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Yep, I'm seriously thinking of selling my JAM on Ebay now so I can still get close to what I paid for it. I have spent far too long messing with this device to get it to do what it's suppossed to do. And I've spent far too much money purchasing software that should have been included with the JAM in the first place. (even the bloody 6315 came with a battery monitor)
I also think that this is not a problem with simply the Imate JAM.... it's a problem with all MS based PPC's. I'm more pissed off with the fact that Imate cannot provide adequate customer support for their devices. I think that similar to my 6315 (Which sucks as well) that there is not going to be a forthcoming patch or ROM that is actually going to make everything work. 1.3 mega pixel camera, my ***! The camera on the JAM can't take a decent picture to save it's life. The GPRS on the new ROM is useless. And in general, the JAM device is too quiet, unstable, and is made by a company who doesn't give a toss about its customers or it's products. (They don't even read their own forums to help out their customers).
I, like a lot of people, recently signed up for hosted MS exchange server to get push e-mail on the JAM. Well, it's nice when the GPRS works. What the hell is the point of having Push e-mail if the phone has to be reset to get a connection?
Am I going crazy here? I just want a device that is and does what it's meant to! -That's why it's so annoying, I can watch StarWars on my phone, but I can't check my e-mail or correctly type in a PIN code without errors......now that's ****ed up!!
I'm sure that there are people out there who are expriencing an amazing relationship with their PPC's -But am I wrong in thinking that we're all getting screwed by devices that are inherently flawed? If I bought a car, stereo, or TV that had this many problems I would have taken it back on the first day. Are we all being too accepting of our BETA projects. I'm getting tired of being the guinnee pig for these phone manufacturers who try to put their product on the market as fast as they can without fully testing them and then fail to provide adequate support for the fools who purchased them.
In my case, the JAM definitely meets my expectations and also exceeds them in many ways. To start with, it's been running stable since I installed the Qtek ROM ver 1.11 a couple of months ago. It never hangs and rarely requires a soft reset. I sometimes soft reset just to clear some memory.
It's a full featured PDA in the size of a mobile phone, which is exactly what I was after. The quality of the camera may not be that good, but 1.3 Megapixel is about the size of the picture not the quality. I had a Sony Ericsson P900 before the JAM and the quality of the camera was much worse.
From the software side of things, there's a lot of FREEWARE software available, including battetry monitors. The software available for the competition (i.e. Symbian), is far more limited!
In my opinion, the JAM was a good buy and as yet I don't think there's a replacement for it (convergence devices in a reasonable size!). I used to change my mobile phone every 4 to 6 months. But this time, I think I'll only replace the JAM with JAM2
Basically, you're right. I wouldn't sell the device though, because it delivers the most features from all mobile phones. You can have decent navigation, great games (TombRaider etc.), watch music, have a good music player and great other applications. It's like a PC and it's basically what i expected: You can watch movies but it doesn't ring reliably every morning. My PC does the same stuff, the same kind of problem - it's not mobile phone - just a small PC with a phone application.
I assure you that you won't find a phone with that amount of features that currently runs more stable than MS Phone Edition device. If you want stability - choose one of the old Nokias. They are stable, reliable, good phones - and extremely boring. If you want all features in your pocket - take the Magician. There just is no device with the best of both worlds! Get used to it.
By the way - the full featured (and not upgradeable) phones sold today are even worse with regards to their reliability and stability.
IMO hp dropped the ball with their h63xx, wanting to have the device out asap caused alot of troubles and angry customers.
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Used to have the GPRS problem (Qtek 1.11WWE ROM) it's now gone (using i-mate 1.11WWE). The camera is still lousy (way worse than the Nokia's 1.3MP cameras) I think this is a hardware issue also (maybe they used cheaper sensors on it?).
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as for i-mate's support it is one of the worst I've had the displeasure of going thru (or not going thru for that matter). I'm very thankful for communites that really fill the gap (i.e. this one!!!)
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I'm happy with my JAM been using a PPC for almost 3 years I've accepted it's short comings as well as it's value... remember the i-mate JAM is a PocketPC first and a phone second. Sure there is alot of room for improvement in the platform especially the UI (it could be simpler and more one-handed friendly; MS says WM5.0 will address this but I think we'd have to wait for 6.0 or 7.0 to really have a refined OS). maybe it is time for you to explore another communication device. maybe a symbian s60 device which is a decent smartphone (used to own a Nokia 7610 and it was a pretty decent phone). i understand ur frustration and the best way to show it is with ur wallet. i'm sure you won't be buying an i-mate next time... hope u find a device that will suite ur needs. goodluck!
After The Upgrade
After the upgrade the camera is less grainy in flourescent situations, but more clear and sharp on outdoor shoots. I'm not going to sell this baby, looks are superb and hardware response is excellent just keep in mind to get a ultra fast SD card like what I did with my Sd which is a Kingston 512MB no delays no hangs and no need to soft reset.
Trinity is a fine device as far as a Pocket PC based on a Shaky MS Windows OS can be. You cannot criticize it so much on speed or most of the function it carries (After all, it is not a Laptop). But there are some serious flaws with it which one cannot ignore, I paid £360=$750 for mine which makes it quite an expensive PPC, therefore making these flaws worse than usual:
1- BLUE for BLUETOOTH
Considering the fact that one of its main usages is for listening to music and that it would be nice to be able to use a BT Headset to do that, the fact that the crappy BT on Trinity is very unreliable and does not work in many instances, would be a great disadvantage on this. I bought a Sony DR-BT10CX Bluetooth Stereo Headset for £30 and I was very disappointed to see that it is not working (Works as a Hands-Free But not a Wireless Headset). Since I managed to somehow make it work twice (though I have gone through the steps for 3 days now to no avail), I would conclude that this is not the BT Headset's Fault (So, I cannot return it), nor the Trinity's Hardware is faulty, but a stupid Software Glitch. By The Way – I would appreciate it if anyone can suggest a solution
2- PAIN of PAINT
The mere fact that over 90% of the people say that the pain is Peeling Off, is just painful. What kind of a stupid flaw is that? A device so sophisticated and complicated and they manage to mess it up over a simple painting process.
