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Is there any difference between the "Searching ..." and the "No Signal [!]" ?
When on the train in tunnels the device rightly goes to "Searching ..." while you'd expect there to be no signal, then when I hear other people on their phone, mine's displaying [!] with "No Signal" Why? Is there anything that I can do to make the device connect faster?
I've set the device from Auto to GSM in the Settings > Phone > Band, which has helped a bit...
Is there anything else?
Regards.
Theoretically, there is a slight difference since "Searching" means that the PPC is actively searching for a signal and "No signal" simply means that the PPC is traveling through an area where there is no tower for it to connect to. It depends on how well your provider has covered that problematic area. As far as I know, there is no direct way to influence the search speed for a network. This is possible on handsets from Motorola for example.
Don't think there is any way of getting better reception unless you get yourself an external antenna. The signal strength depends on a few matters. First it is the service provider (e.g the phone company). The guy with the phone ringing might have a provider whom coincidently has a signal tower much nearer to the tunnel compare to yours.
2nd, there is a matter of phone. Each phone receptions are different. Not just PPC based. Some said that the Sony's older model has very bad reception and some said Nokia / Motorolla has very good receptions. It depends on model and company I guess. There isn't really much you can do about it.
I think a lot of it has to do with your device trying to save power.
I work in an office where I have no reception, so basically all day my phone says "no service" however there is full reception right outside my building.
When i leave the building, i dont automatically get reception and sometimes it can take 5 or so minutes to get it.
I think the phone must go into some sort of battery save mode whereby after a certain time of having no reception, it increases the time between checks for reception.
This i find is very very annoying and most times i have to turn flight mode on and off.
This problem was even worse when I had the xda II.
Do any of you find you have this problem too?
Hello.
I have recently bought for second time a Qtek 9100 and i have noticed that it has a really poor reception, regarding wifi signal.
More specifically, if i move to next room( few meters away) i loose half strength of signal, and if i move another room (less than 10 meters from my pc) i barely have signal (around 20%)!!!
With a Qtek 9000 i had before, in the same room i had around 90% wifi signal and with my laptop the same!
I have to notice that i selected "best performance" in wifi settings( but the strange thing is whether i have it in best performance or best battery life i can't see any difference).
Is this a hardware failure? If so, i should move quickly to get an exchange device before the replacement period ends.
Thanks in advance for your help!
same problem, tried the wifi g hack, no results. I suggest you try that [wifi g hack] any help from anyone else would be good though
Yes, i have tried that, but no luck.
No change with that!
Is the poor signal normal? Any other 9100/Kjam user to share his feedback?
Please tell your experience as to know if my device is defective, in order to move quickly tomorrow to exchange it.
Thanks!
well i dont know, i get normal signal at home or on anyother open home wifi network, but at school which has wpa-tsk settings, i can only access the wifi when im across the hall. they have another router in the other building, but i can be 5ft away from it and get nothing
Hmmm, i have problems whenever i try to connect to router, usb wifi key, public access point, anything. Just 10 meters away and signal goes close to nothing. So, i am convinced that it is a defective unit.
If anyone else can tell us their experience...
Ok,thank you for your help!
Ur lucky you can connect at all.
I can't even connect to my home wifi set up!
Well I can if I plug the Wizard into my laptop via USB!
Have you guys tried running this CAB? I think it does more than change one registry setting. I have a QTEK 9100 and it worked well for me. No issues with distance or performance (at least not yet). Using a Belkin Pre-N router. Make sure to soft reset after running the CAB on the device. Hope it works for you.
Did nothing for me,
Still can't connect to my home WiFi
yea i have this installed now for about 2 weeks.no additional results
Yes, i have installed it too, no luck with it...
Hmmm, things get complicated.
I tested an 9100 and a Qtek S200 in a shop (demo phones) and i have seen that their wifi is close to my 9100 as far as it concerns the signal.
So, if this is the normal, this sucks!!!
