CAPS disables. Locking Alt mode still requires a double press on the blue dot key, but now its disabled by pressing the blue dot again once.
I have not tested UMTS since its not available in my area yet.
Processor Speed-wise, it feels about the same as my 8125 overclocked to 240mhz
I set up exchange direct push with no problems. Vibrate on new mail alert works just fine when the device is in powersave mode.
I have not been successful at enabling the Edge Icon using the known reghack. I also tried installing the Cingular EdgeIconEnable cab from the extrom and this had no effect either. However, speed comparisons between the TyTN and my 8125 produced startling results. Using www.2wire.com, my 8125 turned in 50-70 KB/sec. The TyTN never dropped below 100KB/sec in 5 successive tests. In fact, one test ran 294KB/sec :shock: I didn't think edge ran that fast.... Nevertheless, the Edge issue is icon only. The performance of this device on Edge networks is better than my wizard by about 2X.
WiFi connects well and switches smoothly from GPRS.
Bluetooth
This device set up perfectly with my BMW bluetooth handsfree system. All contacts were downloaded correctly and connect time is very fast
This device set up perfectly with my ThinkOutside bluetooth keyboard. I used the latest kbd driver available on think outside's website. However, if my TyTN is in landscape mode and it enters powersave mode, portrait mode is re-selected when I exit powersave mode. This is a bit of a PITA if I've got the TyTN on the keyboard stand....
A2DP
I'm testing with the HP iPAQ Bluetooth stereo headphones, also sold by Logitech. This device was one of the best of all devices tested on the HTC Wizard btw.
Where do I start.... My current impression is: not ready for prime time. I'm thinking of installing the A2DP cab from the Torando hack as it loads different versions that may have a positive effect on functionality.
I applied all the reghacks suggested and still get breakups.
A2DP stops working if you place the TyTN in powersave mode by tapping the power button
After playing for a while, I actually lose my ability to use the digizer. Taps aren't recognized. Fixing this is touch and go without resetting. I am generally able to go into powersave mode then return. However, the audio stream becomes so distorted when I do this that I have to kill TCPMP then shut off/turn on my headset again.... Major PITA!
WMP doesn't even recognize the headset and still plays through the speakers. It will completely lock up my TyTN if I pair my headset while its playing music.
Everything eventually slows to a crawl when A2DP is active. Something is using up more and more of the processor and this may have some bearing on the breakup issue because interestingly, when you first start using A2DP, everything is fine; it just degrades slowly over time and eventually even trashes the digitizer.
edit: I installed the dll's and associated cert from the Tornado A2DP project and these had no impact on performance. In fact they may have made performance a little worse. I also tweaked the registry settings to match the Tornado project and these had no effect either. What seems to have worked the best so far is tweaking the Priority256 settings of the bluetooth and WAVE processes to lower values (somewhat counter intuitive). More on this later if I find these settings are significant to a successful tweak. My gut feeling is that they are not and that the real issue lies elsewhere.
Applications
Spb Pocket plus installed with no issues
Spb Backup installed with no issues
Sbp Time throws a SpbTimeNotify.exe execution error on startup. Usually auto-timezones is the culprit here. However, the timezone page reghack didn't enable the timezone page in phone settings.
Novii Remote appears to work just fine (although, with IR on the bottom instead of the side I'll need to re-work all my setups). IR range is dismal though, about 1 meter max vs. my 8125 which easily did 4-5 meters. Bummer here
My SipChange app works just fine (naturally)
Initial Conclusions
As a business device, this thing is rock solid. Push email works great and the jog dial makes one-handed use much more possible. The faster Edge processing makes data retrieval better even if you don't have a UMTS signal.
The good stuff isn't working though. There's a major bug in the A2DP implementation. Some process slowly eats up processor cycles when its running until the entire device slows to a crawl. I'll keep working on this.
It took all day to wear down the battery. On GSM, at least, this device seems to have the same battery life as my 8125. I'm also thinking this might use the same battery as the CDMA Apache. If so, there's drop in replacements that add more capacity. I'll be checking into this too...
