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USA gprs Internet access via Universal

I am off to Florida for a month and would like to have internet access on my laptop using gprs(Universal as modem). My problem is that I am not sure what the necessary setup is(can i have gprs on a prepaid, what network, settings etc) . I have tried to investigate the possiblilty of a sidekick sims in the Universal but got nowhere. Hope you can help.

Unfortunately, you won't have much luck. The majority of the networks in Florida are using the 850 MHz band, which the Universal doesn't support. You'll have intermittent luck using the 1900 MHz band, but it's not as widely used. If you visit Florida later this year, you'll be able to use Cingular's 3G network that they will be rolling out.
The two biggest GSM/GPRS providers here are Cingular and T-Mobile. You can purchase pre-paid service from them so you don't have to enter any contracts.
What part of Florida will you be in?

But wait, there's more! You can't use the 3G access in the US because Cingular's 3G frequency is 1900mhz and UK/Asia/Europe uses 2100mhz that the Universal has. So, you're still out of luck.

Shame!
There goes my beautiful plan! I am doing the Disney Tour so will be mainly round Orlando/Kissimmee area.
I am assuming that although the GPRS is looking grim, I can still use my Exec as a normal phone, right?

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terapixels said:
There goes my beautiful plan! I am doing the Disney Tour so will be mainly round Orlando/Kissimmee area.
I am assuming that although the GPRS is looking grim, I can still use my Exec as a normal phone, right?
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If you are covered for international calls on your plan with O2, yes. Having been in and around the Orlando area several times, it seems that T-Mobile was the service available most often (as opposed to Cingular, with whom I subscribe.
The GPRS down there wasn't half bad.

thefunkunfaked,
I am on a monthly plan so I think I am covered for international calls. But what I would like to happen is for me to buy a PAYG US sim card and be able to call cheaply within the US(+GPRS if poss).
So if I get a T Mobile PAYG sim card, are you saying I will be able to get GPRS?

Yes, T-Mobile USA uses 1900 according to http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_uswe.shtml
The map for Cingular seems to indicate their 1900 network fully covers Florida http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&net=be
But a local probably know better than trusting the map.

Warning - Orange Coverage in London

I just wanted to post a warning message for all users contemplating using Orange. I have switched from Vodafone to Orange. I have an unlocked SPV 3100. While I was using a Vodafone sim I has a 3G signal 85 – 90% of the time.
I have now switched over to orange (Business contract) and in the same device I have seen a 3G signal once (for about 30 seconds) in 3 weeks. I live and work in central London so this seems ridiculous!
There are two companies I am involved with who have bought business phones for all their staff who work all over London. All users have huge signal problems. It seems that Oranges infrastructure is far inferior to other networks. I can’t believe that in a major city I cannot get a 3G signal. Most of the time I have 2 bars on a GPRS signal.
So anyone currently contemplating which service provider to choose be warned. It is a shame because the SPV 3100 is a great looking phone, if only Orange had the coverage to allow you to use it properly!

It turns out that Orange provided me with a sim card which was not 3G Capable. I new sim should sort this issue out!

Thought it was strange i live in central London and my phone (Universal) nearly always has 3g availability with the full 4 bars of signal when i'm at home.
Before this phone I had the Blue Angel (M2000 - only 2.5g) and I would only get 1-2 bars of signal when i was at home.
Hope the new SIM sorts it.
Matt

LeoPheonix said:
I just wanted to post a warning message for all users contemplating using Orange.
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It seems that Oranges infrastructure is far inferior to other networks. I can’t believe that in a major city I cannot get a 3G signal. Most of the time I have 2 bars on a GPRS signal.
So anyone currently contemplating which service provider to choose be warned. It is a shame because the SPV 3100 is a great looking phone, if only Orange had the coverage to allow you to use it properly!
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Completely agree with this. I was an original user of Orange back in '94 until earlier this year - swapped to O2 cos signal 'seems' to be better than the others. Use Voda for work and O2 is consistenly better where I live/go for business (including London)
I used to drive from Manchester Airport around the M60 and then 6 miles north and used to lose calls 4 times on the journey in exactly the same place (despite having a properly fitted car kit). Orange really needs to sort it's network strength out.

