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Well I only got the phone yesterday and I've already had it with it.
I upgraded the ROM to 1.12 no probs, but the voice quality is really poor, the bluetooth headset (BlueTrek G2) is even worse, dialling with one hand is impossible. They really need to work on the phone functions for these devices. I can't use this for my work phone, it is unreliable and has a worse signal reception than other phones. CallerID with Photo ID doesn't work, the screen keeps turing on for no reasin when in your pocket so when you take it out you end up pressing the screen and doing something you didn't want to do. I regret buying this after one days use. I will be putting it back up on eBay soon.
Hello mate,
I think your disappointment comes from your expectations: you didn't buy a mobile phone. What you got is a PDA with embedded phone features. Nothing more, nothing less.
I used to have a MyPal A620 and (lately) a Nokia 6630. That was a real pain in the shadowed zone ! Two devices, two chargers, two car holders...
Now I still have a PDA (that is what I badly need) plus a GSM phone in one single device... no need to carry the Nokia mobile with me anymore.
If what you're looking for is a mobile, drop the Magician and go for a TRUE phone. It is understood that the phone section could be largely improved but at the end of the day I can live with it .
C'ya'round mate.
I love my Magician and I have no complaint at all about it.
Since November last year, I have bought 6 units one after another - four for my family members and two for my assistants at work.
On each of these 6 units:
- the voice quality is superb
- the bluetooth handset with Windows Mobile logo on it supplied by Microsoft as a free promotional item is fantastic
- I read my manual and understand how to use speed-dial with one hand
- I read my manual and have no problem using selected photos and ringtone through Caller ID
- I read my manual and understand there is such a function as "button lock" to stop accidental switching on of the pocket pc
- the phone is highly reliable and the reception signal is better than any mobile I have ever used.
I think you need to give it more time.Learn how to use it! :wink: There are settings in there to stop the screen coming on unless you press the power button so it never really comes on.Phone quality could be better but comparing to a house phone,have you ever hear a mobile phone of any description with REALLY good sound quality?I haven't and i've had my fair share!It's no worse no better than any other on the market as a phone-as a device it's nothing short of amazing.Pm me if you want a program to make dialling easier :wink:
@saldous
Try another Radio Stack like the 1.11. Some people report reception problems only with the latest (1.12) Radio stack.
About your problem with the screen not being locked when the Magician is in your pocket: Get MortSaver (free software), configure it correctly with its options and assign it to one of your hardware buttons. This locks the screen but you can still see some basic information, like SMS notifications, time battery and so on. This basically substitutes a lock function of a mobile phone.
When you got used to the possibilities of this great device and shipped around all these little problems you'll get (trust me, there are tons), you will never want to get back to a "normal" mobile phone. Show me only one mobile phone that does all of the following:
Works as remote control for all your devices (RemoteControl 2)
Can control your PC via Bluetooth (Pebbles)
A good music MP3 player with great sound (MortPlayer)
Is a video player with good video quality, even DivX(BetaPlayer, Media Player)
Plays great 3D games (Tomb Raider, Flux Challenge ...)
Works as a USB stick (CardExport 2)
Can be extended with WLan feature (Sandisk Wifi SD card)
Can be used for navigation (TomTom 5 + BT GPS)
Has a real internet browser, a great calendar (PocketBreeze)
And all this more reliably than the magician does? Come back to earth! All these features have the price of more bugs, more workarounds and more additional software that is needed. But to almost every problem, you will find an appropriate solution in this forum and with additional software (SpriteBackup, SK Tools, SPB Pocket Plus, Resco Explorer, Check Notifications, PocketZenPhone...)
Software like PhonePad makes one hand use possible and almost as good as with a mobile phone.
I will try some of your comments but don't expect to have to pay for additional software to use the device!
I have already set the device to lock the buttons so I only press the power button to turn the screen on, but if I receive a SMS etc.. the screen come on in my pocket. There is no way to stop this.
Audio wise, people I have called say it sounds like I am in a fish bowl !
As for the web browser, I tried to reply to this thread and it wouldn't let me login to the site, but I could browse the forums just not reply.
I have installed MortSaver as per your recommendation, there are no options to configure in it. How do I configure it?
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Audio wise, people I have called say it sounds like I am in a fish bowl!
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Dont let anyone fool you: the audio quality of this phone is horrible and unacceptable. This is a known problem and audio ROM updates/patches will not help you.
I bought one earlier this year, it sucked. I complained, got a brand new replacement this week with ROM 1.11WWE - the audio still sucks.
You need to return the phone. If you are within the return period of your seller - do so ASAP. If you live in the UK, be aware that under UK consumer laws you can return this device as "not fit for purpose", especially within the first six months of purchase. During that period, he onus is on the seller to prove that the device is fit - and a phone sold via subsidy from phone companies would HAVE to have proper audio quality - which this device does simply not.
Read here to understand what your rights are if you are UK consumer:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/salegoodsact.htm
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I will try some of your comments but don't expect to have to pay for additional software to use the device!
I have already set the device to lock the buttons so I only press the power button to turn the screen on, but if I receive a SMS etc.. the screen come on in my pocket. There is no way to stop this.