Also, I have tried to use Skype, but as soon as I try to call someone, it just shuts down the Skype. I believe that I am not the first person to have had such a problem. However, software conflicts are unfortunately quite normal when it comes to PPCs. I can live with that. But the PAINT & BLUETOOTH just bug me so much.
Anyway, when you pay a heck-load of money for something, you expect better in the basics. I just hope HTC solves these in the near future. For starters, I would say, work the damn BT problem, then even if you are going to use the stupid unreliable plastic casing, just do a better job with the painting. It is not rocket-science.
hi there, I don't know that much about the bluetooth problems, but I can confirm that I didn't get my hama-blurtooth dongle to do a sync via BT with my trinity either. But the usb-ActiveSync works fine (if I shut down the firewall for a while...) and is faster anyway!
concerning skype: what version did you try? the latest 2.2 for windows mobile didn't work on my device either. But the skype for mobile 2.1 version runs fine incl. telephone function. The video-call won't work on the trinity anyway - too much resources needed by skype at this time... but chatting or talking is fine, too.
PS: I have a vodafone vpa compact gps with the standard WM5 rom still on it. Didn't need the WM6 yet..
Cheers, S.
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Trinity is a fine device as far as a Pocket PC based on a Shaky MS Windows OS can be.
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You hit the nail. It's based on that Shaky M$ whatever. As a corollary, other MS based devices also suffer most of your problems inevitably. Perhaps it's time for you to switch to iphone
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1- BLUE for BLUETOOTH
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It's quite well known that BT headphones especially those stereo ones are quite picky on the phone combinations. I heard that even on nokia and se compatibility is still a problem. Not to mention that crappy MS BT stack on almost *ALL* HTC WM5/6 phones. Try do some research before buying - there's no direct indication that an expensive headset would automagically work on your trinity, and vice versa.
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2- PAIN of PAINT
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That's HTC stupid problem, I agree.
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Also, I have tried to use Skype, but as soon as I try to call someone, it just shuts down the Skype.
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Skype for Samsung CPU is still in beta. That means it may or may not work. I don't think Trinity users are alone on this one. Probably you should complain to Skype instead.
iphone
Actually, I gave it a serious though - Getting an IPod - the thing is that I really needed the GPS function, and I didn't see IPhone offering that. Besides that, I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
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hi there, I don't know that much about the bluetooth problems, but I can confirm that I didn't get my hama-blurtooth dongle to do a sync via BT with my trinity either. But the usb-ActiveSync works fine (if I shut down the firewall for a while...) and is faster anyway!
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I had a similar issue with the toshiba bluetooth built into my laptop. I needed to change a key in the laptop registry and then instead of serial port, the phone saw it as activesync on the bluetooth settings.
Then it worked for activesync.
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Actually, I gave it a serious though - Getting an IPod - the thing is that I really needed the GPS function, and I didn't see IPhone offering that. Besides that, I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
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Of course you will have to use wired headphones driving car, because of the crippled Bluetooth in the iPhone. You can only play games, that Steve allows you to play. You want to receive MMS... no chance. Record a video ... forget about it.
Technology-Wise its an outdated gadget... but the design and the gui are smart....
you guys REALLY think iphone is an alternative?????
- you can't use memory cards
- you can't change the battery (jesus christ)
- only apple (will) make software
- GPS ... hahah
- no available software at all
- and many other things... i wonder if you can just upload an mp3 and play it, maybe you have to use itunes to buy it. I indeed wonder if you can upload "anything" into the phone
iphone is a cute expensive phone, nothing more than that. maybe 10 years ago i would be impressed. not now.
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you guys REALLY think iphone is an alternative?????
- you can't use memory cards
- you can't change the battery (jesus christ)
- only apple (will) make software
- GPS ... hahah
- no available software at all
- and many other things... i wonder if you can just upload an mp3 and play it, maybe you have to use itunes to buy it. I indeed wonder if you can upload "anything" into the phone
iphone is a cute expensive phone, nothing more than that. maybe 10 years ago i would be impressed. not now.
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iPhone is well iPhone. I do agree on the flaws. But its just a simple phone that gets to the point. Same goes for MacOS X , a simple system that just works. Common , we all admit that if you install 50000 tons of software inside your PPC , it makes it unstable etc....But I still can't understand why people still love to skin their PPCs to be an iPhone Clone. I still dont understand that part
PPC is well PPC Phone and iPhone is well iPhones. PPC is out there for soo many years and iPhone is new to the market. I am not against PPC nor defending Apple
I would just like to point that out
I loved the Trinity and I wish I still had it.
I beat the hell out of that phone and not a speck of paint ever came off mine.
I am thinking of getting the P3600i or the Polaris, thats how much I miss it.
Can't believe people would cry over the paint peeling THAT much... It's just right at the bottom right? Somewhere that can't be seen like 99% of the time... (it's like crying over a pimple where the sun don't shine )
I don't know what's wrong with the bluetooth, but using the SE HBH-DS970, I really can't see what the problem is? I admit it does require abit of tweaking to get the sound to go perfect, but that's a matter of minutes, once off.
To compare the device with iPhone or even an iPod (wtf?!) is... simply an insult... (for the reasons listed by above posters)
You really gotta read these forums more coz I'm sensing you haven't even scratched the potential of this phone...
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Can't believe people would cry over the paint peeling THAT much... It's just right at the bottom right? Somewhere that can't be seen like 99% of the time... (it's like crying over a pimple where the sun don't shine )
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Not complaining about my Trinity, it is doing all i require of it, but the paint peeling off is not just restricted to one part, its all of the anodised bit. i am loosing balck across the bottom and up both sides, near the buttons. Lay mine on the desk and the bottom edge looks decidedly scruffy and that's on a device thats less than four months old. Given its retail value it really should last longer before looking scruffy around the edges.
