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answering machine software???

hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??

cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..

Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
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Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.

OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?

OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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SAP connection from Ameo to another Phone

Bit of a noob question here, but is there a way to use SAP to utilise my cellphone's SIM contacts and network so that when I'm indoors I can text and call on the AMEO and then disconnect when I'm out and about. Currently I have to SIM swap as I don't like making calls on the Ameo in public.
Basically I want my Ameo to act a bit like a RSAP car kit....utilizing my phone's SIM list and transmitter when needed. This would not only be very convenient but would I think make the Ameo's battery last a hell of a lot longer as in my experience GSM/3G drains a lot more power than BT.
could the Ameo do this?
Or is it possible to develop a programme to do this?
I trust that someone out there knows.....
(Both handsets support SAP)

is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.

leoni1980 said:
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
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I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)

apd said:
I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.

leoni1980 said:
That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.

it was i who created that post about using a SAP profile as a remote phone...
and not a single person chimed in then...
i have done soem extensive research on this subject...
i have found that you need teh development kit for a sim access server (as our phone already has a license)
basicly if someone has a nice car (dump the os) =p
but if we dont have as im access server its not possible...
if someone can get their hands on a sim access server this could very well be a possibility

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SAP? You mean the software SAP? T0I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
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No sap in this case means sim access profile. It is the same protocol used by bluetooth car kits which basically allows you to remotely view your contacts and call them or text them remotely. Such a utility would i think be brilliant with the ameo as one could connect to, say a nokia n95 and use its transmitter and phonebook whilst at work or static to make and receive calls and browse the internet, then disconnect when out and about. This would be worlds apart from using a bluetooth headset i think.

voice routing?

Hello Dev. forum,
this is my first posting in this forum, (sounds advanced for me )!
oh well iam wondering if there is already an app. that routes the calls (speech) while the phone is connected to the PC thu USB (activesync) to the PC's Audio device and vice versa from the mic on PC to mobile?
iam aiming to be able to answer calls exactly like in skype on PC and communicate using my PC audio device! without needing to get the mobile out of the docking station!
if it doesnt exist, do you think its feasible? could be a good start for me
have fun

if the bluetooth on the pc support it the pc can be used as a bluetooth handsfree headset for the phone

hey mate, i agree with Rudegar, a friend of mine, uses some similar sort of thing. And, at the end of the day, Feasibility stands nowhere for Developers.
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Using your PPC as a wireless headset for PC possible??

I've been scouring google trying to look for something that works like this:
1) ALL audio from your computer is streamed to your PPC.
AND
2) You can use your PPC as a wireless mic for your computer.
In essence it'll work as a wireless voice communicator with your laptop. Is there anyway to do this? I've tried using bluetooth, but the computer software I have wouldn't allow me to use my phone as a 'headset' only to transfer files and create a DUN. So if anyone know of any computer software or PPC software that would help me achieve this, it would be greatly appreciated. It could be through BT, WiFi or Data. I just need something that works.
My purpose for this is that I like to play games, listen to music, and even voice chat (ventrilo) and I would like to be able to still hear what's going on on my computer while I'm grabbing a glass of water or taking a bio-break.
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Found a method that works, but it in very poor quality. First thing is to install Skype .18 beta onto your phone (only version that works on the Titan) and to install Skype on your computer also. You will need to create 2 accounts for both the phone Skype & PC Skype. Now configure your computer Skype to reroute all audio to go through the microphone input. Call either devices from the other device and initiate voice chat. You should be able to hear your computer from your phone, but in very low/poor quality. When you speak into the phone you can hear yourself on your computer. A headset is suggested.
This is what I found to work so far, still trying to search for a better way of doing this. I've been able to stream quality music from the computer and voice to the computer, but never both at the same time yet.
Here's link to Skype .18 beta:
http://smarthacks.com/wp-content/skype/SkypeForPocketPC-2.2.0.18-Beta.cab

I'd like to know if it's possible as well...for some reason my speakers arent being recognized by windows (i freaking hate MS!!) so it'd be nice to use BT to use my phone as speakers (that and so i could wander around the house)

if it support audio gateway it could work of cause
to enable it one would have to quit the game
and change pref'd device in audio settings in pc
control panel and restart the game

audio gateway would mean to go through BT. I'm sure the titan is able but its the bt software on the computer end that's crappy (got my bt adapter for $4). I'm looking for alternatives if possible.

i paid a few pretty pennies for my BT device (it wasn't overly expensive, it was a good deal at the time), and it came with a disc that had blue soleil on it. Well, it kept telling me i needed to register or somthing, but wouldnt let me. So i got rid of it. I bet B.Soleil would work though, maybe i'll dig it back up.
found all of my original documentation and disks with B.S. on it. They gave me a trial version. I paid for a usb dongle with blue tooth and B.S. gave me an eval copy. Okay, no wonder people hack/crack stuff. Idiots like that. I hope they die in a fire.

lol yea i think mine is blue soleil too, not sure if its a full copy or eval copy. all i know is its crap and won't let me do what i want.

yeah, i smashed my blue soliel disk out of anger. i tried it first, and it wouldnt let me stream music to my headset or my phone, so whatever. I dont even need that program to transfer files, i have BT drivers on my computer already.

well if you do manage to find a working BT software be sure to share ;D

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2) You can use your PPC as a wireless mic for your computer.
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I'd made a thread about how I'd wanted to dev, or asking if anyone knew of a prog to do this. What s/w d'ya know of/recommend?

Total_Lag said:
I've been scouring google trying to look for something that works like this:
1) ALL audio from your computer is streamed to your PPC.
AND
2) You can use your PPC as a wireless mic for your computer.
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he's LOOKING for an app that does it.

I'm trying to look into a A2DP server solution, though I doubt it's possible for the PPC to 'serve' audio to the computer.

Anyone know the progress of bluetooth?

Anyone know how the progress of bluetooth development is going? I'm with my phone and a couple of my mates are going crazy about not being able to send bluetooth files. Personally i find it plain silly that im not able to send/receive via bluetooth, its just stupid. Its 2009!!!

Unfortunatly there is none that I am aware of. There was a program in the market that was something about bluetooth filetransfer but I didn't want to spend the money on it. The are a few hurdles to be jumped before that is a possibility like a built in file browser and also adding the correct profiles. Not a first in the world of cell phones. The iPhone is unable to do it. I find it more funny that that phone is basically a music phone and can't do bluetooth stereo. I am sure maybe there will be advancements towards that maybe with Android 2.0 but probably not much will be able to be done thru 3rd party developers till more options are built into the OS itself.