Yep I switched from O2 to Orange a few months back. I can't believe how crappy 3g coverage is at my house and in the office (west London, W4/W5)... very disappointing.

I thought my Blackstone was free! T-Mobile and Orange UK to mergee. . .

I was lucky enough to be able to take advantage of the recent Orange contract change palarver and move to T-Mobile. Much cheaper contract, twice as much data and not having to deal with Orange's 'interesting' outlook on customer service.
Not sure what this will mean but http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8243226.stm
I don't think so large mergers are ever good for the customer though.

Practically-speaking they will probably get past the regulator with a bit of begging as O2 and Voda still own a decent chunk of the market, and the T-mob people will benefit from the better backbone capacity of Orange. The whole contract escape thing will still apply as it's in EU law - if the new company ups prices in the future, people can envoke the cancellation clause then just as they did last month. I imagine they'll reprice only when the brand names merge, and only to the bare minimum, as they know people will exploit it to death. You can't keep the same prices forever though, as everyone's copying each other so switching will be less tempting as time goes on.
Sidebar - if you're using data a lot, Voda UK is the place to be as they're finally rolling out their new backbone. HSDPA at up to 14 mbits to all existing customers instead of the 3 to 7 mbits everyone else caps at, and no handset upgrades required. Initial testing proves it works as advertised, though of course depends on the signal strength.

Does this mean that if the do merge, we will be able to cancel our contracts etc again???

Thanks for the reply Spartan. Will look into Vodaphone.
I don't think contracts will be able to be broken unless they change charges or similar. . .

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Sidebar - if you're using data a lot, Voda UK is the place to be as they're finally rolling out their new backbone. HSDPA at up to 14 mbits to all existing customers instead of the 3 to 7 mbits everyone else caps at, and no handset upgrades required. Initial testing proves it works as advertised, though of course depends on the signal strength.
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Pull the other one.
Vodafone may be rolling out 14.4Mbps in about 3 places but for those of us who live in the majority of the rest of the country, it's just a slap in the face.
Personally, given the choice between HSDPA coverage with O2, Orange or T-Mobile or not even getting 2G coverage with Vodafone, let alone high-speed data, I know who I won't be choosing.
As for all this talk about cancelling contracts, read the article again - even if the merger is approved, both brands will operate under their own names for the first 18 months or so whilst all the admin gets sorted.

Step666 said:
Pull the other one.
Vodafone may be rolling out 14.4Mbps in about 3 places but for those of us who live in the majority of the rest of the country, it's just a slap in the face.
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Their service is currently live for the centers of London, Birmingham and Liverpool simply because those are the three cities with highest HSPA usage density, though it's apparently being rolled out to the whole country over the next 6-12 months. It's a heck of a lot of work, but Voda insist it will happen, and none of the other operators will say they're even considering it. Some say they can't afford it, some say they're waiting for HSPAE/LTE before doing any upgrades.
As I said it is indeed dependent on your RF path and the cell load, but the point is a BTS capped at 14M will be able to run far more users at typical 3-bar rates (1 to 5M), which if you've tried to pull data in the centre of a city with 5 bars on your phone you know is a big problem - we hit the backhaul capacity very easily. Of course in the middle of nowhere your data rates won't be any good, but it's supply and demand; if it's only you out there it's uneconomical for anyone to install a cell tower. Femtos are available though, so you can turn your DSL line into a domestic 3G base station.
As I also said, T-mob/Orange prices are only likely to change at the rebrand stage and only where absolutely necessary, but it's still the case that when they do happen the contract escape clauses are still very much there. I doubt you'll get to save much as I guess all the operators will have upped their prices (specially if there's less competition), but we we've seen many people want to get out of long contracts for other reasons.
As my sig says, I don't use Voda nor do I have any connection to them. In theory I use Orange, as they provide Three's 2G capacity, but I wish I didn't!