More posts to follow....
sleuth,
Thanks for the post. I'm using the 8125 currently on T-mobiles network. I consistently get Edge speeds of 70 to 124 kpbs using www.dslreports.com. I tried the www.2wire.com and it was even faster (134 kbs). Though I have measured speeds with other services, it is unusual. Please try the speed test on dslreports.
I also find it odd that the A2dp isn't working. Have you tried the I-Phono, Motorola, or Jabra stereo headsets. I thought they had better reviews?
Thanks again for the heads up. I may wait a bit before getting the TyTN. I've also considered getting an Apache which I've tested between 300 and 700 kpbs on the Verizon network.
Keep in mind how I did the Edge test: I put my SIM in my TyTN and did 5 successive tests. Then I put the SIM in my 8125 and did 5 tests. Thus I compared the performance of the two devices with the exact same tower layout/signal strength. My TyTN operated, on average, about twice as fast in this test. Now I know that in the Chicago area, I consistantly got better than 100KB/sec out of my 8125 too so this test indicates the TyTN's ability to achieve the same high thruput in conditions where my 8125 (running AKU2.3 and the 02.25.11 Radio ROM) didn't.
DSLReports tests with Cingular 3G
All of these were at 9:20 PM EDT and using the wireless.cingular.com proxy server.
Test 1: 839 kb/s
Test 2: 915 kb/s
Test 3: 929 kb/s
Test 4: 900 kb/s
Test 5: 894 kb/s
Avg for Test: 895.4 kb/s
At other times, I have seen as high as 1.2 Mb/s.
hjkl;' why no delete?
Update:
I have bad "." and uparrow keys. They only work if I press them really hard. I am exchanging this TyTN for a new one because of this.
In general, UMTS/HSDPA speeds and the ability to simultaneously handle voice/data is the only reason to upgrade from a Wizard IMHO. I believe that the A2DP issue will eventually be fixed, but for now you must be prepared to trade A2DP for high speed data.
more A2DP settings info
I've got to say this: lowering the priority256 value of the WAVE process sure does improve things. I made it 255 and the btaudio driver 254 and its the best I've had it. Damn near usable. There may be other issues with the WAVE driver priority being so low though like stuttering notifications.
However, after 5 minutes or so, the problem slowley builds up until its bad again. This leads me to believe that there are two problems. One having to do with processor slowly being eaten up by an unknown process and the other having to do with priority interactions between the wave and bt audio drivers. If you want to play with the relevant priority256 values yourself, here's the values:
HKLM/Drivers/BuiltIn/BtA2dpSnd/Priority256 = 254
HKLM/Drivers/Builtin/WaveDev/Priority256 = 255
The system seems to work best if the btaudio driver has a higher priority than the wave driver. Priorities are higher if their Priority256 values are lower btw.
I'm still working to understand what is slowley eating the processor. Has anybody here seen a task manager that shows %proc utilization by process like the Windows Taskmanager does?
more A2DP settings info
....suc6....
goestoeleven,
Thanks for the report. Those speeds are amazing. They are similar to the EVDO speeds of the Apche on the Sprint and Verizon networks.
I may just have to give my son the wizard and go for this phone.
sleuth,
Have you tried the zokie a2dp .cab? It worked well adding a2dp to wizards which had ROMs without a2dp.
I'm sure a future ROM will cure any a2dp or other software problem I'd the phone is adopted widely which it will be.
Sleuth255, have you tried this Taskmanager from buzzdev http://buzzdev.net/component/option...view/id,18571/catid,27/limit,15/limitstart,0/
looks perfect. Tks!
Hey Sleuth you made any progress with the A2DP yet?
Great notes btw!
Can someone try these reg settings and report what they find? I applied them and did a quick test and didnt have any skips. But i'm at work and my battery is in the red (charged 2 days ago) so i cant test it extensively and be without a phone till i get to a charger.
Note: decimal values are in brackets
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\Wavedev]
"Priority256"=dword:00000080 (128)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings]
"UseJointStereo"=dword:00000000 (0)
"BitPool"=dword:0000003a (58)
"MaxSupportedBitPool"=dword:00000050 (80)
"MinSupportedBitPool"=dword:0000000e (14)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\BtA2dpSnd]
"Priority256"=dword:0000003c (60)
cam05 said:
Hey Sleuth you made any progress with the A2DP yet?
