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How do you Hide Phone Capabilities ?

Hi All,
I would like to supply XDA's to a client, who plans on using them
for GPRS only. They do not want their workers to have the ability
to use them as Phones. Is there any way of removing the Phone
Dialer App (from ROM or otherwise), so that they couldn't key in
a phone number?
The only option I can think of is Kiosk mode with that SP Kiosk
App?

cube said:
Hi All,
I would like to supply XDA's to a client, who plans on using them
for GPRS only. They do not want their workers to have the ability
to use them as Phones. Is there any way of removing the Phone
Dialer App (from ROM or otherwise), so that they couldn't key in
a phone number?
The only option I can think of is Kiosk mode with that SP Kiosk
App?
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On any SIM you can block selected outgoing calls.... Check on the options your phonecompany gives you.
Maybe you could lock the SIM to only allow dialing out to phonenr. stored on the SIMcard itself (being zero, for example )

Thanks the reply,
I'd rather remove the ability to phone because I would rather
the end user didn't even know it was a phone. The SIM Lock
option isn't a bad idea, but they could stick other SIM cards in
it, which our customer does not want.

cube said:
Thanks the reply,
I'd rather remove the ability to phone because I would rather
the end user didn't even know it was a phone. The SIM Lock
option isn't a bad idea, but they could stick other SIM cards in
it, which our customer does not want.
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Not with a sim-lock and even then, they are calling at their own cost...
If you block it on the XDA, it can be hacked on the XDA, make it SIM-Dependant... A hardreset wil alway restore the phoneapplication. Only way would be to create a own rom without phoneoptions.
And still they wil be able to hack it, by installing phonesoftware, or installing their own ROM... Read this forum :mrgreen:
Again : If you block it on the XDA, it can be hacked on the XDA...

cube said:
Thanks the reply,
I'd rather remove the ability to phone because I would rather
the end user didn't even know it was a phone. .........
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I thought that, if a guy is smarter enough to know how to use it and to know its has GPRS, then he would know it is a phone.

cube said:
I would like to supply XDA's to a client, who plans on using them for GPRS only. They do not want their workers to have the ability
to use them as Phones. Is there any way of removing the Phone
Dialer App (from ROM or otherwise), so that they couldn't key in
a phone number?
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You can edit ROM and remove cprog.exe application. Just use any hex editor to change its name to something like "lalala.la". But a clever user would take this file from another ROM and install to their device. Or would reflash the device.

cube said:
I would rather the end user didn't even know it was a phone.
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Bit difficult - the start call and end call buttons will be a bit of a give-away!
I agree with the others that a modified ROM is probably the easiest/cheapest way - simply remove the phone app and even a hard-reset won't restore it but this won't stop the bright user from mod'ing the ROM himself.

[NEW Update v2.0] Ultimate theft ALERT!

Hey all,
//************EDIT******
Move to the end of 4th page for the NEW version
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Ultimately security software for Pocket PC devices (phone edition only)..
The software checks the SIM card every time u do a soft reset or even HARD-RESET to yr fone.. So if that SIM aint yrs(the one specified in the program itself), it sends an SMS to another specified number(maybe to yr Dad' #) from the thief' SIM card, presuming that any thief after stealing, wld through away yr SIM and put his own in yr device and doesnt know the secret about this software..
The software also doesnt let the thief know that its been installed or running or an sms is been sent to yr number.. So u can keep him unnoticed until u track him down and shoot!
NOTE:
The DEMO version attached below will not send an sms but instead it shows up a message box sayin if its yr SIM or changed one..
SMS feature will be available in the full version only..
-If yr visiting this page for the first time, i reccomend u to skip two pages of posted replies as it contains posts abt the beta version.
EDIT:
To get the full version pm me..

How would this help if I flash a stolen device with another ROM?
What if the sent SMS carries a number of an anonymous prepaid card?

What's the benefit over this free program? It looks to me like they do exactly the same?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2526

Oh yeah...!
The software would have sent the sms as soon as the SIM is changed and even before the device becomes usable and so before flashing, u got the punk' Number..
But a normal thief, wldn do such stuff!

