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RECORDING CALLS, DTMF SEND, PHONE S/W MOD - CODERS REQUIRED

Hi on my older phones like siemens there was an option to send dtmf tones which i used a lot.
EG.
1) I call 0800 CALLING CARD number and get a dialtone from the callco
2) I quickly go into my contacts and pull out the relevant contact and send the number as a dtmf tone
3) I get through to the contact
I really need to be able to send dtmf tones asap!
[PLEASE READ POST 8 FOR DETAILS ABOUT RECORDING CALLS AND MODIFYING PHONE SOFTWARE]

seems to be some software which does it but if any other ideas or software please let me know.
http://www.mobidial.com/mD/

Try dialDTMF at http://sourceforge.net/projects/dialdtmf
On my Jam it works flawlessly.
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Hi there thank you for the pointer!
I am about to try it out later today but have been reading about dialDTMF on here:
http://dialdtmf.sourceforge.net/
It sounds like it is designed before pocket pc's became phones simply to send a dtmf tone through to another phone by holding the pocket pc over the mic of the other phone. In this sense I would describe it as "Emitting DTMF tones" as oppose to "Sending DTMF tones".
This is different in the sense I would like to call a freephone number on the magician and then send the tones on the magician from my contacts. This is what I am calling "Sending DTMF tones".
Im hoping that even though it is designed to *emit* DTMF tones the sound is loud enough to go through to the freephone calling card company!!
Fingers crossed.
If anyone knows of a "Send DTMF tones" solution for the HTC Typhoon - SPV C500 / Sp3 please also post it, thank you!

Hi All,
I'm the developer of dialDTMF, Glad to hear it works out for some people,
As for cell phone support, you are correct it does not send DTMF's using the cell phone api it just makes sounds. You could try upping the volume and hope the mic picks it up like sainthalo mentioned.
The alternative would be to take the source code and update it to send the DTMF tone rather than play it. This would fairly easy for a cell phone developer to do (I don't have time or a cell phone that runs wm2003), should just be a couple of new functions. I'm happy to discuss (via email) though if some one wants to try, The source code is freely available. You could also check out http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~jsyk7570/Xialer/ but it doesn't really handle calling cards.
I've a potentiall silly question: Are 0800 numbers free to call from mobile phones in the UK now? The last time I was over there they weren't (only from landlines). It maybe that using a calling card won't save any money.
Chris

Hi there clach04,
Thanks for signing up to these forums to help in this quest!
DialDTMF works as it is designed - as a Pocket PC DTMF tone generator but not to send DTMF tones down the Magician phoneline.
Okay, i'm sad to report that it does not work because it is not using the api and so is a "DTMF Emitter" rather than a "DTMF Sender".
There are several coders around here who are very active so god willing one of them will be along to help although it's something like this which gives the real urge to learn how to code. DO you have any advice for me (links, tools, etc) if I were to try and achieve this myself?
As for the 0800 codes there are some tarriffs left in the UK where you are entitled to call 0800 numbers to come off free minutes or simply as genuine free phone calls - thankfully I have one of these older contracts and therefore I can use calling card services.
Best regards
sainthalo

Guys, I would love to help out but with my upcoming nuptials it might be difficult.
However, I'm thinking thus:
Emitting DTMF is easy, play it out of the speaker.
Sending dtmf will require interfacing with the Phone part of the PDA; you should be aware that our PDA Phones are actually two semi-independant devices, phone and PDA; have you noticed you can switch off the PDA and still continue with a call? The two devices communicate through a virtual COM port:- this is done through AT commands and/or RIL. This is not an area of the PDA I have had much experience with yet, but what I understand so far is that it is very difficult to send data through to the Phone part of the PDA, from the PDA part.
This sounds absurd, and I may be absurdly wrong, but I suspect it is a similar problem to the existing issue about recording in-progress telephone calls. We don't yet know how, or if it is possible at all to interface directly into that part of the PDA and interact with the data, and so recording both sides of a phone calls is currently considered impossible.
I know user Pai has done a lot of work on Cell ID and other interfacing on that side of things. I suggest giving him a bell (no pun intended!) and asking his opinion.
I'll try to monitor this thread though.
clach04 - Do you have any further thoughts on this?
V
EDIT: Guys, I just had a thought. In the very old modem days school, we used to dial using at commands AT P (for pulse dialling, or AT T for tone)
eg AT P 123 would dial 123
It would do this by generating DTMF tones!
It should be possible I presume to send DTMF tones in this way as discussed above (RIL/AT). Anyone concur? This can be tested I presume with a terminal program, or just find COM code on this board. I'll try to find it if I get a chance.
V