Since 3 days that i have started investigating the case, i have compared my 9100 with a Dell Axim X51v, a Palm Lifedrive and a Qtek 9000, all in the same place.
The results:
Palm lifedrive: 90% signal
Qtek 9000: 80% signal
Dell Axim 51v: 50% signal
Qtek 9100(mine): 25% signal
What the heck!!!
I start to believe that 9100/S200 have a very bad wifi module, regarding it's signal ability!
Any other feedback?
Noone uses his wifi?
Thanks!
I can only tell you that I have the same. the WIFI modukes are not the best you can get.
I can use it but it looses the signal quite often by just moving the phone. :?
Yes, i believe that all new Qtek's-after the tests i've done- have bad wifi modules( except maybe for Qtek 9000, all the others are crap)!
Is it normal that about 15-20m from my home WLAN access point, TyTN loses the signal. Even within 4m from the WLAN station, the signal bar won't go to the highest level?
Is this normal behaviour?
I have used laptops with internal WLAN cards that can reach the access point from about 50m away without any problems and signal level at good.
same happens to me, my dell laptop works just fine but my tytn looses signal 8-10 meters from wifi spot...
Change the power save mode to best performance, to see if it helps:
start - settings - connections - wireless lan - power mode
Although it doesn't sound like the case, it is possible for the radio receiver to be overloaded if the signal is too strong as would be the case with it right next to the AP.
Bit like trying to listen to music standing next to a speaker chucking out 10kW
David.
Yup, have tried that power save/performance thingie. Wasn't much difference wether the powersave or performance was at it's highest setting.
Hi, Which is your serial number...starts with HT6??? ?
Bye.
Yeah i can agree my wifi signal is poor on my MDA Vario II, worse than my Vario, and far below my laptop,
it sucks as i live just near a star bucks and have a 1 year t-ob hotspot subscription.
not sure if its the same problem but my vario2 constantly drops its wifi connection and starts searching for others regardless of signal strength. When i called T-mobile they confirmed it ws a hardware fault and are sending me a new replacement.
Wiper said:
Is it normal that about 15-20m from my home WLAN access point, TyTN loses the signal. Even within 4m from the WLAN station, the signal bar won't go to the highest level?
Is this normal behaviour?
I have used laptops with internal WLAN cards that can reach the access point from about 50m away without any problems and signal level at good.
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poor WLAN reception was quite an issue in HTC Wizard and unfortunately problem remains with HTC Hermes/TyTN as well. big shame imho, however since i have web'n'walk deal, i don't use WLAN in my Vario II at all.
ferrari said:
Hi, Which is your serial number...starts with HT6??? ?
Bye.
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The s/n is HT628F...
I have the same problem described above. Very weak signals and constantly dropping connection / looking for other signals. I have an M3100. Is it a ROM or hardware fault?
Same problem here.
2 laptops work fine, as did my HTC Prophet (Orange M600).
I returned the M600 and went for the M3100 instead. Little did I know the M3100 would have problems picking up the wifi signal from my router where the M600 had NO problems at all.
I've been considering replacing the wirless router for one with a bigger range, or installing a signal booster of some sort.
I thought maybe I have a duff phone, but looks like it's the norm.
So far at least my replacement Vario2 isnt displaying the previous wi-fi sigal dropping problem so maybe the problem was ironed out on the newer models - my old serial number was HTC623 and the replacement is HTC624
same here - very weak wifi on serial - HT634xxx
Yes i need to also confirm that my unit is suffering from very weak wifi signal.
Right now im siting by my 838 Pro and my notebook, my notebook has "full signal (5 bars)" but my 838 pro has "very weak signal (1 bar)"
my unit has serial number of HT634xxxxxx
bought in bangkok 4 days ago.
Thanks for any inputs
Cheers
NR
Just got my phone this week, serial number is HT635, WiFi performance is crap.