I checked that jus now..!
i checked that post jus now!
It is a more complicated process and basically works with owner information.. it fails if the thief doesnt change that..
Mine works by SIM card.. as soon as the new SIM is inserted, it recognizes and sends the messages..
Itz nice u guys come put more questions to make me challenging
But still, im an MBBS student and i had this hobby of programming for long.. So im jus designing things to satisfy myself
So, If yr intrested, u can try mine...

this app needs more love. its a great idea. most pikeys that find or steal a phone like this wouldnt know the first thing on how to flash it!. might be a good idea to include the following data in the SMS
current cell site associated with it or the area code for the current area.
maybe any other data that you can gleam from the sim card

Carty: have you posted this anywhere for download or trial? I can't see any links...
V

Tats a gud question too
Hey vijay,
This software, to make the security level higher, has the SIM info written in the program itself.. itz no point askin for trial cz itz gonna work as i say.. If anyone wants to buy, i first give a small program that will read the info from SIM & msg me thru SMS..then i rite the same to the program & give u.. so that ting works only wit yr SIM & none else cld try using it! After making it sure that the software works as i said, u can pay me then! but still i don kno any way to get yr money to me here.. The only option is thru mail, if u have any oter better option, temme...!

have a look at www.paypal.com
that's a popular method of payment used by ebay sellers worldwide..

Awrite, planned for the DEMO...
As u guys need a DEMO, ive made it..
First u gotta install the attached app, It reads yr SIM and sends me the required information.. I then incorporate those details into the program and send you the trial..

Hi Carty,
Speaking for myself only; I don't like trying a Sim ripper which send who knows what info to an unknown person. Guess the program could extract a lot more from my sim or magician (eg imei) than I would like to be send over the internet.
Like your id, but at the moment no thanks, unless I can bind my (ascii)data self into the program.
Guess it will be written into the rom to survive a hard-reset & I don't want my device locked by anything, got I hate sim-locks. So there must be a bypass or de-install as well.
Another prob i can think off, what about dual-sim owners?
Again I like the idea, but am paranoid in this field.
Regards, M

Nice precautions..
Yr too carefull abt yr device i gezz.. Tats gud! anyway this software survives Hard-reset as told, but not needed to be surely put in ROM.. The exe file is kept in a folder 2577 in yr internal storage renamed as Autorun.exe and so it gets executed.. The main advantage is that it doesn require any installation necessarily, jus the exe file can be executed just after hard reset.. The folder' attribute is set to be hidden and so wont show up normally.. But if the thief' aware of this, he can delete that file wit yr SIM in it and then do a hard reset..For this reason, ROM incorporation wld be usefull.. But i don think a thief wld do all such stuff as his first concentration would be to change the SIM and once changed, itz finished!
But still, y i din try incorporating the file in ROM cz, if the thief cld find the facility of autorun in folder 2577, he wld very well know abt flashing ROMs and so its no point.. But in real life, a thief normally wont have such knowledge and thats wer my software helps..
Awrite, to those who r really worried and don trust my software to get the only required info, Im letting out the secret, itz jus the phone number that was used to check the sim.. So gemme yr number thru private message to me.. The point of making a software to gemme the detail is to avoid the country code error as some SIM contains those while the oters dont.. Mine din have so u gemme without country code..

program for sim data
I installed your program and executed it. It didn't seem to do anything on my universal, but now I can't uninstall it. How do I get rid of whatever it did or didn't do? Is it supposed to send you an sms? I don't think it did so as my prepaid sim card does not show any less money than was on it before.

Carty,
Just pm'd you my number to check & to send the alert to. As the program ends up in storage resco must be able to show it, it shows all my hidden files.
Regards, M
Course I check before changing sim's

Back againn...
Today morning i checked by changing some SIM cards and some din have their number in it.. Bad network providers, they don even put their number in SIM cards.. So for these cases, im gonna change the coding in my software to send an sms if the number is not present also..So right now this software should work only to those having their SIM cards with their own number in it provided by the operator..
Oltp, i got yr number and wld do the demo for you today evening and post it here.. and before, install my check software and press the read sim button and if it says read succesfull, then yr SIM has number and the software would work.. U dont have to press the second button saying send request as u wer scared to send any information though it reads nothing oter than yr sim number..
chetccox, there should be two buttons in tat check software.. first one gets enabled wen u type sumthin in the name textbox and on pressing the read sim button, second one would get enabled and saying Read succesfull.. if u got this message read successfull, then yr sim has yr number and the software has detected it.so on pressing the send request button, the number would be sent to me, im not sure y it din send the sms..Maybe yr number doesn allow international sms or so... Anyway il do the demo for you too today evening and post here..
For others, im gonna change the check software, instead of sending me the sms, it would directly display the number on yr screen.. Its jus to make sure that yr SIM has yr number and the software is capable of detecting it and so the Theft Alert software would work fine..
Everything today evening as im held up in my college..
Lil abt me for u guys, Im actually an MBBS student, doin my third yr. Programming was my hobby for a long time and i have great intrest in it.. Lately im tryin to improve my skills to target on smart devices (Poket PCs) since i own one, id like to customize it to my needs as i wish!

