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Video Calling / Rattles amongst other things

Hi there,
I recently obtained my XDA Exec (complete with loud rattle) from o2 as a sweetener prior to putting in a large corporate order but have been getting annoyed with the following problems:
1) UTMS Reception is poor and chops and changes between UTMS and GPRS regularly
2) On Video Calling a friend they recieve a loud high pitched whine from my handset. Whereas whenever they phone me everything goes swimmingly.
3) Pronounced rattle within the main body of the handset (at the camera end)
4) WMV audio / video playback is jerky
5) Not being able to properly terminate closed programs
6) Delay in opening programs / files
7) Cannot get a wifi connection with my Linksys router, works with other routers / access points.
8) Does not work with GoToMyPC PocketView (Citrix)
9) No way of viewing flash (swf) content.
All this and I'm running it in corporate mode.
ROM ver: 1.13.48 WWE
ROM date: 09/19/05
Radio ver: 1.04.02
Protocol ver: 42.37.P8
ExtROM ver: 1.13.139 WWE
Not chuffed in the slightest so any suggestions greatly recieved.
3rd Party Software:
SPB Pocket Plus 3.0.4, Build 4195 (Device Install)
SPB GPRS Monitor (Device Install)
Resco File Explorer 2005 v5.21 (Device Install)
ClearView PDF (SD Install)
TomTom Navigator 5.10 (SD & Device Install)
Pocket ScreenShot (SD Install)
vxUtil (SD Install)
OS GPS Convertor (SD Install)
CE Manager (GPS) (SD Install)

stickeresq said:
Hi there,
I recently obtained my XDA Exec (complete with loud rattle) from o2 as a sweetener prior to putting in a large corporate order but have been getting annoyed with the following problems:
1) UTMS Reception is poor and chops and changes between UTMS and GPRS regularly
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I think O2's 3G network has piss-poor coverage at the moment. This may not be the Exec's fault.
stickeresq said:
3) Pronounced rattle within the main body of the handset (at the camera end)
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Sounds like a problem with your handset. Mine is wonderfully solid and rattle-free. Feels much better than my XDA2 was.
stickeresq said:
4) WMV audio / video playback is jerky
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WMP seems to be poor on WM5 so you may find the freeware media player TCPMP much more capable.
stickeresq said:
5) Not being able to properly terminate closed programs
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This is a feature of Windows Mobile that seems to really annoy some people. WM is designed to minimise programs rather than close them, and it handles the memory management itself depending on system resources. If you can overcome the need to 'close' (terminate) programs yourself and just let the OS handle it then you may find that the machine works perfectly and is more responsive as a result. I don't think it's an accident that MS designed it this way. My machine runs just fine if I use it as MS intended, but I agree that it's preferable sometimes to know that you've freed up all the memory from a bloaty app after you've finished with it.
stickeresq said:
6) Delay in opening programs / files
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See point 5
stickeresq said:
3rd Party Software:
SPB Pocket Plus 3.0.4, Build 4195 (Device Install)
SPB GPRS Monitor (Device Install)
Resco File Explorer 2005 v5.21 (Device Install)
ClearView PDF (SD Install)
TomTom Navigator 5.10 (SD & Device Install)
Pocket ScreenShot (SD Install)
vxUtil (SD Install)
OS GPS Convertor (SD Install)
CE Manager (GPS) (SD Install)
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There's a lot of programs around at the moment that claim to be WM5-compatible, when in fact they are only tested to work on WM5; they haven't been designed for WM5. This, IMHO, is the factor that will have the biggest effect on the reliability and speed of your Exec. Try it without any 3rd-party software for a while and see how fast it is before you blame the Exec. For example, the latest version of PocketBreeze and PocketPlus claim to be WM5-compatible, but if I have them showing on my Today screen then I can be waiting up to 10 seconds for the password-entry screen to disappear and the Today screen to finish rendering after power-on of the Exec. If I remove these two plugins then my Exec is instantly usable when I turn it on.
I think the Universal gets a lot of criticism of its performance when in fact this is poorly-written 3rd-party software causing the problem (such as O2's InActive interface). If you can wait for fully-compatible (i.e. designed from the ground-up) software to be made available then you may find the machine works exactly as you'd expect.
Hope this helps.