I've only managed to have it work once so far for about 20 minutes, even if I stand next to my router.
Doesn't work at work either.
magicalex said:
not sure if its the same problem but my vario2 constantly drops its wifi connection and starts searching for others regardless of signal strength. When i called T-mobile they confirmed it ws a hardware fault and are sending me a new replacement.
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Are your sure they said it was a hardware failure??
I have the same problem. Sitting about 5 ft. from my wireless router the Tytn drops the connection, displays 2 wireless icons in the topbar and wants to connect the the wireless router of somebody else. I have to delete the wireless settings and re-enter them in order to get WiFi working again. The signal is also very weak and after 10 meters the connection is gone. HT633.
Pardon my ignorance, never tried wi-fi, but anyway... Couldn't be a reason that AFAIK 'g' mode is turned off by default? I thought I saw it in the one of the tweaking utinily...
What ??? The Wi-Fi in TyTn is that very bad ???
I hate to say that I just ordered that phone with T-Mobile NL ! And I ditched my Magician. The reason was that I want that Wi-Fi !!
Poor me
Lurker0 said:
Pardon my ignorance, never tried wi-fi, but anyway... Couldn't be a reason that AFAIK 'g' mode is turned off by default? I thought I saw it in the one of the tweaking utinily...
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I think your point is accurate there Lurker. I've done some hunting around to find a Registry hack to enable Wifi G which I found here.
I'm happy to report that it actually made quite a difference. Previously the signal would cut out constantly in my living room and was generally useless. After applying the Wifi G hack, I get a medium to low signal in my living room, which is stable. I've tested the bandwidth and it is exactly the same as my PC gets. The Vario II Wifi reception still isn't exactly great, but it works in the rooms I need it to, so that's good enough for me.
Here is the hack (amended for Vario II):
1) Locate the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\COMM\TIACXWLN1\PARMS
2) Add new DWORD Value:
name: dot11SupportedRateMaskG
D value: 8
guys, this hack is for the Wizard only and does nothing on the Hermes... the Hermes comes with 802.11g wifi enabled by default.
Hi! I would like to ask for some assistance, I recently bought a slightly used O2 XDA II mini, when I try to use my Smart or Sun cellular SIM card it fluctuates, maximum bar in the antenna logo is only 2.
Usually after 3-5 minutes even if you are on a good signal location, on its own, it losses its mobile signal. I tried doing a hard reset already. I used Auto-Config and checked Smart to configure.
Do you think its hardware problem?
Thank you in advance
The Smart autoconfigure function is only to automatically apply the operator's settings for SMS, MMS, Wap, etc. and has nothing to do with the signal strength. Every time I'm in Manila for business, I notice that signal strength is not that good. I get around 2-3 bars on either the S100 or Nokia phones. In your signature you mention something quite interesting. It could be that the device has a hardware problem (most probably it has been droped, that's the reason why the owner sold it) or the technician is just fooling you (people would try anything to earn a buck). I never buy a used electronic device and/or car unless its from someone I know or has been recommended by a friend to avoid such problems.
I recently moved into a new ‘cell phone death trap’ apartment (apt).
I’ve seen my phone connect, I’m guessing; connect to four different cell towers from my apt. I’ve sat and watched it go from 2 bar E, disconnect, to 1 bar G, disconnect, to no bars 3G, disconnect, and so on….
But here’s the clincher…
Sometimes it will also connect to a full strength edge network, but it indicates it’s roaming by the Triangle icon. Now if I’m on that ‘Triangle” network, my phone works great, meaning I actually can make and receive calls!
But, I’m guessing again, because it shows it is roaming; it also does not like to stay connected to this network. Actually it prefers to switch itself back onto a weak edge network without any signal.
My phone battery doesn’t last more than five hours, NOT TALKING, just in standby because it is constantly switching towers.
At this point I want to throw my Hermes out a window! But I know that wont do any good, because anyone else who come to my apt and has AT&T/Cingular gets the same results.
