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Memory eaten away !!!!!!!

I think all of you have seen this.. Free program stats from around 25 Mb and keeps on going down even if you completely kill the processes. is there a tool which actually kills the resident dlls and other crap in memory.. Please advice.. i want to get out this habbit of soft reset after couple of days just to bring my memory back up where it belongs ;-)
Cheers
Zobie

Yeah, leaking memory is also one of the very few things I hate on my Wizard
I also would like to know if there is a Memory Cleaner that works like it should and not only kills open programs.

Had problem also. But the Internet Exploder was to blame. I had the history settings to 30 days. Which is the default. Back to 0 days and everything was hunkydory again.

I had problems with memory too. I had less than 1MB of storage memory left. So I went from a custom 2.17 ROM to Mr. Clean AKU 2.3 and changed the Registry setting for IE as follows:
; IE Cache to storage card
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders]
"Cache"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files"
I've used this ROM for a week now with lots of programs. I have an average of 25 MB of storage free and the system is fast.
I have experienced no problems whatsoever.

If i don't even open the IE will it still be a memory hog?? i don't understand that.. I can understand that if i use IE all the time it will cause problems but if i don't even use it why woud my memory drop with time. Cans omeone please explain. I am not trying to offend neone here but just wante dto know. I can definitely try the reg settings. Please let me know.
Thanks
Zobie

Don't confuse ROM with RAM and storage with program mem. I think the topic starter referred to his RAM mem becoming less every day, resulting in low program mem and slow operations, needing a reset to clear the RAM and speed up the device.
The IE cache is stored in ROM and will only fill your storage but not slow down your device.
memory leaks are unfortunately a standard issue with PPC devices, I have always suffered from them on both WM 2003 SE and Wm5 devices. For me a soft reset now and then clears it up, but I find it an annoying "feature" as well.

I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.

BUMP !!!

zobie said:
I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.
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What are the "In Memory DLL's"? Never heard of such a thing.
The memory that slows your device is the addressable application memory, which is a total of 32 MB. You cannot change that or add to it.
Think of it as the same as the Virtual Memory (VM) in Windows XP on your desktop. Every application you open reserves a bit of this virtual memory. Some apps willingly give it up when they close - some that are not as well written do not. A soft reset when you see the device slowing is about all you can do.
My only other advice is that skinned applications - particularly Today screen plugins - use up this addressable memory very quickly. This includes Wisbar Advance2, PocketBreeze and iLauncher, and any weather program. If you are running these, you will always have similar issues. Find an acceptable mix of skinned apps that you must have, and try doing without the rest just to see how it treats your device's memory.
And if you want to see what processes are running, and how much memory they are using, try MemMaid by Dinarsoft or SK-Tools. Great programs.

Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free. Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?

markgamber said:
Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free.
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Take a look here to learn about what you really see in task manager regarding memory/cpu usage.
http://tinyurl.com/l57w8
Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?
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Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!

Tools Like Memmaid SK-Tools don't allow you to identify rouge elements in memory which nolonger have a parent process running. It is those elemts which eat up the memory. I have SPB tools to actually close the application but even then the memory keeps on falling. I guess there is no tool as of today like Taskmanager or even RAM Optimizer for PPC. A Tool like RAM Optimizer would check for the elements which are residing in RAM and are no longer being used. XDA developers can surely write something using the .NE Framework.

J-Mac said:
Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!
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Do you happen to know of a couple that use the WMClose command? I've used HandySwitcher most recently and MagicButton in the past, but have no idea which method(s) they use.
Thank you.
Geoffrey

There must 40 threads on this topics by now. I concur with J-Mac that today plugins are mostly to blame. I use Journal Bar and perform a soft reset roughly every other day. To help the situation I also use 2 programs which I find invaluable - The first is Smartskey which allows you close a program rather than minimise it (its a free download on this forum). The second is SK Tools Free up RAM application which works reasonably well but only delays the enevitable soft reset. It's effectiveness decreases the longer the device remains active.

