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HTC Universal and The USA

I've had the Wallaby since T-Mobile (USA) offered it (I think about three years). I've gotten a lot of good use out of it, mostly thanks to this forum. However, it's time for me to upgrade, and I'd like some feedback from everyone.
First, I'd like to upgrade to a device that has an intergraded keyboard, since my wife has the h4355 and, comparing usage of her device to mine in that respect, it is indispensable in my opinion. So if I upgraded now I would like to get a Blue Angel clone.
But, all these glowing reviews and pictures of the HTC Universal tempt me to wait to upgrade. It truly looks like a dream device!
Since I live in the USA, though, our carriers may not pick this up for another year (if at all?), and at my rate of years-per-upgrade I would probably miss out on quite a bit. So here are what seem to be my choices at the moment:
1.) Forget about getting my hands on the Universal for the next year (or longer), upgrade to the BA now.
2.) Wait until it is released in Europe and probably pay well over $1000 to buy it from a third party.
3.) It is worth the wait for a US carrier to pick it up. It may be a shorter time than I think.
4.) Other.
So which would you do?
Other things to keep in mind are that there are no decent BA's currently offered by any of the US carriers, they are all stripped versions, minus this feature or that feature. So I would have to get one of those from Europe anyway. Do you think US carriers will strip the Universal the same way they have with the BA? Additionally, as someone else previously mentioned, how much do you expect the Universal to be, if the BA is currently around $800?
Can anyone offer any speculation of cost or release date in the USA?
Thanks for the feedback!
Shawn

I think that the universal keyboard will be better than the thumboard on the BA - so you should not buy a BA now, unless you REALLY need something now.
The Universal will be released in europe probably sometime in september from what I have been hearing, so you can get it in a few months for the "normal" price of 900-1200 (which is what the range was for the BA when it originally came out)
It is not likely that US carriers will release this. *maybe* T-mobile will release it, but judging from their past history, it seems unlikely.
Cingular will DEFINATELLY not release it because it lacks GSM 850. Also the UMTS band that is on the universal is not 1900/850 which is what Cingular uses and will use in the future. if the universal was quadband GSM and triband UMTS it might have been a different story.
If you are on the T-Mo network and really want it, just get it when it gets released in europe. That way you have form, function and the WOW factor since it wont be released in the US
Note to HTC: please, please, please make the next version of the universal quadband GSM and at least dual band UMTS (1900/2100)

I will select the "WAIT" if I were you, T-Mobile in NYC was not able to setup my Qetk 9090 on GPRS, the anwser of their failure... we do not know this device... :? (however I succeed to make it work) But I would also wait, PocketPC Italia is talking about 2 devices this year and more coming in 2006 It only depends on how "wealthy" you are but well if you purchase the Universal and that a 9090 like shows up... what will you do?
By the way if you are in the Chicago area you may find a lost Universal
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/_assets/video/TechEd/Final-MobilityV7-300K.wvx
Bottom line this is a nice devie not SO big but the lack of Screen control on the body (like a communicator) may make it borring to use (my 2 cents)

Perhaps North American users can wait and hope for an 850 MHz model, like done with the JAM.

i voted other
i dont know whyi anybody that has already a HTC machine capable of using win2005 will upgrade for a company that dont support the machines they build.
i will stay with my qtek2020 and if i dont have 2005 for it i will choose another manufacter....
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Re: i voted other
rictec said:
i dont know whyi anybody that has already a HTC machine capable of using win2005 will upgrade for a company that dont support the machines they build.
i will stay with my qtek2020 and if i dont have 2005 for it i will choose another manufacter....
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There are some people on earth, like, who are FED UP of only being able to use his 9090 only when he is outside of his country... In Japan we ONLY HAVE 3G... and I cannot use the phone function of my 9090 that I love when I m in a GSM country... so I will buy again and again and again ANY HTC Products simply because of their amazing quality and potential (look around can you cook an iPAQ 4700 or a Treo? and how EASY it is to change a rom) and with a Phone capability...
Cheers

Anyone know if the build quality changes are showing up in Non-US versions as well?