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...though it's apparently being rolled out to the whole country over the next 6-12 months.
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Last I heard, it's continuing roll-out was 'on an ongoing basis'.
But the problem for those of us who live somewhere other than those certain parts of London, Birmingham and Liverpool is that Vodafone's plans are ridiculously vague - sure, they plan to roll it out to the rest of country but what does that mean exactly?
Does that mean they're going to be increasing the amount of the country that they cover or are they merely going to upgrade the speeds in the few places that they already offer coverage? Because, if it's the second option, it still leaves a lot of people out in the cold because Vodafone's coverage is already pretty crummy - they're a long way off being the best network for coverage.
As for femtocells, what a joke.
If your broadband speeds are good enough to make installing one viable, why would you then want to use a mobile-based internet connection and not just your landline instead?
Anyway, speeds are just one element of offering a practical cellular data service to customers - obviously (as I've already mentioned) coverage is another factor, one that Vodafone currents fails quite badly on and there's also the issue of download allowances, another area that Vodafone is really quite poor for.
Going back to the point at hand though, I for one doubt that T-Mobile and Orange merging will cause end customers to be worse off - T-Mobile hasn't been a big player for a while, they're not particularly competitive so I honestly doubt that their disappearance as a separate entity will be that big an issue.
In fact, I reckon it'd probably be better for customer in the long run - being leapfrogged in this manner will, hopefully, force Vodafone and O2 to up their game - both are guilty of a lot of complacency of late so to be taken down a peg or two and forced to approach the market from a disadvantaged position could well be a good thing.

Firstly the roll-out will happen to all existing Voda 3G BTS nodes, as the backhaul upgrade is required for other purposes. Installing new BTSs is a different matter entirely, and I agree they're not great in rural areas (but then no one operator is ahead of the game on that one. Our office is in the middle of the countryside and we get a decent Three signal purely by chance - no 3G from anyone else - but a few miles down the road at home only Orange will work.
All the operators are gradually populating the dead areas where there's a demand, but nobody's going to put 3G in where there aren't enough customers and there's a 2G signal available - the priority is going to the zero signal areas first, and only those where people are calling them and complaining about it.
Agree a femtocell is a strange idea if you use your landline for calls and DSL through a PC, but many people run their entire lives through their cell number, and forwarding it to a landline costs you money when someone calls you. Femtos mean you're not paying for the calls in either direction, and helps people who don't have a wifi-enabled handset to pull down 'free' data.

I would like to start by thanking you for your reply, it makes for interesting reading.
But I reserve the right to remain cynical (I'm Scottish, what do you expect...). Large parts of Vodafone's 3G network don't even support 7.2Mbps yet, so I just don't see them upgrading it all to 14.4.
As for the problems with signal, I'm not talking about rural areas.
Where I work is in a built-up area, near the centre of a large town and, as it happens, right across the road from a mobile phone mast. Every network except Vodafone offers HSDPA coverage but to just make a call on Vodafone you have to hang out a window or head off down the street waving your phone in the air to get signal.
I see what you're saying about some people's lives being run through their mobile but I still cannot quite see the use of femtocells.
If a person's phone is that important, then they would be unlikely to be using a network that offered such poor coverage in their home. Alternatively, if they already have reasonable 2G coverage, then why get a femtocell to aid 3G coverage when you have a perfectly good landline internet connection which will be cheaper to use, almost certainly offer a faster speed and will definitely have a larger usage allowance; not to mention that no-one in their right mind would argue that the web experience on a phone can match that of a proper PC or laptop.
A femtocell doesn't give you free data, nor does it give you wi-fi access - it merely improves the network signal strength/coverage in your home but you still have to pay for data the same way you would if you were out and about.

In your case, you can find the local spread of BTSs using Ofcom's Sitefinder database - www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk - and one trick to see what BTS your phone is hitting for data is to open Google Maps with the GPS option turned off - "your location" is then that of the BTS you're downloading maps from.
If your operator's own map claims good coverage for your house, but in practice you don't have any, then it's ether a line of sight issue (something conductive between you and the antenna) or a terrain dip (sectors put out a roughly-horizontal beam, angled down a few degrees, so if you're above or below it because of your relative heights, you can be over the road from the thing and not get a signal). In modern houses, we've also seen issues with foil-backed cavity wall insulation acting like a Faraday cage and ruining your signal until you're near a window. Either way, phone the operator and let them know - coverage is only altered when someone tells them it's not as good as they think it is.
Just FYI, a femtocell uses your existing DSL ISP's connection for all the data, including voice packets, and simply routes them to the mobile operator's gateway IP address - so depending on your operator and service plan they may or may not be counted as airtime minutes/bytes. Voda does count them, however that's not the norm as you're in effect paying twice for the same megabyte (to your ISP and to Voda); but as so few people have femtos in the UK, nobody's grumbling enough to be heard.