Audio wise, people I have called say it sounds like I am in a fish bowl !
As for the web browser, I tried to reply to this thread and it wouldn't let me login to the site, but I could browse the forums just not reply.
I have installed MortSaver as per your recommendation, there are no options to configure in it. How do I configure it?
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You are not obligated to keep it. If you cannot handle tha device than just sell it and be happy
@saldous
The extra software is not needed to make the phone work. It works, as you also confirmed. It makes it better than any phone you can get at the moment! That's worth the price.
MortSave has a link to its options in the start menu. I configured it that it automatically turns off the phone, lets notification popups go through and can only be turned on by the power button. It completely protects the screen when SMS etc. go in - like locks for mobile phones.
The web browser: This is the most complete built in web browser you can get in a phone. Tell me about a better one! Nokia? Motorola?
I love my Qtek S100 - it's an amazing little device... and gives me zero problems as a phone or a pda
Use the Button Lock feature!
For the Screen, use the Button Lock feature in System Settings
From your Magician, START > SETTINGS > SYSTEM tab, select BUTTON LOCK, and select LOCK ALL BUTTONS EXCEPT POWER BUTTON.
For the audio problem, i guess you might have to get your Magician serviced since it is still under warranty or get a replacement. Its not worth that you pay that much and still have problems with your new Magician. There could be another reason for your audio problems, the signal strength in your area, the weather at that particular day and the location from which you called that day.
Yes the Magician and for that matter all PDA's lack advance phone features that you find in Nokia or other phones, dont loose hope, in the future maybe someone will take initiative to bring to you all those features too.
regards
clueless
Why are people always saying that the phone is crap? At least I never really had problems regarding reception and sound quality. Maybe the latest phone stack is not the best - well, just downgrade it.
Regarding the usability of a phone, I even prefer to dial with my magician.
I have to do the following to call someone:
1. Turn it on (kill MortSaver if active -> I have to press the corresponding button)
2. Press the Contacts button and go to the contact I want to call via pressing up or down (holding gives me the alphabet -> very fast)
3. Press right or left to select the number I want to call for that contact (mobile, home or even email) and press the green button to call
In my opinion, a Nokia isn't as easy to use when calling someone.
Heres what I have to do.
Press voice command button
say "call John"
it says "call john?" back
I say yes and it dials
Too easy if you ask me!
Got to love voice command!!!!! :wink:
I also use voice command for contacts. When I want to call someone who's not saved in the contacts, I press that green telephone button and dial the number using the virtual keypad. This may sound stupid, BUT CAN IT BE ANY EASIER THAN THIS?
And for everyone's sake, stop complaining about the Magician not having a keypad like other phones, and it's so much easier on Nokia's, bla bla bla ...
If you want a PDA/Phone, the Magician is pretty much the best you can get. If you want a mobile phone, get a bloody mobile phone!
Dandie said:
Why are people always saying that the phone is crap? At least I never really had problems regarding reception and sound quality. Maybe the latest phone stack is not the best - well, just downgrade it.
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Because the quality control on this model is crap.
When I returned my jam for warranty repair (SIX separate problems it had), the customer service rep from the vendor that sold it said to me (and I quote), "Yes, we aware - we have had a lot of complaints about sound quality and defects on this phone".
Phone stack is not the issue, nor is ROM. The sound quality and speaker defects that showed up on my brand new Jam in Feb (WWE 1.01) were exactly the same problems on the replacement Jam I got last week (WWW 1.11). So anyone discussing "radio stack" or "ROM" is just leading you on a wild goose chase.
The phone is not well made. Period. That is why there are complaints.
For something that does just about everything I think i'll settle for the sound quality,after all it isn't really THAT bad.I've had worse.I'd rather have this device than a 7230 or something like that so it's not a bad trade off for all the benefits
I think we just have to stop generalising here. The HTC Magician is selling very very well in most countires, irrispective of the brand or carrier selling it.
Yes, some people found a porblem with the sound quality, but most of us here didn't. Or at least not to the extent of considering returning it back. Mind you, HTC design and produce models for HP, Motorola amongst others so they must know something about quality.
Unfortunately, it's too early for the Magician to have some serious competition. The only reasonable contender is the E-TEN M500. And that's still a bit "chunkier" that I would I hope for!
Some people might not be ready to be early adopters of such a "revolution" in mobile technology.
Such people, I think, should settle for a traditional conservative device!
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Mind you, HTC design and produce models for HP, Motorola amongst others so they must know something about quality.
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That is exactly why this kind of lax quality is not acceptable. Its not like they are a newbie - who has not made this type of product before. They are a near-monopoly in the PPC phone market i.e they have a huge experience curve. And audio is not exactly esoteric technology for a company in the phone business.
Its one thing for people to try to pass the problems off as a few people complaining. But when the people out there in the market selling the thing willingly admit that there is a problem with sound and speaker quality - its best to stop dreaming up excuses.
From the posts, it look like some people get unstable magician while other don't. I do agreed that magician is the among top ppc model because of the design which is small like ordinary mobile phone but with a capabilty of pda & phone. Many of pda user change to magician in order to avoid bringing 2 devices at the same time.
