Hi,
okay I was playing around with Coreplayer changing settings etc from Raw Framebuffer (which is currently the only stable way to play video) to GDI and then to ATI Imageon, which we all know causes problems (hence why we use Raw Framebuffer)
For some reason it became stable with one video that I was playing using ATI Imageon - so seized the opportunity to benchmark the video; first using Raw Framebuffer:
Results:
Speed: 71%
Original data rate: 1.60mbs
Bench data rate: 1.15mbs
Then using ATI Imageon (with a few jitters):
Speed: 197%
Original data rate: 1.60mbs
Bench data rate: 2.78mbs
And I gotta say apart from a few jitters and glitches the video when using ATI Imageon looked amazing like it was anti-aliased.
Can't wait to Coreplayer is optimised to work Samsung and ATI combo inside the Trinity!
Strange, I use tcpmp with ATI Imageon on almost all files... Works like a charm...
I use tcpmp with the ATI Imagion and it gives weird screen flickering (entire screen, not just video). After I switch forth and back between fullscreen and windowed mode a couple of times I can mostly get it to show the video. I do however not find the quality of the output particular good - rather bad actually and full of artifacts compared to the other modes
Exactly
What I am saying is when Coreplayer is optimised for ATI/Samsung combo it will work treat - hence the benchmark results. Showing a DRAMATIC performance increase.
This thread was designed to show what will come when software and or ROM's are worked on with the Trinity to use it's full potential.
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niks2luv: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/
Download it from there.
it seems that the driver is causing freezes in my X1 while playing and then stopping/pausing and resuming videos using core player
anybody else get the same problem?
any idea how to fix this?
I've not been using the QTV driver in coreplayer.
I've had the best results with the following:
1. Turning off the "TYTN 2 Driver mode" on the Qtv preferences page
2. Selecting "Direct draw" and "high quality" on the Video page.
3. selecting "RGB" as the overlay format on the Direct draw page.
I already hard reset and now it runs at normal speed, still not sure about the freezes problem, need more investigation and time...
but I'm curious as to what is the best config for X1?
Ben, u said u don't use qtv, then what do you use?
anybody else?
direct draw here
i did notice that my benchmark is better when i use Qtv instead of directdraw.
I watch Iron Man (800ish MB DivX) in bed on Sunday using Direct Draw and other than the gun firing scene it seemed to run pretty smoothly.
please, try to use coreplayer 1.2.5 diamond skinned edition.
this will work flawless on my x1. (touch-it hd firmware)
can u upload the cab?
nap007 said:
it seems that the driver is causing freezes in my X1 while playing and then stopping/pausing and resuming videos using core player
anybody else get the same problem?
any idea how to fix this?
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I am facing the same issue too. This is my experience: Actually the X1 did not hang, only the screen hang. You can press the on/off button and you will hear the pop up window to confirm the shutdown. Just "guestimate" where the yes button is and press on the screen. It should shut down.
Ben daniel said:
I've not been using the QTV driver in coreplayer.
I've had the best results with the following:
1. Turning off the "TYTN 2 Driver mode" on the Qtv preferences page
2. Selecting "Direct draw" and "high quality" on the Video page.
3. selecting "RGB" as the overlay format on the Direct draw page.
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Using your settings, the video is playing back in slow motion!
Try mine:
Use QTv, set to medium quality, no zoom.
medium quality makes the picture looks bad.....
so we can conclude that core player isn't truly support X1 for now?
@nap007 same problem here, with qtv output.
DirectDraw @ medium quality works fine for me
a 700mb xvid,resolution somewhere round 640x400 played smoothly and
quality is still nice @medium
For me too qTV is the fastest.
qTv with unchecked Tytn II mode does not render any video.
DirectDraw with blitting is 10% slower.
DirectDraw without blitting does not zoom the picture.
All around it's slower 10-20% then TCPMP and my 2 years old Palm T5 ! Sure, it had only 320x480 resolution, but I really expected more in this area.
Only hope is CorePlayer will come with some better Xperia support soon.
here's my setting in Coreplayer that renders the video smooth
Video
- Video Output: QTv display
- Video Quality: High
- Smooth Zoom: Only for 50%
- Dither - Yes
Buffer
- Normal Buffer Size: 2400KB
- Preload at underrun: 70%
- Preload for audio: 64KB
- Microdrive mode: Yes
- Microdrive buffer size: 16000KB
- Microdrive starts at: 1472KB
Advance
Off: No backlight keepalive for video, Slow video memory, Less rotation tearing, High priority music playback, Override AVI timing based on audio, Use system volume, Capture all buttons, Keep screen on when playing audio
On: Prefer lookup tables over arithmetic, D-pad follow screen orientation, Prefer less buffering over framerate, Benchmark from current pos, Pause playback when making phone call, Unpause playback after call, Disable AVC deblocking filter
QTv
TyTN II driver mode - Yes
I think it's about time for us to clear a few things up concerning video playback on the X1.