Hey thanks Vijay, i'll keep my fingers crossed you come back to think about this in the future!
I have had another thought following Vijay's post and realised that a few other bugbears which many people find a tad annoying and would like to circumvent are possibly linked to this case. I have read on here people would like to play a recording/song from the Magician to a caller they are speaking to. I have done this many times on a Siemens SL45i but not on HTC Typhoon or Magician.
Im guessing the inability to play a Magician located recording/song down the Magician phoneline is down to the same reason that the dtmfDialer will not make a noise during a call - something is blocking out use of the speaker by PPC based software. Im assuming it is the PHONE software which locks out other PPC software.
If we can hack the PHONE calling software so that it allows other software to operate as normal it may well impact/solve the following problems:
Recording both sides of voice calls clearly
Sending DTMF tones
Playing recordings/music to other side of call
The dtmfDialer definitely does something during a call and I think i can hear some suppressed clicking when attempting to send a dtmfDialer tone during a phone call but sadly no audible tones. This possibly confirms my theory that the PHONE CALL SOFTWARE is blocking use of the speaker.
Well what do you all think? Possibly an awesome fix to many problems if the phone dialer can be hacked...

Saint, with regard to recording calls, there are other threads on this issue where much better men than I have said it's impossible, at least right now.
As I understand it, there's no direct connection between the phone and the pda bit, so playing something out of the speaker isn't playing it down the line - so the best we've got is "emission" rather then send.
This isn't a limitation by the caller program, it's a hardware limitation caused by the way our PDA phones are hacked together.
However, I think the AT P commands should crack this. I'll look into it at some point, if I can find example code.
V

Saint, with regard to recording calls, there are other threads on this issue where much better men than I have said it's impossible, at least right now.
As I understand it, there's no direct connection between the phone and the pda bit, so playing something out of the speaker isn't playing it down the line - so the best we've got is "emission" rather then send.
This isn't a limitation by the caller program, it's a hardware limitation caused by the way our PDA phones are hacked together.
However, I think the AT P commands should crack this. I'll look into it at some point, if I can find example code.
V

vijay555 said:
you should be aware that our PDA Phones are actually two semi-independant devices, phone and PDA;
....
The two devices communicate through a virtual COM port:- this is done through AT commands and/or RIL.
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clach04 - Do you have any further thoughts on this?
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Not really, my comments about how easy it would be to extend dialDTMF were from the dialDTMF contacts plugin perspective. It sounds like the SDK/api for these devices (for phone use) is pretty thin :-( If you do find that a modem AT style dial works you can replace the dtmf player in dialDTMF with a dial-string generator - the hard bit will be the interface to the phone. The dialing rules library I put into dialDTMF actually has a demo program that dumps dial strings to stdout (when ran on the desktop) - but until the phone api is resolved that is only midly interesting/useful now.
The AT style dial string approach sounds workable from the description.
sainthalo said:
DO you have any advice for me (links, tools, etc) if I were to try and achieve this myself?
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That's one of those open ended questions that are really tricky to answer, I suspect this forum you are on is the best place to start as I suspect they have links to everything you will need:
You need a Cross compiler for WinCE:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3D-50D1-41B2-A107-FA75AE960856&displaylang=en
I guess youwill need a phone sdk:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...99-EC5C-427C-807C-4C0F96765A81&displaylang=en
I'm not clear from reading the comments that this is for your device though..
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If you nead to learn C then your learning curve will be pretty steep, try http://www.cyberdiem.com/vin/learn.html as a starting point
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32/ is a nice small system and has tutorials to get you started with simple desktop programs
As for the actual phone SDK/api - I've no idea (and no phone) sorry I can't be of more help. Once the basic how to send DTMF's through the phone is solved converting dialDTMF will be pretty straight forward and I can point people in the right direction with that,
Chris