It is HTC and their partner responsibility to ensure their product are not made to meet the demand/order without any standard quality control.
Well, I have NO audio problems with my HTC Magician device at all (O2 Xda II mini brand running on Vodafone Australia). Sound quality on my end is perfect and I have asked a number of people I speak with if they have any trouble hearing me and they have said there is no problem at all.
I do feel that the speakerphone is a little underpowered - in quieter environments it is fine but at medium noise level I struggle to hear the other person. I can live with that.
This is simply the best device I have owned.
I've had a Wizard for a while, and thanks to O2's recent bargain offer, I've now got a Universal too. Over the past week I've had a good chance to live with them side by side. I've defended the Wizard in the past against the "it's only 200MHz" soothsayers, saying that with my previous comparison with a Universal, not only was it not slower, it actually felt more responsive.
Well now I lived exclusively with the Universal for a week, to get fully accustomed to its pace and foibles. I've just retrieved my Wizard from the drawer, and boy, I'm amazed at how snappy it really is in comparison!
Every program I open on the Wizard finishes loading before the Universal - Start, Media Player, TCMP, SplashID, Execl, Word. Even keeping apps in memory, and switching between them, is quicker (e.g. Open Messaging, red button back to Today. Open to Messaging (still shown in memory on the task bar) = half a second on Universal, almost instantaneous on Wizard). Both had a soft reset before starting, and have the same number of apps running, and similar PIM database sizes. The Universal is using a Corporate install. The only application that I can find that loads quicker on the Universal (by some margin in fact) is the Camera. Presumably this is because it has been significantly re-written and optimised to cope with the twin cameras and 3g videocalling.
Now I'm not disputing that the keyboard and screen, and the sleek black lines, are gorgeous on O2 Exec. Or that it has 3G, if you use it. Or has minor attractions like standard SD and a 3.5mm jack socket (like they're such a big deal). But I've got to be honest that I'm struggling to find anything else as to why it justifies its price. I appreciate it's more like a mini-laptop, but seriously, apart from providing VGA and the "luxury touch", the Wizard does so many things better!
E.g.
Much smaller
Much lighter
Phone rings first time - and every time
Phone speech path connects immediately on answer
No "Phone acrobatics" to see who's calling
No crashes on incoming SMS
Better Bluetooth range and quality to headset
Excellent one handed usablity
Has 5 more mappable direct access buttons (2x Soft, Messaging, Explorer, Comms Manager)
Doesn't make me look a total d*ck in the street (or even the office canteen) (no more than normal, anyway :lol: )
Better battery life
More available memory
No screen lockups
Faster application loading
Faster application switching
Faster menu responses
I was convinced that once I'd got a Universal with the latest ROM, and removed all the O2 bloat, all those saying the Universal was much faster and quoting benchmark after benchmark would be proved right. But unless you're doing some serious multitasking or gaming, the reverse is true. Even QVGA movies in TCMP aren't that much smoother.
I guess the Universal is the old man's Jaguar of PDAs plodding steadily way. Big, heavy, thirsty, but as comfy as your favourite leather sofa, and built to last. But the cheeky little Wizard is far more street, practical, nippy, and easy to park, even if the flimsy doors go "clink" instead of "clunk"
I still haven't decided which goes on eBay though. Trouble is I like both, in their own way (I like big, comfy cars too). It's just a shame the Universal UI lags so much. It does spoil the whole experience when you know what its little upstart of a brother can do.
Now I know there are others out there who have both devices, especially since the O2 deal. Is my experience typical, or am I doing something drastically wrong?
I am also lucky that I have been able to obtain an Exec and then due to the fantastic offer O2 have had in January I also picked up a Wizard.
And a lot of what you say is quite correct. The Wizard has amazed me at the speed at which it does things and the general overall feel of using it. Even the keyboard (the one area I was suspicous of) has proven to be very good.
The Exec suffers from having a VGA screen. That is what is causing a lot of the lags I expect. For users who have moved on to the Exec from previous Windows Mobile / PocketPC devices, especially VGA ones, this is so not much of a surprise. Before I got the Exec I moved from a QVGA based HP 2210 PocketPC to a VGA based HP hx4705. The slow down on the device was quite something for screen redrawing etc and was widely commented on by users on sites such as PocketPCThoughts. I think that is why you / we are seeing the Wizard act so much more smoother than the Exec, simply due to the machine having less detail to move on the screen so things happen much quicker.
But for me the upgrade to the Exec was a Windows Mobile upgrade - I wanted a new PocketPC based device that was fully connected. I doubt I will ever use it for calls and for that reason I have it on a data only tariff.
The Wizard was only bought due to the price I could get it for and is now my main phone.
I love both devices for very different reasons. I also got them for very different reasons. When I need full connectivity with emails etc. I will carry both - yes the Wizard can do both but the Exec is better for tapping out documents on the road, has a better screen that is easier on the eye. But when I want to carry only one device and travel light the Wizard will always win.