So here’s my question:
“Can I force my phone to stay on a particular cell tower?”
If so, I love you….
you should re-post over in this thread Daniel's software might be able to solve your problem (or Daniel might have other ideas).
thank you for the suggestion. i tried that and he said, "Sorry nop. It isnt the pourpose of cmp or bs...."
I don't think you can force to a specific tower but you can force to a particular provider:
START/SETTINGS/PHONE/NETWORK/MANUAL
and also select whether you want to force GSM/WCDMA and the GSM/UNTS band:
START/SETTINGS/PHONE/BAND
Maybe by going this route you can lock onto a reasonable signal.
2 other alternatives... Sell the appartment... Buy a landline and donate the Hermes to me
taze said:
I recently moved into a new ‘cell phone death trap’ apartment (apt).
I’ve seen my phone connect, I’m guessing; connect to four different cell towers from my apt. I’ve sat and watched it go from 2 bar E, disconnect, to 1 bar G, disconnect, to no bars 3G, disconnect, and so on….
But here’s the clincher…
Sometimes it will also connect to a full strength edge network, but it indicates it’s roaming by the Triangle icon. Now if I’m on that ‘Triangle” network, my phone works great, meaning I actually can make and receive calls!
But, I’m guessing again, because it shows it is roaming; it also does not like to stay connected to this network. Actually it prefers to switch itself back onto a weak edge network without any signal.
My phone battery doesn’t last more than five hours, NOT TALKING, just in standby because it is constantly switching towers.
At this point I want to throw my Hermes out a window! But I know that wont do any good, because anyone else who come to my apt and has AT&T/Cingular gets the same results.
So here’s my question:
“Can I force my phone to stay on a particular cell tower?”
If so, I love you….
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Are you able to change networks?
Are you able to ask your service provider the location of the towers and if they're planning either any upgrades or any more in the area?
If not you may wish to consider the first point, changing service providers.
I know what a pain it can be to have little or no service when needed. Personally, here in the UK, I'm on Orange. Where I lived in Wales it was either Orange or Vodafone that has a decent signal. When I'm out and about with work those are the two popular towers with o2 creeping up and some others too, but for the most part those are the strongest.
I don't, I'm sorry, have any better advice for you. Apart from leave your Hermes on charge when you're home near a window (safely) and carry a bluetooth earpeice around instead Good Luck with your Valiant Quest
ach2 said:
I don't think you can force to a specific tower but you can force to a particular provider:
START/SETTINGS/PHONE/NETWORK/MANUAL
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i went to that tab and all i have is a Find Network button, which does nothing...no manual option
ach2 said:
and also select whether you want to force GSM/WCDMA and the GSM/UNTS band:
START/SETTINGS/PHONE/BAND
Maybe by going this route you can lock onto a reasonable signal.
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I've tried this method as well and it does not help. apparently both the good and the band networks all fall under GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100). The other two band options never find a network.
ach2 said:
2 other alternatives... Sell the apartment... Buy a landline and donate the Hermes to me
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I'll consider it....thank you for your suggestions, I REALLY APPERCIATE ANYONES (constructive) FEEDBACK.
Elwyn M3100 said:
Are you able to change networks?
Are you able to ask your service provider the location of the towers and if they're planning either any upgrades or any more in the area?
If not you may wish to consider the first point, changing service providers.
I know what a pain it can be to have little or no service when needed. Personally, here in the UK, I'm on Orange. Where I lived in Wales it was either Orange or Vodafone that has a decent signal. When I'm out and about with work those are the two popular towers with o2 creeping up and some others too, but for the most part those are the strongest.
I don't, I'm sorry, have any better advice for you. Apart from leave your Hermes on charge when you're home near a window (safely) and carry a bluetooth earpeice around instead. Good Luck with your Valiant Quest
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Thank you for your suggestions. Unfortuantly im locked in a 2yr contract, thats how ****ty american cell phone companies do things. Plus, the better providers in the area dont use SIM cards (ie. Sprint/Verizon), so that would mean bye bye Hermes.
