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Share tips about freeing magician main memory

Lets share tips for freeing magician's main memory instead of replacing with 128...

Whats Ur tip ?

Here's mine:-
1. Learn how to use the built in applications to their max before adding 3rd party software.
2. Don't load anything into Main Memory that you can avoid. Use Storage and Storage Card instead.
3. Eye Candy = Memory Bloat. A recent Unit Conversion programme I tried needed 1.8MB FFS. A freeware equivalent which is just as functional but without the candy takes just 39K. Learn to live without it.
4. If you haven't used an app in the past month, delete it.
5. Delete programs that you only use to show others how cool your Jam is.
6. After a couple of months with the Jam, make a list of all software installed. Award points for the number of times you've used each app, and how inconvenienced you would have been if it wasn't there. Backup and Hard Reset. Install only those apps which got high use and inconvenience scores. This also gets rids of all the DLL junk that trial programs put in \Windows.

Do a full backup before first!
1. Use WinCE Cab manager to modify the installation path of CAB file before installation of the program. U could remove unnecessory file inside the cab too. (Some exe installation actually put the cab in yr desktop's C:\Program files or C:\program fies\MS Activesync, modify it w/ WinCE Cab manager before actually install the program to yr pda)
2. Use Memmaid (need $) or SystemPath (freeware) to move some DLLs to storage or SD card.
The following better do it w/ Resco File Explorer w/ "hide files in rom" so U know better what U can delete:
3. Some software (Resco file explorer, Pocket plus) leaves some "help wizard" graphic files in Windows directry after installation. Use yr photo album to screen and remove them
4. Many html help files in Windows and Windows\help can be remove safely if U never look at them before. (I wonder anyone ever look at them)
5. Remove unnecessory or unuse templates and file in MyDocuments
Even though I got a lot of software installed (including the MS Voice Command installed in Storage) . I still get 35mb of main memory left.

I cancel the extended Rom install then just install what I wanted. the patches and configuration Cab I installed. But I did not install fax software Caller ID etc which I never use. wow now I have a lot of main memory

I cancel the extended Rom install then just install what I wanted. the patches and configuration Cab I installed. But I did not install fax software Caller ID etc which I never use. wow now I have a lot of main memory

Anonymous said:
I cancel the extended Rom install then just install what I wanted. the patches and configuration Cab I installed. But I did not install fax software Caller ID etc which I never use. wow now I have a lot of main memory
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How can you choose which apps to be installed? I don't want thw fax and intellipad...

Do a hardreset ( Softreset and on key ) .. and when U have set up the PPC .. and it says tap on screen .... U just do a PIN reset ( soft reset ) so it dont install the Extrom software.. after the softreset .. its a clean 2003 SE ..
U then use fileExplorer to install whats in the now visible External rom.
I didnt install any intelli stuff on my s100 and gained almost 2mb just on that. ..
Carlis

Carlis said:
Do a hardreset ( Softreset and on key ) .. and when U have set up the PPC .. and it says tap on screen .... U just do a PIN reset ( soft reset ) so it dont install the Extrom software.. after the softreset .. its a clean 2003 SE ..
U then use fileExplorer to install whats in the now visible External rom.
I didnt install any intelli stuff on my s100 and gained almost 2mb just on that. ..
Carlis
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Can I extract the Caller ID and install it separately...cause I use it, but I do not use other apps in my rom?...
Regards,
Primoz
p.s. If is some other apps like Caller ID I could use instead of CID?...pls suggest...

yes you can. it is in another thread here in this forum.
after hard reset and first time setup (set location, calibrate screeen) you will be prompted that setup is complete tap screen to continue. after you tap the screen perform a soft reset this will stop the auto install and you can choose what you want to put on your device by looking at EXT ROM folder. I've just finished hard resetting and have opted not to install JAVA midlet manager, Caller ID, and Fax. saves a lot of mem i think.
the only thing i installed on main memory is resco explorer, omegaone batt pack pro, sbsh pocketbreeze and pocketweather (3 out of 4 are today plug-ins and I wanted them to load faster) I have my tones in 'Storage' instead of \Windows\Rings\

Find this freeware and install it: clearnotify_install
It removes a lot the crap that end up in memory in a soft reset. It added like 8MB of free main memory back for me.
Ineedtoys said:
A recent Unit Conversion programme I tried needed 1.8MB FFS. A freeware equivalent which is just as functional but without the candy takes just 39K.
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Which one?

skagen said:
Find this freeware and install it: clearnotify_install
It removes a lot the crap that end up in memory in a soft reset. It added like 8MB of free main memory back for me.
Ineedtoys said:
A recent Unit Conversion programme I tried needed 1.8MB FFS. A freeware equivalent which is just as functional but without the candy takes just 39K.
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Which one?
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U can use a very usefull calc program...1-calc (not free :roll: )...you can install it on the SD card!
Regards,
Primoz
p.s. bnycastro thx for the tip!