Sounds like you were sent a refurbished handset.
They do it all the time as a matter of course - cuts costs.
And, no, they dont inform you of the fact prior and won't accept the fact post returning it and asking for another.
Depending on how numpty you get about it they will then either tell you they don't have anymore in stock ie. they have no NEW ones only REFURBISHED ones and will not give you an ETA on the replacement or assure you that they are shocked and concerned this is happening and send you another refurb. Just one thats less obviously knackered.
Oh, then they'll bill you for the one they sent originally and/or imply you have dropped or/broke it/damaged it and should pay for the replacement.
All of this will take several hours to conclude since you will be transferred, cut off, abused, hung up on and plain lied to by several different numpties at their call center. Then eventually, after faxing them half a dozen times and not being called back you will go to a competitor and if you're lucky, recieve marginally better service. Although this is currently somewhat unlikely.
Good eh?
Gubbs.
PS: If you can live without black reccommend the T-Mobile incarnation.
PPS: I am not bitter. Honest. :twisted:

A mixed response but cheers for the feedback! I would love to use it sans third party software but due to the requirements my career puts on my mobile devices / laptop I can't live without them. especially vxUtil and TomTom to get to the clients premises. I wonder what timescale Microsoft are toying with for pushing the SDK to software houses and hence getting a decent range of software out on the market.

I have to agree 100% with everything SiliconS said.
My 3G coverage is actually better than my 'normal' coverage on my T-Mobile simmed JasJar (which I assume is down to the number of users?)
Build quality is very good.
Can't say I use WMP, my entire audio/video library is on ogg and XVid, so TCPMP what I use, and it's perfect.
Using 'smart minimise' generally speeds things up, so there's no need to close everything all the time. It's how WM was designed, and I have no reason to assume I know any better than the designers.
The point about third-party software is the absolute number one cause of most people's problems around here. Developers SAY their software works on WM5, and that may indeed be true. But as far as I know, every single piece of software available on WM5 has actually been written for WM2003SE, and then modified to make it FUNCTION on WM5. None of it is really optimised for WM5 yet, and certainly none of it has been written specifically for WM5. Give it a bit of time, but for now, we're all running software which isn't really using the new OS properly...
The depressing thing is that the SDK for WM5 has been available for about 6 months, and it's only now that the first couple of devices are out, that the developers are bothering to update their software. It's like the X-Box 360 being released, but no-one's bothered to write software for it yet, so you have to use the old X-Box games on it while everyone catches up.....

stickeresq said:
A mixed response but cheers for the feedback! I would love to use it sans third party software but due to the requirements my career puts on my mobile devices / laptop I can't live without them. especially vxUtil and TomTom to get to the clients premises. I wonder what timescale Microsoft are toying with for pushing the SDK to software houses and hence getting a decent range of software out on the market.
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TomTom 5.1 is one of the apps I use and - although it works - it doesn't display crisply and effortlessly in the way I'd expect: you can actually see it processing the rendering of icons, screen overlays, new screens etc. etc. and sure enough, TomTom BV don't claim that it's compatible. It works but not by design. I'd like to think that this is evidence that TomTom is taking seriously its obligation to rewrite the codebase to make it fully compatible, and that those of us who've got 5.1 working have just been lucky. Other developers and software houses may be so keen to get their program out there for us to use that they're cutting corners and making do.
The makers of Pocket Informant claim that their newest version is compatible with WM5, when in fact it has several serious shortcomings that make me think it's probably anything but. (For example, how the hell do I dial a number from the contacts list without getting the stylus out?) In stark contrast, DeveloperOne - makers of my PIM of choice: Agenda Fusion - have yet to release a WM5-compatible version and I hope this means they're taking its porting seriously and that when they do eventually release it, we'll be able to rely on it to perform perfectly and not affect the Exec's performance at all. Unfortunately they must be losing customers in the meantime who are so desperate to replace the default Microsoft PIM that they'll try alternatives like Pocket Informant, despite PI's obvious weaknesses in comparison IMO.
I won't be buying PocketBreeze or PocketPlus until they work without slowing down my Exec. I'll never be buying PocketInformant. I'll wait patiently to buy AgendaFusion, even more sure that I made the right decision to choose the version I used on my XDA2.
Sorry - I'm getting on my soapbox a bit here and it's not really relevant to your post. :roll:
If you suspect that your apps aren't fully WM5 compatible then you could try using WM5's task manager to close them after you've used them so there's no risk of them slowing down your machine. Otherwise I'd really recommend letting WM5 handle its memory. If you're using any non-compatible Today plugins then I'd definitely recommend you find a way to live without them for a while since they'll kill your Exec's performance and ruin your enjoyment of the machine.
And I'd agree with gubbs' comments too: it's unforgivable of O2 to send out refurbished machines to new customers while charging full whack for them. At the worst they could send out refurb units as insurance/warranty replacements but absolutely not for new customers. Their customer service is pants and the 3G coverage is weak. The Exec, however, is a very, very good machine and future ROM upgrades and better third-party software will bring the software up to spec too.
At least, I hope so....