Thanks acetuk, at least I know the Exec's working as it should. I'm not anti-Exec, I have had several situations this week where the Exec won hands down - typing up meeting minutes while I remember what's been said, doing an urgent document review with a colleague (although he did have to squint a little), and checking these forums over WiFi at home So it does come into its own as a business tool, which is how it is marketed after all.
And if you're using the data package in anger then the equation does swing a bit the other way - although the data 5 is a very expensive way of doing it!
I just thought it was interesting to see how well the Wizard performs in hindsight - and how marked the speed difference was on the Wizard, once I'd been using the Exec for an extended period. I knew the screen slowed it down, but I was still expecting some turn of speed given the 524MHz CPU and previous comments by people saying how it really was much faster. But I saw the spinning disc this far more this week than I ever did with the Wizard - and had to reboot more frequently as well.
It also proves how irrelevant to real life reviews and adverts based on "benchmarks" and CPU clock speeds, really are, and that anyone who treats those as gospel is going to be sorely disappointed. :lol:
I fully agree - I started skipping benchmarks about three years ago. If I see them in a review I go straight pass them.
In the real world the device is as good as you can make it work for you. If a device doesn't cover your basics then so be it but that doesn't make a device bad. My Exec is slower than my hx4705 for loading PlanMaker and for general feel. But it is so much quicker for data entry. So what I lose in load time I gain in usability. So I win overall as far as I am concerned, regardless of any benchmarks stating overwise.
But the Wizard is an amazing piece of kit. Having PocketInformant running on both, syncing via a hosted exchange server, is a major productivity step forward for me. Pick up the device most useful for the moment, run a sync over wifi or GPRS and get to work. Today I updated all of my tasks and appointments on my Exec using it's excellent keyboard, sync'd to exchange, picked my Wizard up and sync'd again. In less than a minute both devices were fully up to date.
As for the data side of the Exec you are again quite correct. That is why I signed my Exec up for the Data36 tariff with O2 - that's 1mb a day with 5-6mb spare for when I need it. So far that is working very well for me combined with my wifi network at home. I'm paying for it but not too much at £18 / month approx but with no voice calls on top.
Now, if I can only understand better how to get two Windows Moibile devices, two PCs (one private, one work) and one exchange account syncing together better I will be happy!! That might need to go in to another post!
Again I have both thanks to O2 generosity but although I love my wizard for its size and the fact it can do anything the universal can do I would dispute the speed issue.
I find the universal to be the speedier of the two and the screen is amazing.
I love em both is the fact. Why compare them ? Just feel the love
knowsleyroader said:
I find the universal to be the speedier of the two and the screen is amazing.
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Can you quantify this? Are you saying the menus, program loading, application switching and screen refreshes are quicker on your Universal? I'd be intersted in finding out why that differs from the comparisons above. Unless your Wizard is slower than it should be, or you're not using an intelligent task manager?
By the way, my current view is that I will keep both, for maximum love
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knowsleyroader said:
I find the universal to be the speedier of the two and the screen is amazing.
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Can you quantify this? Are you saying the menus, program loading, application switching and screen refreshes are quicker on your Universal? I'd be intersted in finding out why that differs from the comparisons above. Unless your Wizard is slower than it should be, or you're not using an intelligent task manager?
By the way, my current view is that I will keep both, for maximum love
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Using a basic install on both with exactly the same apps and I do feel the universal is faster although I havent benchmarked this or even run them side by side. It just seems faster to me.
However I dont have an issue with either. Its not something im bothered about, just an observation. Im sure you will find others that thing the uni is faster.
Stability
Hi,
Before JasJar I own an IpaqHW6515. Generally JJ is much better that 6515 but using this device as unique device for communicate is not confortable as 6515 because:
1. battery life. my jj can't run for one complete day. With 280 grams devide, increasing of 20/30 grams using a much better battery would be appreciate.
2. BT: 6515 was much better in quality and range. and with a such big and havy device quality of BT would be a MUST because I don't know others but I try to use as much as possible handset because after a while with phone in my hand, I feel tired.
3. I need to soft reset few time a day. This because I start missing calls as device crash without reason while in standby.
4. I ALWAYS have problems (calling mainly) when I need something urgent. And I get crazy because I have to soft resent loosing precius minutes.
For this reasons, I confirm that JJ is best business device (i should not come back to 6515) but I've decided to buy a very light a small phone for make calls and use JJ only for Emails, web....
At least till a new rom will make stable the device.
Ciao
Stefano
Well, this bites. Not only is my JJ slow thanks to WM5, but also thanks to its big screen. I have gotten sick of my constant resents, and I've gone back to my WM2003 device. I feel eBay a callin' my name.
Morning all....
I dont wish to be a fish out of water here, but can i ask if anyone of you have flashed the rom and upgraded...??
I'm now running with the following :-
Rom ver.........1.13.82 WWE
Rom date.......11/30/05
Radio ver.......1.04.02
Protocol ver...1.13.188 WWE
Having had both the XDA II and the IIi, it sure seemed slower than both of them....then I flashed it !!