WM5 automatically close some programs to clear memory?

Is there anyway to prevent this? I am using a program that will close automatically after using a couple programs...
http://benhirashima.com/software/
Due to the way Windows Mobile manages memory, you may find that if you have been using a lot of different programs on your phone, or doing something that requires a lot of memory, that Windows Mobile will automatically shut down TxtMan without warning. It does this to free up memory for whatever you're currently doing. Unfortunately, TxtMan won't receive SMS messages after it's been shut down. If you've been doing a lot of work on your phone, you should check to see if TxtMan is still running.
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does anyone have any info on this and maybe a registry setting to prevent it?

WM just frees memory. You can do nothing with this, except soldering extra RAM chips

there is also 32 program limit. if you have too many programs open, the last used will be closed anyway, having more memory will not help. trust me on that one, I have 128 Mb RAM and WM5.

The programs can ignore WM_CLOSE, which enlongates livetime. But if memory becomes too cluttered, Windows will kill the program anyway.
The idea was to do something like Palm, where a program exits to a saved state when it's left (there is no multitasking) and continues there when restarted. The "smart minimize" feature (programs aren't closed but minimized until memory runs low) would have been a speedup, and allowed programs to do some background stuff while there's enough memory and CPU time. With small organizer apps like Contacts, Appointments, PocketWord, etc., this would have worked quite OK...
However, since PPCs became more and more "small PCs" instead of "better organizers", programs grew in CPU and memory usage, required to stay alive (e.g. multimedia players, navigation, ...), and task managers like WisBar became a "must have". And the automatic close mechanism became an unwanted legacy...

Make WM5 to automatically close applications, just like a Palm device

I always have problems with WM5 memory management, which led me to experiment more on some free apps out there. This is a personal trick I just recently learned from all the AKU 3 versions that are coming out that I have been trying out and would like to share with everyone.
I will attach OXIOS Memory CAB file below my post, you need both Oxios Hibernate and Oxios Close Apps for this trick to work.
This is the theory for the increase of memory: basically what I wanted to happen is to only have 1 application running in the background no matter what. Thus, opening another app automatically closes the other app, even just pressing the OK button. Just like what a Palm device does with regards to application handling.
One draw back though, you are eliminating the ability of the WM5 device to run multiple applications at the same time.
OK enough of the explanations, here is what you have to do:
1st: Download the copy of OXIOS apps I provided.
2nd: Run the CAB file to install.
3rd: Go to Windows>Start Menu>Programs>Accessories.
4th: Copy the shortcuts for both Oxios Close Apps and Oxios Hibernate.
5th: Go to Windows>Start Up.
6th: Paste both Oxios Close Apps and Oxios Hibernate.
7th: Perform a soft reset.
Basically this would make WM5 behave like a palm device. You can now only open one application at one time, thus ensuring you have enough memory for your current application to run.
You don't even need to close any app anymore manually, since it is done automatically for you now.
There are some exceptions to this however and they are:
1: Contacts Application
2: MMS Application
3: Calendar Application
4: Phone Application
These 4 apps can be opened all at the same time without closing automatically, a good thing because you want them to work together when sending messages or files. Plus, you also want the phone ON at all times.
Good luck and let me know if you prefer this solution or suggestion.

hmmm...
I don't like the idea of not being in control of my device...
I've been happy doing it manually with Magic Button, and since yesterday, Wisbar Advance 2.
I think the extra tap is worth it!

that's great, maybe it's good for me, thanks for your cab file.

i tried these apps before, but not in this fashion. it never really fully recovered all the memory that it was trying to recover.
is there still a gradual memory leak, or does this manage to retain the full amount of memory after each closure.
i start with 29 - 30mb, it drops to about 18mb, so I reset it. does this stop the memory drop and reduction and totally reclaim the memory on closure of every app?

simon_darley said:
does this stop the memory drop and reduction and totally reclaim the memory on closure of every app?
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No, unfortunately, but based on using them on the latest AKU 3 ROMs, Oxios apps are getting better in recovering the lost memory.

thanks! will think about installing this. currently, im just using memmaid's reclaim ram plug in. Im not sure if it's just placebo but it works somehow..