sub69 said:
The point about third-party software is the absolute number one cause of most people's problems around here. Developers SAY their software works on WM5, and that may indeed be true. But as far as I know, every single piece of software available on WM5 has actually been written for WM2003SE, and then modified to make it FUNCTION on WM5. None of it is really optimised for WM5 yet, and certainly none of it has been written specifically for WM5. Give it a bit of time, but for now, we're all running software which isn't really using the new OS properly...
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Spot on.

Cheers fellas. If only other forums produced such informative and timely replies.
Keep up the good work as I remove half the cack from my exec.
Oh anyone sussed a registry hack to allow the macromedia flash active-x work yet ?
Just me being pernickety as ever.

SiliconS has made some very good comments...
I must admit I've previously been one of those people who insists on nothing I'm not currently using should still be running. I've always hated the idea of smart minimise, especially when looking at all the amount of memory shutting them down seems to free up. Though, SiliconS has made me think about that, and I'm going to give the smart minimise thing a try, see how it pans out. Of course there are some apps that don't actually HAVE an "Exit" or "Quit" option, and that's where the only genuinely useful bit of O2 kit - the Task Manager - comes in useful.
I'm otherwise very impressed with the Exec. Basic mode has all the things that I need in it, though I still mourn the loss of the memory slider function in WM2003 giving me nearly 70MB resources like the 2i gave me.
Ditto re 3rd party software. I don't use Pocket Plus now (despite buying it for the xda / xda2 / xda2i), and only have PocketZenPhone (essential), Total Remote, TCPMP and TomTom 5.1 installed. I find, for my needs, that the stock PIM and default programs are better in 05 than 03SE and will need to be persuaded otherwise before investing in more apps.
Ant

Anton.Valleyman said:
SiliconS has made some very good comments...
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Thanks Mr Valleyman. I think that's a first!
Anton.Valleyman said:
I'm otherwise very impressed with the Exec. Basic mode has all the things that I need in it, though I still mourn the loss of the memory slider function in WM2003 giving me nearly 70MB resources like the 2i gave me.
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This is a function of the hardware, I think. There's no longer a single RAM whose allocation you can affect with the slider. On the plus side we now have persistent memory! Again, though, while it's reassuring to maximise the available system resources that the Exec reports and to see a nice big number like that, I've seen mine down as low as just 1MB program memory available and it's all still functioned perfectly. If WM5 needs more memory then it closes something in the background to get some.
Anton.Valleyman said:
Ditto re 3rd party software. I don't use Pocket Plus now (despite buying it for the xda / xda2 / xda2i), and only have PocketZenPhone (essential), Total Remote, TCPMP and TomTom 5.1 installed. I find, for my needs, that the stock PIM and default programs are better in 05 than 03SE and will need to be persuaded otherwise before investing in more apps.
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We have almost the same list of apps! Mad.
Yesterday I uninstalled PocketInformant in frustration at its clunky interface and so I'm back to using the default PIM. I'm reminded how basic and featureless it really is. I've just entered all the flights for a round-the-world holiday in February and on the week view all I see are a bunch of coloured blocks when there's so much potential to write some text in the blocks to show at a glance what they represent. Can't wait for AgendaFusion. I'd forgotten how much I depended on it.
Anyway, another thread hijack begins. :roll: Sorry stickeresq.

Windows Mobile 5 and Magician - Why

Since this has always been a "hot topic" on this forum, I have a simple question for all you Magician users.
What are the top 3 reasons you want it / don't want it for Magician.
Here's mine to start you off:
1. I don't want to be left behind
2. New Mobile 5 looks better
3. I want to be able to use charts in Pocket Excel
Let's avoid the WM5 upgrade saga again. We know we won't get an upgrade for Magician. Well, not until May at any rate. (!)

OK - Here's my why not:
1. WM2003SE is stable
2. It already does what I want
3. I can wait till I'm due for an upgrade from my network.