Hi everyone -
Based on some of the reports out there, such as the Boy Genius review, it sounds like the US (CDMA) version has some improvements over the GSM version, specifically the build quality of the slider and a better keyboard. I'm in the US but want the GSM version (I use AT&T) and am thinking of getting an import.
Given the delay in availablility, my guess is the US/CDMA version was designed and built after the GSM version, so they may have made some production tweaks. Anyone know if those same tweaks are showing up in the GSM model? If not I may just get the CDMA model, even with that stupid attached flappy thing.
Thanks!
Mike

landshark said:
Hi everyone -
Based on some of the reports out there, such as the Boy Genius review, it sounds like the US (CDMA) version has some improvements over the GSM version, specifically the build quality of the slider and a better keyboard. I'm in the US but want the GSM version (I use AT&T) and am thinking of getting an import.
Given the delay in availablility, my guess is the US/CDMA version was designed and built after the GSM version, so they may have made some production tweaks. Anyone know if those same tweaks are showing up in the GSM model? If not I may just get the CDMA model, even with that stupid attached flappy thing.
Thanks!
Mike
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i suggest u wait because even if they are producing gsm shifts with the new improvments then it will take a while till they trickle down to the shops. plus the wait will also allow the price to go down.

Pawel062 said:
i suggest u wait because even if they are producing gsm shifts with the new improvments then it will take a while till they trickle down to the shops. plus the wait will also allow the price to go down.
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have you ever seen the price of HTC product lowering down ?
I wish the shift could get the price lowered ... will see !

koala996 said:
have you ever seen the price of HTC product lowering down ?
I wish the shift could get the price lowered ... will see !
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yes but i ment on the online shops. the touch cruise used to be over 800 new. not its about 700 new. shift will be same. u might see it soon going on ebay for about 1400-1500.

WAIT???? But I want it NOW!!!!
<Credit to Verucia Salt and Charlie and the Chocolate factory>
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Thanks for the replies! Yeah, I know I should wait, but I was hoping someone would say all was well and the changes had already trickled down. If I wait, I'll probably end up with an Asus EEE 900.....<grin>
Mike

Why wait?
If you want one now, just get it.
And get the one you want, the GSM model.
A few weeks ago (at the UMPC Portal meeting after CeBIT) I had a chance to hold and play a little with a UK model (what you'd probably go for).
This was the most solidly built UMPC (actually, the Asus R2E felt similar but is a completely different type) that I had layed hands on yet (and on that day I held quite a few) and I can't imagine that any improvements that they might or might not have made to the CDMA model would really be significant. The sliding mechanism worked very well, although I must admit you needed both hands to close it. To me this is no issue taking the size of the Shift into account. It is not a 3" phone that I'd expect to operate with one hand. With the way I would use the Shift in mind I actually prefer it to be a little "sturdier".
If the sliding mechanism on the CDMA model in the review really was more "loose", this could also point to production variations or some people probably would even interprete this as an (insignificantly) lower build quality oft that version .
If you should be interested in an opinion of the build quality of the German version (released last week), wait another day, I will pick MY Shift up from the post office tomorrow.
By the way, something else to consider: The GSM model does not have the case bolted on. It is really ridiculous that somebody at the FCC thought this would protect users from too much radiation Probably HTC should add a roll of aluminum foil to the package - one can make wonderful hats from that

Completely agree with the last post. My Shift is very sturdy and build quality is superb, sliding action is firm but smooth, just how you'd want it.

landshark said:
Hi everyone -
Based on some of the reports out there, such as the Boy Genius review, it sounds like the US (CDMA) version has some improvements over the GSM version, specifically the build quality of the slider and a better keyboard. I'm in the US but want the GSM version (I use AT&T) and am thinking of getting an import.
Given the delay in availablility, my guess is the US/CDMA version was designed and built after the GSM version, so they may have made some production tweaks. Anyone know if those same tweaks are showing up in the GSM model? If not I may just get the CDMA model, even with that stupid attached flappy thing.
Thanks!
Mike
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I talked to tech support today about an wifi issue. I have an import gsm
He told me in May the shift will be in US in both cdma and a unlocked gsm version. He had a unlocked gsm US version himself while on the phone with me.
Also said the US gsm version has an updated ROM than what my import gsm version has and includes telanav on both the cdma and gsm.
will not have a built in gps reciever, will triangulate position off cell towers

evo in the uk

Hello all
you lucky sods we are not getting this phone or a version of it here in the U.K or Europe. So my ? is what’s the possibility of this phone working on our networks as i am thinking of getting one from you lucky sods. cheers jez

The EVO is a CDMA phone, so if you could somehow unlock the phone and then get it activated on a UK CDMA network(do such things exist?) you could get it working.