Ill will go by the Cingular store and ask about the possible service upgrade, but those fools dont really know whats what, thats why im on xda-dev!
I like the bluetooth idea, ill try find a "sweet spot" in the apt and try that method. Thanks again!
"I have dream..."
My idea just seems possible, however i cant program so who am i too.....
The idea of having blocked cell id numbers. If i could FieldTest or somehow extract the cell ids from the towers i dont want, then create a file that the phone checks against before joining a tower.....
I dont know, just a dream i suppose...
In both cases (roaming and not) are you registered in same operator?
If you're having a difficult time maintaining solid cellular reception, you might want to consider buying an external antenna. Refer to my post here regarding an antenna that can be purchased from Radio Shack. The antenna is now on clearance for $20 and the pigtail is $10. This may or may not help depending upon your location in relation to the towers, but if you try it out, let me know how it works.
Cheers
Yeah, I'm on an 18 month contract... But I'm about 8 months in now
You might even be able to get bluetooth repeaters once you find your, ahem, sweet spot
danielherrero said:
In both cases (roaming and not) are you registered in same operator?
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i believe so. the only reason i think it's roaming is because of the Triangle icon. But my SIM is only authorized for one operator, Cingular.
is there a better way to check?
Thank you very much Daniel!
Lancealot said:
If you're having a difficult time maintaining solid cellular reception, you might want to consider buying an external antenna. Refer to my post here regarding an antenna that can be purchased from Radio Shack. The antenna is now on clearance for $20 and the pigtail is $10. This may or may not help depending upon your location in relation to the towers, but if you try it out, let me know how it works.
Cheers
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i would be willing to try those products but i believe they're now fully discontinued. Either of those item numbers from your post no longer exsist.
No problem
taze said:
i would be willing to try those products but i believe they're now fully discontinued. Either of those item numbers from your post no longer exsist.
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Call your closest Radio Shack and ask if they have either of those catalog numbers in stock. Worst case scenario is that they won't, however they can check the districts perpetual stock and see how many are available, and if you ask nicely, they can have the antenna and pigtail shipped to their store so you don't have to run all over creation just to get it.
...An even worst case scenario would be if you didn't live in the US or didn't have any Radio Shacks close by.. however I might know of someone who could use their employee discount to cover shipping costs Let me know if you have any questions.
weinson said:
you should re-post over in this thread Daniel's software might be able to solve your problem (or Daniel might have other ideas).
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Taze,
I would also recommend that you try one of Daniel's applications - he is working on Comm Manager Pro but I think that Bandswitch will probably help you. I find similar problems to those you describe at work here in the UK with T-Mobile and my battery would often run low even during a day at work. The problem appears to have been caused by the Vario II (Hermes) spending all day jumping back and forward between networks whilst hunting for the best signal. Although the Bandswitch application (very small footprint) will not increase the signal you may find that forcing the phone to operate in a particular band helps - this is very easily achieved via the Bandswitch interface rather than going into settings each time. I now regularly switch to GSM each day when I get to work and it has solved my battery run-down issue completely!
Comm Manager Pro does much the same and more. It allows you to define a location (according to Cell ID and LAC Code) from which you can set the CMP application to (amongst other functions) switch to a particular band - or even turn the phone off).
Given what you have said this may not help but I would certainly give it a go. Good luck.
Regards
tony.wheeler said:
Taze,
I would also recommend that you try one of Daniel's applications - he is working on Comm Manager Pro but I think that Bandswitch will probably help you. I find similar problems to those you describe at work here in the UK with T-Mobile and my battery would often run low even during a day at work. The problem appears to have been caused by the Vario II (Hermes) spending all day jumping back and forward between networks whilst hunting for the best signal. Although the Bandswitch application (very small footprint) will not increase the signal you may find that forcing the phone to operate in a particular band helps - this is very easily achieved via the Bandswitch interface rather than going into settings each time. I now regularly switch to GSM each day when I get to work and it has solved my battery run-down issue completely!