Great notes btw!
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I'm waiting for my replacement TyTN. s/b late next week I'm hoping, then I can get back on it.
Great! Out of curiosity I didnt see you mention anywhere that you had to send it back... what for?
The period and uparrow keys wouldn't work with normal pressure and the camera flash was inoperative: turning on the flash instead seemed to just short out the screen backlight.
Regarding the replacement of my TyTN...
My online supplier, www.phonesource-usa.com hasn't yet responded to any of my emails and phone calls into the status of my replacement. The device was returned within their 3 day exchange policy period and they received it on the morning of 8/18. I'm not concerned about this yet, however I will carefully document my ongoing experience, either good or bad here with regards to this online seller as well as with the replacement process here in the US for the TyTN itself.
Interestingly, phonesource-usa also no longer offers the TyTN on their website. This may be because they are out of stock and may very likely be having some impact on my replacement.
edit:
Christian from phonesource-usa got back to me today and they are indeed waiting on their next shipment of TyTNs. Apparantly there's also some issues with email correspondance and his earlier replies didn't reach me. At any rate, he's hoping that my replacement TyTN will be in my hands next week. Then I can start playing around again. I live for this btw.
Sleuth255 I also bought from phonesource and sent him an email on Saturday and havent heard anything back. Others though seem to have had good results with him so keep trying to contact him. Keep us updated on how things work out.
@efjay: see the edit to my post above yours. Christian at phonesource seems to be having issues with email deliveries. I did an explicit accept to my Spam filter on him and his reply got right through. Maybe a spam filter has locked into his address for some reason.
Thanks Sleuth255 for the info. I will probably try again later today.
Battery is draining too fast when 8525 is connected data mode ( Goodlink or Xpress.)
This forced Cingular to postpone the imminant release of 8525
Any body is noticing this with the TyTn ?
Goodlink is a notorious battery killer on many devices...
I used to use Xpressmail on my SX66, and it was also a battery killer (and extremely unstable).
I'm not using either program on my TyTN though...
I'm using Exchange ActiveSync with DirectPush via PDAConnect (and isp.cingular APN). I've seen no issues whatsoever with battery life.
goestoeleven said:
I'm using Exchange ActiveSync with DirectPush via PDAConnect (and isp.cingular APN). I've seen no issues whatsoever with battery life.
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Goesto11, do you have to have the PDAConnect plan with Cingular to get pushmail without using Goodlink, or can I get it with just unlimited Medianet plan?
I have been on 3G, with DirectPush from my exchange server and battery's down to 50% since morning ..
I don't use Goodlink at all (never did).
Unlimited MediaNet forces you to use wap.cingular, which can cause timeout issues (see Sleuth's notes on the subject).
There is definitely better performance on mail delivery / polling frequency (and thus battery life) on using isp.cingular, which is only available with PDAConnect.
Whether or not the improvements are worth an extra $20/mo is a personal decision...
austin_boy ... OT .. Any news of anymore ROMs from Cingular?
@austin_boy: I can test this on my TyTN to see if the problem reproduces (Indicating hardware or not). Is v1.34 the ROM I should be using?
Cingular release of 8525
Does anyone know when Cingular plans to release this phone? My SX-66 is on its last legs.
Goesto11... thanks for the info.
Jhouse... that's the question of the year. No one knows. Speculation has been wild all over the internet. Some piece of Cingular literature said Oct. 29th, and then that ended up being an outdated piece of literature. I've heard everything from tomorrow all the way through the end of the year as release dates. Don't bother asking any of the sales people in any of the retail stores. They don't know either.
There is no one place on the net to go to keep updated on the status, but if I had to suggest a couple places to keep in tune to everyday to see if any news about it comes up, it would be Engadget Mobile (www.engadgetmobile.com) or Cingular's HTC forum (forums.cingular.com and then click on 'Cingular/HTC' and do a search for 8525). Take what they say in that forum with a grain of salt though.