Don't compare a locked hypy Iphone to a customizable and complete PPC
I agree that comparing Trinity to the Hype-crap Iphone is an insult.
The Iphone lacks some essential functions as listed by above posters.
It's good looking, it's hypy, it's user-friendly, OK, but in terms of functionalities, and compatibility with softs, games etc. it's an old out-dated apple-locked phone.
Some one pointed out the fact that PPC users like to customize their device to make it look like an Iphone. Yep, so what?
Do you really think that means that those people dont want to enjoy their GPS, MMS, Video-recording, Tons of games and personalized softwares and tweaks anymore?
I don't think so, it's just that they think (like everybody) that the Iphone has a fresh-good-looking and hypy appearance... but unfortunately, only that.
So they take out what they like in it, and they can do so because, the PPC is easy to customize and modify ;-)
Do you know why Iphone users don't put a PPC like GPS, MMS service, video recording, all the games and softs they envy us on their device?
Because... they just CAN'T do it until Papa-Job decides to allow them to.
To conclude, about the paint-peeling issue, I believe this is a disapointing point on the Trinity and I sympathize with people suffering from that, but...
It doesn't seem to be a problem on the WHITE devices, only the black ones as I've heard. At least my white one doesn't have such a problem.
And since Apple fan-boys love the white color, I really don't see what could make them prefer the Iphone, except fidelity and obediance...
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Not complaining about my Trinity, it is doing all i require of it, but the paint peeling off is not just restricted to one part, its all of the anodised bit. i am loosing balck across the bottom and up both sides, near the buttons. Lay mine on the desk and the bottom edge looks decidedly scruffy and that's on a device thats less than four months old. Given its retail value it really should last longer before looking scruffy around the edges.
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Oh I see, I didn't understand it was that bad.... my top and sides aren't affected at all, it's only the bottom coz I keep putting it onto the cradle.
But I've only had my phone for about 3 months, no case no nothing.
It's alright, i can't imagine myself disliking the phone even if the paint's peeling like that.
the paint thing is plain stupid on a piece of kit like this. It starts as small specks falling off, now I'm in the same position as others- big chunks coming off all over the metal part. Looks very messy.
I'm tempted to peel the lot off so at least it's one colour (chrome).
I logged a call with Orange ages ago and no response.
This is the best device so far- all I can think is if you see those issues as showstoppers, you probably haven't worked out all you can do with it!
I don't want to send mine off for repair. Going a day without it would be hard, weeks impossible.
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...I am sure IPhone is a better and wiser choice. Both Technology-Wise and Money-Wise ...
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Money-wise?! You gotta be kiddin' me
I hate to see these threads disappear into iphone praising/bashing, but I'm going to join in.
WM is chronically flawed, and appears to be making zero progress in the right direction. I use it on my trinity, because thats the best solution for me, today.
The Trinity is a nice piece of hardware, appears well engineered and very well featured, WM6 is a dissapointment.
The iphone bashing revolves around a few points, video - I would be surprised if a soft update doesn't sort this in the next few months. MMS, yes it should be there, and will be in a few months. GPS, will be in the 2G model, the technology is still quite immature for mobile applications Apple will be looking for much quicker aquisitions, something not really cracked yet. Finally 3G, the reason its not there is beause it wouldn't fit. Apple designs products with the user in mind, not the technology. Probably 3 years ago they sketched out it should be this shape and work like this, today its possible as the current iphone.
Applications as treated on WM make sense in a desktop enviroment, they dont on a mobile phone. They should be web based apps executing in a protected enviroment a widget type interface will link them into the phone UI as needed. These apps should be about communication anyway not standlone installations.
I honestly find it remarkable the lack of vision as to where this technology is heading, and how its going to be taken to the masses. Think of a 'facebook' phone. The technology is going to start making its way towards the mainstream, its going to be traumatic for the networks as they awaken to the fact their role is simply to provide a gateway, their old fashioned revenue streams simply aren't feasible anymore, much as the landline telco's discovered a few years back. There will be a lot of wingeing from them.
WM died sometime ago, a few have failed to realise, I get the impression even Microsoft have worked this out.
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iPhone is well iPhone. I do agree on the flaws. But its just a simple phone that gets to the point. Same goes for MacOS X , a simple system that just works.
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About IPHONE... well yea... it's just a "simple $500 phone".
About MacOS I dont' agree about it being a simple OS. It is a really well built OS. I'm a windows user since Windows 2.0, I also work with Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris systems. Recently I bought a MacBook Pro to give it a try, as it is a well-built laptop. I have to say it really surprised me. The new MacOS is really a Unix system, a fancy linux. In fact, is a window manager over the FreeBSD unix. If you know Unix you can tweak the hell out of it. If you dont, well you can use MacOS as a dummy simple OS.
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Applications as treated on WM make sense in a desktop enviroment, they dont on a mobile phone. They should be web based apps executing in a protected enviroment a widget type interface will link them into the phone UI as needed. These apps should be about communication anyway not standlone installations.
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Dude, interesting post... Im working in the embedded market software (IPTV) for 6 years now, and I agree with some of your thoughts. About this one I quote, I dont neccessarily agree you need web-based apps, because of the overhead and memory footprint of a web platform. I think the best architecture is also split in two layers, I accept the widget-type interface, but with communication with a native, frontendless module.
Apple did not invent this. Multi layer applications are in use in Unix systems since X was born, circa 1980.
when dose the paint start peeling off? It think its a great little piece of kit
between iPhone and Trinity, I'll still pick trinity..I will only buy the iPhone when my iPod dies off and i'll use the iPhone as my iPod..My paint peels off at the bottom where the stylus is..suppose it could have been rubber or plastic there..but even so i don have much trouble with it..unstable WM is, it is still much much better than a N6280 which hangs more often than i can use it..anyway..with WM6..its much stable..I'll buy the trinity anytime!