About Memory Leaking

Recently I found something interesting and would like to share here see any Hi-Tech people can make a software to fix the memory leaking in WM OS.
When I first start my machine, my Ram is about 25.5mb and then will drop down to around 24 something mb. I used different software to try to recover as much as RAM including Oxios and eLiAs AutoHibernate.
Recently I start to use Vito GoodWin I found that every time when I use the dialer pad no matter I make or not make a phone call, my Ram will drop down a bit. When I open the GoodWin, I can see the "Phone" is still running. After I close the "Phone" in GoodWin and close GoodWin and back to Today destop. I found that my Ram will go up to 26.6mb. How come? Is it any chance to find out why and may someone can make a software Like Oxios but can take more Ram back.
Hope someone can do it for US. Cheers

memory leakage
hey dude this is not memory leakage actually whenever u run anything on the pocketpc or a cell phone or a computer it uses the resources of the device that is it uses the RAM memory(memory used for running the programs on a computer,pocketpc).
And as it is all the programs,codes,scripts are actually lines and machine codes which get compiled and executed and hence they use the memory of the device to run and hence the RAM memory is used.
For example if u run multiple programs at a time then it drains your RAM memory and hence the result is slow processing of your device hence there is no such way that you can avoid the RAM usage so even when u start your dialer it consumes the RAM do not worry about the RAM usage its normal.
And about the programs you mentioned they are just to shift the memory usage and yet when you start your dialer the specified and required amount of RAM will be used.
To make it more clear for u just go to the task manager of your computer (by pressing alt+ctrl+del all together) and then click on the performance tab
now minimize the task manager and just open a folder or any program and check your task manager the RAM usage might have definitely increased..
Its the same funda with your pocketpc and mobile phones..

its called...ram...basic computing...just like any computer..its shortterm memory used to run programs...the more u open the less u have...maybe u should search up basic computing terms like ram for a further explanation

Memory leaking is real and especially noticeable on windows mobile.
What happens is that memory is allocated for use by programs but then not released when the application is finished doing its job. A combination of complexity and lazy programming is often the cause.
The end result is a gradual drop in available memory, regardless of whether you have any applications still open. The only way to make that memory available is a soft-reset.
Suggest you look carefully at which applications leak the most and avoid them. It can be one or two culprits that you can live without.

My phone (Verizon SMT5800, running Windows Mobile 6 Standard) is bad about memory leaks. I have to reboot it at least once a day to recover memory, sometimes several times in one day. On one occasion, it got down to about 2 MB free and wouldn't even run the reset command. I had to reset it by taking the battery out.

See here and tweak if necessary !! http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms911907.aspx

"soft reset a day keeps the memory hog away"

ayyu3m said:
"soft reset a day keeps the memory hog away"
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^ Thats the only thing that works for me

autohibernate works really well

SKTools FreeUP RAM
SKTools FreeUP Ram works well. Use it a couple times a day. Eventually have to soft reset though, maybe every couple of days. Have to buy it of course, not free. But it prolongs the duration between soft resets.

The newest SKTools has an additional service for automatic FreeUP Ram, after every app-closing. Just try it

Is there a way to find out which application is causing the memory leak?

I don't think, that there is a real memory leak.
For example Windows Mobile has a file cache which is not filled yet after a fresh softreset. While you use your device this gets filled until the required amount of memory is being used for it.

If more and more memory is consumed each time the dialpad is used, as described, then there is a memory leak. Nothing else can explain that. You should check with your rom chief.