The X1 can play most codecs using Coreplayer Mobile.
However, to optimize video's for the X1 and windows media player, a converter such as SUPER can be used.
Please note that optimizing your X1 is advised. See this thread for more information.
Now what I would like to find out is what settings work best for the X1 to playback video with a few different preset configurations.
What we need to know is the optimal:
Resolution
Framerate
Video Codec
Video Bitrate
Audio Codec
Audio Bitrate
Audio Sampling Frequency
Container
And any other/better tools to use.
To be able to better compare results I've uploaded the Crysis Warhead HD Trailer. You can download it here.
Please use this trailer to compare and post your settings in this thread.
This thread will be updated with new information as it arises. The second post contains an example of settings I used and will be updated with user posted settings that work well.
--- Important information ---
* CorePlayer is not hardware accelerated. This means that CorePlayer is more likely to play your video's choppy. The built-in media player, however, does have hardware acceleration. To get the best video performance, at this moment the built-in media player is your best choice.
* The h.264 codec is supported by the built-in media player and currently has the best compression vs quality ratio.
--- Downloads ---
Coreplayer Mobile
SUPER
--- Source file ---
Setting: HD Quality - 63.4MB @ 0hrs, 1min, 32sec.
Resolution: 1280 x 720
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: WMV9
Video Bitrate: 6090 kb/s
Audio Codec: WMA9
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: WMV
Download example here: Source file
--- Settings --- Here the optimal settings will be provided as they become available.
Configuration: Low Quality - 4.7MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 280MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 192 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 22050
Audio Bitrate:: 64 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Low Quality
Configuration: Medium Quality - 5.9MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 350MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 384 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Medium Quality
Configuration: High Quality - 10.4MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 620MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 608x368
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 768
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: High Quality
Configuration: Highest Quality - 16.8MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 1000MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 800x480
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 1294 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 128 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Highest Quality
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When posting settings, supply the same information as I do here.
Good you have come up with this.. once we all share I think we can reach to as what best converter settings we can use for X1... After reading lot of material... I use these settings which gives me full screen decent/smooth run movies.. had no problems at all... but don't know if they are the best settings... check it out :
Xvid MPEG-4 Codec, 569 Target bitrate, 23.976 fps, Screen Size 640x384, Sound Mp3 128 to 160 kbit/s. Encoder used : TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress. ( The best converter with total cut/edit features )
Let me know the results.
Nero Recode 3
AVC in MP4, 400x240, ~400kbps
HE-AAC, ~80kbps,
Runs excellent in the Mediapanel and did quite good (but worse) in the Coreplayer 1.2.5, when I still had it installed. Switched to the Panel completely for playing back my mp4 rips.
Uh, theres a template. Well then, again:
Resolution 400x240
Codec AVC/h.264
Framerate 25 or as source if lower
Video Bitrate ~400kbps
Audio Sampling as source
Audio Bitrate HE-AAC, ~80kbps
I have tried so many diff combination but still haven't found one optimal to use with the x1. This thread will be great for me to do more testing. I usually super or aimersoft. Please chime in if you use those above software to encode video.
I'm at work right now so can't be 100% sure, but as I remember (it's discussed in threads in the main SE X1 forum section) for the highest quality you can get on x1, encode the files for Baseline 1.3 h264, 800x450 max resolution, 30fps, and play them on wm media player or the media panel.
Videos will not run well at anything near that resolution on core player or tcpmp, they don't use the hardware acceleration that's available to media player and the media panel, although tcpmp and coreplayer will handle many more codecs.
Thanks for the additions people, I've uploaded a better video file to test with. It's HD by default so you can actually see the difference between high quality encoded and low/medium.
For those who post configurations, please (please!) stick to the template, I will try and reproduce the settings so I can judge them and add them to the topic.
I would like more information on the hardware acceleration topic as well;
1) Why isn't coreplayer hardware accelerated?
2) Can it be changed so it is?
3) Are there any other/better video players out there?
Because the driver specifications are not available and the hardware cant be accessed by third party programmers
CorePlayer team said in their forum they got hold of Qualcomm and are working to provide hardware acceleration for any MSM7xxx chipset having the graphics hardware in one of the next builds of the player
Better regarding what aspect?