Hi Ppl,
I new here and new to PDA as well. After see everything in the market...
I have really liked the Atom Life.....But There seem to be quite few bad reviews about the Phone......So is worth getting the phone......
@tazzak m8 firstly hi and lemme say one thing that i surely feel what you are going through right now that is exactly what i felt in august (at the time of my buying the LIFE)
you know since then i have actually wondered and awed at why the LIFe got such reviews .... since my buying this phone which had come with the WM6 official ROM installed (though i have upgraded it twice officially since then) i have had no problems NO PROBLEMS what so ever...
though i surely have a few qualms that guys at O2 could have had an icing to the cake with a 128MB RAM (though this is not any slower) and the other complain is that all hardware vendors should do something bout the Batteries as these PPCs are huge power hogs due to their large screens it seems but then even with my Nokias i charge them daily (with regular use)
in the end i must say that my choice has never been a regret for me !
welcome to the world of Windows Mobile ;-)
How are the Speakers on it OK?
I usually use the spaeker phone for calls most of the time......
just dont buy this devise
The speakerphone is OK, but the volume isn't high enough to use it as a car handsfree. If you're in a room without much noise you should be good. I am very satisfied with mine, but they do have their quirks. Like a crappy original battery. Get one of the cheap batteries available on eBay, it will actually work better than the original. The original has problems with restarts on incoming call if they are too low on power (which means everything below 50 %).
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The speakerphone is OK, but the volume isn't high enough to use it as a car handsfree. If you're in a room without much noise you should be good. I am very satisfied with mine, but they do have their quirks. Like a crappy original battery. Get one of the cheap batteries available on eBay, it will actually work better than the original. The original has problems with restarts on incoming call if they are too low on power (which means everything below 50 %).
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Yup! agree should try it out before getting it. O2 Atom Life has its flaws
Like all PDA phones I've ever had. I actually started with an extremely primitive Motorola "smartphone" and have followed the development of more and more advanced models, along with straight PDA's from the PocketLoox and beyond, until they really converged. Not one of them has been without flaws, and strangely enough all forums I have been at seems to think that their phone brand is the only one with problems! (Like people with PocketLoox complaining about the bluetooth and that Ipaqs got a lot more updates. So I bouht an update. And found out that the reason it got more updates was that it had more problems, not just with bluetooth but other things as well!)
sounds like the phone gives a pain in the ass.
Just my opinion. been using O2 life for 4 mths now. Like most new phone/pda, I will start to install lots of stuff. Cause me lots of headache with auto off , drop call etc. Battery last less than 1 day. I have reformat and install only what I need. 1 whole month without any problem. The thing is, just install what you need and the world will be a beautiful place
I have a special way of doing this: I do a full setup of the Atom with all programs I use and all settings except contacts and appointments. Then I do a full backup with SPB Backup. In a month or so the unit wil start to mess with me (the first sign is usually that it won't charge in the cradle, connected to the PC, only in a regular charger). Then I do a hard reset and restore the backup. It takes 10 minutes to do this, and I have a virginal phone again. I have of course set camera and other things to save to the memory card. This way memory leaks and other annoyances can be stopped very fast!
Great phone - and other things
Like you, I read the negative reviews but there wasn't a device out there that somone didn'nt like. I bit the bullet and upgraded my XDA II Mini which was OK but I had some gripes with and bought my new Life. It's been a great device with absolutely no problems. It even works well as a speakerphone but my car is pretty quiet. Simple solution - run the phone through your stereo, either using an FM transmitter or plug it in and you'll have no problems hearing.
My phone is very stable but I do agree that the stock battery life is crappy.
Highly recommended.
Actually, Atom Life is an excelent device but it has its flaws. What made it a bad device is because of the support. Most problems faced by customers are not solved. Instead, customers are asked to hard reset as the solution.
O2 Asia is terrible. The new company, MGW seems to be no different. It has been about 4 months MGW existed but their web page remain unfinish. This is mainly because the CEO is the same person.
If I ever change my PDA, I'll go for HTC. Why? O2 Xda II mini which is O2 Asia bestselling device is made by HTC, or better known as Magician.
MWg is selling a newer version which comes with WM6 pre-installed. Does anyone have that version? Is it any better?
Mobileplanet / Expansys is selling it at 399 which makes it a great deal IMHO.
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MWg is selling a newer version which comes with WM6 pre-installed. Does anyone have that version? Is it any better?
Mobileplanet / Expansys is selling it at 399 which makes it a great deal IMHO.
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I am selling this phone cheaper. I am using it and I really like Atom Life, especially since the 1900 3G works well with AT&T in the US.
Hi
I am currently using a O2 Mini S / HTC wizard and love it.
For the past few years, I have just upgraded and sold the phone on Ebay... now I have been offered this :
600 mins + 1000 texts (dont care about)... and unlimited internet! for £20 a month.
I have been offered a variety of phones including the Nokia 5800 and LG renoir... or if I spend £100, I can get a x1.
I just have no idea.
I went to a shop to take a look and find it generally ok, but I think the keyboard feels a bit... bad...
My wizard only has a 1.3Mp camera, but I am very happy with it. It does not lie... if I see a picture on the screen, I press the button and it takes fast. Is the camera here better than the wizard?
Anyway, I have an Exchange server, and just love the way it syncs.
The other thing I was thinking of is getting the nokia and selling it, then using the sim card in my wizard, however it is not 3g, and obviously really slow.
All I read here is people upgrading / reflashing their X1, is it really that bad?
I am just in two minds and have no idea what to do. What would you do?... should I wait for HTC touch Pro 2?