@Carty,
I think this software _could_ be interesting to quite a few of us, provided you get it running without us having to send you any personal details - that's the things we are trying to keep to ourselves in the first place.
But please, please write your messages in real english, not some made up stuff. Trying to figure out what you mean by guessing how you pronounce words in your local lingo, makes my head hurt :-(
Anyway, together with PDAKill, this could be an essential piece of software for security aware users, so keep up the good work.

why dun u jus make a program that stays in the rom and would only sms to a desired number the number the thief is using whenever there is a sim change. then this way the thief cannot run away wit ur device. u can jus keep harrassing him or get the police involved as well. even better if it can make use the telco towers.

Dear Carty,
Apparently the Dutch sim's aren't containing the phone number either:
NetCF.exe
Exception
Could not get phone number from SIM
Application::Run+0xf
Form1::Main+0xa
We need to find some other unique id from the sim.
Cheers, M

Yew gt me..
Hi oltp,
Tats de same error i gt wen using it wit my fren' SIM.. So letz try this idea.. The sim phonebuk has a place for own numbers.. can v write our numbers to it and access it to check? or even most of us wont use the SIM phonebook, so v cld write it down an entry in it and access.. Can v..?
By the way, oltp, i used to program with Visual Basic .net 2003.. Wot abt u..?

HBK said:
@Carty,
Anyway, together with PDAKill, this could be an essential piece of software for security aware users, so keep up the good work.
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PDAKill wld be of no use.. Cz, wen yr fone been stolen, the first thing the thief wld do is to throw away yr SIM and wer wld yr msg go to Kill yr fone..?

SIM Switcher Software Compatible with WM5 ?

Howdy folks,
I used to use WiViT SIM Status Switcher with my Magician, which worked well.
I would like a similar application for WM5. (WiViT SSS will not install on my Wizard)
Does anyone know of such an app that will work with WM5?

try this
it is a slight variaTION AND works with WM5 devices. i use it on the EXEC.

great stuff thanks ! i'll give it a shot

SSS does install now, thanks. But how about the license. The code you were given wont work on a different device. . . .

Just had contact with one of the Wivit developers.
A WM5 version is planned.
Just give these guys some more time.

I installed the download link on my mda II, but I can not start the application, does anyone has a function version / software for switching in WM5?

Does anyone know where I can buy a dual sim adapter for the Wizard (XDA Mini S) please? I don't want one where you have to cut up the SIM.
Thanks in advance.

max999 said:
I installed the download link on my mda II, but I can not start the application, does anyone has a function version / software for switching in WM5?
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It's a today item which has to be enabled from within settings

Next version STK compatible?
Hi,
I use a dual sim solution where you have to cut your sims.
This worked fine, and the new dual card seemed to work.
It even made a new entry in my program group called "Hypercard"
I didn't had time to fully check it out, but that program is gone after shut down the device or do a soft reset..
Any way to get it back?
I also tried Wivit Sim Status Switcher, but only the cab i found here (Sim Switcher.cab) worked, although i had to manually edit the registry to reflect my Dutch ROM. (Program Files to Programmabestanden)
It would be great if someone could create a Dutch cab or could tell me how to edit..
It doesn't seem to switch the SIM's though.. Possibly because i run WM5 or because the adapter uses STK? (Sometimes it just dissapears from Today/Vandaag screen..)
I really hope Wivit's next version is STK, WM5 compatible. (and multilangual?)
Thanks,
allegro16

This version of the sim-switcher works great with my mai-12 dual sim.
One glitch though: after switching, the operator is not shown anymore. The software only says Registering...