clach - I agree it should be very easy to converter over your DTMF code to AT or equivalent once someone hacks in AT commands.
General:
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=19866&highlight=commands
There's code here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/vie...start=25&sid=3e4fdf4cec07bfe39e806da375db69c3
that I'm going to look into for CellID at some point. However, if you look through you can see how they're sending standard AT commands.
Hope that points someone somewhere!
Re: learning c++. I've only been using it for < 1 month, and it is a steep learning curve, but there are some things that can only be done in C++ and EVB isn't worth touching generally IMHO. So, steep learning curve it is. I'll be on the beach with C++ for Dummies :wink:
V

Guys i need some help with a programe
Something fun
1, Phone captures the UPC barcode/ISBN number (manually/scanning/etc)
2, Software converts UPC to ISBN (this is done via a simple formula)
3, Software converts ISBN to DTMF (or touch tone)
4, Software ready to accept new UPC barcode/ISBN number
(manually/scanning/etc) :roll:
Let me know if anyone wants to take on this project
[email protected]

RIL (Radio Interface Layer)
I got this from google - it may be the key. I've not looked into it yet but thought I'd post it to see if anyone has gone down the RIL road yet and if they've got any ideas:
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how to send DTMF on smartphone?
I found RIL_SendDTMF function of RIL API
but I don't know how to use it?
May I LoadLibrary of RILGSM.dll and GetProcAddress of RIL_SendDTMF function
to realize send DTMF?
or have another simply method?
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RIL
FYI:
RILGSM.dll can also be known as RIL.dll

URGENT URGENT: Bluetooth OBEX

Hi all,
I am really mad from this OBEX bluetooth thing, I have spent a month trying to add BT OBEX support in my program but ith no luck, I scanned the internet line by line and found almost nothing.
I found things on codeproject and experts-exchange, but not of much use and some did not work correctly.
I saw some programs that deal with obex developed in this forum like GSMBeam and maybe others.
Any one knows how to program BT OBEX for file exchange?? I need to only send a file!! any libraries for evc++? I am really tired now and this is my last place to save my project.
I hope I will find help here

Don't know if this works for you... give it a go..
To change the ability to receive files via Bluetooth (OBEX)
* The setting is at 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Obex'
* The 'IsEnabled' DWORD value should be set to '1' to enable OBEX and '0' to disable OBEX.

Hi,
The problem is not with my device, the registry settings are correct, but I need help for developing my BT Obex application, specifically, I need my application to be able to send files to other devices via bluetooth (just like resco explorer).
ANY HELP GUYS? ANY C++ LIBRARIES? ANYONE DID THAT BEFORE?
please shade some light if you can.
Thanks in advance

Aaaa... IC
U could try here... http://www.gatefold.co.uk/obex/
It's a test-ware for sending contacts and files by bluetooth and there's a source and compiles software that u could d/load 2 test...
Hope this helps

Hi,
Thanks for your help, but as I wrote in the first post, I need it for c++, I already have this library but unfortunately it is for .NET applications, not c++.
I need some help on c++
Thanks again.
Come on guys... provide something

Would this help you out?
And maybe this

Thanks _Nomad_ for your help.
But again, both links are dedicated to the .NET CF, but I am using eVC++, so they are not useful for me.
I need some thing to use in eVC++, not .NET.
Thanks anyway.
And Guys, if any body knows anything useful please let me know.