Thanks for your reply. I'd like to see what CorePlayer can do if they manage to get the hardware acceleration working.
Better regarding smooth playback and codec support. Perhaps there's a way to add codecs to the Winmo media player?
EDIT: Updated with new configurations, all based on h.264 (for best compression/quality ratio)
EDIT2: Added another setting, tested for quality and uploaded all examples for your viewing pleasure.
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).
Who can help me test the highest settings?
Angelusz said:
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).
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Look at my post (#31) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460294&page=4
especially this:
Jabe said:
2.) this one is the important one. Do not change screen resolution. Original file was 624x352 and when I set it to 800x like you suggested the playback was somewhat jerky when people were moving. So I set it to "no cnahge" and gained 2 things:
- output quality was far superior (i don't know about that if you choose smaller resolution, like converting HD to 800x)
- the conversion is much faster. before it took 1h10min, now it takes 45min. in other words, encoding speed went from 0.7x to 1.0x.
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I think we are talking about the same thing. I've noticed that increasing resolution does cause some problems. I use Media Panel for playing my videos.
I do use the Mediapanel as well, it might be imagination but I found it to be the best player regarding playback performance.
Upscaling a smaller source file in image size will worsen the quality massively. Think about how a codec works: upscaling means making the image look "soft" or "washed out". These soft or washed out images are then used by the codec to predict differencies and/or movements between the frames and then this data is used to render the subsequent frames. Since the whole image (being washed out) figuratively looks "all the same" (its just a soup of different unspecific colours) the codec has hardcore problems predicting movements between the single frames. Thus the prediction is bad, based on an already bad image, multiplies the bad effect onto every subsequent frame.
Display Driver Assist - Does it improve video ?
This is an interesting thread, please let me add my experience of converting and watching video on my Xperia.
Firstly this program DVD Catalyst won the top award for converting DVD to almost any format to any resolution, any bitrate.
Here is the URL : http://www.pocketdvd.ca/products/dvd catalyst 3.html
Here is the URL for SmartPhone Awards list for all the best in catagory software for video coversion for Pocket PC 2008.
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/awards/2008/winners_ppc_apps#CatDVD_Converters
If you download the trial of DVD Catalyst you can have 15 days of free fully functional DVD conversions, thats enough to convert almost anybodies collection. I do intend to buy this when I get round to it.
I experimineted with different formats and resolutions and here were my conclusions.
Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
Resolution - I use the maximum 800 X 480
Bitrate - 750 kbps though 500 is still very good.
Audio 128 kbps Stereo
All these options can easily be changed in the converter, you can set your PC Processor prioirty to high ( recommended) or highest if you not doing anything else and a complete 2 hour DVD, with high prioirty for processor will be converted and ready for copying to your X1 in about 35 - 40 mins.
Also I found my Xperia settings had an impact on video playback quality, none more so than Glyph cache, which I now have at 128kb.
I am currently experimenting with the " Display driver preloader " you can find on the thread by ell82...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462346
In it he uses this file, libgles_cl.dll, copied into the windows directory, to add hardware acceleration to some 3D games. This as close as we have come so far in adding hardware acceleration across the board to all programs on the X1, obviously this needs some testing and benchmarking, something this thread is very good at.
This file does not replace any windows files, you can add it to WINDOWS folder and remove it at will, it doesn't hurt, over right or harm anything.
Im using it on and off, id like to see some hard data on it, it may not be the magic bullet we have all been waiting for, but it could be a move in the right direction.
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Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
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3GP is not a format, its only a container. The content, video wise, is either SP, ASP or AVC video (mostly, accepts a wide range of codecs though) and audio is AMR or AAC. In fact you don't follow the standard at all, your files are NOT 3GP COMPILANT. Since 3GP is just a simplified version of the MP4 container anyway, of which the latter is more versatile regarding possible content and resolution restrictions, I would definitely abandon 3GP and go for MP4. Of course with AVC video and a flavor of AAC audio.
Maybe noob question (I haven't got an sdhcmicro card so cannot test myself):
On my hx2790 tcpmp (ver 0.72, last version) always worked a treat on default 700-1500mb divx and xvids. You loaded lots of movies on a 8gb card and opened them with tcpmp. Some movies required AC3 sound and there was a plug in for that too. The movies played back 100% flawlessly.
Can we not just do this in the X1?
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Can we not just do this in the X1?
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no, not yet.
