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Dual MiniSD I/O possible?

i recently stumbled on a thread on Hackaday, where there was one entry where he managed to piggy back the connection of the SD and hard wired it to a SD Wifi, leaving the SD slot open for a SD memory card (parallel connection).
The question is, is it possible to do the same on an Atom? or any PPC for that matter? Maybe, a dummy SD or minisd with two MiniSD2SD connectors (for holder) in parallel so you could connect a minisd memory on one and a minisd wifi on the other. I wonder if the parallel connection will work?
Also correct me if im wrong, but i read somewhere that the SDIO uses two modes of communication with the SD, one is serial i think and the other is direct or something, but the latter is much slower and only good for devices like wifi and stuff and the direct method is for memory. So saying that, i guess 2 Memory card is not possible, and only Device and Memory is quite plausible.
I hope its possible. Anyone care to enlighten the subject?

why do you need to install an sdio wifi card to your atom when it already has built-in wifi? Anyway, it would be better if someone can make a sd to usb converter. This way, we can expand the sd card capacity to that of a flash drive. or maybe we can expand the RAM by replacing it with a flash drive? Anyway, maybe an expert can give his 2 cents on this.

Can i get a XD card reader for my tilt

Hello,
Sorry if this question seems silly, but is there any way i can connect a card reader for the xD format to my phone. I have looked for adapter, and could find none. I looked for reader that are bluetooth enabled, but it looks like they only act as a dongle. So i guess my question is can i get an adapter that will alow me to plus a USB device (a card reader) into my phone. Is there a better way to do it?
Thank you

Would something link this work??

I don't believe Windows Mobile allows the connection of a removeable storage device through USB.

Next best thing might be to get a MicroSD card reader that has a USB port on it. Then simply plug the MicroSD into your Kaiser, and into the adapter when you wish to pull files from other sources.
SanDisk has such a device called the MicroMate.

I am sorry, it seems i wasnt clear enough in what i wanted to do. I have a camera that takes an xD card. I would like to get the pictures from the camera to the phone without need a computer. I know i can do that if the camera took SD cards, I can get microSD card with SD adpters. My question is there any way i can do that or something similar to it with an xD card.
Thanks again

silver7x said:
I am sorry, it seems i wasnt clear enough in what i wanted to do. I have a camera that takes an xD card. I would like to get the pictures from the camera to the phone without need a computer. I know i can do that if the camera took SD cards, I can get microSD card with SD adpters. My question is there any way i can do that or something similar to it with an xD card.
Thanks again
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I googled about a bit, and the only adapter I could find for XD cards was to Compact Flash. Maybe buy a new digital camera that uses MicroSD?

yeah i saw that same reader, and i looked into a different camera, but i really like the Olympus cameras, and they only take xD

never seen such a device maybe because an converter would be pretty fragile as microSD is tiny compared to XD

Well other solution is try to get a micro sd card converter to XD card. I mean the XD card adapter that you can put your micro sd card inside and place it on your camera to take a pic. This is what I do on my camera, but I am using a sd card camera.

Yup, Thought about that, looked everywhere, and it looks like they just dont make it. i think it has something to do with who owns the IP on the xD card (Fuji, I think) and who owns it on the SD card (Sandisk I think).

Can the Advantage use a card reader?

I'm interested in using the Advantage to have as a mini laptop/phone access/gps and camera card backup device.
As such it would be spot on, small enough to fit in my rucksack but usable in the field.
But can you use a USB or other card reader to backup CF cards to the 8/16gb internal memory?
Edit: Just going to change me request, to who has tried a card reader? As i know it "should" work with one but who has?

Works fine on mine, using a cheap sd card reader.

Its CF cards i'm interested in. So i can back up my SLR images to the 8gb internal drive. Do you know if those work?

Well, I said cheap SD reader, but it's actually one of those multi card readers, and it has a CF slot as well. I don't use CF cards so can't test that, but the Athena reads SD, MMC and Sony Pro Duo cards through it fine, so I have no reason to believe that CF cards won't work.