mohgdeisat said:
I need some thing to use in eVC++, not .NET.
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Use the force luke...
search for "obexsquirt"
the result will lead you to a full functioning c++ source code for obex transfer over both bt and irda.
cheers

Yes, thanks.
Actually I have the book that introduced this sample but some code is missing in the book.
I found another code derived from obexsquirt sample, it works fine but the problem is that it fails to disconnect from the target device and the connection remains open, I tried to debug it but found nothing to correct, the code seems to be written correctly but I don't know why the problem arises.
Please try to see the code guys and tell me whatever you get:
Article:
http://www.developer.com/ws/palm/article.php/10946_3573636_3
Code sample:
http://www.developer.com/img/2005/12/Obex.zip
Thanks guys

TCPMP No Sound!

"Wave Output Device error"
HI guys I have installed mary 3.4.1 every thing was working fine with it.
I installed the TCPMP player and watched a few small Divx files to check it out. Everything was fine then the above message appeared. ( after 20 mins )
The phones ringtone does not work, nor does the alarm work.
Basicly I have no sound.
Can some one help please.
I have searched the forum first.

Have you found the solution. I basically got the same problem today, after installation of some bluetooth updates. Really frustrated.

It might be a driver problem.
Check your registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\WaveDev and look for the keys DLL and Old Driver and their values. They basically describe your current driver (DLL) and your previous driver (Old Driver).
You might want to switch the values for those two.

tnyynt,
I understand this isn't related to the ROM specified above. I have the standard WM5 MDA and getting the same error message all of a sudden...what should I be looking for in the WaveDeve registry entry? I see Dll, IClass, Index, Order and Prefix using PHM Regedit...the only value I see in Dll is "wavedev.dll"...any help would be appreciated...thanks!

Bluetooth Name Change Software

Here you will find a little tool to change your Device's Bluetooth name without going to the registry yourself.
http://gbit.ath.cx
It's free and more apps will be released.

Thanks. This is exactly the type of thing I could use.

Would it be possible to make a program to toggle on/off the "Wireless Stereo" and/or "Hands Free" services for a particular Bluetooth device automatically.
I created the attached Mortscript file to do it, but it is very slow and cumbersome. I use this to allow me to switch from my Plantronics headset to my JVC radio when I am in my car. The SendKeys("Settings","2") line in the mortscript code is used to pick the headset named 260Plantronics in my bluetooth devices list. I thought you could make it use a parameter to pass the device name to the program, so any device may be chosen. I use the registry reading part of Battery Status to show me if the headset service is enabled or not.
The registry keys for the devices is under HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Device\???????????\Services\????????\enabled, where the first set of ?s is the device and the second set of ?s is the service. I tried changing the registry keys with mortscript but it doesn't affect the actual settings in the setting menu and the Plantronics is still connected. Even after a soft reset the Plantronics will still be connected even though the registry keys show 0 and the settings items are unchecked.
Code:
iscar=RegRead("HKLM","\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Device\000389c44266\Services\0000111e-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb\","enabled")
Run("\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Tools\BlueSet.lnk")
WaitFor("Settings",10)
SendKeys("Settings","2")
Sleep(500)
SendCR("Settings")
Sleep(500)
MouseClick("Settings",17,109)
MouseClick("Settings",17,127)
Sleep(500)
MouseClick("Settings",195,308)
Sleep(500)
Close("Settings")
Exit

installation folder
i have eten glofiish m700 with WM6.1
i installed the CAB & it created a new folder on the main memory called \pogram files%provider% with the BlueName folder inside it
i believe it should have created the BlueName folder inside the original main program files folder, so i did a copy & paste of the BlueName there
It works fine & nice & light software..does exactly what it should do ... but i wanted to mention the "folder" destination error to you
Thanks again for the nice cab

ok, thanks i will check the installation and upp a correct one.

elkneo said:
ok, thanks i will check the installation and upp a correct one.
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great
please update us here & post something to let us know that the new one is there so we go get it
again good work

corrected version is online now. visit my page for more software...