No WM5,
1. 2003 is stable
2. the screen is too small for specials
3. I can wait for a new provider offer (WM5 should be stable by then)

Why not WM5:
1. It's a lot slower, especially at starting programs
2. Not all software is yet WM5 compatible.
3. You have to buy the latest versions of many of your software to have it WM5 compatible. Most updates are not for free.
4. The Magician just doesn't have enough ROM to run WM5 properly

I can't think of any compelling reasons to switch to WM5 that are of a positive significance (btw, I can't count to 3):
-CF 2 works on both.
-Security signing is a pain in the bottom.
-It's slower.
-Ok it has some useful networking functions, but it loses wifi Activesyncing. WTF? Not to mention ActiveSync.
-WM5 interface, perhaps the most potentially useful idea with the softkeys, but inconsistent execution. And I have some ideas about bringing some of the benefits to Wm2003.
-I have the Magician and the Universal. I was just telling my better half about the Universal users' experience with dropping phone calls being able to answer. It's a beautiful device, but once again, what were they on?
Ok, too many others, I'm starting to http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/space/images/alien.jpg]sweat and convulse[/url]. Better stop for now.
V

With a device like the Magician where the size is more phone-ish than pda-ish, I'd be inclined to say that most people use it primarily is a mobile phone with the additional functionality of a PDA, MP3 player, etc.
I upgraded to the HTC Prophet just because I want to have the latest. But now that I had it for over 2 to 3 weeks I can say that I would never switch back to WM2003. Single-handed operation with WM5 is very easy, intuitive and practical to say the least.
And when the battery is really low, like less than 30%, I feel safer listenening to the last few MP3s, knowing that I will not lose anything when the battery goes flat.
With regards to performance, I find it suprising how people find loading prorams on Wm5 noticeably slower than WM2003. I was using my old magician yesterday and the performance is just about the same. Th onlt thing I found slower on WM5 is changing the SIP.
Plus, WM5 can do without 3rd party programs like Caller Id, Photo Contacts, etc. cause they are all integrated with the OS. For example, there were times when a picture that I assign to a contact won't show up during a call with the Magician. This never happened to me since I started using WM5. And since contact pictures are synchronised with Outlook I don't need to re-assign them again after a hard-reset.
Finally regarding stability, yes there is software that is not compatible with WM5 yet, but most of the best software is already compatible. I'm using the following software and never had to reset my PPC:
SPB Diary
Resco File Exporer 5
psShutXp
Hitchhiker
MDict
TKCreator
MS Voice Command
and a couple of games
Personally, I think it's quite a stable platform. The only thing that annoys me is that sometimes Wm5 (or the Prophet) loses the storage card after being on standby, and the media stored on it is not always immediately available. You'd have to wait those 3 sec sometimes. But this will hopefully be fixed in the next ROM update. If not, I'm still happy with the overall package
Just my 2cents!

Meh.
Hokay. Regarding WM5... I have never come across an OS that actually requires a file that YOU OWN signed by an EXTERNAL AUTHORITY instead of yourself, and that purposefully ignoring this warning to install said files doesn't necessarily mean it won't be blocked when you try to run it (goodbye backward compat). I thought this technology was strictly for web only.
Stick to WM2003, at least it has the decency to trust its own owner. -.-'

Re: Meh.
Ultimate Chicken said:
Hokay. Regarding WM5... I have never come across an OS that actually requires a file that YOU OWN signed by an EXTERNAL AUTHORITY instead of yourself, and that purposefully ignoring this warning to install said files doesn't necessarily mean it won't be blocked when you try to run it (goodbye backward compat). I thought this technology was strictly for web only. '
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I dont understand - what situation is this coming up?

Well, I have some games on my O2 Xda mini. I tried transferring them to my sister's new Atom.
Message I got from installing was the generic 'this program is not signed by a trusted source'. I ignored it and installed anyway.
But when I tried to run it, guess what? 'Program cannot be run because it is either not signed with a trusted certificate or some files are missing. Please reinstall...'. This was from an installer works perfectly on my Mini.
Did some research, Win Mobile 5.0 will also generate this error when you attempt to execute something with a DOS parameter at the back. It also blocks stuff that do not require installation; Scummvm 8.0 was halted with the same error message. I know the latest Windows OS's have File Execution Prevention but it was never as anal and obnoxious as to go 'I do not want to let it run. So there. Nyah.'