It is both faster and smoother than my previous XDA's, I haven't once had to soft reset yet....and my battery last more than a day :lol:
For those of you who haven't done so yet.... it's a must !!
http://www.my-xda.com/xdaexec_soft.html
The magman
it's true
The Magman,
I flashed my JJ to o2 ROM and in effect looks more stable faster. I've done during this quite week end and therefore I cannot say solved until I've tried JJ during a complete work week.
Ciao
I've had the XDA, XDA2, 2i and now the Exec - though I also had a play with a mate's Wizard whilst installing some software for him overnight a few weeks back.
I found the Wizard to be a lovely bit of kit, though I wouldn't necessarily say any faster (he had a basic install on, which is what I have on the Exec). The screen on the Exec is absolutely fantastic, the first times I noticed this was on opening the unit for the first time, and when I started whipping files to the Wizard via BT: there is absolutely no comparison between a QVGA and a VGA screen.
I think if the Exec hadn't arrived, then I would have gone for the Wizard, it's a good phone. However, I don't think I would find it easy from the 2i to Wizard, given the smaller screen and the somewhat cheapish keyboard.
Cheers
Ant
the magman said:
Morning all....
I dont wish to be a fish out of water here, but can i ask if anyone of you have flashed the rom and upgraded...??
I'm now running with the following :-
Rom ver.........1.13.82 WWE
Rom date.......11/30/05
Radio ver.......1.04.02
Protocol ver...1.13.188 WWE
Having had both the XDA II and the IIi, it sure seemed slower than both of them....then I flashed it !!
It is both faster and smoother than my previous XDA's, I haven't once had to soft reset yet....and my battery last more than a day :lol:
For those of you who haven't done so yet.... it's a must !!
http://www.my-xda.com/xdaexec_soft.html
The magman
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The O2 Exec came with the same versions as yours out of the box, so already using the latest.
Have been having too much fun with my mini s and exec so far to even think about flashing the roms
O2 have released again, wouldnt you think O2 might sort out the issue they have with so many Atom and Exec's before releasing yet another possibly faulty product? Why are retailers still disributing the Atom when 90% of them are faulty. I have checked numurous retail outlets that have Atom and Exec's on working display that blatantly have the mosquito LCD screen noise. I will do whatever I must do to get a refund on all my Atom's as they all are unbearable to hold against the ear whilst on a phone call, nobody wants bad publicity but as a consumer we expect the standards of the products we buy to match the price we pay.
perfect. and so?
O2 Stealth Review
Dear all
Don't quite understand why no one has given detailed opinion on this fine product from the O2 line of pda cellphones, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents (I've been using it for a week now, as a replacement phone for my O2 xda mini (ie Magician), the motherboard finally having failed after 1 year and 3 months of use due to instability issues:
1. OS
A very stable os running WM 5.0, and extremely efficient. 2 things that could have been improved, namely, the 2 touch screen items on the bottom left and right hand corners cannot be accessed without using the touch screen (ie with the Prophet, you could use the keypad to access these). Presumably, O2 wanted to keep the call and cancel functions exclusive. The 2nd aspect is the soft reset, which causes the volume to go back to full each time you do it. Fortunately, you'll find the device rarely crashes (the onboard memory is about 3 times the size of the Magician). Compatible with the Kingston 2GB mini sd card.
2. Bluetooth
Using the tornado cab to stream a2dp, the maximum volume is slightly disappointing (ie not loud enough even at max setting0, but something I can live with. Music streaming drops off more than the Magician, but again this is a minor quibble (just wear a shirt with a front pocket, or stick it in your jacket pocket rather than in your pant pockets).
3. Voice Quality
Quite good, and certainly improved over the Magician. Haven't tried using the handsfree yet, but HK is such a loud place that it's not gonna make much of a difference anyway.
4. Picture Quality
Stellar - with the flash function built in, you basically have a fully functional digital camera that takes fantastic pictures by day or by night. The picture frames that used to be available for the Magician or Prophet is now not featured in the photo mode, and must be added on by the Photo Editor.
5. Wi-Fi
Still slow, but really, cellphone size screens shouldn't be used to surf the net anyway. It's useful when you just want to quickly check some quick details (ie address of a restaurant) while you're on the move. Pocket MSN is a real boon to use.
6. Downloadable WM5.0 Applications
My main concern is finding a good emulator for my GBA and SNES games. Haven't located one for the SNES, and I still have to figure out how to make Gnuboy 1.0.3 work, but that's not O2's fault.
7. Recording
My favorite new feature - it's so simplistic that it's perfect for my meetings. You press one button to record, and the same button to stop. No more hassle having to choose recording quality (as with the Magician).
To conclude, this is probably the most fault free device O2 has released to date. I understand there were concerns that other Gigabyte (that's the OEM for the Stealth) cellphones weren't up to par, but for the record, Gigabyte is the largest motherboard maker in the ROC, and I would rather bank on my money with them than with Quanta (the OEM for the Atom)!
Looking for the built-in Answering Machine Application in Stealth ExtROM...
RE
Anybody can extract the answering machine program out?
Thanks
hi there,
i'm new in this forum and i'm going to get a trinity shortly but i've read here some problems with touch screen or audio problem...