I transfer dll files from tha windows/appmgr folder and put them in the system folder in the storage card. Then change the values in the registry with resco. Works great.

mannyman2 said:
I transfer dll files from tha windows/appmgr folder and put them in the system folder in the storage card. Then change the values in the registry with resco. Works great.
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Can U give me more instructions how to do that...pls :wink:
Do U have some problems....like apps not responding or sth else?...cause if U read in some other threads if U change the default ring dirctory to the SD card after a while it put back the default ring tone...from windows directory. Looks like the SD card when not used is put in like "sleep mode"... :roll:
Regards,
Primoz

i'm with primoz on this! how do you know which dll are safe to move? and how do you modify the apps to look at which dll???
also would like to streamline my JAM (did a hard reset this am and did not install EXT ROM stuff except MMS client and the patches) am using 8.82MB of RAM for storage.
I have bought tweaks2k2 and did the scan/move of dlls it only moved 1 dll. it said i could do it manually but am afraid.
Apps in Main Memory:
OmegaOne BattPack Pro
SBSH PocketBreeze (I know it is a bit big but it is a today plugin so I want it loading fast)
SBSH PocketWeather (Used to have this in SD but it was very slow, again this is a today plugin)
Resco Explorer (of course I wanted this in main so I can browse other cards)
JAM camera patch
Scarybear Check Notifications
SanDisk Wi-Fi SD Card Drivers
Pocket Bluetooth Tools
Greensoftware GS Battery Monitor
Apps in SD:
Astraware Bejeweled
Astraware Insaniquarim
Astraware TextTwist
Astraware Zuma
HnH Eng Chi Dict
MOBEM Mconvert
Illium Soft eWallet
Agile Mobile Messenger
Aidem Majong Academy
Sprite PocketBackup
Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX

bnycastro I have done a hard reset as said in this forum. Before I`ve got about 13megs of used ram for appz installed in main memory. After a hard reset I have about 8megs of used ram and I`m happy . Some appz have installed in to storage, other (larger) on the SD card. From the ext_rom I just installed the MMS and caller ID....and some patches (don`t know why they are needed). I would like to upgrade memory to 128mb...but is too expensyve...and the only company that performs this is too far away (France I think)...
Regards,
Primoz

bnycastro said:
i'm with primoz on this! how do you know which dll are safe to move? and how do you modify the apps to look at which dll???
also would like to streamline my JAM (did a hard reset this am and did not install EXT ROM stuff except MMS client and the patches) am using 8.82MB of RAM for storage.
I have bought tweaks2k2 and did the scan/move of dlls it only moved 1 dll. it said i could do it manually but am afraid.
Apps in Main Memory:
OmegaOne BattPack Pro
SBSH PocketBreeze (I know it is a bit big but it is a today plugin so I want it loading fast)
SBSH PocketWeather (Used to have this in SD but it was very slow, again this is a today plugin)
Resco Explorer (of course I wanted this in main so I can browse other cards)
JAM camera patch
Scarybear Check Notifications
SanDisk Wi-Fi SD Card Drivers
Pocket Bluetooth Tools
Greensoftware GS Battery Monitor
Apps in SD:
Astraware Bejeweled
Astraware Insaniquarim
Astraware TextTwist
Astraware Zuma
HnH Eng Chi Dict
MOBEM Mconvert
Illium Soft eWallet
Agile Mobile Messenger
Aidem Majong Academy
Sprite PocketBackupMacromedia Flash Player ActiveX
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Why Sprite at all if space is a consideration? Doesn't the Xbackup that comes with the Jam work for you? Ir does Sprite do anythign different?

primoz: we are on the same boat as they say. i also have done hard reset and now only installed patches and caller id (no dialer and other stuff). The 128mb ram upgrade is also avialable in the US but I am in the Philippines the shipping alone would be expensive!!!
skagen: spritepocket backup is the best backup utility out there imo. it has scheduled backups (i.e. my pocketpc is scheduled to backup every 3am) battery monitoring (i.e. my pocketpc will run a backup when my battery hits 25%--this is user defined), you can make self-restoring backups (just tap and it will restore even without the app installed) it is very powerful (you can choose what to backup/restore) and worth the $$. this app has saved me from alot of heartache and headache a couple of times already you should try it out xBackup is poo compared to this app.