Seeking the Caller ID (Photo Contacts)
kta said:
Plus, WM5 can do without 3rd party programs like Caller Id, Photo Contacts, etc. cause they are all integrated with the OS. For example, there were times when a picture that I assign to a contact won't show up during a call with the Magician.
Just my 2cents!
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When I was using the I-Mate Jam (Magician) I really liked the "Photo Contacts" program they had, which was actually "Caller ID 1.6" allegedly from IA Styles of late. But it cannot seem to be found anywhere. I have looked from freeware sites to pirate sites and cannot find it. I downloaded and used "Photo Contacts 4.1" for a pretty penny, but it did not allow for animated .gif contact images. I REALLY liked that. Does anyone know where this program can be found? Can any of you remove and distribute it from your phone or from a ROM?

papakeithjenkins said:
When I was using the I-Mate Jam (Magician) I really liked the "Photo Contacts" program they had, which was actually "Caller ID 1.6" allegedly from IA Styles of late. But it cannot seem to be found anywhere. I have looked from freeware sites to pirate sites and cannot find it. I downloaded and used "Photo Contacts 4.1" for a pretty penny, but it did not allow for animated .gif contact images. I REALLY liked that. Does anyone know where this program can be found? Can any of you remove and distribute it from your phone or from a ROM?
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Why don't you download it from the xdadevs FTP server? There are the ExtRoms for Magician with the cab files.
But be careful, you seem to run a WM5 device, it might not run (and force you to hard reset)

Actually WM6
In reality I have upgraded my system to WM6 Pro now and I will let you all know how loading this cab on my Hermes does with WM6. I loved this program when it was running on my Magician (which I gave away to my friend/biz partner) and have tried Photo Contacts Pro 4.yada.yada, and was not happy with THAT. Even got a refund.
Thanks a bunch Dude

Only took a minute
I found it right where you said I would and downloaded it and installed it and soft reset and . . . when I tried to asign a photo it got a headache and gave me a message about being unable to use the program for somereason.
I unistalled it from the system and did another soft reset and while I don't have menu access to assign photos, I can open the edit screen on a contact and assign a photo there.
Maybe I should reload the program again and try accessing it from the Edit screen too? We shall see.
Otherwise, I think I shall attempt installing it on my wife's Blue Angel.

littld said:
We know we won't get an upgrade for Magician. Well, not until May at any rate. (!)
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what makes you think we will get an upgrade then ???
sorry n00b magician owner here only had it for a week
any tips?

Greatest 'Photo Contacts' ever
I installed the photo contacts on my wifes Blue Angel - WM2003 - and it was excellent - I only wish someone could make the same program work on my Hermes with WM6. It has the unique ability to use animated .gif images and I LOVE THAT!!!
If anyone could pull this one off I would be overjoyed. I have attached the version with which I am familiar. And if you can't make it work for WM6 - or WM5 - it already works on WM2003 really well. I have loaded it on a couple of Wallabies, a Magician with a new ROM and a Blue Angel - all with great joy in its application.
TIA,

littld said:
Let's avoid the WM5 upgrade saga again. We know we won't get an upgrade for Magician. Well, not until May at any rate. (!)
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what's happening in may!!!!!
why dont we have it yet?

PharaohSam said:
what's happening in may!!!!!
why dont we have it yet?
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As we can clearly see and hear from this video, there will be rain in may!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKKCmNVISwQ
"Rain in May, wipes your worries away"...

anti virus for O2 xda exec

Hi,
Can some one please suggest some antivirus software for O2 xda exec .
Thanks a lot in Advance
VJ

You don't need one. Nor for any other Pocket PC or smartphone - just be prudent about what you install or accept via IR or bluetooth and you'll be fine.
AVs waste resources and will probably never be called upon to protect your device from a threat. If such a threat does materialise, the AV will rely on regular updates to catch it - updating every week for years isn't worth the effort - backing up every week and restoring in case
is better because it needs to be done anyway and it protects against much more possibilities.
0-day viruses are a significant threat no AV has yet to adequately fend off and they are the most likely sort of threat a mobile device will face. Currently, there are free pocket AVs - but for how long?
Verdict: Snakeoil.