Be patient. The release is imminent (before the holidays). No operator will launch a device with a potential defect. The battery problem is on the way to get solved
austin_boy said:
Be patient. The release is imminent (before the holidays). No operator will launch a device with a potential defect. The battery problem is on the way to get solved
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You evidently don't have Sprint
<---Patiently (not really) waiting
@austin_boy:
If you need more testing done prior to release, you know where to drop off the "fixed" ROM...
I have noticed the Battery drain on my Tytn, but it is only a problem when connected to 3G. Seems to be a little better on the Cingular 1.34 rom, than the stock Tytn 1.18.
I am in a 3G area all the time so my Tytn is always connected to the 3G network using the Cingular isp.cingular APN. When I first got the Tytn, the battery would go down 50 to 60 percent overnight without use(only push email with about 10 emails rec'd) if left in the Auto selection (it seems to search for the signal when set to Auto). It would only go down maybe 10 percent if set to GSM only. And would go down 30 to 50 percent if set to 3G only.
I let the battery run out several times in between full charges and it seems to be better.
I have found it is better to set the network band to either GSM/1900-850 or Wcdma/1900-850 and the battery lasts longer. Yes, it lasts a lot longer on GSM, but if I wanted just GPRS/EDGE why buy the Tytn. SO I usually set it to 3g.
I charge it on my daily commute (45 minutes) while listening/watching morning TV and the occasional call via bluetooth. Receive probably 35 to 60 emails via MSexchange Push. Make approx 10 to 15 calls and occasional surfing the web while on the phone. I sometimes have to charge it during my day at the office, but it will usually last until my drive home.
So, yes the battery does not last very long. My Prophet and Universal can easily last more than a day. But I love that 3g speed. So, if you have a tytn; get a charger for home, work and a car charger also.
I am hoping another Cingular Rom shows up for more testing.....
Hi,
my GPRS connection is working, it connects without any problem but when i try to navigate with PIE then I can see the message "Opening" on the left lower corner but it just stays that way for a long time and the page never gets displayed. My e-mail works fine so that means i have GPRS connection and working. If i try navigating to a WAP site some pages get displayed and some other don't. If i connect via WiFi or via activesync then i can navigate without any problems. Based on my observations I suspect a problem with the MRU (Maximum receive Unit) of the TCPiP stack but i can not find on the registry where to change that.
Hope someone can help.
I used Tweak2K2 to set it in mine. Sorry I do not know the Reg setting.
hguiraud said:
Hi,
my GPRS connection is working, it connects without any problem but when i try to navigate with PIE then I can see the message "Opening" on the left lower corner but it just stays that way for a long time and the page never gets displayed. My e-mail works fine so that means i have GPRS connection and working. If i try navigating to a WAP site some pages get displayed and some other don't. If i connect via WiFi or via activesync then i can navigate without any problems. Based on my observations I suspect a problem with the MRU (Maximum receive Unit) of the TCPiP stack but i can not find on the registry where to change that.
Hope someone can help.
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I wonder whether your HTTP proxy port number is correct. I had same problem and I was using the advertised port number until I discovered there was another one that actually worked. I would suggest a port number but I'm O2 UK (it was `advertised as 80 but only actually worked on PIE with 8080)
Mike
You are not alone
Please check the following threads, both are related to our problem, unfortunely none of them gives a solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286449
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287101
My GPRS connection doesn´t require an HTTP proxy server so Mike´s suggestion didn´t work for me. I contacted Movistar and they are not open to give support since I didn´t buy the device from them....
On the other hand, if somebody can provide the ROM reg settings and a brief instruction on how can be changed would be great
Hi Luiggi
Sorry you have not got it solved yet. I remembered your post and looked for it but did not find it - hoped you had a solution to offer - sadly not
Edit: I suppose you are certain about the proxy? I ask because mine will connect to GPRS just fine without it - BUT PIE does not unless it's set.
Mike
Maybe it is a Movistar problem
Interesting, so happens that my service provider is also Movistar; maybe they have done something different to their network settings. Any way, I was in the US recently and was able to use GPRS roaming although because the TyTN does not differentiates between GPRS and EDGE it could have been that it was using EDGE and that it why i could navigate using PIE.