Tilton53 said:
The EVO is a CDMA phone, so if you could somehow unlock the phone and then get it activated on a UK CDMA network(do such things exist?) you could get it working.
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Hello Tilton53
been looking and it appears it will not work on our network and as usual HTC are blind to our requirements and have no plans to launch a version for us. It amazes me how someone who bleets on about how they listen to their users always miss the mark for us. Maybe they will wake up one day and make a phone like this and make it world wide universal. I mean I don’t like apple in any sense but a least they make their products universal and available world wide. Cheers jez
P.S maybe someone here will crack the issue so we can use them and get it from the U.S.A

The UK only has GSM networks, so it's a no-go for you guys. And quit complaining about missing the mark. We've always had to wait months and months for HTC to release their handsets in the US after their European release. I'm sure HTC has something cooking for the rest of the world if the EVO takes off.

Is it flashable?

Hi all,
I've successfully flashed my genuine T-Mobile HTC SP5m in the past and now I'm about to buy this "china made" version of the HTC Touch and I'd like to know if I'll be able of flashing this "fake" HTC Touch to the most recent ROM available, e.g. WM6.5 instead of the pre-loaded WM6.1?
Here's the "fake" HTC Touch I'm about to buy: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21069
In the Discussions section of the DX website, a user is asking if this phone is ROM/firmware upgradeable and here's the answer provided, is it true??
Subject: ROM/firmware upgradeable?
CosmoVitelli Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:40 AM
Without a new ROM image from the manufacturer - forget it.
Simonetti2010 Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:58 AM
You might want to try http://forum.xda-developers.com/
The guys at XDA Developers have up-to-date ROMs for almost every WM phones released.
CosmoVitelli Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:26 PM
Wrong. XDA Dev is focussed on genuine HTC phones, and trying to install a HTC ROM will make any of the chinese copies become a useless brick.
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Thanks all for your time and support,
highmighty

CosmoVitelli is right. I would never by a clone, nor try flashing one. Just spend the extra to buy a ligit phone and have the ability to use XDA!

Thanks for your reply. That's what I finally did, I bought an official HTC XV6900 at half the DX price off eBay, it's new Verizon phone in an opened box. Can't wait to receive it.
I'll have to flash it cause my provider here in Quebec is Fido and not Verizon.
Which firmware with WM6.5 would you guys suggest me?
Thanks all,
highmighty

Thats a vogue, so CDMA, you'll need to head there. They do have FroYo android roms running on it. 6.5 - not sure what roms exist for it.
Are you sure that phone will work for you. It is CDMA, from what I understand, Fido (Rogers) are GSM? I only ask as the DX link was a GSM phone.

Damnit... true, Verizon uses CDMA and my Fido carrier is using GSM, what's next? Reselling the phone as soon as I receive it? I've read somewhere that it is possible to use a CDMA phone on a GSM network, that there are some agreements made between the 2 now, that it will connect to at least the EDGE network but not 3G, etc? Is that true, are you aware of such a thing?
Thank you for your time,
highmighty

I'm not aware of such a thing, we don't seem to have any CDMA here in england, everything is Sim Card GSM Based.
In my honest opinion though, I don't think it will even connect to the GPRS network as there would be nothing telling it teh details (your sim card is not present)

EOF then I guess
Anyone interested by a new HTC CDMA Touch XV6900 currently locked to Verizon??

I'd recommend going to the xda marketplace section in general, you make have some luck there
Could always try to sweet talk the seller into taking a return?
Sorry that I ruined your hopes

Dell Venue Pro on AT&T?

I was at the AT&T store today and was talking to a sales rep. I am currently with AT&T on family plan and I told him that I was going to cancel my phone (the primary line) to T-Mobile to pick up the DVP.
Well, he told me that a Microsoft rep told him that T-Mobile had a 45 day exclusivity on the DVP starting from the launch date (11/8). Further, the DVP will be on 3 carriers once the exclusivity runs out. Now the speculation on the other two was Verizon and possibly AT&T.
He also said that the 3 WP7 phones at AT&T were under the 45 day exclusivity as well and that other carriers would be carrying the three devices currently at AT&T.
He wasn't sure if and when all this would happen but if in fact AT&T will be getting the DVP soon, I can hold out a bit longer as the only reason I was planning on switching to Tmo was for the DVP.
Don't mean to start a wild rumor thread but thought I share what I heard and would like to know if others have heard something similar.
Happy Holidays...

Thats interesting news.

I'm on AT&T too and planning to move to TMobile just for this phone. Hope you're right.