bnycastro said:
[/b]OmegaOne BattPack Pro
SBSH PocketBreeze (I know it is a bit big but it is a today plugin so I want it loading fast)
SBSH PocketWeather (Used to have this in SD but it was very slow, again this is a today plugin)
Resco Explorer (of course I wanted this in main so I can browse other cards)
JAM camera patch
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All of the above can be put into the 7.6mb storage, including the various crap that Resco spews all over the Windows dir Use whereismyram to find which files in \Windows are in RAM, use systempath to create a dir in \Storage, and move pretty much everything. I've got tons of apps installed on mine, but only 1.5mb of stuff in RAM - everything else is in \Storage or the SD card.

Primez...
Anytime I install a new software I always choose to install into my 1GB SD Edge card. You can use Cab Manager if you want a more detailed result of what files go where, but I just search the registry with Resco Registry and change the paths to point to the storage card. dll files I purposely put in system folder. I've had a couple of problems with very minimal software such as batter back pro. But overall I have 85% of my software in Storage Card. Let's make this thread better, so that we can avoid upgrading to 128mb's. I have like 30 programs already and have 35 mb's of main memory left.
Look in Windows\AppMgr and copy a dll file into the system folder in the storage card, do not cut it. You can do same with Windows directory. Then change the value in the registry in every instance that you find it. Then soft reset the device to make sure you get no errors. Start the program and see if it works. If it does, delete the original dll file and do a soft reset. Try the program again. If it works you're good to go, if it doesn't then you found a toughy and move on. Remember to do full backups, if you do then you should not be scared to do anything for you can always restore.
Manster

Please share your experience about using the Storage

I use the Storage to store some DLLs to save space. It works, not for all programs though.
Have tried installing programs to storage before (Journal Bar and Avantgo) but system seemed to be unstable afterwards.
Wonder if anyone has any good experience of storing and running other programs from Storage.
Also, has anyone tried installing the cab files from extended rom to Storage??? Is that possible at all???

RE
Yes, you can use Storage to store your cab files for the EXTROM.
BTW, program cab files for Storage and EXTROM are those that don't upgrade frequently otherwise you'll have to hard reset frequently too

Using Storage or Storage Cards should be avoided for anything on the today screen or anything which is bound to a hardware button. This is because the SD drivers take a little time to initialise when the device powers up and can result in files not being found - which can lead to small or big problems, depending on the nature of the 'missing' file.
This is why Pocket Plus cannot be installed in Storage any more and why Pocket Informant recommends installation into main memory. This is documented both by Spb Software House and WebIS.
I was beta testing SpbWeather and had some of the skins installed to Storage - whenever I used those skins, the plug-in was icon-less on power up, but main memory skins were fine.

As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.

Mvmajorem said:
As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.
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Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?

I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.

bnycastro said:
I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.
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As I know U have to hack the registry files of single appz to point in to storage folder instead in the main memory... :roll:
Regards,
Primoz

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Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?
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It's 10% of the device's memory, that's not insignificant and certainly not worth wasting. I store 13.2Mb of utilities and etc. in Storage so that it frees up the same amount of Main Memory but permits me to use them when swapping cards. I think it's a waste not to use it.

Into my Storage i have install :
Resco keyboard pro
Laplink controller
Handymenu
Hottbutton plus
Phone today
Today phone pro
VIto voice dialer
Used space for all this 3.21 mb
Free space 4.31 mb
I Don't have any problem at all, my JAM works smoothly & stable plus the today plugins run faster than ever...
Try with no doubt ...

WHY IS MY EXEC SO DAMN SLOW??? PLZ HELP!ITS ANNOYING THE HEL

OK HERES THE THING I FLASHED TO LATEST ROM WITH A2DP AND AKU AND EVERYTHING THE QTEK VERSION AND ITS WORKING PRETTY FAST , AND THEN I INSTALL SPB POCKET PLUS AND SPD WEATHER , NOW EVERYTIME I TURN ON THE PHONE OR FLIP THE SCREEN, THERES A 5-10SEC DELAY ON THE TOUCHSCREEN/BUTTONS
WHY IS THIS?
AND SHOULD I GET RID OF SPB
AND HAVE ANY OF YOU HAD THE SIMILAR PROBLEM
PLZ LMK

got a similar problem (although after installing Pocket and Contact Breeze), but learned to live with it.... i think its a memory issue and the today programs using too much memory.