Comm Manager Pro does much the same and more. It allows you to define a location (according to Cell ID and LAC Code) from which you can set the CMP application to (amongst other functions) switch to a particular band - or even turn the phone off).
Given what you have said this may not help but I would certainly give it a go. Good luck.
Regards
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im going to try bandswitch today and see how it works. thank you for the suggestion!
i wish daniel could add the feature of blocked, preferred, of locked Cell ID's. that would be worth a good amount of money to me....
Hi.
I would like to help you.... I can detect cells and lac but I cant force radio hardware to attach on a particular cell. This a task for Radio ROM. The only posibility (maybe) would be if the operator names are diferent. Could you go to settings a search for operators? Maybe your operator has different name in roaming than non roaming. In that case It would be easy to help you....
Oooo if FieldTest were a controllable application....
Ok what I’ve discovered so far after watching FieldTest for about an hour.
The Good Connection -
LAC 0020
MNC/MCC 31017
NCELL INFO1 700-80 dbm <---- (at least four out of six NCELL maintain a steady 700-80dbm, often all six NCELL)
NCELL INFO2 700-80 dbm
NCELL INFO3 700-80 dbm
NCELL INFO4 700-80 dbm
NCELL INFO5 700-80 dbm
NCELL INFO6 700-80 dbm
BAND 2CS
CHANNEL 1:CCCH (stays, doesn’t change)
The Bad Connection
LAC d6ef
MNC/MCC 31380
NCELL INFO1 140-100 dbm
NCELL INFO2 140-100 dbm <---- (i get two NCELL at the most 140 each, rarely four NCELL, never more)
NCELL INFO3 0
NCELL INFO4 0
NCELL INFO5 0
NCELL INFO6 0
BAND 3:850 (once I saw it switch to PCS on this same MNC)
CHANNEL 1:CCCH/0:BCCH/255<UNKNOWN> (switches between these quite frequently)
So what I’ve interpreted from all that is.
Well I’ve confirmed my ****ty connection. Even though the phone often shows two bars, I can’t make or receive calls. Based on the NCELL db numbers and the constant channel changing, that **** just don’t work.
Most importantly, the phone is always trying to switch to the highest possible band. Because PCS is a lower band than GSM 850, my phone won’t stay on the PCS connection.
O yes, another discovery is, in WM6, if you are connected to a PCS band network, it displays the Triangle icon as if you are roaming but in fact it is not roaming.
So Daniel since you seem to be the best chance for a better life [for my Hermes]:
I need a way to force band selection beyond just GSM and UMTS.
I tried BandSwitch and it does not work for me because all my available connections fall under GSM.
And even beyond that I’d like to be able to force MNC’s, as I believe they are the specific network number.
Or can I block a LAC?
In settings, I only have one operator, Cingular, “Home of the most dropped calls.”
Hi.
I undestand perfectly your frustration and I will try to do what I can althought It doesnt seem easy thing because there isnt any(known) api to manage Radio Rom. Fieldtest is OEM dependent and I imagine It only works for only one manufacturer of radio hardware chip.
Ok, first try. If you start radio phone 10 times....
1) how many times your phone register to roaming (and wished) network?
2) If registed to roaming network, how much time (aprox) stays on it before register to bad cells?.
Why? well ,CMP executes actions when you enter on some place (compound by cells and lacs). You could create a place with your hated cells and then associate the action "reset radio" when registed to those cells (or lacs). In this way if your device falls into bad cells it would be resetted (only radio, not phone) until registed to good cells...
Only an idea....
Dani
If you can determine the direction of the "bad" towers, try lining your walls with lead sheets to block their signals and letting you connect to a prefered tower.