Hokum said:
Its CF cards i'm interested in. So i can back up my SLR images to the 8gb internal drive. Do you know if those work?
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Just read your post so whipped out the 4 in 1 cable and cheapie 25 in 1 card
reader and yes it sees the SD card NO it will not read the 2 gb CF
card from my Axim51v.

bigtsr said:
Just read your post so whipped out the 4 in 1 cable and cheapie 25 in 1 card
reader and yes it sees the SD card NO it will not read the 2 gb CF
card from my Axim51v.
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I wonder if it could be that the CF cards sucks more power, then if we use a card reader with an external power source, do you think that would work?
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Ouch, hmm that could be a killer for me. Thanks for looking though its most appreciated.

Well I used the same reader and CF on my host pc and it works fine.
It's either a power issue or because the 7501 doesn't have a driver
relating to the reading of CFs.

The 7501 should read CF cards just fine - it's more likely a power issue or a FAT issue. I've just tested a few of my cards and found something interesting (I'm using the Dopod U1000) - the Athena will only read one external volume at a time. This was tested with a 4GB Sandisk M2 card with Memory Stick adapter, 2GB Transcend SD (SDIO1.0) card, and 1GB Transcend CF card, through two different multi-card readers, and with both the 4-in-1 cable and dock. All of the cards could be read, but only one at a time. A soft reset was also occasionally required.
This was surprising to me, because I once attached three FAT32 external HDDs to a Pocket Loox 720, and damn me if it didn't mount and read all three. Me being the curious type, I put both card readers through a powered hub and attached that to the Athena - same thing, only one card from one card reader could be read at any one time. I tried the same experiment on my Loox, and it also mounted only one card per card reader, but both card readers could be used at the same time. Just for fun, I added a usb flash drive and an independently powered 40GB FAT32 desktop drive in an external case, both mounted and could be read as well - I had Hard Disk 1 through 4 in File Explorer. At a guess, I'd say the one external volume limit is a problem with the Athena's mass storage driver, or something in the registry.
I also tried an 8GB Seagate ST1.2 CF Microdrive which couldn't be read in any configuration, with or without independent power to the card readers - as this card requires much more power than flash based CF, I'm not too surprised. I have an 8GB CF at home I'll try out later.

hishamh said:
The 7501 should read CF cards just fine - it's more likely a power issue or a FAT issue. I've just tested a few of my cards and found something interesting (I'm using the Dopod U1000) - the Athena will only read one external volume at a time. This was tested with a 4GB Sandisk M2 card with Memory Stick adapter, 2GB Transcend SD (SDIO1.0) card, and 1GB Transcend CF card, through two different multi-card readers, and with both the 4-in-1 cable and dock. All of the cards could be read, but only one at a time. A soft reset was also occasionally required.
This was surprising to me, because I once attached three FAT32 external HDDs to a Pocket Loox 720, and damn me if it didn't mount and read all three. Me being the curious type, I put both card readers through a powered hub and attached that to the Athena - same thing, only one card from one card reader could be read at any one time. I tried the same experiment on my Loox, and it also mounted only one card per card reader, but both card readers could be used at the same time. Just for fun, I added a usb flash drive and an independently powered 40GB FAT32 desktop drive in an external case, both mounted and could be read as well - I had Hard Disk 1 through 4 in File Explorer. At a guess, I'd say the one external volume limit is a problem with the Athena's mass storage driver, or something in the registry.
I also tried an 8GB Seagate ST1.2 CF Microdrive which couldn't be read in any configuration, with or without independent power to the card readers - as this card requires much more power than flash based CF, I'm not too surprised. I have an 8GB CF at home I'll try out later.
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Great discovery. Thanks!

hishamh said:
I have an 8GB CF at home I'll try out later.
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I've tried this card with both my card readers - it works just fine. I don't know what's going on with bigtsr's card, but my (flash-based) CF cards all appear to work.