First thing to do is to turn off the SD memory card checking in all today plugins - this should get rid of the main part of the delay...

Hi rancorp!
Where did you install these plugins? If you installed them on the SD-card you should
reinstall them to your Execs flash. I've experience similar problems with SBSH Pocket Breeze
and its Plugins which basically do the same SPB does.
Since I moved the installation to the device everythin ran much better.
I suppose this corresponds to Lordsmiffs advice since a PPC inits its hardware on
wakeup and if he has to init the SD and start things from there it takes time.
Have fun!
mikrolinux

universal speed
operation in most areas should be sub 2 seconds.
some good advice above.
1. Remove memory readers of SD card
2. Install all applications that you use on the today screen to device
3. Remove all icons that look at the sd card for their picture
4. Do not put pocket skype icon anywhere visible, it is a known really really slow bug
5. Common ones well known.... Remove antivirus, turn off error checking, remove auto accept beams
6. If you dont use video call methods, use the original simple phone skin (details are available on wiki)
7. Look at your SPB application, and ensure that you are using what you need... I found I the extras of spb slow it down, the basic today plug in is fast
8. Look at anything else in your startup
9. Look at how much data you are synchronising by referring to your .vol file in the root directory of your folder system
I think a bit more information on your device is necessary. It should be fast. What does your system ram run at on a fresh soft reset.

Excuse me for asking... how to turn off the SD memory card checking in today plugins? Thanks.

stanip said:
Excuse me for asking... how to turn off the SD memory card checking in today plugins? Thanks.
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I believe they were referring to 3rd party applications that have SD card memory capacity indicator plug-ins. I don't think any shipped ROM has a SD card indicator plug-in.

Thanks cktlcmd.

Using an SD card instead of ROM

As most of you probably know, the ROM of our PDA devices has a limited number of times it can be written to. This theoretical limit is roughly <1 million times. With Windows Mobile 5.0, the ROM of our devices is not only used to store the OS but also some of the more permanent information so that it doesn't get deleted should the battery run out.
I have read that this limit can be reached if the device is used intensely on a daily basis (http://www.eten-users.net/topic70 ) especially for web browsing.
My question is simple : in order to not use up the ROM capital of my Qtek ROM which to my knowledge can't really be changed, can I tell WM5 to use my SD card instead? Is there a program that allows you to do systematically do this? Is there a way of estimating the miles/kilometers of usage left the ROM?
Thanks
D.D.

I haven't really heard about this but there might be an option to store the browser's cache on SD. This would reduce considerably the amount of data that is written in the inbuilt Flash RAM (not ROM).

I read on a M$ blog that they "spread out" the read/writes to avoid this problem. The WM5 code is written to not keep using the same area of memory so that it does not "wear out" too soon. This way your device memory should last for years.
Found the blog entry - it's here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/06/07/621132.aspx

you can put anything related to the browser onto the SD
no option I'm afraid, you have to edit the registry. Search the forum for the keys.

See the wizard thread for a list of keys to change. I used the Mobile registry editor http://www.breaksoft.com/Blog/Utilities/2005/1/Mobile_Registry_Editor.aspx as it does it via Activesync, nothing to install on either device or PC.
There is also a util which will change the path to the SD card for you. I did it manually as I wanted to select the path on my SD card, all done and working lovely.

Strange Issue - Device does not show "free space left" when installing apps. - help?

Strange Issue - Device does not show "free space left" when installing apps. - help?
Bit of a strange one this, but can anyone shed any light.
With my other WM5 devices, a Vario, and a MDA Pro (Wizard and Universal), whenever I install applications to the device via the .cab file, I am asked where I want to install to, Device or Storage Card, and it shows the amount of memory required for this install, and the free storage remaining for that location, which obviously changes as you press the relevant radio button for Device or Storage Card.
However, as best I recall since day one of owning it, on my T Mobile Vario 2, whenever I install applications, it never shows me the free memory remaining bit, so I simply have to make a guess as to where to store it.
Is this a known bug for the Hermes with the standard T-Mobile ROM... or can other normal T- Mobile ROM users state that this behaviour does NOT occur for them, adn that it DOES show all the necessary information whilst installing...?
Thanks in advance.