Thanks, works great!
LordDeath said:
The newest SKTools has an additional service for automatic FreeUP Ram, after every app-closing. Just try it
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I just upgraded my version of SKTools to get the latest FreeUP RAM Service feature. Very nice. Automatically frees unused RAM.
Thanks for the hint.

chigz said:
hey dude this is not memory leakage actually whenever u run anything on the pocketpc or a cell phone or a computer it uses the resources of the device that is it uses the RAM memory(memory used for running the programs on a computer,pocketpc).
And as it is all the programs,codes,scripts are actually lines and machine codes which get compiled and executed and hence they use the memory of the device to run and hence the RAM memory is used.
For example if u run multiple programs at a time then it drains your RAM memory and hence the result is slow processing of your device hence there is no such way that you can avoid the RAM usage so even when u start your dialer it consumes the RAM do not worry about the RAM usage its normal.
And about the programs you mentioned they are just to shift the memory usage and yet when you start your dialer the specified and required amount of RAM will be used.
To make it more clear for u just go to the task manager of your computer (by pressing alt+ctrl+del all together) and then click on the performance tab
now minimize the task manager and just open a folder or any program and check your task manager the RAM usage might have definitely increased..
Its the same funda with your pocketpc and mobile phones..
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Thanks for the detail reply. Actually what I want to say is after I turn the phone on the ram is start dropping. I just take a sample like after you use the phone the ram would drop about a mb. Of course we know that it is not leaking. My point is after I closed the software and use some software to recover the RAM like Oxios. You can get some RAM back, but my case is when I after make a phone call and turn the dialer pad off. I wouldn't see any software running at task manager also if I use Oxios I just claim about half to one MB RAM back. When I turn GoodWin on in this point I can see the "Phone" still running at GoodWin. I stop the "Phone" at GoodWin and than turn GoodWin off, I found that I could recover 2 - 3mb RAM. That's mean for me is when GoodWin turn this software "Phone" off and could claim more RAM back than Oxios. So could we use the way GoodWin do to make a software claim more RAM back? If you don't get what I say, just try to download GoodWin from the net and try to play around than you can see what happen. Sometime it even make me have more RAM than just after softreset.

ayyu3m said:
"soft reset a day keeps the memory hog away"
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Are you in NZ? Me too, which city you are? I am in Christchurch.

Memory Leaking Solution?

Well, I seem to have a constant memory leaking problem. I've tried different roms over the past few years. Some of the most recent DCD 3.2.4, 3.2.6, 4.1.2, and now RM v2.2 light. They all seem to have the same problem. The memory is fine when I do a soft reset, then I start using the phone for whatever, Internet, Text Messaging, etc. The memory starts to get less and less and less over a very short period of time until I hardly have any left. So, I have to keep soft resetting the phone like every hour or more. Is there a solution to this? I have to assume it's a hardware issue since all the ROMs seem to cause the same problem. I have a friend that has the same phone and he uses his phone with MR1 and he says he has no problems at all, but he uses his phone as a basic phone and doesn't use it like a computer, like I do. He doesn't text message or use many applications at all. So, I don't know if he would have the same problem if he ran all the apps I do and text messaged, etc. Thank you for your help and time...

It's not a hardware issue. Due to the nature of our OS, there will more than likely always be a slow memory leak...but it shouldn't be bad.
Do you have a task manager like HTC Task Manager that allows you to completely close apps when you press (or hold) the X? You may have lots of apps running throughout the day that don't actually exit.
You can also try running a program like Oxios Hibernate occasionally to free up some memory.
You may also have programs such a Voice Command that run in the background and use memory; try looking and seeing what is running in the background.
Try downloading something like DotFred's Task Manager, and look at the what programs are running and how much memory they utilize shortly after a reset. Then look again a few hours later to see what changes.