You don't really need it. PPC people are still not that popular to have viruses (if there is any). Rathre difficult to have one passing to another. If you really want, try this one (I think it is the only one)
google for "air scanner mobile"

all very good advice so far... however if you still want one try eTrust Antivirus which comes free with jasjar or go to:
http://www.clubimate.com/p-6792-etrusttrade-antivirus.aspx

there are others like Trendmicro Mobile Security 2.0, but you are all right. It is not necessary to install AV Software on PocketPCs right now.

thank you very much for all that usefull information

Pocket Mechanic (AntonTomov) - Installation problems

Hi,
I purchased the latest version of AntonTomov's PocketMechanic via Handango and received the registration key immediately after finished purchase procedure.
Installation on my TyTN seemed to work out first (the program accepted the key with a message box and a sound).
But only moments later a message box popped up, telling me I use a pirated version and should turn to the manufacturer, which I did (also mailed Handango).
Meanwhile tried to install PM several times (always removing all traces from both PC and TyTn incl. Registry and rebooted) - to no avail.
Meanwhile received a new serial, but same story again: first accepted and immediately afterwards aborted with Piracy message.
A new complaint mail is on ist way.
Meanwhile I'm asking here if anybody had similar problems in getting the Pocket Mechanics to work on a TyTN.
Appreciating feedback and will let te community know how it worked out for me.

I would not use or buy Tomov's products out of principal.
Found a lot of threads about earlier version doing a hard reset without asking, when inputted a "pirated" serial. So be glad it only shows a box nowdays.
While software piracy is not a good thing, at least for people developing propietary software. Tomov has used a bit too drastic measures to fight
back.

jeezus said:
I would not use or buy Tomov's products out of principal.
Found a lot of threads about earlier version doing a hard reset without asking, when inputted a "pirated" serial. So be glad it only shows a box nowdays.
While software piracy is not a good thing, at least for people developing propietary software. Tomov has used a bit too drastic measures to fight
back.
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This does not make me too comfortable :-(
I also read a few note about that on the net and a reply by Tomov, complaining that this is not true and only a campaign to cut him off his revenues.
Well, I do not know what to believe, however this uncertainty is also not too comfortable...
Well the Pocket Mechanic way of uses some hardware dependent functions and - if you dare to take use of such - you have to either be very careful and also prepared that they might not work on untested and after all very new (such as the TyTN) devices.
I was prepared for all of that but not that I receive a piracy mail (which somewhat alsmost accuses you of being a software pirate and telling you to mail to [email protected]) when I purchased the software (which I can also prove).
Maybe he uses some hardware related mechanism to check eligibility of the serial and as he hasn't tested yet the TyTN (which he admits) this software won't allow being registered at all. I do not know.
But isn't such a meachanism pure over-kill ?
Actually something like that must be going on as I receive this pop up also after a new install and having purged all remnants from the PC, the PDA and the registry.
If I'd be trying out serials just at random, would anyone think that I'll millions of times do that complete procedure just to find any working key at the end of my life maybe ???
(And if I'd be a professional hacker I'd disassemble the code and be able to work around even these barriers.)
So, applying over-kill measures like that only brings problems to decent users, risking to run into problems when using special configurations or ne devices.
+++
Apart from that I must say that Tomov's applications seem well coded and also graphically very nice (one wonders how graphically nice application you can program for PDAs; shame upon Microsoft for their pre-installed poor applications !!!).
Also I see no real alternatives for some functionality he provided within one software, that's why I purchased the PM.
Finally again my question:
Has anyone encountered the same problems with the PM on a HTC TyTN ?
(btw: Thanks "jeezus" for your feedback.)

Might I inquire which funktionality you need?
Maybe we can find an alternative solution.

Thank you mods!

Awesome! A Shift section of its own. Now if we can just get our hands on some working models.
I'm hopeful someone can crack the stupid dumbed down version of WM that HTC is installing and figure out how to get WM6 on this beauty. The two dumbest things I've read so far are that a.) the PDA side can't access the SD card slot (that's even more idiotic than not being able to access the hard drive IMO), and the SnapVue program itself. I understand their desire to save licensing costs, but the whole decision to isolate the PDA side sounds like a deal they made with the telecoms - forcing the PDA side to only interact with the laptop side only through the telecom's system (where they can charge you with a data plan) is idiotic. Personally, I expect to use this device as a stand-alone laptop and not even use the 3G/HSPDA - I've already got that on my Trinity and paying for two full data plans makes zero sense. If anything, I'd like to do a BT modem lash-up through my phone.
If anyone's looking for some ideas to hack this thing, my personal wish list is:
1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
2.) Unlock the SD card for the PDA side
3.) Unlock the hard drive for the PDA side (this would be HUGE)
Just imagine - you're on a flight, you watch a full movie on the PDA side off an SD card, using low battery consumption, then in the airport you tap into the WiFi and log into your work network to get work done, then later at the hotel you plug in and do some real work on the laptop side. Add in checking your push email on the cab ride to your hotel (PDA side, full keyboard) if you choose the HSPDA activation. That's my dream machine! now if I only knew enough code to make it happen! <grin>
Mike