Ok, let me put it another way...
Can ANYONE tell me if on their Hermes based device, they DO get an indication how much free space is remaining, when they install an application...?
If so, what ROM/Operator...
Almost this entire forum has a Hermes, if you are reading this, likely...
If so, can you do me a quick favour and try this by going through the motions of installing an application, and see.
You don't even need to install the application (any application cab file will do to test this). Simply CANCEL the install, once you ascertain whether it does or doesn't show you how much free space you have, whilst it tells you how much room it will need.
Come on, help me out here - you all have Hermes' - is this just me with this issue...?

Well, just for you I re-syncd my pda and no, it doesn't tell me on my Vario II how much space I have left, only how much space the app will take up.
I don't think it ever has told me.
Hope that helps

On mine it shows spaced required and space available.
I think my sig shows what else I have.

Thanks both...
It sounds to me like it's a ROM issue then... Marissa, is yours T-Mobile or what?
Curious that the AKU 3.3 and thus possibly cooked rom (or the beta one that got released semi-officially), DOES work properly in showing the space required AND space remaining...
That's what makes me think it's a ROM issue...
So can anyone else contribute...?

marisa4755 said:
Well, just for you I re-syncd my pda and no, it doesn't tell me on my Vario II how much space I have left, only how much space the app will take up.
I don't think it ever has told me.
Hope that helps
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Er Marisa, having re-read your message, I'm now a bit confused...
Not sure what you mean by "having re-synced my pda"...
Can I clarify, this has nothing to doing with a sync...
I merely mean that if you go to install software on your PDA, usually by way of clicking on a cab file using File Explorer on the device, the device will then sometimes prompt you with a warning, do you wish to install untrusted source etc etc.
If you say yes, the next thing that will happen, is that you will be asked by the pda, where you want to install, if you have a storage card inserted, and have a radio button choice of Device, or Storage Card.
And as you tick one or the other, the text below this will tell you how much space is REQUIRED, and the killer>>> on all previous devices, also how much is REMAINING on whichever storage type you tick - device or card.
But on my Vario 2, it DOESN'T show any info at all about how much is left remaining...
On a vario 1, and a universal, and all my previous windows smartphones, it DID tell you this.
So were you meaning something else, as this is what I was referring to. Or did you just mean you installed an application initially via a PC .exe file, with your device connected, so it then triggered a normal install as above, on the pda...
Just not clear where the bit about PC sync came in.
This has got me a little frustrated, as all I am doing now is banging everything on card, as I now have no indication of how much free memory is on my device, while I install.
(I can go in to check via System Tools from time to time, but this is not the solution...)
Cheers all.
S.

Hi I always install software if possible through an exe file through activesync, most people do.
It does just the same thing, and you get the same messages when you install, and on my install message, it asks on the pda where I want to install the app, main memory or storage card, and how large the app is. But nothing about how much space is left.
It's a T-mobile with the original rom, radio etc etc.
Hope this helps.

I Found That It Doesn't Show How Much Room You've Got Out Of The Box, But When I Unlock My ExtRom Or I Must Enable Some Other Tweak Using HTweakC, Then The Amount Of Free Space Gets Shown.
Cheers

When I install cabs directly from the phone (not activesync), it always shows the required space / remaining space for each medium. I haven't done any ExtROM or CID unlocking, just SIM. Sounds like a rom thing...see sig for details.

marisa4755 said:
Hi I always install software if possible through an exe file through activesync, most people do.
It does just the same thing, and you get the same messages when you install, and on my install message, it asks on the pda where I want to install the app, main memory or storage card, and how large the app is. But nothing about how much space is left.
It's a T-mobile with the original rom, radio etc etc.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Marisa - yes that's great thanks, as what you describe is just another way to trigger the installation - using activesync etc - it just copies the cab across and triggers the install itself, as I do manually.
So you have confirmed that T-Mobile ROM has this problem. Cheers.

mousey_ said:
I Found That It Doesn't Show How Much Room You've Got Out Of The Box, But When I Unlock My ExtRom Or I Must Enable Some Other Tweak Using HTweakC, Then The Amount Of Free Space Gets Shown.
Cheers
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Cheers mate - so it sounds like the base Orange ROM also has this issue too.
Unless you do some magic -jiggery pokery...
Don't suppose you can have a better think what it was you did to fix it...?
But cheers - another confirmed issue.

Toleraen said:
When I install cabs directly from the phone (not activesync), it always shows the required space / remaining space for each medium. I haven't done any ExtROM or CID unlocking, just SIM. Sounds like a rom thing...see sig for details.
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Again, another Cingular user with an updated ROM, that is NOT having this issue.
So it's more and more sounding like an early ROM issue...
Cheers mate.