The funny thing about this problem is that my e-mail works fine and my SPB whether also updates without problems, it is only the navigation with PIE that i have issues with. Based on my observations it seems to be that if the tcp packet is larger that a certain size it gets dropped by the tcp stack.
Not lucky so far
Hi Mike!
Movistar people told me that the don´t need proxy servers for the connections since they use Dynamic IP addresses (?). I´ve have tried a lot of different configurations but not luck so far, the comment posted above could be they key, now the big question is: What are the proper settings and how to modify the reg...?
Will reflashing the phone be the only solution?
Well looks like the options are narrowing down to reflashing the phone.... I'll give it a couple of days more to see if someone can give Us a hint on what to do.
hguiraud said:
Well looks like the options are narrowing down to reflashing the phone.... I'll give it a couple of days more to see if someone can give Us a hint on what to do.
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I´m not sure about reflashing, actually I have two 8525 I paid to SIM unlock the 1st one so I still have the original ROM 1.34.505.1 and the symptoms are the same, I don´t know what ROM would be suitable to "solve" the problem in case this would be causing the partial lock.
New Finding
I´ve been trying a lot of things and I guess I´m close to the root cause. I strated from scratch with a hard reset and giving a soft reset before the 3 sec secreen of auto configuration, then I tried to set a connection in my ISP, I named it "The Internet" and when I hit the OK button I got a message saying that there was an existing connection setting under the same name!!! I couldn´t find such connection, so I´m pretty sure that the connection is hidden somewhere in the ROM and we need to disable it and create a new one or modify the reg to address a different connection consistent with our own network.... Any thoughts on this?
luiggi said:
I´ve been trying a lot of things and I guess I´m close to the root cause. I strated from scratch with a hard reset and giving a soft reset before the 3 sec secreen of auto configuration, then I tried to set a connection in my ISP, I named it "The Internet" and when I hit the OK button I got a message saying that there was an existing connection setting under the same name!!! I couldn´t find such connection, so I´m pretty sure that the connection is hidden somewhere in the ROM and we need to disable it and create a new one or modify the reg to address a different connection consistent with our own network.... Any thoughts on this?
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I do have exactly the same problem: an MMS connection is missing but stored somewhere... Anyway to figure out where it is? To me, it's just a flag to change in order for it to re-appear in the \connection\connections tab...
MMS in Cingular
Jeff_mm said:
I do have exactly the same problem: an MMS connection is missing but stored somewhere... Anyway to figure out where it is? To me, it's just a flag to change in order for it to re-appear in the \connection\connections tab...
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I mapped that one in Cingular, the MMS settings are self extracted from the extended ROM, if you want to get rid of it just do a hard reset and then a soft reset when the 3 sec message shows up, hope this can help you
Please tell us how you did it....
jcb_home said:
I used Tweak2K2 to set it in mine. Sorry I do not know the Reg setting.
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Yesterday I took a look the the various reg entries and there are some which set default addresses, did you change those addresses? How did you do with Tweak2k2?
8525 on SALE
hguiraud said:
Hi,
my GPRS connection is working, it connects without any problem but when i try to navigate with PIE then I can see the message "Opening" on the left lower corner but it just stays that way for a long time and the page never gets displayed. My e-mail works fine so that means i have GPRS connection and working. If i try navigating to a WAP site some pages get displayed and some other don't. If i connect via WiFi or via activesync then i can navigate without any problems. Based on my observations I suspect a problem with the MRU (Maximum receive Unit) of the TCPiP stack but i can not find on the registry where to change that.
Hope someone can help.
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I went thru all regs and I couldn´t find MRU or LCP (Link Control Protocol) settings, what disturbes me more is that I put my SIM in my 8125 and everything (IE. messenger, Gmail, Hotmail, etc.) works wonderful!! I think I´ll put on sale my 8525.......