c_lee said:
Firstly the roll-out will happen to all existing Voda 3G BTS nodes, as the backhaul upgrade is required for other purposes. Installing new BTSs is a different matter entirely, and I agree they're not great in rural areas (but then no one operator is ahead of the game on that one. Our office is in the middle of the countryside and we get a decent Three signal purely by chance - no 3G from anyone else - but a few miles down the road at home only Orange will work.
All the operators are gradually populating the dead areas where there's a demand, but nobody's going to put 3G in where there aren't enough customers and there's a 2G signal available - the priority is going to the zero signal areas first, and only those where people are calling them and complaining about it.
Agree a femtocell is a strange idea if you use your landline for calls and DSL through a PC, but many people run their entire lives through their cell number, and forwarding it to a landline costs you money when someone calls you. Femtos mean you're not paying for the calls in either direction, and helps people who don't have a wifi-enabled handset to pull down 'free' data.
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Three is the only provider with any kind of 3G coverage in our town (rural shropshire) they claim to best 3g coverage in the UK - and my experience with them backs that up - im with Orange for my phone and Three for my dongle.

Sorry to bring the speed issue again but I read this the other day, which is rather fitting to some of the discussions we've been having of late.

HD2 - Best Network?!

Hi there
My t-mobile contract ends within few weeks and I really want the HD2! My early upgrade offers were reallly bad, so I wait what they offer when the contract actually ends.. BUT - if I switch to other network... please let me know:
***Is there any difference in unlimited internet between T-Mobile (its fast on my Web&Walk!), Virgin, Vodafone?
***Customer service... Im really been happy with T-Mob, I had bad exp with Virgin but that was years ago... what you think?
***Any other plusses having HD2 with certain network?
Thanks guys and girls!

It depends on where you live and on the signal of where you are, there isn't a BEST NETWORK for a phone.

Yes- it's no good getting a cheap deal but finding yourself with no signal!
Mobile Internet: They all still advertise 'unlimited' but they all impose a fair usage policy.
Virgin, T-Mobile and Three have 1GB FUP; O2 say theirs is genuinely unlimited but they reserve the right to throttle the accounts of those they consider abusing the service; Vodafone and Orange both have a limit of 500MB.

but vodafone don't charge you when you go over 500mb unlike orange
I would say go with which ever network doesn't have the iphone clogging up the network but they all seem to have them now

fz9999 said:
but vodafone don't charge you when you go over 500mb unlike orange
I would say go with which ever network doesn't have the iphone clogging up the network but they all seem to have them now
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or you can actually use because they have the signal they advertise..
I can't wait to leave vodafone now, because I've found their coverage to be so bad, despite shown as getting 3g and told it was a temporary fault I find coverage at home to be poor to non existent, and 3g spots to be much smaller than stated often losing coverage outside any halfway decent sized town..
VF Customer service (business) are very good in my experience, until a complaint gets passed onto the network team when they start to come up with every excuse known to mankind.
Seriously tempted to just use my spare "3" payg sim when the contract runs out as I get full coverage and it's cheaper, and I get coverage 99% of the places I travel.

O2 work out quite a bit more than the others - you pay £100 for the HD2 on a £35/month contract, with 600 minutes talk and 1000 texts (if you order over the internet - 500 texts if you do the deal in store). This comes with the Unlimited Web bolt on (which normally costs £7.50), but this is limited to 500mb. And it seems you are charged if you go over this.
I've never dealt with O2, so my apologies if the info is wrong, but this is how I'm finding it.
I'm going to give mobilesphonesdirect a ring, to see what they can do the HD2 for as an upgrade on Tmobile. Tmobile want £340 for me to upgrade, or I can cancel and take out a new contract with m.p.d and pay £93 for the phone for £25 a month. That's £13 more for the phone than Virgin, but we're still not sure if Virgin throttle the data speeds more than Tmobile.
Final note - I'm more interested in the Internet on the phone, then texting with actual phone calls far behind. I talk to my misses enough in the house...