Having been in the postion of carrying around (for several years)
a good data PDA (this means a Psion)
and a phone
and a Windows Mobile PDA (often an XDA so that makes for 2 devices total)
I have been waiting for Mr Shift to arrive since its first showing in early 2007.
In November the PDF manuals were available from FCC ... what a total disappointment. Did somebody from Apple join HTC? Did they close the architecure at every possible moment ... We need at least:
a) Ability to run full WM6
b) Ability to install any WM6 application
c) Ability to use it as a (very large) telephone
d) Ability to let the PDA part of the Shift be able to access the local Vista and a remote Windows machine
Many people (like me) use their Windows mobile PDA to act as a bridge from their work outlook (probably server) and their home Outlook standalone.
Currently my XDA's or equivalent forms that important link from my Work calendar, tasks and contacts, and my home calendar, tasks and contacts.
Any PDA replacement needs to be able to at least do that!
e) If using a 3G SIM and appropriate data plan then access via this to the Interweb from both PDA and PC sides.
The Shift would seem to make a pretty decent UMPC and it includes a keyboard, but as-is it seems the PDA function and the phone function are an insult to ones intelligence.
Sorry about the grumpy post!

we all
Hi,
No need to appologise.
I think we all feel the same about is.
The choises HTC made make no sence at all and make the PDA side of the shift nothing more than some kind of side-show.
Like everyone else I´d like a FULL pda side. With all normal apps (including office). Doing without phone capabilities might not keep me form buying the shift but if it has not got full pda functionality then it is totaly uninteresting. I would buy a small notebook with longer battery life. (and with XP for that matter).
So it´s time for the guys at HTC to wake up!
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah

Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi,
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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How I agree!
Huib

I agree with everyone that the droned down version of this device sucks, but don't blame HTC. Blame vaporware maker Dualcor for their once great idea and not can't be found Dualcor PPC. It was suppose to run windows, and windows mobile and be a phone. After some time, they realized they couldn't do the phone thing and eventually the product, to my knowledge, was never fully released. HTC can't put the full version of windows mobile to due copyright infringment. Dualcor even stated it.
http://www.dualcor.com/
The link will take you to their website and if you read through, it was innovative and great and never really came about.
Can you truly blame HTC for doing the right thing and infringing? I would love for HTC to take Dualcor to court.
In an old saying that applies to dualcor, "either sh*t or get off the pot!"
Just my two cents. Flame away!

dont worry
hey we have a forum here (the best darn forum in the world) n boy we will get this device to perform as we want to. it may take time and help from the gurus out there but it WILL be done so lets just get our wallets / purses at the ready and hope htc release the shift this decade??

landshark said:
1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
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Uhm... SnapVue is just a name HTC came up with... what it *actually* is, is just a little DLL they wrote that overlays the WM6 taskbars so that you can't tap on them... I know because I've already gotten my hands on the relevant material and ported SnapVue to the Athena... what's more, I've also patched the DLL so that it doesn't disable the taskbars any more... assuming we can use Activesync to do our dirty business for us in terms of getting new certificates on the damn thing (failing that it'll be SPL hacking time) then it won't be a problem.
the proper Vista OS is interesting too... it's actually deployed in a bastardised sort of Symantec Ghost image type thing, but it weighs in at 8GB so there's not a bloody chance in hell you'll be seeing updates to this in their entirety.

Hey guys I'm new to this forum and everything that you guys do here(so if you could use a little patients with me i would appreciate it), but this forum has helped me to do some cool things with my htc titan, and for that i thank you. Now i ask you what kind of mods do you think will come out for the shift? There are some great developers here that can do some cool things, and from reading this topic do i correctly gather that it is possible to put wm6 on the shift, and it is impossible to put xp on the shift? sorry for the long post, but one last thing. What service provider and plan would be offered for the shift or what would be best for the shift?