At the end, how much are you happy with your trinity? should you buy it again?
Thanks all
bye
pretty damn happy, best phone I've ever owned.
If I was buying new I would however go for the white version, the black still has issues with flaking paint.
I have a white one, great pda phone!!!
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At the end, how much are you happy with your trinity?
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Compared to what? In comparision to my wife the Trinity means nothing to me... Regarding all other things: I am very happy... better battery and this device would be my last phone.
Very good machine
The problems you're referring to are fairly minor; Using the touch screen does slow down the running of the machine whilst the screen is being touched. This doesn't affect generally tapping/dragging/etc, but it only really noticeable when you're playing games that require dragging around the screen a lot. The audio problem seems to be that there's less bass reproduction if you install one of the "GPS fixed" ROMS (although I believe one of the ROMs now has a patch for this).
These are fairly minor issues though, other than that, it's a superb machine. Good size/weight, and very good performance. The added bonus of GPS (if you install the new ROMs) makes it a unique machine on the market.
Lee
for me it is only a cell or pda...
i'm happy for other important thing
wishmaster... yes, i agree with you... but if you are in this forum to read these thread something tells me that it's more than a simple cell (otherway get a 50€ (30£) motorola )...
Best PDA phone I've used. I gave a way my Tytn after getting my Trinity. If you don't need/want a keyboard, it is great.
Black peeling, D-pad and OK button are failing
Failing buttons forced me to use scroll wheel and 2nd OK button. I like the phone even more now
Waiting for HTC to get the bugs worked out before I send it in for repair.
I am really happy with my white Trinity since I installed the second Dopod rom and enabled the GPS feature. I cannot think of anything that my device does not do that is expected of a modern mobile phone.
It is the complete article as far as I am concerned.
It looks cool, is small enough not to look stupid when making calls, and is packed with a great operating system and software, and to top it all it is fully customisable to suit my needs and requirements.
No complaints here at all.
Ok then, just one.....When will Orange release the official rom update for the Gps to work on Trinity's that were purchased before they released them?
That for me would be the icing on the cake.
The phone rocks - can harldy keep my hands off it
It still ok but I'm not really happy.
htc still does not offer a gps update, the black coat is peeling off (already after one week!!!) and it has a bad w-lan adapter (bad signal and no working auto-detection wether the network uses WEP, WPA or WPA2 or a mix)
mikehockenballs said:
I am really happy with my white Trinity since I installed the second Dopod rom and enabled the GPS feature. I cannot think of anything that my device does not do that is expected of a modern mobile phone.
It is the complete article as far as I am concerned.
It looks cool, is small enough not to look stupid when making calls, and is packed with a great operating system and software, and to top it all it is fully customisable to suit my needs and requirements.
No complaints here at all.
Ok then, just one.....When will Orange release the official rom update for the Gps to work on Trinity's that were purchased before they released them?
That for me would be the icing on the cake.
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Funny situation. the rom is available in Orange France, but the phone is no more available. And the rom seems to not be available in Uk, but the phone is available.
Happy, but it is my first day
Got my (white) SPV M700 this morning and within 1 hour I:
1- Connected to Activesync & synchronised my contacts, calendar, notes, emails...etc.
2- I went into the favorit > Sat Nav & downloaded Orange's Sat Nav program (It woked a treat - No ROM flashing or anything ) It actually guided me back home.
3- Called Orange & asked them to unlock my phone so I can use my O2 SIM.
It is a lovely piece of kit (Phone, PDA, Camera, GPS, 3G, WiFi) All in one sexy machine that happens to be 100% compatible with my BMW's BT (it downloaded the entire contacts list (500 of them) to the car's computer.
When I got home I've played with it a bit, then put it on my desk and wheeped at its beauty
The PDA part is ok, a little bit slow but bearable. Although I'm having problem with the phone part mainly getting disconnected when trying to answer the phone and sometimes it wont connect even if I have a full bar.
The best phone i've ever had. All in one: Phone, PDA, GPS, Camera.
I'll put it this way: I can't think of a better phone at the moment... It's got ALL anyone could ask for, in a very decent size. It's not perfect but keep in mind that it's a fairly recent model, and I have no doubt we'll get there.
The only thing I could wish for that's not there yet is a multi-touchscreen (cf. iPhone but not only), and as far as I know there's nothing on the market yet with that feature.
Thumbs up for you guys too, I discovered this site through a friend (just making my first posts, hi everyone) and I'm amazed by the quantity (and quality) of hard work you've all already put in to solving the existing problems and making things better for all. Keep up the good work, and big cheers...
My comparison is with a BlueAngel which I recently lost. Small form factor, brilliant display, noticeably faster wireless, great camera. IMHO the Trinity is a serious device...only problem now is what to do with my external GPS!
Its Awesome
I've had mine for about a week, I have the white, its so cool!!!!!
I had the 838pro before this which made it a bit bulky and heavy with the keyboard which I don't miss.
All in all, its a great PDA/Phone
Now next challenge, setting up Push Email.
R.