Towserspvm2000 said:
Final note - I'm more interested in the Internet on the phone, then texting with actual phone calls far behind. I talk to my misses enough in the house...
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I'm with Vodafone on their £20/month sim-only deal and worryingly I've found signal to be better where I live (which is advertised as variable outdoor coverage on their 3G map) than where I work (which is advertised as strong indoor 3G), so don't rely on their 3G coverage map service as the gospel truth.
I can achieve decent download rates via 3G, typically 150-200kbps which I guess equates to a 5mb broadband link, not too shabby.

Order a load of free pay and go sim cards from the different networks and try them out in the areas you frequent all the time.

H2D2 said:
I can achieve decent download rates via 3G, typically 150-200kbps which I guess equates to a 5mb+ broadband link, not too shabby.
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??? 5Mb (megabit) = roughly 5000Kb so your 150-200Kb is way, way under that!
Your speeds are consistent with a fair 3G signal. HSDPA should give about 1200Kbps (= 1.2Mb or thereabouts) in real life though that will depend on proximity to the cell site, cell congestion etc.

NeilM said:
??? 5Mb (megabit) = roughly 5000Kb so your 150-200Kb is way, way under that!
Your speeds are consistent with a fair 3G signal. HSDPA should give about 1200Kbps (= 1.2Mb or thereabouts) in real life though that will depend on proximity to the cell site, cell congestion etc.
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Fair enough, I'm just relating to real-world conditions where 5mb broadband doesn't equal anywhere near 5000kbps My 18mb broadband connection only achieves 1mb/s download speeds for example

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Virgin piggyback off T-mobile?
So does this mean that if t-mob throttle the usage, the throttle is also applicable to Virgin Mob customers?
I used to be with Virgin and the coverage was great, now with Vodafone and was always told about their superior coverage compared to other networks.
I have to say I'm sadly dissapointed, I often find it drops out completely. Even in the city centre where you'd assume coverage would be good, I often get "cold" spots with no signal, yet 25m down the road I have full HSDPA signal..... weird.

bdb25 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Virgin piggyback off T-mobile?
So does this mean that if t-mob throttle the usage, the throttle is also applicable to Virgin Mob customers?
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That's what it seems, although we are trying to see if Tmobile restrict and throttle the Virgin side of things even more...
See this thread here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=615643

O2's data limit is actually 1GB per month, they just don't like to tell people.
If you negotiate a bit with T-Mobile you may be able to get onto their 3GB/month tariff at not much (if any) extra cost. (When I was buying I had a choice between 900 minutes, unlimited texts and 1GB/month or 1000 minutes, 500 texts and 3GB/month at the same price).
T-Mobile handset deals generally work out cheaper than other networks, but there are hidden extras: you have to pay for Voicemail calls (they don't come out of your minutes) and you don't get any free MMS messages at all (while O2, say, counts an MMS message as four SMS messages from your allowance).
One thing that irritates me about T-Mobile is that they don't support EDGE, which means if there's no 3G signal you drop straight to basic GPRS speeds. Back when I was with O2, if there was no 3G signal there was still a chance you could get EDGE, which is substantially quicker than plain GPRS.
I'd advise any buyer to be wary of mobilephonesdirect - their after-sales service is simply shocking, so if your phone develops a fault you may not get a replacement unless you're willing to take legal action.

Just to add to the previous post,
Vodafone and Virgin Mobile also charge you for MMS messages

Virgin mobile seem to cap data speed at about 384kbps.
Most of them cap the speed.
In fact I tried m.speedtest.com in a vodafone store and the phone refused to load the site.
My vodafone account got defrauded and they charged me for calls which were obviously fraudulent - masked number to US/canada at over £1 a minute that appeared as 121 on my bill....on the 29th of the month every month since November.
So I'm not happy with their idiocy but it forced me to try T-mobile.
I've found that in most places T-mobile works better than vodafone - I seem to have a 3G signal in more places and more consistently. however, that means that my E65 only lasts barely a day....With vodafone's 3G constantly dropping most of the time I was on 2G...haha, funny that!!
I think the 2/2.5G signal of vodafone is better. The 3G T-mobile signal is better. At least where i go. T-mobile reaches deep into the basement of my law school, whereas vodafone could only reach 2feet into the area.
Vodafone pluses:
includes voicemail to mins
Much cheaper fixed rate roaming not per minute
Robust 2G network
competitive plans.
T-mobile plusses:
1GB data
Much better 3G network.
-ves:
Charge for voicemail
Expensive roaming.
Less good 2G network.
Quite expensive tariffs and phones.
Virgin pluses:
Cheapest deal with mins+phone for free without going ot reseller.
T-mobile network
-ves:
unknown newbie - reseller.
Data capped at 384.