Yes, I do and I'm exiting the apps. It doesn't seem to be bad with this new RS ROM. All the DCD ROMs that I used had a major problem when I used them. I was using memRelease, that seemed to be the best out of the ones I tried, but it would still not release a lot and it would slowly go down lower and lower. I've just started using Oxios Hibernate 1.40 since it came with the new ROM. I don't have voice command that I know of. I see what's running in the background, there is some utility came with the ROM, but I'm not sure what the files are that are running and if it's OK to stop them. I will have to try what you say, but I'll have to try to find that utility again, or get that one you suggested. Thanks!
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It's not a hardware issue. Due to the nature of our OS, there will more than likely always be a slow memory leak...but it shouldn't be bad.
Do you have a task manager like HTC Task Manager that allows you to completely close apps when you press (or hold) the X? You may have lots of apps running throughout the day that don't actually exit.
You can also try running a program like Oxios Hibernate occasionally to free up some memory.
You may also have programs such a Voice Command that run in the background and use memory; try looking and seeing what is running in the background.
Try downloading something like DotFred's Task Manager, and look at the what programs are running and how much memory they utilize shortly after a reset. Then look again a few hours later to see what changes.
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OK, I can't find the application I was talking about, I'm thinking it was in the Heavy version of the ROM and not the Light and that's why I can't find it now.
I did what you suggested and I installed DotFred's Task Manager. I can see the processes that are starting when I do a soft reset. Can you tell me if there is a place that lists what all the processes are and what I need and don't need? This way I can figure out what processes and don't need and stop them. Is there a way to stop some processes from starting automatically when you turn on the phone, and that will only start when I start them manually?
When I do the soft reset my free memory is about 17.76 MB but my processes are only using 15851 KB but my free memory is 18.52 MB after I use Oxios. So, that doesn't work well to free up memory. After you minus the memory the proceses are using from the total memory it should have 37.44 MB free. So, I don't know what's using up the rest of the memory.
I'm also using Kernal to use the High Memory Kernal so the camera doesn't work and it frees up alot more memory. So, if I used Low Memory Kernal my memory would really suck. So, there must be something wrong here.
Is there a way to keep ActiveSync from starting all the time? Here is the list. Thank you!
shell32.exe - 4440 kb
gwes.exe - 3350 kb
device.exe - 2677 kb
services.exe - 2383 kb
filesys.exe - 1812 kb
cprog.exe - 892 kb
connmgr.exe - 104 kb
repllog.exe - 101 kb
TaskMgr.exe - 80 kb
psShutXP.exe - 5 kb
FTouchFlo.exe - 5 kb
poutlook.exe - 1 kb
NK.exe - 1 kb
btonetbone said:
It's not a hardware issue. Due to the nature of our OS, there will more than likely always be a slow memory leak...but it shouldn't be bad.
Do you have a task manager like HTC Task Manager that allows you to completely close apps when you press (or hold) the X? You may have lots of apps running throughout the day that don't actually exit.
You can also try running a program like Oxios Hibernate occasionally to free up some memory.
You may also have programs such a Voice Command that run in the background and use memory; try looking and seeing what is running in the background.
Try downloading something like DotFred's Task Manager, and look at the what programs are running and how much memory they utilize shortly after a reset. Then look again a few hours later to see what changes.
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It must be something you're installing because I've used most of the ROMs you mentioned along with having tons of extra stuff installed and running in the background and with heavy use the memory leaks really only became a problem after a day or two... not every hour.

Well, the RM ROMs seem to be working better then the DCD ROMs. I have to keep clearning the memory, but I don't have to keep restarting my phone like I did with the DCD ROMs. I still don't understand what's up with the memory. I had like 50% clear memory after the fresh install of the new ROM, and I checked the processes. I then restore my backup and install my software and then the memory goes down to like 30% free. I check the processes and there is no new processes. So, if there is no new processes taking up the memory then what is, and how can I find out? Yes, there must be something wrong, but I don't know how to figure out what it is. Thanks!
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It must be something you're installing because I've used most of the ROMs you mentioned along with having tons of extra stuff installed and running in the background and with heavy use the memory leaks really only became a problem after a day or two... not every hour.
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