Thanks for the update.

Hi ,
URL http://gbit.ath.cx is not working . I was looking for the solution to change the bluetooth radio name . any ideas ?

anil_k_22 said:
Hi ,
URL http://gbit.ath.cx is not working . I was looking for the solution to change the bluetooth radio name . any ideas ?
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Here you go.
I hope he doesn't mind me posting his cab here since his site seems to be down.

Bluetooth Audio Gateway Control

Application is designed to control BAG (Bluetooth Audio Control) service state on Windows Mobile systems. It can enable/disable audio/microphone routing to Bluetooth headset, set volume and microphone gain, enable/disable voice command launch application.
Writing this little piece of code was inspired by inability of AGEphone Mobile (ver 2.71) to collaborate with Bluetooth headset.
Really it can be used for other purposes as well. You can make some useful shortcuts or use it in some scripting language.
It is “command line” application (no GUI). Command line switches controls application behavior.
There are two working modes: “keep resident” (default: able to save and restore all settings) and “on fly” - for quick change.
Application itself and documentation with samples in attached file.

Thanks alot i'm downloading now!

gui in next ver?

Thank you very much for writing this! Your utility goes alone perfectly with AGEphone Mobile and is perfect for anyone who wants to use a BT headset AND voice command - highly recommended vs. the standard "BTAudioToggle" !

I'm trying to get this to launch via startup to see if it will work with my bt headset and voice command.
I'm just using "\Windows\bagctrl.exe /O"
as my shortcut link but it gives me an error the app isnt signed..I assume I'm probably just an idiot and not making my shortcut right..Can anyone help me please?

vidmabal said:
Application is designed to control BAG (Bluetooth Audio Control) service state on Windows Mobile systems. It can enable/disable audio/microphone routing to Bluetooth headset, set volume and microphone gain, enable/disable voice command launch application.
Writing this little piece of code was inspired by inability of AGEphone Mobile (ver 2.71) to collaborate with Bluetooth headset.
Really it can be used for other purposes as well. You can make some useful shortcuts or use it in some scripting language.
It is “command line” application (no GUI). Command line switches controls application behavior.
There are two working modes: “keep resident” (default: able to save and restore all settings) and “on fly” - for quick change.
Application itself and documentation with samples in attached file.
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Many thanks, vidmabal - it works like a dream and does exactly what I was looking for!

MrDSL said:
I'm trying to get this to launch via startup to see if it will work with my bt headset and voice command.
I'm just using "\Windows\bagctrl.exe /O"
as my shortcut link but it gives me an error the app isnt signed..I assume I'm probably just an idiot and not making my shortcut right..Can anyone help me please?
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Yes, application is not digitally signed.
If you want to use it you first must enable not signed applications (but there are plenty of them around).
To do this you can use "Advanced Config" or alternatively set registry value with some registry editor. "Total Commander" or "Resco explorer" can help you performing this task.
Registry key is "HKLM\Security\Policies\Policies" value name is "0000101a" (if not exists create new DWORD value) and must be set to 1.
P.s. I really don't know why you want to run it on startup and expecially with /O key

eazy2001x said:
gui in next ver?
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Really not.
Application is designed to run without user intervention.
That’s why even all errors are silently ignored: no MessageBox for invalid keys or some other errors.
Even I don't see what GUI can be helpful. Except maybe for microphone gain changing. Volume normally has control keys on Bluetooth device itself.
Of course you can use it with Mortscript or some other scripting language and make some interface in here. Error codes returned (not present in attached document)
0 - No error (all OK)
128 (0x80) - Error redirecting audio (normally occurs if Bluetooth device is not connected)
129 (0x81) - BAG0: device not found
130 (0x82) - Invalid command line parameters

since u coded this, ive got a small question. do u think there is any chance to disable a remote microphone and use the internal one instead?
im asking this because the mic from my car radio totaly fails its job (JVC KD-BT11) and the internal from my phone (x1) is far supirior to it.