Thanks
William
MY PERSONAL OPINION
Hated the X1 at first, was all hyped up and everyone was raving about how good it will be and it just wasnt so
It WAS slow, USED to crash all the time, and the ui was appauling. I mean i nearly got rid of it several times and even through it across the house once cause it crashed during a very important call.
Now its awesome!
The update has made a huge difference, the software, tweaks and addons supplied by the users of this site along with other sites have made the X1 into a really powerful piece of kit.
YOU CANNOT get it out of the box and fall in love it takes some tweaking to customise it to your exact spec and needs.
Trust me its not easy at first but it will get better as you use it more. Plus more updates and tweaks from all users that i am VERY GRATEFULL for will make it even better.
just my opinion
I dont think the x1 keyboard is bad, it takes time to get used to any small keyboard - and/or the keyboard beds in - either way I find the keyboard fine now.
The camera has never been much good on my X1 - loads of lag and blurred pictures in low light, that could be a hardware problem - there are some roms with a new leaked cam from the R3 firmware which SE has not released yet, I dont know if this is better or not - any others comment?
I like everything else about the X1.
I'm another one that hated the phone....but it was my first smartphone.I had used Sony Ericsson phones for years and couldn't wait for it.
Was sooo disappointed until I found XDA....and then learned about flashing, and then....YOU WILL PRIZE MY X1 OUT OF MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!
I'm using Jack's ROM which I love (Mainly because TFL3D fitted my personality)
My only complaint is that it can't play Xvid's natively (They require conversion).
I will hang around and get an X2 (Whatever it may be) as long as they keep the same size phone and resolution. (Iphone is too large width wise)
I think X1 is good WM phone, if not the best.
But I realized WM is poor operating system for phone, if not the worst.
I bought X1 2 weeks before Palm Pre announcement. If I could decide now, I would leave my old stupid phone and unconnected PDA .. and I would wait.
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Was sooo disappointed until I found XDA....and then learned about flashing, and then....YOU WILL PRIZE MY X1 OUT OF MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!
I'm using Jack's ROM which I love (Mainly because TFL3D fitted my personality)
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I have heard so many people say this and I am just thinking, I should wait for the HTC touch pro, that would require no hacking to get this working...
The only real positive I can see for having the X1 is the screen, but the HTC pro 2 is also a high res screen... and being newer, it is more likly to have WM 6.5 in the future.... I know there are so many hacks here, but I would prefer to go via the manufacturer.
At the end of the day, a X1 will cost me £460 in 18 months time, where as having a 5800 or renoir will cost £360, or if I choose just to take sim only, probably around £40... I think I will not take a phone and in a years time, I will probably be able to get a HTC touch pro 2 or x1 on ebay for a fraction of the price.
Thanks to the guides here, I opened up my Wizard and was able to fix the vibrator so it really is perfect for me... I would LOVE to have 3g and check my email on the moove, but I have survived years without it... oh well!
I am still in two minds, but anyway...
If I remember correctly, the Wizard has Edge, right? If your operator (or another one) provides it, I think this is a good option in the mid term. It's almost as fast as the first version CDMA, only the latency is much higher.
Regarding the Touch Pro 2, it will be larger than the X1, quite a brick actually. It's actually a Touch HD with the thickness of the X1 - you can get an idea of it when you compare the two devices in a store. The Touch HD has quite a large screen area, but is not as thick as the X1. The X1 has a smaller area though. Combine the two, and you will get the Touch Pro 2. If you think you can put that into your pocket (together with its weight), then it may be the most powerful device that is upcoming. My impression is, that the Touch Pro 2's keyboard will be great and lot's better than the X1s.
The X1 keyboard is bad by the way, but you can learn how to write with it at acceptable speed. My Hermes keyboard was way better though.
Is it just me or everyone had a problem with X1's keyboard? When I push a button I either can't get any character or I get triple... where can I change the repeat rate and/or sensitivity?
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MY PERSONAL OPINION
Hated the X1 at first, was all hyped up and everyone was raving about how good it will be and it just wasnt so
It WAS slow, USED to crash all the time, and the ui was appauling. I mean i nearly got rid of it several times and even through it across the house once cause it crashed during a very important call.
Now its awesome!
The update has made a huge difference, the software, tweaks and addons supplied by the users of this site along with other sites have made the X1 into a really powerful piece of kit.
YOU CANNOT get it out of the box and fall in love it takes some tweaking to customise it to your exact spec and needs.
Trust me its not easy at first but it will get better as you use it more. Plus more updates and tweaks from all users that i am VERY GRATEFULL for will make it even better.
just my opinion
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You threw it across the house and it's still working!? Well, so someone has tested that the X1 can survive a big drop.
Fully agree with the first reply: Used to have Symbian business-phones like P1i, all Communicators which came perfect out of the box, I thought after unpacking the X1 and started it first time that X1 is a peace of crap. But never give up too early:
Found this wonderful site and started learning, tweaking and flashing my X1, and after several mistrials I ended up with cHarOns fast&lite rom, adding MS-voice command, Sprite backup, XTract and several nice apps, and it is now running like a charme. No reboots, no dropped calls, and everybody who gets a hand on my phone is really impressed.
I believe WinMob is NOT and will never be best for phones or handhelds, but if you like to fumble and make experiments, you jumped on the right train.
Huhh, experiments with a business phone? Yap, that is what gives you xperiance!
let me see... lousy camera
special keyboard producing triples or spaces or no spaces
slowness
high price
poor support (at least for my area )
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let me see... lousy camera
special keyboard producing triples or spaces or no spaces
slowness
high price
poor support (at least for my area )
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I loved it to begin with but hated windows mobile. Flashed the touch it rom and the phone is so much better, wouldn't trade my x1 for anything
You don't even need to tweak your phone to get touch flo 3d, you can install it as a cab and it becomes just another today item.