That's good news. I currently have a Focus but still miss a hardware keyboard. 45 Days would put it right after the holiday season which would allow carriers to make their money before the agreement ends. Let's hope this is true.
I hope someone will be able to enable tethering on the DVP and that will be perfect.

lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen

c_legaspi said:
lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen
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Agreed. I have some doubts that something like this will actuall happen. Nevertheless, I'll give it some time - until the reviews of the new and improved launched (part deux) DVPs.
I'm hoping to hear some more from folks who may knowledge or have heard something similar in the meanwhile.

Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.

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Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.
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maybe thats the Dell Venue?
the one with android and without the keyboard?

Another clue might be a statement from Greg Milligan of Microsoft Canada: “the first manufacturers are LG, Samsung, HTC, we’ll have those available here in Canada. We also see Dell coming into the market as well and some other manufacturers in 2011”. (http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/11/29/m...ices-with-hardware-keyboard-coming-to-canada/)
In Canada, AT&T frequencies are dominant right now: ever since Bell and Telus stopped expanding their CDMA network and built an all-3G UMTS/HSPA+ national network on 850/1900, pretty much all their new 3G devices are GSM. Add that to Rogers' existing 850/1900 GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA+ network, and you're looking at AT&T frequency compatibility from our three biggest national carriers. They all launched AT&T-compatible Windows Phone 7 devices last month.
The new "urban" carriers - Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron - are running AWS in major cities. But none of these carriers have launched any WP7 devices.
Dell could just launch the DVP in its current configuration on Wind or Mobilicity (or both). It could also launch the DVP as an EDGE-only device on Rogers (very unlikely). Or, it could build a new DVP with 850/1900 3G support and release it on any combination of Rogers, Bell and Telus for a much larger customer base.

was planning to get the t-mobile version, but i am not sure if i should right now
i am on at&t and i dropped my phone in water last week, want a smartphone so bad right now...

Well, it would appear that HTC HD7 may be headed to AT&T. If so, perhaps this will mean that other "exclusive" phones will find it's way to other carriers. One can only hope...

If Canada gets them, I think we'd be in good shape either way. Their bands are fully compatible, so I wouldn't mind plunking down a few dollars more to get it. However, it would have to be unlocked so that might be an issue (hopefully a short one).
Can't wait!

I had my doubts about this, but it seems quite possible. The FCC has approved two models of the Dell Venue Pro:
FCC ID: E2KV03B002
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=218753&fcc_id='E2KV03B002')
3G band tested: AWS
FCC ID: E2KV03B001
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=425269&fcc_id='E2KV03B001')
3G bands tested: 850/1900
Note: as far as I can tell, these documents don't preclude the "B001" version from also supporting European 3G on 2100 MHz, since the FCC didn't test the 900/2100 euro bands on the "B002" but we know it has them anyway.

It would only make sense that this would happen.
Dell would be crazy to limit their handsets to the smallest Mobile Carrier in terms of subscribers. Giving Tmobile a leg up is okay but to give it the whole leg would be silly.
I would take the HD7 on the AT&T network as I returned by HD7 on the T-MOBILE network due to signal issues.
I would like to have it on the Sprint Network but that isn't happening anytime soon. I do not like the HD PRO they have rumored to get WP7.
The DVP or the HD7 will be my choices for now. a 4.3" S_LCD on the HD7 would be great/

TheGlowingCurve said:
Just for the record, 45 days after the 8th of November would be December 23, 2010.
I'll be checking back on that day (and probably sooner, anyway).
I am also anticipating the DVP. :] I'll be waiting for AT&T.
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Well, given recent news of the delay yet again, I wonder if:
1) At this rate, the DVP will be available on AT&T at the same time as T-Mobile
or
2) This is vaporware and never make it to AT&T
Utterly disappointed with Dell....

Just got this link from MS
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/7/phones.aspx?cmpid=14303401#detail=1568 and was wondering if these bands will work on AT&T. Anyone know?

hmm.....
it only state UMTS 900 and 2100, which are the frequency the rest of the world use
it didn't even state AWS or 1700
interesting

TheGlowingCurve said:
Well, three days left (actually, it may be four days, since the 23rd may be the 45th day).
Just for the record, I did a Google search to check for any updates and found this:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Windows-Phone-7-Dell-Venue-Pro-Headed-to-ATandT-895659/
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It appears that the eweek article is a collection of blog posts on this topic.
With regards to the 45-day, I'm guessing that we won't hear anything until the new year until the holiday shopping period is over.