birdibird said:
One glitch though: after switching, the operator is not shown anymore. The software only says Registering...
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Me too

cizake said:
birdibird said:
One glitch though: after switching, the operator is not shown anymore. The software only says Registering...
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Me too
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Hmm, I found out how to get it back:
Disable in your settings / today / items the Sim Status Switcher
exit the settings screens until you're back in the today screen.
Enable the Sim Status Switcher again in your settings, and voila: There is your operator again.
:shock: ???

talkingbollox said:
Does anyone know where I can buy a dual sim adapter for the Wizard (XDA Mini S) please? I don't want one where you have to cut up the SIM.
Thanks in advance.
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Use the search function. Theres a topic on nocut dual sim adapters.
I added a how-to to that thread

l6cum said:
try this
it is a slight variaTION AND works with WM5 devices. i use it on the EXEC.
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Sorry, didn't find a link. Try what?

arg0 said:
l6cum said:
try this
it is a slight variaTION AND works with WM5 devices. i use it on the EXEC.
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Sorry, didn't find a link. Try what?
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Sorry again, never mind. I had not logged in and the link was not visible

Guys,
I've updated VJVolubilis to control the phone radio. I've put in a function to toggle the radio on and off, so for me, launching it twice will switch my dual sim. It should work on WM5, but I've only tested it on the emulator. Could I ask if anyone gets a chance, just to give it a quick go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=256445#256445
Gracias!
V

birdibird said:
cizake said:
birdibird said:
One glitch though: after switching, the operator is not shown anymore. The software only says Registering...
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Me too
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Hmm, I found out how to get it back:
Disable in your settings / today / items the Sim Status Switcher
exit the settings screens until you're back in the today screen.
Enable the Sim Status Switcher again in your settings, and voila: There is your operator again.
:shock: ???
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I cant get rid of the 'registering' . . . .

Like mentioned earlier in the topic:
Just disable/enable the plugin in the Today screen settings, it should work ok then.
I still hope the soon start replying to their mail..
They asked me to beta test and translate to Dutch, so i send them a Dutch copy of SSS, but haven't heard from them yet..
Allegro.

edsub said:
I cant get rid of the 'registering' . . . .
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Irritated the hell out of me.
The Languange file is just a text file, choose you language and just edit the text. I replaced it with ablank space
B.t.w. I still can't use it to switch SIMS, I need to go to the STK, switch and then turn the GSM function off and back on again. Anyone knows witch DUAL sim adapter handles V1 and V2 sims and can be used with WiViT's switcher?
Thanks, cheers,
cacti

le_cactus: have you tried VJVolubilis? I use a dual sim that uses fight mode to switch. VJVolubilis hopefully works on WM5 and Wm2003 to switch sims this way.
V

Dual Operator Profile switching.

Hi Guys,.
Is there such an app that would allow me to swap out my work sim to my own sim on an evening.
I.e. I would like an app that detects what operator sim I am using and automatically choose the correct profile for gprs, mms and sms.
Using Voda for work and O2 payg for personal.
a plugin would be nice that just swaps the operator setiings over.
I am not over bothered about having a dual sim as changing it over manually is easy enough. Just want an easy way to swap the connection settings over.
Just a footnote I recently re flashed to latest T-Mobile rom and needed to run an app that required Compact framework 2.0. It ran like a bag of Sh**e. Dropped back to the o2 rom and everything cool and groovy.
Answer my prayers brothers of the mobil revolution
SVP M2000
O2 1.40
O2 ext rom
O2 plus (its cool and groovy.
Radio 1.15

You are looking for a combination of a dual-SIM adapter and the Wivit SSS software.
The Dual SIM adapter holds two sims. The active SIM can be switched by switching off & on the GSM radio (or by going into and out of flight mode).
Just for this purpose SSS (see wivit.com) was developed. It lets you switch sims and show (on today) the active sim (by its phone number).
One thing: SSS is currently not reliable om WM5 (I have used it for more than a year on my Himalaya and am very confident.