Nice work man, just find my bt headset behind the microwave oven (my girlfriend didn't know anything)
I'm going to write a small mortscript to controll the commnd line.

vidmabal said:
Yes, application is not digitally signed.
If you want to use it you first must enable not signed applications (but there are plenty of them around).
To do this you can use "Advanced Config" or alternatively set registry value with some registry editor. "Total Commander" or "Resco explorer" can help you performing this task.
Registry key is "HKLM\Security\Policies\Policies" value name is "0000101a" (if not exists create new DWORD value) and must be set to 1.
P.s. I really don't know why you want to run it on startup and expecially with /O key
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I'll have to look into it more but I already have advanc config to run unsigned apps..

achmed20 said:
since u coded this, ive got a small question. do u think there is any chance to disable a remote microphone and use the internal one instead?
im asking this because the mic from my car radio totaly fails its job (JVC KD-BT11) and the internal from my phone (x1) is far supirior to it.
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The application has nothing common with Bluetooth transport. Really it only send control codes to BAG service (Bluetooth Audio Gateway). This one is coded by Microsoft. I think other BT stack providers (for compatibility reasons) also supports such service.
According to documentation there is no such control code to enable only audio and leave microphone untouched. (Maybe there is, but undocumented, as M$ like to do).
Also it depends on BT profiles your device support. Maybe it has some "stereo headset" without mic?

Here i made a mortscript gui for this tool:
just extract to \Program Files\BTAGC
all files are included
Now make a shortcut of config.mscr in your start menu

vidmabal said:
The application has nothing common with Bluetooth transport. Really it only send control codes to BAG service (Bluetooth Audio Gateway). This one is coded by Microsoft. I think other BT stack providers (for compatibility reasons) also supports such service.
According to documentation there is no such control code to enable only audio and leave microphone untouched. (Maybe there is, but undocumented, as M$ like to do).
Also it depends on BT profiles your device support. Maybe it has some "stereo headset" without mic?
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The radio itself offers "Bluetooth Headset" and "freespeech".
i tried to disable the freespeech (bluetooth settings in winmo) but somehow my phone still uses the radio as microphone.
guess i have to get my soldering iron and make some hardware mods to my radio. looks like disabling a bluetooth mic isnt going to work.
PS: but thx

old post i know, but do you know if there is a way to display the error msgs on screen somehow ? I think im getting errors.

Pytte said:
old post i know, but do you know if there is a way to display the error msgs on screen somehow ? I think im getting errors.
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Really there is no much error processing here. But you can try to start app from say Mortscript and examine return code. See message #8 for return codes.

Thanks for your effort put into this.
Could you please confirm if/how is it possible to do just one thing:
1. Cyberon Voice Speed Dialer installed on phone.
2. BT button does not invoke it (audio route opened, and dialer screen opened, but no Speed Dialer. Reg Key exists)
3. Can this program help do it? (which mode resident/on fly, which extension to exe file and how to launch it (start-up or something else))
Many thanks in advance!

Thanks
Thanks a lot vidmabal, this is what I was looking for.
Cheers

Will this program work on an HD2 which i think uses a widcomm bluetooth stack??

dino_Donis said:
Will this program work on an HD2 which i think uses a widcomm bluetooth stack??
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Really I don't know.
I am operating with service "BAG0:" ("Bluetooth Audio Gateway") - you can check if it is present in your system.
1. Launch Fdsoft Task Manager
2. Go into "Services" page.
3. Check that you have started service BAG0:
Alternatively you can check it in registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\BTAGSVC
(Service name can differ, but "Prefix" value must be "BAG" and "Index" must be 0, "IsEnabled" value must be 1)