I am newbie in this forum, in general i am pretty satisfied with my HTCP3600i! However, i sometimes find it a bit lagging...just you know it's Samsung CPU not Intel.....i once had a thought of go for Atom Life in place, but ended i chose HTC, the reason is i've heard a lot negative comments about Atom's product batter life in a word Short!!
Has some flaws : No wm6, no minisdHC, no standard audio jack. wm6 and minisdhc I hope they'll correct
I've been using a Blue Angel (SX66 Model PH20B1) for years. Bluetooth including A2DP has worked well with this phone in both WM2003 and WM6.1.
I just bought an new O2 XDA IIS (Model PH20B). I flashed it with the same WM6.1 19701 DVH ROM. XDA IIs Bluetooth works only when the BT device is about 6 inches away from the device.
Two different BT headsets work up to 3 feet from the SX66. The only thing I can think is the O2 XDA IIs has BT radio which is either not as good as the SX66 or is broken.
Can anyone tell me if they have had similar problems with the XDA IIs?
Thanks,
Since I upgraded my BA (XDA IIs) to WM2005 onward, both my hand-free and Stereo headsets work poorly, I gave up on that quite sometime ago.
my ba is a t-mobile mda iii and with me the bt problem with handsfrees started in wm2003se, i don't know how it happened. maybe i had crappy handsfrees, but the connection was hardly stabile and only in a distance of maximally 10", so i couldn't even carry the phone in my pocket while phoning (and isn't that the general idea of a handsfree?) but for file transfer with mobile phones for instance i can have stable and rather fast (20kb/sec) connections. still i wonder how people use a2dp stereo headsets with the ba. apparently headsets in general work poorly, and with the old bt1.1 or 1.2 connections and a data rate like 20kbit it wouldn't be possible to transfer mp3 (>160kbit)data in realtime to any device. i am glad with wm6.5 xplode the bt works at all, after it gave up on me on wm6.5 sun_dream. i can hardly get the device to connect to my pc via bt, but at least obex file transfer with "normal" mobile phones works most of the time, and that is the most important service to me, sending/receiving mp3s or pics, so i wouldn't complain
Chef_Tony & Imatrix:
Thanks for the replies. As I said in my post, I've been using a Siemens Branded SX66 for two years. It works marvelously with my Motorola S9 and BlueTake I-Phono A2DP headsets. It works up to several feet away. It has worked well with every all the WM6.1 ROMs I've tried. It even works from 3 feet to 6 feet away. The sound is clear with no skipping. The remote controls work and everything.
I was spoiled with the SX66 but wanted one in black with a camera so I bought an O2 XDA IIs which is a few years old but which had not been used. The thing works great but the bluetooth is absolutely worthless. Sounds like you both have the same problem.
There may be a hardware difference between the XDA IIs and the SX66. Perhaps the SX66 has slightly newer or better hardware. I may have to flash back to WM2003 and see if the Bluetooth works if not, I'm returning it.
probably the same thing as with the displays, its basicly the same model, but there are differences in manufacturers of certain sub models.
plus theoretically you could even put in a camera youself, since camera_detect and all the connectors are there. while having it opened, the case could be changed, too. but why bother buying expensive spare parts, when you can buy a newish device for, say 50$.
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probably the same thing as with the displays, its basicly the same model, but there are differences in manufacturers of certain sub models.
plus theoretically you could even put in a camera youself, since camera_detect and all the connectors are there. while having it opened, the case could be changed, too. but why bother buying expensive spare parts, when you can buy a newish device for, say 50$.
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My apologies for my silly question, but I'm almost sure that I misunderstood you. What model is newer style and includes cam? I can live with the BT issues, but its so hard to live without a cam on my phone . Also, I'd like to mention of an option I found on Ebay and use on daily basis. There are 2 phones... One made by Panasonic known as "Link-to-cell" and one made by GE known as "Cell Fusion". These are wireless home phones with BT capability. All you do is set it up and when you get home, you place your BA near the home phone and bingo... now you can use the home phone as a BT Extender all around the house. And best of all... You don't need to have a home phone line to use it, but if you do, it'll tell you when its a call from the Cell or a call from the home line. And you can connect up to 2 cell phones to the setup. I tried both, the Panasonic has less features, but better reception, better voice quality and higher incall volume. The GE has better features, higher speakerphone volume and longer lasting batteries(3 cell vrs 2 cell).
Edit: I had seen the cam's being sold on E-Bay. When I decided to get one, they don't offer them anymore. Any idea where to get one?
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probably the same thing as with the displays, its basicly the same model, but there are differences in manufacturers of certain sub models.
plus theoretically you could even put in a camera youself, since camera_detect and all the connectors are there. while having it opened, the case could be changed, too. but why bother buying expensive spare parts, when you can buy a newish device for, say 50$.
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Well now it's all a moot issue. The phones screen flickered and then went grey. I cannot even get to the multi-colored screen after a reset. It's like something just shorted out. I've always wanted one of these Black XDA IIs. I'm pretty disappointed. I may just have to get a new case for my SX66. At least the BT works well.