I love the phone so much. I definitely would have got the touch pro 2 if I could because I used to be used to the universal so a chunky phone was not a problem for me! However, having experienced the X!... its just a beautiful piece of hardware! Aethetics rarely interests geeks but once you get used to how it feels, the way it slides open, etc. I just love it. The keyboard is not great but definitely looks amazing and you can put it in your pocket and forget about it.
Definitely getting the x1 again if I am starting all over again...
There is no other phone on the market now that could think of to replace it with...
With the new roms I love it even more.
Have been using it since Oct, no regrets.
I think owning this phone just proved to me that 1. convergence is a very bad idea -- definitely carry separate devices for everything; and that 2. I'd be much happier with an iPhone.
So no, I'll probably just sell my three-month old X1 for 1/3 of the price I paid, because people are already refusing to pay anymore for a used one.
Did I mention the headphone jack left unsightly scratches on the plugs of every pair of headphones I own?
First I liked it... did loads of research and then went to a shop picked it up and played with it... loved the display...
Now I love it... never leaves my side and its simply indispensible... The keyboard does take some getting used to and I did have to upgrade my sim to a 3g one as they didnt send me one but its awesome...
I use the R2AA 10 ROM (very very good btw)and will upgrade to the R3AA when its here... as yet I have had no urge to flash different ROMs from the guys here... ok I have had the urge but as exams are coming up and I have a couple of dissertations to right I just dont have the time... sigh..
Finally where are you getting this deal? if you pay less up front (ie free phone or £50) is the deal more expensive?
I'd buy one again, though i'd be very tempted to wait for the Touch Pro 2 instead. A few months ago i was wishing i went for the Touch HD instead, but now i've got in to the Office side of things the keyboard is proving invaluable. I planned to buy a netbook, but it's really not needed because i can surf the web and run Word/Excel on the X1
One thing i do regret though is not putting a case on it straight away, it's scratched to bits. I'm actually tempted to "accidentally" drop it down the loo before my insurance runs out...
Thank you everyone here,
I have decided not to get it...
I really do love the look of it, however I went to the shop again, and I just can not stand the keyboard... I have so many small devices, but I just find the feedback so... soft (is that the word?) I like to know I pressed the key, and it just didnt seem to feel right to me.
At the end of the day, I would be on a 18 month contract, and in 18 months time, I will be £460 down on a phone that (By reading from here) may have cracks... not supported by SE, lousy camera, and general annoyances.
So many people talk about flashing their phones... imho, it should be perfect to begin with.
I know winmo has its flaws, but I really love it... the moment I am in wireless range of my network, I get all my emails and sync with exchange... or just link via USB or bluetooth to my laptop.
I love having one calander, contact list, notes and more... I know other phones can do this, but I just dont think it is as flawless or as simple.
Right now, I was offered a retentions deal which after credit, works out at around £45 at the end of 18 months... by then, hopefully I can pick up a older touch pro, or x1 from ebay for a fraction of the price, or a new x3 or whatever is out by then!
I would love any new smartphone, but frankly, I am happy with what I got... why spend a extra £415 (over 18 months).
Thanks everyone,
Wil
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Thank you everyone here,
I have decided not to get it...
I really do love the look of it, however I went to the shop again, and I just can not stand the keyboard... I have so many small devices, but I just find the feedback so... soft (is that the word?) I like to know I pressed the key, and it just didnt seem to feel right to me.
Wil
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I felt the same as you did about the keyboard when I first bought the phone (I order it over the net and never have the chance to test the device before buying it). And it took about 2 weeks to get used to. Now this keyboard is completely fine for me to type with
I used to use a iMate JASJAM and like the x1, the keyboard just feels alot easier to type than the x1 when I first bought it.
However after getting used to the X1 keyboard, I can't type on my JASJAM anymore haha............
Absolutely Yes, I would get one. I haven't had a single moment of regret. It's simply the best phone I've ever had.
Although I must say I waited enough to be sure that the software issues (lagging etc) were fixed.
Bye bye guys here in s200 forum.Tomorrow i will buy htc hd2 to use android and wp7.I will buy it used in my city for 280€ and sell s200 for at least 200€.I love my s200 but sadly windows mobile has too restriction compared to android,and i can t wait for the project that maybe will never come true on our phone.I wish i gave help with my disassembly tutorial and some other threads,and i thank you all for the great support you gave me
Thank you for your support,and good luck with your HD2. It was my previous phone (with android boot option) and it's one of the best smartphone I ever owned. Now, I jump to Android with a Samsung Galaxy S, and it's a great piece if technology. Android is also a nice OS even if I found it's a bit too intrusive in my private live and data...
Android in our S200...Great idea, but I can't see it growing very fast...
3 days with android on hd2 and i can t go back,android is a perfect os,you can do everything you want and more,without system hangs...3 days of intensive gaming surfing testing and never had to reboot.I really wished to use my acer s200 like this,cause i love this phone
good for u..
right now im content with wm on my s200..i wont be getting a new phone until q4 this year when my contract expires..
im not even sure i can sell my s200... dunno who the hell will buy it..
ill probably get a blackberry or some fone with a qwerty kb cos im just sick of touch screen fones.
Shame, I'm like you too. I have a tg01 but we have android but it is still in alpha. The development appears to have stopped. I think I will have to upgarde to a hd2 even though I like my phone
olyloh6696, android generaly it s the better os for phones,once you try it you can t go back.Every day you find a new feature that give you a better use of the phone.You have milion of applications,you can customize everything,and everything run incredibly stable and fast.
hd2+android = perfect phone for every use
Once you try you can t go back,
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olyloh6696, android generaly it s the better os for phones,once you try it you can t go back.Every day you find a new feature that give you a better use of the phone.You have milion of applications,you can customize everything,and everything run incredibly stable and fast.
hd2+android = perfect phone for every use
Once you try you can t go back,
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Exactly my point. After I got the tab o decided iwant android. I am buying a hd2 and going to dual boot windows phone 7 and android on it. I have made a thread on it whether to get the HTC hd2
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i took a year using the acer s200, in that time i had the oportunity to compared to others phones; iphone, hd2, also wondows mobile 7 phones, andriod phones, sincerily the acer is the best, why? because 1.it,s have the pure version of Windows Mobile 6.5 . make it very fast, more fast than the hd2 2. W.M. 6.5 allow you used it like modem, wifi router, hard disk, and more others apps otherwise the f...ing iphone, if you don't hack it, is trash. 3. Android is a copy and paste of the windows mobile O.S., and you know that., 4. Windows Mobile 7 sucks definitely, no modem, no wifi router, no today screen set up, no free use, NADA. think about it..........