More findings
I do have GPRS connection, no doubt about it. I install Tonaya Iper in my phone and the software gives the ability to trace the route from my phone to the destination, for instance The route to www.gmail.com (216.239.63.19)
is as follows (I set the time [email protected]):
1.- 10.15.14.78
2.- 10.2.4.20
3.- 10.2.4.134
4.- 200.36.174.81
5.- 200.39.31.42 (mx-mesr-rt1.telefonica-data.com.mx)
6.- 213.140.50.233 (So-2-3-1-grtmtyma2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net
7.- Request timed out
8.- 213.140.43.25
9.- 213.140.43.225
10.- 213.140.36.45
11.- 213.140.37.57
12.- 64.233.123
13.- 66.249.94.8
14.- 72.14.233.123
15.- 71.14.233.123
16.- 216.239.63.19 (bp-in-f19.google.com)
When I try to trace the communication with a 1 second timeout the phone stalls for a while in server 213.140.50.233 and makes the traceability extremely slow.
My conclusión is that when the communication reach the server 213.140.50.233 this cause a delay and my phone can not continue to the final destination probably because the pre set delay in the application exceeds its timout parameter.
Any suggestions?
Not a "Maybe" MOVISTAR is guilty for poor GPRS connections!!
hguiraud said:
Interesting, so happens that my service provider is also Movistar; maybe they have done something different to their network settings. Any way, I was in the US recently and was able to use GPRS roaming although because the TyTN does not differentiates between GPRS and EDGE it could have been that it was using EDGE and that it why i could navigate using PIE.
The funny thing about this problem is that my e-mail works fine and my SPB whether also updates without problems, it is only the navigation with PIE that i have issues with. Based on my observations it seems to be that if the tcp packet is larger that a certain size it gets dropped by the tcp stack.
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Today I use a SIM from the other mexican cell company (telcel), I just enter APN, user name and password and in a blink my 8525 flew thru PIE, hotmail, MS messenger, Gmail and everything!!! Conclusion:Movistar system or set ups are causing all the connection problems, I´ve spent hours in the phone with their wonderful engineers and none of them has been able to explain why Movistar can´t give a decent service to 8525 users.
Using the Traceroute feature of IPer I notice a very long delay to ping the Movistar router located in Madrid (213.140.50.233), there´s where I think the problem is.
You are right Luiggi...!
One of the guys here at the office also has a Dopod 838pro (I'm ussing a HTC TyTN) but with Telcel instead of Movistar...the push e-mail capabilities and the internet surf are really very good ...but with the GPRS of Movistar I recive my e-mails very delayed in the phone and also still unable to sing in to MSN messenger.
Thanks to your post now I know the trut; I was really thinking that maybe the TyTN was the problem (I mean, the HTC branded because the Dopod was functioning just very fine) I was even thinking in return it...
regards
Hummm I suspected that....
Well I think we have (a winner) an answer (partially), I will go back to Movistar and complain, I may not get any results from it but I really have no options since because of my work I travel a lot and the roaming pricing I get with them is way better that the other alternative. The funny thing about this issue is that other HTC phones do not have it. A co worker has a Wizard and he can navigate with PIE. Maybe it would be interesting to investigate what could be the difference or why other phones can navigate and Tytn can't.
Wizard works great!
hguiraud said:
Well I think we have (a winner) an answer (partially), I will go back to Movistar and complain, I may not get any results from it but I really have no options since because of my work I travel a lot and the roaming pricing I get with them is way better that the other alternative. The funny thing about this issue is that other HTC phones do not have it. A co worker has a Wizard and he can navigate with PIE. Maybe it would be interesting to investigate what could be the difference or why other phones can navigate and Tytn can't.
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I do my living buying and selling phones and I guess next time (tomorrow) I get a Wizard for sale I´ll spend enough time going thru the registry and routes to compare it with the Hermes. Would you guys mind to run IPer and check if the afore mentioned router or server with the problem is common for all of us?
I already wrote a not very nice letter to Movistar, probably they are shocked because normally their tournaround time for an answer is less than 24hrs and this time is taking longer. Next letter I´m going to be addressing the Director or whoever is the top dog.
How do I get/ run the aplication mentioned???
I would like to help to figure out what the problem is or help you guys to get to a solution...so, where can I find and how do I use the software luiggi is mentioning??
Is it free or with a trial version???
regards