Transfering SDHC Content to Touch HD

Guys,
I'm soon going on a trip to the Lake District (UK National Park) and will be doing a lot of climbing/hiking/walking.
Whilst I am at the summits of certain 'Fells' I will be taking photo's with my Digital Camera.
At that point I want to transfer Photo's from the Camera to the Phone and send them directly from the Phone.
Problems I need to overcome:-
The Camera uses SDHC.
The Phone uses MicroSD.
Apart from the Phone there is no power source.
What do you think is the best way to transfer the Photo's to the Phone so that I can then send them over 3G?
Thanks in advance.

Why not use a Micro sd in a Micro SD to SD adaptor, that way you are storing the camera images direct to a micro SD card and can then just put that in your phone to send the images

alanwesty said:
Why not use a Micro sd in a Micro SD to SD adaptor, that way you are storing the camera images direct to a micro SD card and can then just put that in your phone to send the images
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The camera will not take an adapter.
Don't forget I won't have the option of using a computer.

Why will the camera not take an adaptor I have used these adaptors ina PC and they work just the same as if you had put an ordinary SD card in.

alanwesty said:
Why will the camera not take an adaptor I have used these adaptors ina PC and they work just the same as if you had put an ordinary SD card in.
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Can you show me which adapter will connect directly to a camera WITHOUT the need for a PC.
Surely you need the PC to transfer the data across?

You can get SD adaptors that are just the same size as an ordinary SD card with a slot in the end to fit a Micro Sd card. This means that they fit anywhere a SD card fits and appear like a SD card to the device they are fitted to. A search on google for "sd adaptor" will find one.

alanwesty said:
You can get SD adaptors that are just the same size as an ordinary SD card with a slot in the end to fit a Micro Sd card. This means that they fit anywhere a SD card fits and appear like a SD card to the device they are fitted to. A search on google for "sd adaptor" will find one.
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Yes but that would mean taking the photo's DIRECTLY onto the MicroSD Card.
I use high speed burst mode with my camera and that requires a fast SDHC Class 6 16GB Card.
You can not get a 16GB Class 6 MicroSD.
Although some will be released very soon the difference in price is quite high.
I'm trying to overcome having to chop and change cards between camera & Phone.
I am seeking a lead or something on this vein for transferring the data across.

Surely you're going to have to make some kind of sacrafice at some stage, either:
- Shoot on Class 2 MicroSD (via SD Adapter)
- Take laptop/netbook along
- Only other viable option is some kind of device that replicates SD to MicroSD without a PC - I don't think it exists.
You sound like your probably using a DSLR, have you thought about the time it will take to tranfer each photo over 3G, even assuming you can get 3G reception in the Lake District browsing the net on mine can be frustrating enough never mind uploading 4Mb photo's.
Oh and the power issue is pretty big! Have you got a windup/solar charger or a shed load of spare batteries?
Good luck though - it's a worthy cause

foaf said:
Surely you're going to have to make some kind of sacrafice at some stage, either:
- Shoot on Class 2 MicroSD (via SD Adapter)
- Take laptop/netbook along
- Only other viable option is some kind of device that replicates SD to MicroSD without a PC - I don't think it exists.
You sound like your probably using a DSLR, have you thought about the time it will take to tranfer each photo over 3G, even assuming you can get 3G reception in the Lake District browsing the net on mine can be frustrating enough never mind uploading 4Mb photo's.
Oh and the power issue is pretty big! Have you got a windup/solar charger or a shed load of spare batteries?
Good luck though - it's a worthy cause
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Thanks for the feedback.
Yes, I'm shooting with a couple of cameras (Big Nikon D2Xs & a small semi-pro Panasonic LX3).
The Nikon though uses CFII for storage and I aim to use this camera with it's heavy zoom lens at the foot of the fells.
The LX3 will be going up with me to the top this time as I've done the Nikon before (and what a weight it was).
The last time I had all my gear... Laptop, Mobile 3G, Solar Charger, etc. etc.
This time however I'm trying something different and want to go as light as possible.
I've got the new Proporta portable charger and this will give my Phone plenty of charge.
The LX3 has two spare batteries so that's not going to be an issue.
I did think about using a mobile hard drive like the Archos AV700 (which I have).
It requires no power source using cable alone and has USB Host.
However, it would mean more weight and cables etc.
I just wondered if there were another simple way I could achieve my aim.
I intend to transfer around 3 to 6 pics and appreciate what you say on the speed issue (agree fully) but I want to complete the task which will help in the review I end up writing.