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i took a year using the acer s200, in that time i had the oportunity to compared to others phones; iphone, hd2, also wondows mobile 7 phones, andriod phones, sincerily the acer is the best, why? because 1.it,s have the pure version of Windows Mobile 6.5 . make it very fast, more fast than the hd2 2. W.M. 6.5 allow you used it like modem, wifi router, hard disk, and more others apps otherwise the f...ing iphone, if you don't hack it, is trash. 3. Android is a copy and paste of the windows mobile O.S., and you know that., 4. Windows Mobile 7 sucks definitely, no modem, no wifi router, no today screen set up, no free use, NADA. think about it..........
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1 i agree it s the faster one,better than hd2 in windows mobile
2 i agree
3 i disagree,seems like you never tried android,it s an innovative system,you can do everything, it s faster than any other os
4 i agree,seems like microsoft is going back 5 years
On 3 : You are right on speed, I had one in my hands for 20 minutes and I could experience that. but this was not hacked, and my friend could not get the maximum utility, same story as the iphone ........
Yesterday, after a full day of struggle to get my S200 functioning properly, I just gave up.
The story so far...
A few days ago my vibration didn't function anymore for no apparent reason. I had not installed any software nor did I do any registry-tampering. By the time I got the vibration back working (after a couple of factory resets) I couldn't get the damn thing to work with activesync. I tried everything, other usb-cables, other ports, re-installing activesync, you name it. Bluetooth did see the PC though activesync didn't get on with the BT-connection. In the end I managed to break Wifi and that's when I got so fed up that i smashed the whole thing.
It was good while it lasted but it's clear that Acer's quality is still hopeless. I'll miss the functionality of WM because I could access my windows shares from Windows Mobile (without ridicoulus things like DLNA). Also that acer phone was the last WM-phone that could record phonecalls out-of-the-box as far as I remember (the other one is the Samsung Omnia SGH-i900).
Therefore this will be my last post in the forum. The Acer S200 users are a dying breed. At least i can tell you that the bezel around the screen is indeed of metal
Since my finances are cut short I've reverted to a Nokia C7. Small, cheap, good looking and also has the ability to record phonecalls (which is important for me). Alhough I tested this on an N8, I believe the C7 is mostly the same. I tried the EDOF-camera and i must say: the pictures are much better (the videorecording is amazing on this thing).
So bye bye folks. I was a fun time here.
To Brainmaster: This means that I won't have the change to try out your custom ROMS and all that comes with it. Sorry mate.
dear epdm2be , a modern phone like Acer s200 or other big touch screen phone its not ment to last more than 2,3 years, not mention that if accidenatally falls on ground a few times. So, after a few falls, u cant ask to work properly.
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i took a year using the acer s200, in that time i had the oportunity to compared to others phones; iphone, hd2, also wondows mobile 7 phones, andriod phones, sincerily the acer is the best, why? because 1.it,s have the pure version of Windows Mobile 6.5 . make it very fast, more fast than the hd2 2. W.M. 6.5 allow you used it like modem, wifi router, hard disk, and more others apps otherwise the f...ing iphone, if you don't hack it, is trash. 3. Android is a copy and paste of the windows mobile O.S., and you know that., 4. Windows Mobile 7 sucks definitely, no modem, no wifi router, no today screen set up, no free use, NADA. think about it..........
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I agree at all points.
I have the S200, is not strong made like Iphone but is not that expensive. I don't want to talk about what you folks already know.
Also i like the reaction of people when i show my Acer, " Acer??, what??, phone, i thought acer make laptops"
I had 2 HTC in my life, not HD2, some older models, Qtek and HTC Diamond, and both with dead pixels or other problems. So i decided to not continue with HTC, sorry, its not worked for me.
If you install the right software, u can make acer s200 a very good peace of hardware.
The latest achievement is my battery setting, for normal battery, which i gain almost a week of using, of course, without BT and WIFI enabled.
I will change the phone only if its lost or broke, wont change for the sake of change, to get another phone with other problems and almost same usage, not mention, the price and loss of money. Maybe a Galaxy S mini from Samsung is what i prefer right now, mostly for size. I loved the Galaxy S, but a friend of mine had one and accidentally droped from hand and the glass was broked. So, that much about big screen phones fidelity
Same for me. Yet my device is fully working. And as long as it does so, i will continue using it....
With the correct software it is simply wonderful, and the greatest advantage is still igo 8 for windows mobile...I couldnt find any navigation software on other Operating Systems that would come near this wonderful program...
the acer s200 isnt the purest fastest WinMo device!
The TG01 has the same specs, and its clean pure and light!
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Same for me. Yet my device is fully working. And as long as it does so, i will continue using it....
With the correct software it is simply wonderful, and the greatest advantage is still igo 8 for windows mobile...I couldnt find any navigation software on other Operating Systems that would come near this wonderful program...
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How about Igo 8 for Android? Or Navigon Mobile Select for Android?
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How about Igo 8 for Android? Or Navigon Mobile Select for Android?
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as far as i can remember navigon mobile select demands an online connection to use the navigation.
Igo for Android doesnt have that much features as igo 8 does. The day will come that i'll have to cope with igo for android but i definity prefer the feature rich igo 8...