@markanthonpy:
what i meant was, that it doesn't matter what model you have they are always ready to run a camera, the connectors on the mainboard are there and there is a tiny prog called camera_detect that runs automatically every time you soft reset your device that detects whether you have a cam installed and maps the cam/wmp button to the cam app, which by the way, makes it rather impossible for users of devices with a camera to map the cam button to anything else.
@rambo6
since i assume you haven't made any changes to the hardware yet, try hard resetting your device before blaming the hardware. remember: with a cooked rom, the hard reset is not done by pressing reset and power, but you also have to clean the hive, so press reset+power, then immendiately press record and wmp/cam to access the menu and change the options to "no" "yes" "yes", of course only if that time you get as far as that, which requires the 4colored screen. good luck with that. if all that doesn't work i would actually go the way you suggested, return it, and "upgrade" your sx66 by changing the case and maybe adding a camera yourself, instructions to do so can be found in the wiki
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@markanthonpy:
what i meant was, that it doesn't matter what model you have they are always ready to run a camera, the connectors on the mainboard are there and there is a tiny prog called camera_detect that runs automatically every time you soft reset your device that detects whether you have a cam installed and maps the cam/wmp button to the cam app, which by the way, makes it rather impossible for users of devices with a camera to map the cam button to anything else.
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If you erase camera_detect from startup, you'll be able to change button assignment.
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@rambo6
since i assume you haven't made any changes to the hardware yet, try hard resetting your device before blaming the hardware. remember: with a cooked rom, the hard reset is not done by pressing reset and power, but you also have to clean the hive, so press reset+power, then immendiately press record and wmp/cam to access the menu and change the options to "no" "yes" "yes", of course only if that time you get as far as that, which requires the 4colored screen. good luck with that. if all that doesn't work i would actually go the way you suggested, return it, and "upgrade" your sx66 by changing the case and maybe adding a camera yourself, instructions to do so can be found in the wiki
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If I am reading correctly, he cannot even get to the RGB screen, which means that he might actually have a hardware problem.
@rambo6
since i assume you haven't made any changes to the hardware yet, try hard resetting your device before blaming the hardware. remember: with a cooked rom, the hard reset is not done by pressing reset and power, but you also have to clean the hive, so press reset+power, then immendiately press record and wmp/cam to access the menu and change the options to "no" "yes" "yes", of course only if that time you get as far as that, which requires the 4colored screen. good luck with that. if all that doesn't work i would actually go the way you suggested, return it, and "upgrade" your sx66 by changing the case and maybe adding a camera yourself, instructions to do so can be found in the wiki[/QUOTE]
Chef_Tony:
Thanks for the advice, but this is my third BA and I've flashed literally tens or hundreds of ROMs and am familiar with the hard reset method. My screen went grey while I was browsing the web. I cannot get it back to the multicolored screen at all. Nor can I get it to the screen to re-flash the device. The screen is just grey and when it's turned on, it's a lighter grey. There's something terribly wrong with the hardware.
I think I'm going to get a new case for my sx66 and try to put a camera in it just for kicks. I have four other HTC devices, but I still like the BA for cruising the at home. I cannot wait for the HTC Rhodium or SuperStar or both.
umm can I suggest trying something very silly? even if you don't see anything, could you try to make a phone call or perhaps, just redial last call you had made. Actually, don't even need to do that, how about turn it on and call your phone. I'm just curious to know if behind the grey screen, the phone is up n running. Perhaps, a bad LCD, connection or cable? I would think you tried this already, but wouldn't hurt to know.
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umm can I suggest trying something very silly? even if you don't see anything, could you try to make a phone call or perhaps, just redial last call you had made. Actually, don't even need to do that, how about turn it on and call your phone. I'm just curious to know if behind the grey screen, the phone is up n running. Perhaps, a bad LCD, connection or cable? I would think you tried this already, but wouldn't hurt to know.
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Good suggestion. The phone still works. At least it can accept an incoming call. I'm pretty sure its a display connection for something. If I take it apart, I'm stuck with the device, so I'm sending it back.
Well I returned the XDA IIs for a refund. I'm guessing that the XDA IIs has an inferior BT radio. I compared the Guts of the SX66 (Siemens Branded BA) and the XDA IIs. They look quite different.
So I found a camera module on Ebay and also a new back cover. I installed it on the BA SX66 and it every thing works great. I can listen to music streamed to my Moto S9 or Iphono headsets from about 3 feet. Works great.
My BA still rocks.
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Well I returned the XDA IIs for a refund. I'm guessing that the XDA IIs has an inferior BT radio. I compared the Guts of the SX66 (Siemens Branded BA) and the XDA IIs. They look quite different.
So I found a camera module on Ebay and also a new back cover. I installed it on the BA SX66 and it every thing works great. I can listen to music streamed to my Moto S9 or Iphono headsets from about 3 feet. Works great.
My BA still rocks.
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Where did you find the Camera Module? I've searched all over and haven't found one yet.
Try ebay. See if this link works.
http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dm...286.m270.l1313&_odkw=htc+blue+angel&_osacat=0
The camera was only $15.99 US, but then you need a new back cover. I had to buy an HTC IIs complete case for $45.00. I'm still glad I did it. It works great.