700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell
Here's what I do:
Open PocketDivXEncoder
Select the 'HD TV' option
Resize to 400xABC (maintain aspect ratio)
Video quality = 70
Audio = max
Coreplayer runs it flawlessly and looks great, even fast scenes.
Watched the first season of both Burn Notice and Merlin with no issues in action packed scenes
totally agreed with coreplayer ! really better than movie player in the XMB Panel !!!! you can find my thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3093597#post3093597
Don't know why it is so slow with the XMB Panel & so better in core player !
Core Player : reverserd enginered the chipset.... really difficult thing & to be really/fully optimized but it works better than the std XMB movie player !!!! (written by who ? sony developers or htc ? or together ?, they should buy corecodec ! )
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700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell
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But tcpmp 0.72 doesn't? Tcpmp was the ultimate micro footprint everything player for mobile devices.
Please Share your experiences.
For example:
1) What is the best video player ( coreplayer, tcpmp,others)
2) What is the best video output method in coreplayer and tcpmp ( Ati IMAGEON, direct draw,etc)
3) What is the best video format to play , xvid , wmv, divx,etc
4) What is the best resolution to play in athena
5) Is better to convert before play, or doesn't mater
6) Playing subtitles, , and flicker problems
7) others
tcpmp .081 Ati IMAGEON result is not good
but I do not know why
3) divx
5) 6) PocketDivxEncoder
I'm using AP4 rom and only use xcpuscalar (from immieresoft.com) @ 624 or 663MHz when viewing movies on TCPMP. Problems usually only occur when the Athena's auto cpu scaling changes speeds and xcpuscalar eliminates those changes.
To encode, I use dvdDecrypter to copy movies onto my hard-drive and AutoGordianKnot to convert to Xvid avi and set maximum width (advanced settings) to 640 and output size to Target quality 100%. The movies usually benchmark really close to 100% (sometimes slightly more or slightly less) and have minimal frame drops on most movies (the best was 7~13 out of 19,###).
I've been very happy with my x7501 lately...
My best setting's for TCMP 0.72 RC1 are:
Check:
ATI IMAGEON
DITHER
Unchek:
Smooth Zoom (only 50%)
Smooth Zomm (always)
Quality-> Normal
Video runs ok, good speed.
Subtiltes no so good (flicker problems)
I'm using TCPMP 0.71 with good results
My checked settings are:
Video >
Smooth Zoom (only 50%)
Quality normal
video > Raw Framebuffer
I also enabled Microdrive mode with a buffer of 16000KB
I also have these TCPMP plugins:
AC3
FFMPEG
Vorbis LQ
For Encoding nothing beats Pocket DivX encoder.
Cheers!
I think, ATI Imageon (using "ati3200.plg" plugin for TCPMP, or internal ATI-plugin in Core Player (turn OFF hardware acceleration for nice work)) chosen as a video driver - the best solution. It shows the best results in benchmark, better than Raw Framebuffer or Direct Draw. But if you use Core Player (TCPMP) with ATI Imageon driver after using camera, you must reboot (soft-reset) your device for normal work of driver. And remember - turn flag off from "hardware acceleration" in Core Player (video).
DVD-rips plays good.
ATI-plugin for TCPMP attached here:
Using CorePlayer ver.1.1.3 & TCPMP 0.72+ATI Driver3200.
Both have a problem: DELAYED VOICE SOUND after 1-2 minutes playing.
Any suggestions?
hi,
I am newbee to Athena and i cannot play video files on my new athena. Athena plays video files out of sync and slowly, so i searched the xda for solution, but unfortunately i could not find one. Most of the post, which i read were dated almost a year to two year back. So i was wondering, if anyone found a solution for playing video files on Tcpmp and coreplayer.
#1 Encode the movie to 640 pixels wide.
#2 Change the settings: Options>
Zoom>Fit Best or 100%
Pixel Aspect Ratio>Auto
Video>ATI IMAGEON
Settings>Select Page>ATI IMAGEON>Checked>Disable OS Bitmap Caching, Reuse primary surface if needed, Optimized primary surface mode, Scaling LCD tearing compensation
Settings>Select Page>Direct Draw>Overlay format>YV12, Overlay with color key checked
Settings>Select Page>GAPI nothing checked
#3 Plug the Athena into external power or use a program like XCPUScalar and set the CPU speed to 624MHz. Most issues with choppy video are due to the automatic speed changes of the Athena and you want to eliminate that problem.
Watch your video. Some people had better results using different settings than ATI IMAGEON, but these were the best settings for my device...