I was on a T-Mobile Combi 30 + W'n'W for £35 a month (18 month contract, 600mins/unlimited txts) plan, when it came time to upgrade a fortnight ago they wanted £70 for the phone, which I would happily have paid. Fortunately they didn't have any in stock at the time. I say fortunately as another rep called me back about a week later and proposed I go on the Flext 35 for 18 months, which has a £180 per month allowance (plus internet) but the phone is free, since I never use anywhere near my minutes, or send millions of txts it's a good plan for me, plus free HD2!
The phone comes without any T-Mobile graffiti on it thankfully, and since HardSPL was released, the stock branded T-Mobile ROM lasted all of an hour.

Also really depends in which country you reside.
Vodafone NL never warned me for over-usage, while I had months exceeding 500MB PER SESSION.. Never heard from them.
Speed is about 1mbit/s here at home. Signal is good in most cases. On the highway I usually get 2mbit/s.

May be slightly off topic but anyone else using this phone with Virgin and having issues with connection?
Mine says 3g sometimes but then reverts to H or even G. Also having issues at work where coverage is supposed to be good but there are times I'm not getting any signal at all. Did try the sim in anoether phone and the signal was strong so wondering if its the phone.
Thanks in advance!

Towserspvm2000 said:
O2 work out quite a bit more than the others - you pay £100 for the HD2 on a £35/month contract, with 600 minutes talk and 1000 texts (if you order over the internet - 500 texts if you do the deal in store). This comes with the Unlimited Web bolt on (which normally costs £7.50), but this is limited to 500mb. And it seems you are charged if you go over this.
I've never dealt with O2, so my apologies if the info is wrong, but this is how I'm finding it.
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Hi im new here, thought i would register as i have my new leo coming 2morrow, cant wait. I ordered a hd2 from o2 today, unlimited txts, unlimited web, 600 xnet mins free phone 18 month contract for £35pm. had to ring up and say i was going to leave if they couldent match the deal they were very friendly. t-mobile and voda do the same sort of deals on dialafone n places like that.

Duddy1986 said:
Hi im new here, thought i would register as i have my new leo coming 2morrow, cant wait. I ordered a hd2 from o2 today, unlimited txts, unlimited web, 600 xnet mins free phone 18 month contract for £35pm. had to ring up and say i was going to leave if they couldent match the deal they were very friendly. t-mobile and voda do the same sort of deals on dialafone n places like that.
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Welcome to the group!! Hope the phone is what you want. You will be in for a steep learning curve, but this is the best forum group to ask questions in.

UK Sim only plans/decent offers....

Im after selling my iphone 3g and buying this phone sim free and using a sim only plan/pay as you go smart phone plan....
anyone seen any good deals on a decent network? im looking for unlimited txts and as much net time as possible, dont care about minutes...who uses the phone part these days eh!
i know tmobile do a basic £10 +£5 per perk which could be internet or unlimited txts but i dont know how good the network actually is....
also tesco mobile seem to be a dirt cheap one too and thats meant to be based on the o2 network?
im quite interested in knowing what vodaphone/orange are like as a 3g/HSDPA provider...my house is just outside the 3g range on o2 but seems to be well in range for orange/vodaphone according to the coverage "maps"
thanks in advance.

3 PAYG has a data add on for £5 which gives you 1GB downloads in a month. Personally speaking I havent had any issues however much I download.

according to the 3 coverage map i may struggle to get a signal indoors.... lol.
orange seems by far the best coverage for me, all excellent coverage for 3g. of course it depends how you interpret these maps...
while on the subject does anyone else think the new 500mb download limits for the majority of UK networks is simply horrible? over 30 days thats around 16-17mb per day.......even browsing and viewing a few videos on youtube might be touching around that.....