Hi Beards,
I tried but don't have all the right cables to prove it.
I thought the USB on the HD would also behave as a master for storage - so I thought I could connect a USB to a SD converter and that would be the solution. BUT, I don't have a USB female-female connector. I do have a micro USB to USB cable and a USB SD convertor. My aim was to plug it all in and try - Sorry.
Maybe this will work for you with the SD card appearing (hopefully) as storagecard2 but I need the extra cable to prove it.
Only other issue I can think of is the pictures will be big so no MMS transfer will be possible. Only email attachments and then I think there might also be a limit.
Have a great trip !

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Hi Beards,
I tried but don't have all the right cables to prove it.
I thought the USB on the HD would also behave as a master for storage - so I thought I could connect a USB to a SD converter and that would be the solution. BUT, I don't have a USB female-female connector. I do have a micro USB to USB cable and a USB SD convertor. My aim was to plug it all in and try - Sorry.
Maybe this will work for you with the SD card appearing (hopefully) as storagecard2 but I need the extra cable to prove it.
Only other issue I can think of is the pictures will be big so no MMS transfer will be possible. Only email attachments and then I think there might also be a limit.
Have a great trip !
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Hi Dave,
Nice speaking with you again.
Thanks for the heads up, this sounds promising.
I've got a couple of weeks to try and sort it out so if you come across anything suitable do please let me know.
Been far too busy in theatre lately. This trip will make a perfect break.

Why not just use the camera's 50mb internal memory to copy from your cheap high speed SDHC card to the micro SD card in SD adaptor combination already suggested? Since you're only talking abut 3 or 4 photos it shouldn't be a great hardship, and you get to shoot the way you like.

shuflie said:
Why not just use the camera's 50mb internal memory to copy from your cheap high speed SDHC card to the micro SD card in SD adaptor combination already suggested? Since you're only talking abut 3 or 4 photos it shouldn't be a great hardship, and you get to shoot the way you like.
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I'm not taking 3 to 4 shots shuflie.... I'll be 'transferring' 3 to 4 shots to the Phone.
I will be taking around three hundred odd shots in total. I've then got to pick which will then be transferred to the phone.
It's an interesting concept though....
The MicroSD to SD Adapter keeps cropping up in topic here. So on basis this needs to be investigated further.
Edit:
I have just checked the Manual on the LX3 and it would appear this procedure can be done.
According to the Manual I can copy data from an SDHC card to Internal Memory and vice-versa.
So.... all I would need to do is:-
1. Pick from which shots require transferring.
2. Transfer them into Internal Memory.
3. Take out the SDHC Card with all the photos on.
4. Insert the SD Adapter with MicroSD card.
5. Transfer the selected Internal Memory shots on to the MicroSD card.
6. Take out the Adapter and MicroSD card from the camera and remove the MicroSD from the SD Adapter.
7. Insert the MicroSD card into the Phone and temporarily place in internal memory.
8. Take out the MicroSD card and replace with the correct storage MicroSD card.
9. On the Phone, transfer the shots from Internal Memory to the Storage card.
10. Send the shots over 3G.
Phew........ but at least it should work.