Thanks for your reply
Had a quick play with this, however it only changes the operator. I need something that will auto detect the correct operator settings for GPRS MMS etc.
Not really bothered about running the 2 sims at the same time. ]
Regards

Thanks for your reply
Had a quick play with this, however it only changes the operator. I need something that will auto detect the correct operator settings for GPRS MMS etc.
Not really bothered about running the 2 sims at the same time. ]
Regards

dw1991: to tell you the truth, the easiest way is just to carry a .cab file with the settings for each operator. One click and it's installed.
I keep one for Orange PAYG, one for O2 contract. I know you don't need it, but I use a cut dual sim on my Magician and never had any problems with this solution.
An autodetecting system could be written, but it'd be over-egging it a bit compared to 2 shortcuts to the .cabs, in a folder on your start menu.
V

Last year I discussed this with the Wivit guys. They planned switching active GPRS network settings linked to SIM switching in some next version of their SSS. Nother was released however since their first 1.0 build. (also i havent seen these guys on this forum for a long time). Pity

Re Cab files
I tried this solution also. Howeve when I double click the cab file on the device it dissappears. Do I have to copy these file across every time |I sync

This cab has some regedits in it that will prevent the .cab files from being deleted after you execute them.

making the CAB's readponly beforehand also solves this!

That's what I want to do!
vijay555 said:
dw1991: to tell you the truth, the easiest way is just to carry a .cab file with the settings for each operator. One click and it's installed.
I keep one for Orange PAYG, one for O2 contract. I know you don't need it, but I use a cut dual sim on my Magician and never had any problems with this solution.
An autodetecting system could be written, but it'd be over-egging it a bit compared to 2 shortcuts to the .cabs, in a folder on your start menu.
V
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Hi, vijay555!
I also use 2 SIM cards from different operators in my Excalibur / Dash / HTC S621 and I want to me cabs for changing the connection settings (gprs/mms/wap) more easily.
Can you help me doing that? I use brasilian operators VIVO and Claro (if you find easier making the cabs than explaining how to I can post the settings latter on )
BTW, I use one of the latest Ricky/Kavana 6.1 ROM.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers!

Idea: SIM emulation

I came up with the following idea. Please tell me what you think about it.
Let's say you have the imsi and ki codes of one or more sim cards. Wouldn't it be nice to use the phone with no sim inside?
This would mean that the sim driver would need to redirect input/output to a custom app which would emulate a green/silver card.
I have programmed apps for the pocket pc but this is way out of my abilities.
I would appreciate some comments

Impossible I'm afraid. The SIM card holds something called the Ki or Authentication Key that is impossible to retrieve using a smart-card interface.
The Phone actually sends data to the SIM which is then cryptographically signed with this key as part of registering you on the network.
More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module

philjohn said:
Impossible I'm afraid. The SIM card holds something called the Ki or Authentication Key that is impossible to retrieve using a smart-card interface.
The Phone actually sends data to the SIM which is then cryptographically signed with this key as part of registering you on the network.
More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module
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Thanks for the input but this won't be the problem.
Mechanisms exist that can extract the necessary codes from comp128v1 sims (imsi and ki).
This is how sim cloning works.
I already have these numbers of my sim card and I can already duplicate it.
You only need a card reader, no expensive hardware

great idea, hasn't the windows mobile sdk something similar?

andrew_sh said:
I came up with the following idea. Please tell me what you think about it.
Let's say you have the imsi and ki codes of one or more sim cards. Wouldn't it be nice to use the phone with no sim inside?
This would mean that the sim driver would need to redirect input/output to a custom app which would emulate a green/silver card.
I have programmed apps for the pocket pc but this is way out of my abilities.
I would appreciate some comments
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Absolutely impossible. This would require radio hacking which requires lots of time, and would be device-specific.

hi plz share the software .
andrew_sh said:
I came up with the following idea. Please tell me what you think about it.
Let's say you have the imsi and ki codes of one or more sim cards. Wouldn't it be nice to use the phone with no sim inside?
This would mean that the sim driver would need to redirect input/output to a custom app which would emulate a green/silver card.
I have programmed apps for the pocket pc but this is way out of my abilities.
I would appreciate some comments
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hi plz share the software
and can we use it on ppc (WM6)

hi plz share the software
and can we use it on ppc (WM6)
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LOL ...WM2003SE too, and what about WM Photon? and PPC2K?? ROFLMAO

shantzg001 said:
LOL ...WM2003SE too, and what about WM Photon? and PPC2K?? ROFLMAO
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will it run on my nokia/SE/Motorola???

Would be a wicked idea if it could be pulled off