Right now there is no need for me to change the os i got my calculator , calender my navigation software, swype and tetris . also important for me is a music player that doesnt use mp3 tags to sort the music but to use folder navigation. I think there are not too many players for android just like nitrogen which offer this feature.
Anyways, as soon as my neotouch doesnt work anymore, ill also switch to android
get a htc android phone. they have tomtom in them. they licensed it. but renamed it htc locations.
seriously. i didnt want to switch to android because of gps. but i have changed my mind.
even the galaxy has a good gps turn by turn app.
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dear epdm2be , a modern phone like Acer s200 or other big touch screen phone its not ment to last more than 2,3 years, not mention that if accidenatally falls on ground a few times. So, after a few falls, u cant ask to work properly.
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First of all it didn't fall. Never had been fallen; as I keep it in a Krussel leather pouch AND had a Zagg invisible shield wrapped around the screen AND back too (socalled full body armor). I took both measures after reading how scratch-prone the back-cover was. It wasn't 3 years old either. It was "only" 7 or 8 months old.
As I wrote earlier, the short time that I used it I was very happy with it. Fast, didn't look too bad, nice navigation with iGo, could record phone calls (although not when made over bluetooth), Wake on LAN (for my PC and Mac), could access windows shares through the file-manager, heaps of software to be found. The list goes on.
Negative points. The camera sucked big time as was expected. Windows Mobile needs to reboot every 2 days as we all know and tollerate. This was also with my much more expensive Samsung Omnia (WM6.1) that I owned before the Acer and it's clearly a problem with the OS not being stable enough for prolonged use. Though in reality it didn't bother me to reboot my phone very other day.
If it just wasn't so fragile :-(
I mean, suddenly vibration went dead, bluetooth behaved weird and then WIFI just stopped at all. Comm-manager didn't see any wifi-chip at all ???
Nonetheless the devices aren't available anymore. The only (acer) WM device that I could get was the P300 which is a lower specified device. And I didn't know if that device could handle call-recording which the S200 can without any other software (the S200-dialer simply has a record function build-in). In fact, the store-keeper even offered me a discount because of my bad luck with my former phones, which I found very fair of him. So if you live in Belgium and want to know what shop it is, then PM me. I can wholeheartedly recommend them.
The other WM6.x device on sale in that shop was the ridiculously expensive HTC HD2 (where call-recording doesn't work or at least not without patching/hacking/too-much-hassle-anyway).
The only device with the same price AND with call-recording (that I knew off) in stock was the Nokia C7 (or it's cheaper brother C6-00 with the older Symbian). The C6-01 wasn't available in that store at that time so my choices were very limited.
I must say I've had it now for over a week and I'm pleasantly surprised. It feels much better made than the acer with higher quality materials (metal rim around a real glass screen, metal back, metal cam-module and the plastic looks of better quality too). The screen is even supposed to be "gorilla glass", whatever that means. It's call quality is much, much better as its reception. And it can even record calls over the blue-tooth headset (which my Samsung also could but the Acer could not). Not to mention the recorded calls seem all of good quality and audio-volume (whereby on the acer some calls were very good and others were too quiet)
It's inbuilt media player plays divx, xvid (even with subtitles) and flv's. On WM6.x I used the excellent Coreplayer to play amongst others xvid/divx but as we all know it can't handle subtitles. On the other hand, Coreplayer on WM6.x is able to play streamed files from my windows-xp-shares. The Nokia player can't access my windows xp shares over wifi or at least I haven't figured this out yet.
The web experience is certainly better on the Acer because of it's 800x480 screen. The Nokia C7 has a very good capacitive screen but with a lower pixel count (640x360) and you definitely notice this when web browsing. It's also smaller than the S200 (Acer S200=3.8" while C7=3.5"). It's not bad though but a bigger screen with higher pixel-count simply shows more things and so you have to scroll around a bit less. On the plus side Opera is still being further developped for Symbian (I use Opera 11 now) while unfortunately further development ceased for WM (last version for S200 is Opera 10) :-(
As for the screen clarity and colours. It's day and night. The Omnia had a very bad screen with bad touch-input. While the acer has a very good resistive screen with good visuals. But these amoled screens are really good and capacitive touch is so much more fun to use (especially considering the premium glass feel of actual glass). I can understand that ppl rave on about those super amoleds. But I was happy with S200's screen, it was good enough for me and definitely isn't bad (it's probably the best restive screen out there IMHO). I didn't buy this C7 for it's amoled screen.
Oh, didn't I mention audio quality is great. I mean it's loud and clear without any hacks or tricks. Navigation sounds terrific, playing movies sound very good. Audio-wise, a major step-up from the awfully low volume on the S200.
I played a bit with Nokia's navigation. But I can't comment much on it. At first sight it looks okay. It's not as beautiful as iGO but it definitely looks better than TomTom. It's easy to use and starts up incredibly quick. But I only used it today for real navigation. It does it's job very well and comes free with the phone which is definitely a bonus. There are other navigation apps but so far I've only used Nokia's maps. I doubt that I'll use something else because it's sufficient enough for me and starts up very quickly. As with iGO (which inserts contact-addresses into it's on-board POI-list) you can navigate to stored contacts (you do it from the address book itself).
Tell you what. I like this C7 now but it could very well be that in 6 months time I dislike it (especially when it should break down as quick as the Acer did). Nonetheless I do realize that this too is also "just" a 300 euro's phone and not an 800 euro's iPhone. Of course my problems remain even if this phone should break down within 1 or 2 years... I need in-call-recording which isn't to be found easily with smartphones :-( (strangely enough both Nokia's and Sony-ericsson feature-phones are able to record phone calls without a fuzz.)
Oh well. We'll just have to wait and see how this device hangs on. At least it didn't cost me an ARM and a leg (unlike the Samsung Omnia)
Hope this wasn't too boring.
Cheers
Hi all! I have ordered an s200. I hope it will be a good choice. I think it deserve the price.