DSLR image sending via Touch HD
Hi Beards
I am a news photographer and do exactly this all the time.
There are sacrifices that pretty much have to be made.. you can't do everything you want without power and a laptop / or loads of extra kit.
The sacrifice is basically you cant shoot on class 6 cards you are stuck with the speed of the microSD. However.. we shoot riots, news, entertainment, etc in RAW mode on a Canon DSLR and unless we hammer it and motordrive loads of shots we dont have any problem with the slow microSD cards from SanDisk. I'm not sure what you plan to burst shoot but i would suspect if it serves us ok doing breaking news it should serve you ok up in the countryside. (unless you are doing motorsports or something )
Our workflow is this..
We shoot RAW images on the Canon EOS1D mk II on a SanDiskc 8bg microSD card in a SanDisk SD card adaptor.
We put the microSD card into the touch HD and use an application called Phojo http://www.idruna.com to extract the jpeg image from the raw file and email or FTP the image from our phone. Phojo has a lot of pro features that you may or may not need.. although it is commercial software so may not be something you want to invest in.
Of course shooting JPEG should mean you can shoot even quicker as the files are less than half the size of the raw images and you dont need Phojo to do the extracting of files. You can of course use the touchHD's built in email software then to send them by email if you wish. We recomment Phojo however because it is specifically designed for this application.
There are obviously other solutions.. you can get battery powered tiny USB transfer devices (belkin used to make one) that will transfer the content of one usb device (card reader / card) to another. However we havent had much success with these and they are fiddly.
Your needs match very much what press photographers do every day. All the ones i know do it by using the microSD adaptor / Phojo method (altho most dont shoot RAW they shoot JPEG) The ones who dont use the microSD method are either using a wifi transmitter made by canon or nikon on their camera and Phojo or they are using a PDA/Phone that supports USB host or SD cards.
Hopefully this helps
kind regards
Edward
Equinox Features
http://www.newspics.com

Newspics, that's really interesting. Great to see how the pro's do it.
I feel like there sould be camera's with built in capabilities to upload pics by now. Or at least Bluetooth 3.0 between the phone and the camera. Live Mesh does a pretty good job for me for syncing pics to my PC, if only it could sync between Camera, Phone and PC.

If you will have no access to a power supply how are you going to keep your phone charged?

Card reader through USB adapter

Picked up the adapter at Best Buy. One of the main reasons I need it for is shooting photos and then transferring a few of those to the GT.
Got home and took the card out of the camera and plugged in my San Disk card reader into the USB. It doesn't even recognize it. I need to find a way to get the photos from the camera into the Tab.
Anybody know any tricks I may be doing wrong or will it just not work?

Hmm, that's strange because my USB adapter worked with every USB stick and memory card reader I tried it with. Does yours work with any USB storage devices?

Do you have a PC? As a temporary measure you could use ES File Explorer (Estrong) to browse the pics on shared folder and copy them to your Tab.
Sent from my HTC Desire

seagull my thing is I have to cover events and shoot with a camera. From that event I was going to use Galaxy Tab and Sprint portable Mifi to upload stories and a few photos directly from event. But if the San Disk reader (with camera disk inserted) isn't going to read the card reader I'm a tough situation.

What format are the sd cards in. I don't know if it will affect it, but I know the USB adapter only reads flash drives in FAT32 format.

This was covered in another forum. The San Disk card have a file preinstalled on them that must be read which the galaxy cannot read. Get any card other than San Disk and you should be fine.

jkhawk said:
Picked up the adapter at Best Buy. One of the main reasons I need it for is shooting photos and then transferring a few of those to the GT.
Got home and took the card out of the camera and plugged in my San Disk card reader into the USB. It doesn't even recognize it. I need to find a way to get the photos from the camera into the Tab.
Anybody know any tricks I may be doing wrong or will it just not work?
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Are you running the Bonsai ROM by any chance? The Bonsai kernels apparently completely hosed up USB host support.
I've had no problems with the following combo:
Rosewill SDHC reader
Transcend SDHC card (16 GB)
Pentax K-5 (had to put it into JPEG mode for the Tab to be able to do anything with the files of course. But it could see/copy DNGs just not do anything with them.)